Report: Anti-Government "Patriot" Groups Are Multiplying, and Texas is Leading the Way

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From Dallas City Troop's website
The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate and extremist groups in the United States, has found "stunning" growth in what they call the "anti-government patriot movement," conspiracy groups whose primary focus is opposing the federal government. And much of that growth has been here.

Texas now has 76 such active groups, the SPLC reports, second only to Michigan. The Texas groups include seven armed militias, including one in the Dallas area, Carrollton's Dallas City Troop.

According to a new SPLC report, several factors are contributing to the uptick, including the still-terrible economy; the prospect of another four years of the Obama administration; "a proliferation of demonizing conspiracy theories"; and the way many groups have successfully played on fears of "non-white immigration." The Austin-based Alex Jones outfit InfoWars is cited by many patriot groups as an inspiration or a factual authority for various claims about the tyranny of the feds.

The SPLC has tracked an astounding growth of 755 percent among patriot groups since 2008. And since 2000 or so, they say, U.S. hate and extremist groups as a whole seem to be growing substantially. Anti-gay groups, anti-Muslim ones, "sovereign" citizen groups -- who don't believe they're obligated to pay taxes or follow U.S. laws -- and even the Ku Klux Klan, long considered somewhat irrelevant, have all seen growth in the past year.

Only "nativist extremist groups," who the SPLC says "harass and confront" undocumented immigrants, have seen their numbers fall dramatically. The SPLC believes that decrease may be due in part to the fact that their agenda has been co-opted by a number of state legislatures, including Alabama and Arizona.

Mark Potok of the SPLC, who authored the report, told the New York Times that as a whole, anti-government groups aren't solely a right-wing phenomenon. ""They represent both a kind of right-wing populist rage and a left-wing populist rage that has gotten all mixed up in anger toward the government," he told the paper. (The Occupy movement isn't listed because the SPLC doesn't consider its members to be extremists, he said.)

Patriot organizations, too, can't be characterized as either racist or hate groups, the center says. Instead, their distrust of the federal government takes many forms. In Texas, the groups listed by the SPLC range from the mild to the militant. On one end there are political action organizations like Get Out Of Our House, which has a Dallas chapter and describes itself as a non-partisan attempt to replace all 435 members of the U.S. House of Representatives and "get the money out of politics."

But there are also groups like the now-infamous Republic of Texas, a secessionist organization that became well-known after an armed stand-off between the group's founder, Richard McLaren, and the feds back in 1997. It's quietly remained active since, and still insists that Texas can't properly be considered as part of the U.S.

Texas also maintains a substantial presence on sites like Well-Regulated American Militias, a sort of dating site for those wishing to find like-minded patriots for "small unit light infantry combat training." One group, the Texas Militia, is conducting rifle training this coming weekend in Conroe, open to "rifle owning patriotic USA citizens." Their site explicitly insists they aren't racist, with "Black, Hispanic and Jewish members besides White Christian members."

We emailed the Dallas City Troop to see how they feel about being classified as an extremist group. An unnamed spokesperson emailed back several hours later with a link to a scathing Harper's article from 2000 that criticizes the SPLC's fundraising and calls its solicitations for cash "flagrantly misleading." It had been reprinted on a far-right website called American Patrol. The spokesperson added: "No further comment is necessary."

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weshaw
weshaw

People that are awake and aware of the tyrannical leadership and destruction of our Constitution/Bill of Rights. ALL PEOPLE should  be involved in groups that are STANDING UP FOR THE CONSTITUTION/BILL OF RIGHTS and BE READY to DEFEND THEM SHOULD BE NECESSARY. Our once great nation in being DESTROYED by our currents leaders. It's time to prepare yourself cause time is burning. obama is destroying America and will sign this Nation over to the UN in a heart beat. He HATES AMERICA. HIS ACTIONS HAVE PROVEN SO....

monkeypuncher
monkeypuncher

The Southern Poverty Law Center has been known to attack groups the Democrat party is opposed to. Hell, even Mark Potok has a mural of Che Guevara on his living room wall. Che of course was a communist revolutionary who murdered hundreds of homosexuals in Cuba.


In any case, patriot groups, especially constitutional militias, are not "Anti Government".


They are pro constitution and anti tyranny. They support their local and state governments, they take part in elections, and they form relationships with local peace officers.


Unless the Federal Government is anti constitution and pro tyranny, I reckon this anti government label is nothing less than communist propaganda.

AverageAmerican
AverageAmerican

Southern Poverty Law Center?!?  Really?  What a joke...

mr.kjdula
mr.kjdula

The title of the report should have read, Report: Patriot Groups Slandered as "Anti-Government" Are Multiplying, and Texas is Leading the Way.

We should all be proud of Texas as a leader in implementing our 2nd ammendment (A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)

Regulator
Regulator

First of all, the SPLC aka; Southern Perversion Liberal Communists, are actually the propaganda wing of the American Communist Party. Anybody that doesn't fall into their category of what a patriot group really is, is branded and demonized. This is right out of the Communist playbook. We are NOT anti-government. Mark Potok is an ill informed moron.We are oathkeepers, unlike the usurper in the White House. We all took a SACRED oath to protect and defend the US Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Get it straight, you morons. Want to annoy a Communist? Join your friendly neighborhood militias. We're your neighbors. RegulatorUse the signup link below if you believe in freedom. If not, we'll chew you up and spit you out like the vomit you are.http://wramsite.com/main/autho...

Regulator
Regulator

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Remryan
Remryan

http://www.splcinfo.com/  and also search for Morris Dees, interesting information. Is the SPLC itself a hate group? I know people who have been wrongfully targeted by them. I pray America can come together instead of succumbing to these divide and conquer tactics.

Dr. Ronald Cutburth
Dr. Ronald Cutburth

The SPLC could be classified as an unAmerican subversive organization. In the last hate group list I read they counted the KKK 100 times distorting the numbers. They also did not list the Black Panther Party. They specifically noted they did not list them because the white people caused that problem. That is subversive based on any dictionary. There were no Muslim hate groups listed though the Muslims have many military training posts across America. The Muslims are very clear that follow the Quran. They must kill all Jews and Christians. So that is a hate group by any definition that is perpetual as it follows the 1500 year hold Quran. The SPLC also publishes an "Intelligence" magazine by that name. Go read the articles. they are carefully designed to stir hate among blacks against whites. Thus when they claim it is an itelligence magazine to give it false credibility, this is dangerous to America.  When the SPLC deliberately protect the Black Panthers and the Muslims who want to kill white Christians this is their threat to America's national security. 

Remryan
Remryan

This article is based on so many false assumptions and stereotypes it's disgusting. I encourage everyone to read up on WRAM, listen to interviews with Clay(ton) Douglas, Rick Lite and their own research. A "dating site"? Puleeeeze. It's a "networking" group and the people are wonderful, not biased, not Rambo's and fully cooperative with the government despite their protests against non-Constitutional laws and policies.

primi timpano
primi timpano

 I believe it was George Washington as commander-in-chief of the Continental army and his subordinate generals of the same Army who, with the necessary help of the French (its navy in particular), drove the British out of the United States.  This Army was formed under the auspices of the Second Continental Congress. The Army itself was often augmented by militias from the various states/colonies.  As such they remained under political control of their respective political subdivisions, though while in active service was under the command of Washington per his control of the Army.

The difficulties in funding, training, organizing and commanding soldiers contributed by the the state militias were one of many reasons the Founders discarded the unworkable Articles of Confederation (which denied the national government the ways and means to operate effectively) and adopted the more federalist Constitution; it was just too difficult fashioning and funding political compromises with respect to every single issue facing the Congress.  Upon the adoption of the Constitution the militias were effectively disbanded and subsumed by what became our country's national Army.

If according to "informed opinion" the current analogue for the national enemy that was the british in Washington's time is in fact today's national government, a status seemingly assigned on the basis of "informed opinion's' characterization of the government as "corrupt and ineffective," then his readers are left with the irony that any attempt to remedy these supposed flaws through military acts performed by self appointed "patriot" militias constitute acts of Treason, namely the levying of war against the United States (please read Article III, Section 3.  So, a "patriot's" attempted defense our Constitution through acts of War, whether conducted individually or the faintest imprimatur of a militia, no matter whether the "militia" in fact or imagination constitutes a militia referenced in the Second Amendment.

I also suggest a close reading of Article !, sections 11, 15 and 16, which reserve to Congress the right to control Militias--presumably even those established by and comprised of "Patriots," though I find nothing in the Constitution limiting such participation to"Patriots."  Likewise Article II, Section 2, which places Militias (yours too, if it really is a Militia) under the control and at the disposal of the president.

So all you modern Minutemen out there, please do not shirk your constitutional obligations.  No making War, on the corrupt government or otherwise, without first getting permission from Congress.  Obey Congress, the president and the miltary chain of command, and certainly refrain from acts of war against the United States, even if such acts are directed at a government you in your unelected wisdom deem to be illegitimate because you find it to be corrupt and ineffective.  And remember, if your well regulated Militia ever manages to become "effective," or even marginally competent, any acts of war against our corrupt and ineffective government makes you a traitor, not a "patriot."

Richard R
Richard R

Since 90% of Americans are asleep, we patriots are necessary to educate them while retaining our rights of free speech (repealed by Obama 4-12). The legislation, H.R. 347,  now allows Secret Service agents (when they aren't buying hookers) to decide where and when you have the right to speak freely. But all you skeptics knew about this right? How about how Obama decided he'd give himself the right to kill or indefinitely detain anyone, including American citizens; Section 1031 of the National Defense Authorization Act — which many contend gives the federal government new powers to arrest American citizens without charge. And you skeptics knew about this one too right? The US government hasn't obeyed the Constitution in over 90 years and America is technically communist and has been for decades. Medicare, welfare, medicaid, socialist security, bailouts, and the income tax are ALL unconstitutional and should be phased out slowly as Ron Paul has plans to do. Problem is the GOP is rigging the primaries (search on Youtube for dozens of videos on it) and can rig any election via the Diebold machines. Google it to see videos on Youtube. We just want to be left alone and few patriots have any inkling of taking over the government, but are armed merely to be left alone, until the liberals try to give away our rights to the UN which will ATTEMPT to strip us of our guns. THAT will NOT be tolerated. An armed man is a citizen; a disarmed man is a subject. Since inflation is a tax though most of you have realized that gas is expensive but few of you know its because the Military Industrial complex runs our foreign policy through wars (with no cost oversight) it has our puppet presidents declare merely to make it money and no other reason other than controlling oil infrastructure overseas. Watch Eisenhower's farewell speech on Youtube about the MIC. Gas is expensive because our money is quickly becoming worthless and that is the case because our government is out of control and in bed (whether left or right) with big business in MANY, MANY industries. That means government supported monopolies, prohibitions (which cause crime and corruption) and ineffectiveness in thousands of areas, which is why America is broke. Oh and voting is unlikely to produce any meaningful change as the media (which controls the sheeples minds) and candidate puppets are controlled by big (and One-World) government elements who want the corruption to continue unabated. That's why the media both ignores and attacks Ron Paul since he'd seek to reduce the size, cost and intrusiveness of government to one thousandth its current size, thus enabling freedom, peace and prosperity again for the people. Want an education in what's REALLY going on? Watch some Ron Paul videos on youtube! RON PAUL 2012!!!

William Keith Beaty
William Keith Beaty

I'll take my chances with the Anti-Government Patriots ANY DAY! This is real homeland security! An why would the feds or these left wing idiots at SPLC give a crap unless they are worried About the PATRIOTS being a threat to them and so you ask why would these groups be considered a threat to anyone? hmmmmm! The militias ARE the PATRIOTS - I'm not sure how to classify THE SPLC and we already know the liberals idiots now in Washington are OUT TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY! SO who is the bad guy here?    AND ANOTHER QUESTION WHY IS THIS LISTED IN THE CRIME SECTION!  WHAT HAPPENED TO THE "WELL ARMED MILITIA THING?" SHOULD THE HEADLINE NOT BE TEXAS TAKE LEAD ON HOMELAND SECURITY OR SOMETHING POSITIVE LIKE THAT?

Sweetroller56
Sweetroller56

darn proud to be with some of the 'hate' groups they list. Nothing more than left wing propagada against anyone/group who believes in the rule of law and our constitution!

Mmashburn817
Mmashburn817

Militia: group of citizens trained and armed to form a last line of defense against all who try to take our lives or freedom that includes the govt. if the ever turn against the people

Lonestranger
Lonestranger

Sounds to me that these militia group are really just middle aged white men longing to be gang bangers. Tell them to just get a motorcycle and join the Banditos. They can still keep their guns. I'm sure the Banditos would love the extra firepower.

primi timpano
primi timpano

I thought Texas quit this shit with Davey Crockett.  I suggest these young patriots surgically strike a cartel in secret, more the Wild Bunch than Mission Impossible. Alas, I will bet on the cartel but it will be the best CNN moments since Aaron Burr.

Rumpunch
Rumpunch

I always find it interesting that the SPLC continues fight stereotyping by stereotyping.  While not every minority is a gang member and vice versa, the same goes for militia and hate groups.

As some of the previous comments have noted, the American revolution would have turned out quite a bit different without militia forces.  Currently, with spending cuts at the Federal, State and local levels, a certain amount of responsibility falls back on the citizens.  Too often, the second amendment is used on both sides as only the right to own guns.  It is also the responsibility to use those guns safely and effectively.   Without constant training, the gun is at best useless.

Don't label all people and groups that prepare themselves for the absence of normal security (food supply, backup power and personal protection) as extremist.  The dividing line between the groups is whether or not they hope to use what they have prepared.

Albert
Albert

As government grows and becomes more intrusive and controlling, anti-government groups will grow as well.

Will R
Will R

Meh, they'll morph back into pro-government authoritarians as soon as one of their boys is back in the White House, just like they did when George II succeeded Clinton. 

Parvomon
Parvomon

They'll get no respect from the left until they form a mob and wreck other people's stuff.

Terrycart
Terrycart

Thank god, you are staying in US, you guys can give it a shot if you brand yourself as 'Patriot' to get doings like this in some other countries. It is not funny, frankly.

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall

"Carrolton's Dallas City Troop."  Should this be Carrollton?  Is this a typo or a fictitious city provided by  SPLC 

Duddly
Duddly

These guys just want to play Army without ever having to actually serve. 

Celebrate Divershitty
Celebrate Divershitty

Bleeding-heart crap propaganda from the "divershitty for thee but not for me" Tribe Members at the $PLC, to be consumed by naive reality-ignoring white-guilt libtard "progressives" and "advocacy journalists".

RTGolden
RTGolden

I'm not sure about this story or these comments.

As prior military, I have a pretty well-grounded disbelief in the 'private militia' concept.  Our military, through our elected representatives, is answerable, in some fashion to the people of this nation.  That is the way it should be.  A private militia is too reminiscent of Mogadishu circa 1991-1995, and that is a scary thought.

On the other hand, these people have the same exact right as anyone else to call themselves patriots.  They have the same right to love and wave the flag.  By their website, admittedly not an authoritative source, they are mostly ex-military, which means they have certainly earned the right to wave the flag.  I don't think they're trying to deny anyone else the same right.

I saw nothing hateful on the Dallas City Troops' website to indicate a racist or hateful tone with that group.  For membership, it clearly states that anyone eligible to serve in the US Military is eligible to join their little group.  As far as I know, the US Military welcomes anyone of any race, religion, creed or color.

Whoa
Whoa

Dude...you chew on vomit?  That explains a lot.

Antonietta Diaz
Antonietta Diaz

 You bet it's, their base corporation is from England, seems that England after all still can't get over with the fact that their ass were kick ones... must be kick another.lol  The SPLC is a group dedicated in totally to destroy the USA within, and it's doing it, obma and his administration has been put there for the same reason, and if one is to check how can muslims got so much power...mmm started with Clinton, but got full force with Bush son... the conservatives are so much in as the liberals... in between all this loving hug of corruption is WE THE PEOPLE who better learn how to protect and defend themselves... too many red flags and too  many "casual" dead, that seems no one pay attention to it...

Dr. Ronald Cutburth
Dr. Ronald Cutburth

The writing is distorted and biased. Timpano seems to want to teach folks how to defend ourselves. Timpano suggests that when the government is corrupt and violates the constitution and collects guns, then we need to go to a corrupt congress and corrupt president to get permission to get our guns back. Hogwash. The Declaration is clear and resulted in the 2nd amendment. The British started collecting guns, and they were the lawful authority. We were supposed to go to the King to get permission to get our guns back. At this time corruption has led to the need for the American citizens to defend themselves against foreign invaders and mobsters. Obama chose to break down the borders. Obama chose to bring in many more Muslims who say they wish to kill all who are not Muslim (based on the Quran).  A unique plan by the founders rested in having the citizens armed so they can defend themselves. So that is what we plan to do. But of course communists want Americans to believe that we can do nothing if tyrany is more prominent in America. The dictators that may take over by corrupting the laws would call it treason to remove them. Naturally but sick. 

primi timpano
primi timpano

 Well said. I am glad someone else recognizes the Diebold machines for what they really are, a fifth front for Google's plan to assert world domination through computerized robot warriors.  I don't know how much longer we patriots can remain safe and left alone while connected to the internet and electrical grid.  I suggest stockpiling high caliber spent uranium rounds as the foe may be more machine than man.

RTGolden
RTGolden

Pak, you and I see eye to eye on a lot of things, and I can see the point you're making with this linked article.  Problem is the article opens a whole 'nother can of worms.

Did authorities really identify and stop an act of terrorism, or did they create an elaborate scenario and guide that fool into trying to carry one out?  They're walking a razor-thin line on a slippery slope with some of these investigations.

Ket354
Ket354

Like planned parenthood?

Albert
Albert

Except that none of these groups was pro-government authoritarian under Bush, or any president.

Fail.

13E20P-1-377FAR
13E20P-1-377FAR

See my last post.  I don't 'play' army.  I served my country in the U.S. Army until I was wounded.  How the hell can you make a statement like that?  How would you know.  I was in the 1stBN 377FAR, Ft Bragg, NC the only Airborne/AirAsslt Artillery unit in the US Army.  You ignorance is staggering.

Antonietta Diaz
Antonietta Diaz

 Ridiculous statement, many of it's members has fought in Vietnam. Well is good to know that we can fix ignorant, please don't said something with out know the truth, look's bad, some people who read this articles are informed and they know better. Your comment is just laughable.

Brent Mangum
Brent Mangum

 They are all ex-military Duddly .... Try doing some research before you open your mouth and make yourself look stupid.

informed opinion
informed opinion

If not for regular people "playing army" as you put it, this country would not exist.If not for militia, the unpaid fighting patriots, the American Revolution would have turned out just a bit differently. Don't forget that.

Albert
Albert

Ah then, you've investigated them all and found no veterans.

trannyntraining
trannyntraining

You do know that your ancestors are from Africa, right?

billmarvel
billmarvel

RT,i'm not objecting to their claims to patriotism or their flag-waving. I'm objecting to their exclusivity, to the implication that those of us who do not agree with their agenda are not patriotic, do not honor the same flag. And I especially resent the implied threat of their para-military pretensions. This is the style of intimidation, not patriotism. Who's supposed to be intimidated here?

primi_timpano
primi_timpano

 So my good doctor, what do you propose to do with all those guns?  Who do you shoot first?  Then second, then third?  While the Second Amendment protects your right to bear arms, it doesn't allow you to sight in or kill at your whim, no how many times you shout "corruption."  So you and your bearers in arms think you can so a better job against foreign invaders--please explicate, because I didn't know we were being invaded--and mobsters?  You and your heavily armed friends are no match for the mob.  You want to bear arms and repel foreign invaders?  Go to Mexico and pick a fight with the Cartel.  Then you will see what a sad, sorry joke this silly doctrine has made of you.

Albert
Albert

Actually, they're anti-growth

Will R
Will R

The crunchy core leadership of the groups may not change, but the number of people who identify them do, at least based on the anecdotes I hear from friends-of-friends that are much more serious about their guns and canned food collections than I am.

Ket354
Ket354

Right, when we didn't have an army. So, now that we do have an army, and its kind of big and well known, who will the militia protect us from that the army won't?

Dr. Ronald Cutburth
Dr. Ronald Cutburth

Billmarvel you only "assume" the purpose of the flag waving. Because they want to wave a flag should not make them wrong or discriminate of those who are busy in a different way. So folks go play golf a lot or watch TV regularly. In that same amount of time, others excersize to stay in shape and stay war or disaster ready. The "Watchmen" is a very large org which state they are ready to assist in disasters, make patrols for that and train so they can response in disasters or war. They wave flags too. When you don't like that, you don't join. Its not healthy to develop a dislike for ones who wave flags. 

Brent Mangum
Brent Mangum

Preparation for a worst case scenario is in no way intimidation. If you don't agree with them, don't join them! Pretty simple. Find a group that you do agree with and join them. Either way, participation in politics is the most important thing any "patriot" can do.

RTGolden
RTGolden

Other than in this obviously poorly researched story, where did you find anything at all to indicate that they view people who disagree with them as unpatriotic?  Where is any implied threat?  Their mission statement is simple: they stand ready if the community, the  State, or the Nation calls for them.

If there is any implied meaning here, it is coming only from your own views on the subject and the slant provided by the article.  They say that they prepare (train) to provide service to the community.  They don't say "other gun-nuts like us" or "xenophobic mouth-breathing window lickers".  The community, by definition, is inclusive, not exclusive.

I will admit, there are some of these so-called militia groups are exclusive, racist, likely criminal bastards.  I just can't see it applying to Dallas City Troop based on the information I have available to me.

The odd thing is: The author starts out his story laying the foundation of the SPLC's Hate List, and Hate Map.  The Dallas City Troop is then held out as an example of the type of organization on that list.

Dallas City Troop isn't on the SPLC's Hate Map or List.  It is listed on their "Patriot" groups list (Quotes are there in the SPLC's site and are not my fabrication).  Pretty much everything from the Ku Klux Klan to Evangelical associations to Peace Officer associations are this list.  Their Patriot groups appear to be anyone, anywhere who advocates for a smaller, less intrusive government and supports the Death Penalty.  It would appear, the SPLC has made a list that demonizes anyone who doesn't share their agenda, isn't that odd.

Skeptical skeptic
Skeptical skeptic

Maybe I didn't look around their website sufficiently, but where do you see that?

Antonietta Diaz
Antonietta Diaz

 How can you know for sure that the army is going to protect you? mmmm they are making smaller and smaller, and while our army forces are thin, they bring to this Country forces from other countries... the USA, have military people station on our bases, that belong to different countries... what you smoke? do anyone has take the time to question why they are decreasing our military power? Most people believe that our military will not attack on it's people, the problem is that we have now new generations that don't have the high standard of most of you and your parents, they take different Oath, and most of you will be surprise what kind of Oath that is, I was when I hear a young girl telling me. She was in the army.  So now, our people is decreasing, so they don't have access to weapons run by government, foreign powers are increasing, why? most people believe that foreign if were to do something against the people of this Nation, will have no remorse, because none of us is part of their country or family...  Have been reports that when Katrina happen, they were among those removing people from their homes and confiscating their weapons, foreign military infiltrated with ours... that is something to be thinking about it, but people is or too naive of too brainwash to see what is happening in this Country, I hope is not too late.  All this groups to witch anyone can be part of, are ready to defend and protect this Republic, as the last resort.  Since Texas is in the topic, some militia groups has offered assistance to the Sheriff in the borders if need, they are there to protect their State, and Texans do take that very serious, for some reason they have "The Alamo" for them was not just a battle as for the rest of America, but a stand for freedom, even if life was to be lost.  To most true Texans, Texas if the union is down the path or tyranny, will fight for their Independence... I guess everything is bigger in Texas.lol  The point I try to make is that people actually join this groups to be inform and prepare, not just for in attack, but for disasters and other events so they can help the people.  In fact was the federal government, who try to stop people in Texas to help those affected by the fire, and were the Texas Independent group mention in this article, the ones that confront the feds and tell them " This is my people and my State, you can't stop me, I going to help" and help they did.  It's almost like check and balances between the people and those corrupt in government. It's the people unite as people for the people, no power grab, no intent of control or pretentious to be better than anyone, as anyone can be part off.  And yet, they are groups out there that pretend to represent the Militias and are extremist, with Nazi belief, but they are not Militia, just anarchist... those are not part of the same thing and it's something that people need to understand.  God Bless.

informed opinion
informed opinion

No sir Ket354, we did have an army then. Go grab a history book.

Antonietta Diaz
Antonietta Diaz

 First to start, we have very very corrupt administration, so corrupt that they only thing they try to do is find more ways to destroy this Country, it's not surprising that the SPLC became their source of information for hate or extremist groups, but yet, the one's that don't look for the interest of the people, are not ;mention, let me see... New Black Panther, Los Zetas, OWS, muslim extremist, or about the over 30 camps of terrorist groups all over the USA... this groups and others try with out doubt to destroy what is good of this Nation, so how write an article about this entity that we know is bias and abusive against anything patriotic? for that matters is over 80 million Americans with guns, but not even 1% of those people are part of the Militia movement... but because they believe in God, they are against illegal immigration, they have guns, they believe in family, against abortion and some more moral values are to be call terrorist and extremist.  Those are the articles that should be write about it, not about Militia, something that is legal under the Constitution an as far I know, the Constitution still the Law of the Land, even if as I write this words this administration try to destroy and re-write.  When you ask a group what they think about the opinion of a hate group of their stand, you think they going to take you serious? I read the article and I believe that is write with the intention of create exactly the type of response that you have bring here.  For most people is ignorant, and they don't even know their own rights, but incite dislike among the people to groups that intent to protect the well being of the people in their community is simple wrong.  I hope you happy.

  God bless.

Dr. Ronald Cutburth
Dr. Ronald Cutburth

The SPLC is essentially a subversive org. They don't list the black panthers and stated in their last list that they don't because white people caused the problem. That is really oxymoronic or subversive. They also don't list the muslim training camp groups that have a war listing in their group name. SPLC also has a magazine they call "Intelligence". The articles in that spew hate against whites. The clear dangers is they provide their "intelligence" to the Homeland security. On Orielly's show they said one of the most dangerous groups is the "Oath Keepers". But to be sure the Oathkeepers only keep law enforcement informed to not collect guns or make arrests without warrants. Thus the SPLC serves as a Spy group to gather information for folks who are dangerous to America. 

dvldoc
dvldoc

I find it very hard to beleive there was not a somewhat slant veiw on the article. I understand it is very hard not to insert many personal beliefs or veiws when authoring such an article. The real problem I beleive that many of the readers posting here is the inclusion of "hate groups" and "extremist" with words like "Patriot" and "Militia". You see Anna when you string these words together, not matter what the end connotation of the article is, it groups these succintly different groups in the same catgory. It does not matter how "mild to extreme" each group is, then main fact here is that they are now veiwed as the same. It is no small wonder why the Dallas boys didn't want to talk to you. They are very leery of any new organization and I really can't say as if I blame them. I am also very aware of the stark difference in the political leanings of those in Dallas City proper to those living in the surrounding comunities (being a Rockwall Native and born in a Dallas Hospital).

The use of the SPLC as your only source in this subject also would have those reading beleive there may be a bit of a slant to the arguement. It is no great secret that the SPLC is a very liberal and left leaning organization. In this light they catagorize anyone who has political or social veiws not their own, well they are pretty much catagorized and branded by the SPLC as either a "Hate Group" or "Extremist". I am not belaying there is some truth to some groups in their hate map, but many of the groups the label are merely opposition to their point of veiw. The SPLC then in essence demonizes the opposition.I have little to no respect for the opinions of such and organization, but then again there are also many right leaning organizations that do the same. In all fairness I think they are all wrong.

If you truly wish to be objective please share both sides of the story. Cite more sources covering both sides of the argument and then present a non biased and informative article..Then do something the American media has not done in a long time, let the reader make up their own mind.

It was a very well written arguement, but the political leanings of the author seems to be pretty well inbedded within it. I encourage you to be more objective in the next article you write covering the same issue  

primi timpano
primi timpano

 I am stunned in awe at your constitutional scholarship and lucid writing.

Wildbill_b
Wildbill_b

 It could also be noted that you used "non white immigration" in reference to "terrorist" groups and then used "undocumented immigrants",  to make it appear that they are just innocent people doing nothing wrong.  Why not use the proper term?  ILLEGAL ALIENS. That means they have broken the law. That they are here unlawfully. That they are criminals. 

You also accentuate the "sovereign citizens groups".  This is a clear display of your ignorance of the founding of this country or even who you are. You see dear, YOU are a sovereign 'citizen' and so it EVERY single 'legal' person in America.  If it is not enough that the courts have ALWAYS said it, have you ever bothered to read the U.S. Constitution?   Your state Constitution?  Looked the word up?  Sovereign: A chief ruler with supreme power; one possessing sovereignty. (q. v.) It is also applied to a king or other magistrate with limited powers. 2. In the United States the sovereignty resides in the body of the people. Vide Rutherf. Inst. 282. Bouvier's Law Dictionary(1856 Edition)

Constitutions (binding law by the people)  all state in some form "We the PEOPLE, thankful to as creator, establish this Constitution.  Which creates the government (our creature,  Federalist papers)  We ARE the sovereignty.

"No such ideas obtain here; at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects (unless the African [p472] slaves among us may be so called), and have none to govern but themselves; the citizens of America are equal as fellow citizens, and as joint tenants in the sovereignty."  JAY, J., Separate Opinion SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES 2 U.S. 419 Chisholm v. Georgia

A government OF the PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, for the People. 

You did your job however.  You perpetuated the idea that if someone says they are part of the sovereignty they are a nut and a terrorist.  Did you know that the FBI classifies anyone who reads the bible, stocks up on food, reads the Constitution,Law, court cases, etc is a domestic terrorist and should be reported? Several indicators can help identify these individuals.

References to the Bible, The Constitution of the United States, U.S. Supreme Court decisions, or treaties with foreign governments8http://www.fbi.gov/stats-servi...

Of course, 'sovereign citizens' have to pay all "lawful" taxes and obey all 'lawful' laws. Do you know what Congress is allowed to do? http://publiushuldah.wordpress...  What happens if Congress passes something they TELL you is a law that they have no authority to pass?  Is it 'law'?  Can Congress operate welfare?   http://publiushuldah.wordpress...

Anna Merlan
Anna Merlan

I accept your figurative hat-tip gratefully and thank you for all the smart, thoughtful things you say on this blog every day.

I think there's probably a much longer and more nuanced story about patriot groups here, which I hope I'll get to write sometime soon. 

RTGolden
RTGolden

I stand corrected Anna.  A slight tip of the hat to you for pointing out your distinction in the article.

I stand by the assertion that SPLC's lists are largely comprised of groups of people who don't happen to support SPLC's agenda.  In spite of the good SPLC does, their lists bring to mind McCarthyism.

Anna Merlan
Anna Merlan

If you read my article more closely, RT, you'll see that Dallas City Troop is one of the seven Texas militias on the "anti-government patriot group" list the SPLC produced, which was part of a larger report on the overall number of hate and extremist groups in the U.S today. But as I also pointed out, there's a range of activities among those "patriot" groups -- "mild to militant," as I put it. Nowhere did I say that the Dallas City Troop is on a list of hate groups. They're on a list of extremist groups. 

So I was curious about Dallas City Troop's inclusion there, because on the one hand, yes, they are an armed militia, which some folks might find alarming, but that's a constitutionally protected activity. So I emailed them to ask how they felt about being implicitly placed on a list of "extremists," which the SPLC considers anti-government patriot groups to be. 

To recap: hate groups and extremist groups are two separate things, presented separately as part of the same report, as I thought I made clear in my story. The DCT doesn't consider themselves to be either of those things. I wish we could have talked about it in more detail, but that wasn't their choice. But everyone who wishes to can read the article they're referring to in Harper's and its criticisms of the SPLC. 

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