Laughing With Joe Arpaio: What's Wrong With People?

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Whenever the immigration issue comes up, as it has now with the ongoing Supreme Court review of Arizona's anti-immigrant law, so does Joe Arpaio. The famous Phoenix sheriff is in the national news again this week over a recording surfaced by The Associated Press in which Arpaio can be heard doing a kind of stand-up routine -- and getting laughs -- in front of a Houston audience, bragging about arresting Mexican laborers "just for spite."

You know Arpaio. He gets rave reviews from the anti-immigrant crowd for torturing arrested immigrants and American citizens, stuffing them into canvas infernos in the Arizona heat, feeding them green bologna and dressing them in pink underwear -- a truly pervy form of amusement.

In the deepest depths of my soul, I swear I do not get it. I swear. Tell me where it comes from. Do you know?

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Gage Skidmore
Joe Arpaio: harassing laborers is a laugh riot.
The houses in my neighborhood are old and in a state of constant re-repair. We're a middle class street. People often have to get the work done cheaply. The lesson of time, however, is that you'd better get it done well, or the house will punish you. I do a lot of stuff myself, badly. Then I hire somebody to fix it.

There are white and Hispanic-American guys who show up in sleek white vans to do serious work on the street -- tear out a bathroom and build it back for wheelchair access, something like that. They're professional. When you need them, you need them. It's a mistake to go any other way.

But we also have this floating population of illegal guys. They walk up and ask for work. They work as hard as they can all day long. The ones we hire back do great work. We pay them cheap. In the evening when they are done, they sometimes tip their heads, hats in hand, and say, "Thank you for the work."

Thank you for the work. How can any of us hear that phrase and not feel a rush of admiration? How can "thank you for the work" possibly be a bad thing?

Is the legal status of illegal workers a bad thing? Is the condition of their lives a bad thing? Are we crooks for using them? Sure. Yes to all of the above.

But tell me what they did that was bad. They came here to work. They do work. They work hard. We pay them to work hard. So tell me how and why we could possibly wind up hating them, ridiculing them, torturing them for coming here and working hard? There's a profound moral sickness in this, some kind of sick projection of our own guilt.

Do they break the law by coming here? Yes. But we pay them to break the law. We beg them to break the law. We need them to break the law.

Here's a metaphor for it: I call a dope dealer and ask him to bring me a bag of weed. He shows up. I buy the drug. And then what? I say, "You son of a bitching crook! You made me buy illegal drugs!" And then I call the cops on him? That is so twisted. So profoundly morally corrupt.

One day a guy working at our place gets a phone call, and I see him speaking into the cell phone with an expression of deep anguish. He's trying to reassure someone.

My own Spanish isn't just broken, it isn't Spanish. But we manage to communicate. Back in Mexico there is an hijo, a niño problematico, a son who won't go to school, hanging with the wrong crowd. It's eating up his wife. He's trying to give her strength.

"How long since you've been home?" I ask.

"Seis meses."

Damn. Damn. Six months away from home, eking out a living from guys like me, shipping all the money home to keep a roof over the family and food on their table. Six months away from his son.

Why don't we see nobility in that? Why don't we hear echos of the courage and self-sacrifice that made this country great in the first place?

I'm not even suggesting that I know the answer to the immigration conundrum. I'm not really talking about that, at bottom. I'm talking about the moral conundrum.

How can people laugh at Joe Arpaio? Do you know?

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Danielle Russell
Danielle Russell

"Perez told The Daily ... federal money can’t be distributed to organizations that violate the Constitution." So why do the 31 U.S. sanctuary cities who openly violate federal immigration laws continue to get federal money? And why hasn't Holder and Obama sued those cities?

Shitze aids child rape
Shitze aids child rape

http://www.kmov*com/home/Illegal-immigrant-charged-with-raping-14-year-old-Troy-girl-149305495.html

Illegal immigrant charged with raping 14-year-old Troy girl

April 27, 2012

TROY, Mo. (KMOV) -- An illegal immigrant from Guatemala has been charged in the rape of a 14-year-old girl in Troy, Missouri.

The alleged victim says 24-year-old Juan Domingo Francisco-Esteban was involved in the attack last month inside her home. She told police that Francisco-Esteban and two other Hispanic men held her down by the shoulders while raping her on a couch.

According to documents, the victim identified Francisco-Esteban through a photo lineup. Police say he has also used the names Luis Guzman and Timothy Trevino as aliases.

The suspect lived in the Cherry Street Apartments, and neighbor Tanya Stewart said she often saw young girls around the residence.

"Very sick.  That's very, very sick," Stewart said.  "If I would have just known... I mean, this is why you take the time to get to know your neighbors and know what they're about and talk to them."

Police happened to catch Francisco-Esteban in an alleged forgery crime the day the victim reported the rape. Police say Immigration officials are already working to deport him, but want to try him as a criminal first.

He is currently being held without bond in the Lincoln County Jail.

RUSK NATIVE
RUSK NATIVE

pink was VERY popular in the 1950s for all sexes....and baloney sandwiches carried most of us through school without having to eat the govt surplus food served in the cafeteria....so what is so bad with JOE??

Jp1052000-CHGDEVAPPC
Jp1052000-CHGDEVAPPC

Illegals reap mucho rewards, are ruining ourcountry, and need to be deported.

Jim Shitz = Rapist Apologist
Jim Shitz = Rapist Apologist

No, wait.  Jim Shitze is not an apologist for rapists and murderers. I know that. I know that it's me who is vile, hateful and reptilian. I have settled this matter with myself. I vow that I will not do this again. 

Libtard Stole My Name
Libtard Stole My Name

Oh look, my comments struck a white-guilt libtard so deeply that they hijacked my screen name, again, because they can't argue against the actual facts. Thanks for proving me right again, white-guilt libtard loser!!!

RTGolden
RTGolden

You've never made a coherent point to be argued against.  Your two main points are that Jim Schutze is a Liberal and that some criminals are not as white as you are.  You prove them by copying and pasting entire news articles, thinking we will have to read them to get to the comments below.  No one on this board thinks Jim is a conservative.  Everyone knows that some criminals are non-whites.  Everyone but you also knows that other criminals are white and born right here in the US of A.  Everyone but you is smart enough to post a link to a story instead of pasting the entire thing here.  Everyone here knows you are a racist, mouth breathing, window licker with a toe-to-tooth ratio of 1:1

Jim Shitz = Rapist Apologist
Jim Shitz = Rapist Apologist

Jim Shitze is an apologist for rapists and murderers.

Illegal alien accused of raping women with special needs

‎La'Tasha Givens Reporting KFOR-TVJuly 15, 2011

EDMOND, Okla. -- A man who is in this country illegally is accused of sexually assaulting two women with special needs. Gynda Chu with Edmond Police Department says, "He thought he could prey on these women and their voice would not be heard, but he was very wrong."

Chu is talking about 40-year-old Esteban Martinez.

Police say he assaulted two women, who have special needs, while they were working. 

In the first case, dating back to June, investigators say he went to an Edmond Goodwill and approached the victim.

The report states, "he stuck his hand up her shirt, touching her breasts, then he put his hand down her pants and penetrated her." 

Police say weeks later he assaulted an employee at EARC thrift store.

In that case, the victim told police that Martinez, "put his arms around her waist and pushed his body against hers."

She says he then, "grabbed her butt and said, 'Do you like this?'" 

Police say Martinez came by the thrift stores where the two victims worked several times a week.

"It's just amazing that this happened in broad daylight in a place of work. He assaulted these women and he thought he could get away with it," Chu says.

Both women told their bosses immediately after the assaults and were able to identify Martinez by a photo. 

Investigators say the victims were very shaken up by the assaults but they were brave enough to tell someone what happened to them; that bravery is what helped officers file the necessary charges.

Martinez is charged with first-degree rape by instrumentation.

We are unsure if he has a previous criminal background.

Police say Martinez is an illegal immigrant and the Immigration and Naturalization Service has placed him on hold.

http://www.kfor*com/news/local/kfor-illegal-alien-accused-of-raping-women-with-special-needs-20110715,0,5145648.story

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Confession in rape, killing spurs hearing

July 28, 2011

ALBION — Testimony continued Wednesday in Orleans County Court on the admissibility of a confession by an illegal immigrant accused of raping and strangling his sister-in-law Jan. 15.

Carlos Cardenas, 21, of East State Street, signed the document in February, saying he accidentally strangled Katherine “Katy” Sanchez, 15, after they had consensual sex and she threatened to tell his wife, Kimberly.

“The purpose of the whole hearing is to determine whether the confession is voluntary,” District Attorney Joseph Cardone said. “We feel it was voluntary and will be admitted into trial.”

Cardenas, a Mexican citizen, was not immediately charged in the death and was being held as an illegal alien after a traffic stop in the Town of Holley on Feb. 13, when he was charged with driving while intoxicated. Holley Officer Karol Hughes testified July 1 that Cardenas said he was an illegal alien and authorities were called to process him.

At Wednesday’s hearing, agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol testified that none of them knew of Cardenas’ possible connection to the slaying.

Sammy Diaz, a Border Patrol agent, said Cardenas was processed for an administrative case, meaning there were no outstanding criminal cases against him and he would be returned to Mexico.

Agent Alvi Castro said authorities were contacted Feb. 16 by state police to move Cardenas from Wayne County Jail to Genesee County for questioning.

Castro said that two days later, he was asked for help in taking Cardenas to an orchard near Albion, where Cardenas said he had buried the victim. He said that with directions from Cardenas, investigators found the body.

http://www.buffalonews*com/city/communities/southern-tier/article503783.ece

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Jury convicts man of raping two women

July 20, 2011 - By VIK JOLLY

SANTA ANA – An Orange County jury Wednesday convicted a dry-cleaning store manager of raping two women about nine months apart, one of them a minor he supervised.

The jury of eight women and four men deliberated for nearly two days before finding Jaime Zamora Ramirez, 42, of Costa Mesa guilty of two felony counts of forcible rape with a sentencing enhancement allegation for forcibly raping multiple victims.

He faces a maximum of 140 years to life in prison for the rapes in 2008 and 2009 at his Aug. 17 sentencing by Orange County Superior Court Judge Kazuharu Makino.

Deputy District Attorney Jennifer Walker said in her closing arguments that Ramirez showed a similar pattern in raping the women, assuming that he had gotten away with the first sexual assault.

" 'I've already gotten away with the first (rape),' " Ramirez thought, Walker told jurors. " 'No one's going to believe (the second victim), like no one's believed (the first).' "

The 17-year-old he raped, prosecutors said, was an illegal immigrant from Mexico whom he supervised at First Class Cleaners in Fountain Valley.

Walker told jurors that the women, who didn't know each other, had nothing to gain by accusing Ramirez of rape.

The minor, the prosecutor said, was "a child in another country" who knew what the consequence of reporting her boss was, even as she needed a job.

In the Oct. 12, 2008, incident, Ramirez knocked on the door of a friend's apartment in Anaheim and asked for a beer. After briefly walking away, he returned to the woman's apartment, forced her onto a bed and raped her.

In the second rape, on July 11, 2009, Ramirez told a co-worker to have the minor employee help with "special deliveries," prosecutors said.

He then told the co-worker to drive the teen to his Costa Mesa home to pick up some paperwork after the day's deliveries.

Once at his home, Ramirez lured the girl into his room, locked the door and raped her.

Ramirez faces a sentencing enhancement for an earlier Orange County strike conviction for vehicular manslaughter in 1992.

Makino has the discretion not to sentence him for that strike. The minimum prison term Ramirez could receive is 50 years to life in prison.

http://articles.ocregister*com/2011-07-20/news/29800235_1_ramirez-s-defense-attorney-jury-convicts-man-jaime-zamora-ramirez

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Illegal Immigrant Accused of Attempted Murder

Monday, 08 Aug 2011

PHOENIX - A 30-year-old man has been arrested for attempted murder after police say he shot a man during a fight.

Juan Pablo Mateo-Monzon has been booked into jail on second degree attempted murder, prohibited possessor of a weapon, and forgery charges.

Mateo-Monzon is also accused of being in the United States illegally.

Early Sunday morning, Mateo-Monzon allegedly shot the victim, Everardo Lopez-Esquivel, in the head.

The two were inside Mateo-Monzon's Phoenix apartment and apparently got into a fight. Eyewitnesses told police that the victim attacked him with his fists and they separated the two. Then, Mateo-Monzon went into another room and came out with a .357 handgun.

The suspect allegedly then shot the victim in the head at close range. He told detectives he "had been drinking and was possessed by rage because the victim hit him and insulted him for no apparent reason."

Mateo-Monzon says he fired the gun at the victim in an attempt to scare him -- but did not call 911 because he was afraid -- and hid the gun in the kitchen.

According to court documents, Mateo-Monzon is from Guatemala and entered the U.S. illegally 11 years ago by paying a smuggler $4,000. He admitted he uses a false name, Fabian Topete, for work purposes and that he purchased the name for $300 a few years ago.

Police believe the victim will not survive his head injury, which means the charges would be upgraded to second degree murder after he dies.

http://www.myfoxphoenix*com/dpp/news/crime/illegal-immigrant-accused-of-attempted-murder-8-8-2011

Jim Shitz = Wimpy White Guilt
Jim Shitz = Wimpy White Guilt

Oh my God. I just looked in the mirror and realized what an ignorant ass-hole I am and how right Jim Schutze is about everything. How did this happen to me? How can I repent? I am hideous, a fool, a vile and loathesome creeping thing. This is my true confession.

trudat
trudat

Joe is sick.  The people who laugh at him are sick...The national "solutions" to the problem are generally sick when you look at the big picture...Of course this is an example of why so many of us who claim some degree of sanity pay so much money to the alcohol and tobacco (and other) dealers on a regular basis...we are generally a sick society where whistle blowers often get condemned and punished...social reformers can get attacked, put in prison or killed, teachers are underpayed and overworked and blamed for everything...but keep hope alive...keep exposing the mess and praising the blessings...we can still talk and write about it...maybe we'll all decide to fix it up one day...don't know when, but maybe...

Daily Reader
Daily Reader

He's in denial...just let him go back to his make believe world that "everything is perfect".

billmarvel
billmarvel

Surprised to learn that my neighborhood is a "make believe world." Seems real enough to those of us who live here, but i guess it takes an outsider, someone who, I'm guessing, has never set foot on any of our streets, to put us straight.I'm also surprised that you enclosed "everything is perfect' in quotation marks, as though you were quoting something I wrote. So easy to knock down an argument if you invent it in your own head and don't have to deal with what the other fellow really said.

rubbercow
rubbercow

Marv,

You must have a persecution complex. Daily Reader's anemic insult was meant for me.

rubbercow
rubbercow

You are clueless. Unfortunately, DR's intent was to tell you to "let him go back..." but he or she doesn't know how to "work" the inter tubes correctly.

billmarvel
billmarvel

And I quote from Daily Reader: "This was meant to be a reply to: billmarvel"Really, cow, you have to start paying attention.

Daily Reader
Daily Reader

 This was meant to be a reply to: billmarvel 12 hours ago in reply to rubbercow

SGarmon
SGarmon

You answered your own column's question:  You hire illegals and pay them 'cheap'.   How can people laugh at Arpaio? They same way I laugh at you. Why not hire U. S. citizens? Because they would cost you more. 

Urbandweller203
Urbandweller203

That's right SGarmon. You can get a labor company and pay them the same amount of money to get the same job done. Maybe a a dollar more, but at least that company is mandated to hire US citizens of all races and that company is paying into the tax system. At least you have a record of who was working at your house. You can hold someone accountable. People wonder why kids and babies disappear from their house. Well, did that person ever have a person working there that they picked up off the street.  See, my point  regarding to your comment on this article is that US mexican citizens are not standing on the corner of 7-eleven & Race Trac, or walking up to your house asking for work;  they have legit jobs. Its the illegals that people have to pick up for day labor. No one has vetted them, they are complete strangers to your residence.

Would a person pick up a black man at 7-eleven or Race Trac and bring him  back to their  home to  dig some holes.......that's my point.

scottindallas
scottindallas

 you make some fair points.  But, actually the illegals are more likely to be law abiding than the domestic counterpart.  They are more likely honorable...  But everyone who fails to inquire as to whether they're hiring a firm of documented workers is part of the problem.  It's funny those who want smaller gov't are unwilling to police themselves.

Urbandweller203
Urbandweller203

Mexico is not a broke country. The issue is complex, but I surely do not have the sympathy for any illegal. All human kind migrated here at one time or another, even the natives,; more or less over the straits, through Mexico, Florida, the Carolina's, etc. This is how this country was built. With that said, things change, laws are put into place, societies are built, etc. etc. Because this country was built by immigrants and slaves, does not mean the US should be relaxed on illegals. I don't buy the article contents, but I respect the reasoning. This is one of the the biggest Mexican scam game in the US. Check out  Mexico's stock exchange  in natural resources. This country is naturally rich in resources, ranked # 15 in copper mines, cement.., yet with a corrupt goverment sytem.  

The people of that county will eventually suck America dry. Free education for illegals, welfare to all, and they pay less than 15% of  property taxes in Dallas County. They even have total spanish text books in some elementary schools.  THEIR MONEY GOES BACK TO MEXICO everyday.

 If I could go to Mexico and drain their public welfare system in exchange for every illegal who drain the US system, I would be in good shape. As painful as it may sound, they are fleeing Mexico (and other countries are doing it too);  because the US have bullet holes in the welfare system.. Cut off the freebies and the problem will starts to heal itself. The IRS need to set up some type of system to intercept all money wire tranfers and tax the shit out of it. That wired money should be qualified as to it's origin, work, personal, etc before it is taxed. The US need to find new ways to get non-property owners to offset the public schools system. Even the Mexican goverment depend on their people to send the money back. They dont' have to do nothing for their poor. Yet the middle class in the new low income.

I admire their tenacity as a whole, but they can do the same unity  shit in Mexico and make their goverment work. I don't believe no one lack respect for a dayof  hard work, or the people who come here legally and pay into the system. The fact is most American's know ALL illegals  are collectively getting over on the American system. The country of Mexico has money and a healthy stream of cash flow!!!

Don't be fooled. The one who come here illegally, come to get over on teh weak government system in the US.

scottindallas
scottindallas

Idiot, we're in land stolen from Mexico.  You wanna make that argument in Georgia, fine.  But you can't sit in TX or AZ or NM or CA and make your case (excepting of course land acquired under the Gadsen Purchase, that we paid fair and square.

Urbandweller203
Urbandweller203

In this modern time, Mexican from Mexico are illegal in this country without citizenship, regardless to the original habitants on this soil before. That shit don't matter anymore. What matter are rules and laws. This issue is about welfare and tax loopholes that are being taken advantage of.

My dollar I  put in the system should go to help US citizen of today, not the ancestors of mexican who Once dominated the land. That time has passed. They need to stand up to their government and make their goverment work for them. 

 If a US citizen becomes unemployed in the US or just plain unemployable with a felony, then go to Mexico and create an anchor baby to get all the welfare available, work for straight cash and not pay taxes and send it back to their home state, then hook up with other religious organizations  to further feed their illegal status, then continue to live off of tax free cash and welfare, hospital care, etc. well,yes, they will eventually get ahead.

You should change your blog name to Idiot in Dallas because you know nothing about the migration of humans, development of civilizations, etc. I can tell by your response. You missed the entire understanding of the blog.

scottindallas
scottindallas

here's what you miss, here's what pisses me off.  You're a liar and hypocrite.  I am the one who's advocating that you get off your lazy ass and simply ask people like me, if my workers are documented.  But you don't.  So I have to work in this field and you're the one hiring the wet back.  You come on here and bitch, but you're the one who's hiring them.  I've had all white boys working for me for the last 5 years.  They're not as good, but I DO understand the problem.  I'm the one who wrote the letter to the jackasses you listen to on the radio, begging them to simply use their microphone to appeal to you whinny asses to simply ask those you contract with, if their workers are documented.  They all preferred the big gov't solution of having sheriffs run dragnets.  I wanted to create a market demand for documented workers.  So, you're the big gov't socialist, who's hiring these illegal workers. 

rubbercow
rubbercow

And Mexico is on land "stolen" from Spain and Spain was on land "stolen" from Aztecs who were on land "stolen" from other tribes (which they conquered, but that is for another time).  It may also interest you to know that indigenous Mexica/Aztecs never, ever lived in any of the lands which now make up Texas, New Mexico, Colorado or California.

The "stolen land" argument is pointless.  Do I have a right to live in the part of the planet where my dna signature first appeared?  Of course not.

rubbercow
rubbercow

" but the land belongs to those who live upon it, no foreign power has the prerogative to say otherwise."

Where do we live?

scottindallas
scottindallas

Spain claimed it, but the land belongs to those who live upon it, no foreign power has the prerogative to say otherwise.  There were many people here before us.  We were guests of the Mexican gov't.  They wouldn't allow slavery, so we revolted.  The Raven hated slavery, but he ultimately, and regretfully became the leader for same.

Tired
Tired

Glad they are coming to your street and fixing up the houses. On my Mom's street in East Fort Worth they have turned THAT street into a little ghetto, complete with trashing all the houses they live in, multiple families/persons live in the same houses, cars parked everywhere, dogs running loose, trash everywhere, music blaring at all hours!! But it's good to find out they have a purpose elsewhere in the Metroplex

scottindallas
scottindallas

I doubt that.  Mexicans/Illegals are generally more family oriented, more stable and more likely home owners than their American contemporaries.  It's not nice to say, but they generally improve a ghetto, as their family orientation is generally stronger than the rest of the country.  They will walk on the streets, and make themselves seen.  Maybe it's their brown-ness that you find so objectionable.

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

Those are broad generalizations without proof bordering on insulting. Back up your claims or shut up.

billmarvel
billmarvel

scott,"kitsch" is a German term -- or perhaps English, deriving from the word "sketch." It suggests the trashy, the tawdry, the overly emotional. And so one might easily imagine that cold northern European sensibilities would be put off by the warm Mediterranean and Latin American style that has moved into my neighborhood. Certainly some of my Anglo neighbors have been.I gotta admit I was shaken by the giant mural of the Virgin of Guadalupe that appeared on the garage door across the street. Now that she's gone -- the new, Anglo, owner of the house overpainted her -- I kind of miss her.     

scottindallas
scottindallas

 I've seen the same thing.  If only those families didn't look so Mexican, if only those mothers walking their children were so brown.  I don't personally prefer, but appreciate the kitchy style of the colorful Mexican neighborhood.  I love those taquerias fo sho.

rubbercow
rubbercow

Twist and twist, marv. I note that I live in neighborhood where some Latinos dislike other Latinos and that most people in my neighborhood think nothing of littering, etc and that is supposed to be racist?

Would you be surprised to know that one of my Latino neighbors actually told me that he doesn't like "Anglos"? How about the fact that my wife and I spend a good deal of time with many of our Latino neighbors going to baby showers, birthday parties and cookouts? Or, that we have provided free legal services to a neighbor who was in potentially big trouble with the county tax assessor (what ethnicity do you think that neighbor is?). We have done many, many other things for our neighbors and they have done things for us. One neighbor'schildren have been welcome in our house to use our computers for homework (until I had the good fortune of running across a computer that I could give to them).

The sad fact is that you bend things to suit your weak argument so that you can pretend that you are somehow more enlightened than others. You can peddle you self-absorbed bullshit elsewhere as far as I am concerned.

billmarvel
billmarvel

cow,I call attention to your comment in response to scottindallas inwhich you write, among other things, "Latinos ...are also quite insular. ...the vast majority of people in my neighborhood think absolutely nothing of littering, doing some things that would be considered animal cruelty ...and generally having no regard for the idea that they are part of a neighborhood"Not racist? I think your Latino neighbors would nbe in a better position to pass judgment on that.

rubbercow
rubbercow

Marv,

Please pony me to my "racist" comments. You are unable to defend your point so everyone is a racist?

billmarvel
billmarvel

cow,Your own remarks, above, about Latinos in Oak Cliff, and various other racist claptrap on this blog suggests otherwise.  

rubbercow
rubbercow

The subject here is illegal immigration, not immigration. No reasonable person would object to legal immigrants from anywhere.

billmarvel
billmarvel

In the late 1970s, my family moved into a neighborhood north of Love Field that was populated mostly by empty-nesters, Anglos whose children had grown up and moved away. Within a few years, the empty-nesters also started moving out -- to condos, to the far suburbs, to the country, to other nests in other trees. Without customers, the strip shopping centers started emptying out. Montgomery-Wards gave up the ghost, the U.S. Postoffice closed, the supermarket and drug store died. Houses went vacant. Real estate values tumbled long before the mortgage crisis overtook ritzier neighborhoods. Nearby apartments filled with drug dealers. Prostitutes from Harry Hines began to expand their territory.Then little by little Hispanic families started buying up those vacant houses. The price was right, there was a school down the block. As the years passed more and more Hispanics moved in. They started fixing up those homes, not usually to the taste of the remaining Anglos -- potted tropical plants, wrought-iron fences, elaborate landscaping, even some bright colors blossomed along those blocks of uniform gray and brick-red. But the neighborhood was on the upswing. The vacant strips sprang back to life, a bouncing Latino life, but life all the same. Where there had been one grocery store, there were now two. There were some pretty good Mexican restaurants, beauty salons. Housing values edged upwards.These were solid, working-class people - plumbers and electricians and sheet-metal workers. Good parents, good neighbors.Now when you drive along our tree-shaded streets in the evening you'll see children out playing, mom and dad -- and maybe grandma -- watching from the porch. A sight I remember dimly from the streets of my childhood. One row of troublesome apartments has been torn down to make way for -- a church! It even has a bell tower with a working bell.I am the grandson of Polish immigrants. I grew up in a Polish neighborhood. None of this seems very threatening to me. It seems like a reiteration of the old American dream. You hear a lot of Spanish on the streets here, but then you heard a lot of Polish in my grandmother's old neighborhood and, believe me, Spanish is a whole lot easier to pick up than Polish. A neighborhood busybody, Anglo to the core, grouses about school signs in Spanish. As if she had any more need to read them than the mothers who walk their kids to and from school every weekday.So I call foul on those, above, who think something dreadful, something unprecedented in our history is going on here. I call bigot on those whose grandparents safely got here before the hate-mongers slammed the golden door in their face. I call hatred on all those who see a dark skin and hear a foreign accent and say, No, not here, not in my neighborhood.The same Bible that so many of us like to thump is crystal clear on how we must treat the aliens among us. The Constitution makes no distinction between those who come to these shores from northern Europe and those who come from everywhere else. That distinction arrived much later and was the product of nativist race-hatred and fear. You can look that up.So I say Joe Arpaio is a racist thug, a Know-Nothing (you can look that up, too; it's in the history books), and those who encourage and support him need to realize exactly that it is they are supporting. Whatever it is, it's not American.

 

 

scottindallas
scottindallas

Vickery Meadow and Lombardy Lane near Marsh are two neighborhoods that are much improved by the "browns" over taking the "blacks." 

Tired
Tired

The proof is on the street you idiot!

rubbercow
rubbercow

I have lived in Oak Cliff for five years and can tell you that, yes Latinos tend to be pretty family oriented but that they are also quite insular.  Even on my little block there are only three households of Latinos who speak to each other - all the rest have fairly intense dislikes of one kind or another and do not associate with one another.  That being said, the vast majority of people in my neighborhood think absolutely nothing of littering, doing some things that would be considered animal cruelty in other places, and generally having no regard for the idea that they are part of a neighborhood (you know - where you are a neighbor to someone) and not just a place where you do exactly as you please because it is what you feel like doing.

Albert
Albert

They did great things for my family's nice little  neighborhood in Van Nuys, so great everyone had to move.

Mavdog
Mavdog

I agree with your point Jim. Why the hell do we demonize people who are just trying to find work and support their families?

Does it really make any difference what piece of earth, on the north side or the south side of the Rio Grande, a person was born on?

Not really. This issue is about nationalist zealotry, a we versus them. We're all humans, the geographic place of our birth really should be a non-issue.

Albert
Albert

"This issue is about nationalist zealotry..."We saw that in that in the marches and demonstrations a couple of years ago. nationalist zeal for Mexico, Honduras, Salvador, Guatemala....Until someone reminded the protestors they were demanding rights in the US, so they had them switch flags to show their love of... country.

rubbercow
rubbercow

Give some thought to your position.  You realize that if there were not a pool of people defined under a system of social justice and social agreement there would be no way to have any kind of "safety net" for anyone and you would be right back to the veritable State of Nature.  

Yes, it does matter what piece of earth a person is born on.  If we follow your logic, most of the world would be here.  Mexico is a fabulously rich country compared to many, many others.  Where is your concern for those other people?  Can the entire impoverished world just move to the US?  What would happen the the society that has allowed the US to be prosperous?

Mavdog
Mavdog

I'd suggest that it is those who fail to look past the status quo who have not "give[n] some thought to your position".

Citizenship entails rights that are not, and would not, be bestowed on those without citizenship. Most have to do with governance and social benefits.

Those excluded rights do not have anything to do with the ability to pursue employment, to work and to receive a fair wage for that work. To live harmonious with others in peace and safety. That really has nothing to do with citizenship.

scottindallas
scottindallas

I know you've spent far more time bloviating on this subject, and you resent my suggestion that you simply ask those you employ if their workers are documented.  Your failure to see and accept that makes you a sophist, considering you're the one so bothered by this issue.  I really haven't made any substantive partisan assumptions, I've kept the focus on immigration, where you are more aligned with the right than the left.  

rubbercow
rubbercow

Scott, you have no idea who I am and I think it is hilarious that you think that I am even loosely affiliated with, or even lean toward, the right. You don' see how absurd it is that you accuse others of being bigots when your comments here are the very definition of the word?

scottindallas
scottindallas

 The system you are defending has indeed created the system you deplore.  You just wanna bitch, but won't call on everyone, yourself included to ask those you hire if their workers are documented.  Until YOU create a market for documented workers, all the money will support the steady flow the money supports today.  The GOP doesn't want to fix the problem, their donor LIKE the status quo.  But you are the true believer WWE fan, screaming that Bad Bart is BAD and Good Gary is kin of the good Messiah.  The charlatans you listen to don't tell they're shooting each other in the gluteus maximus with human growth hormone. 

rubbercow
rubbercow

I understand those things quite well.  What I do not understand is the point you are trying to make.

scottindallas
scottindallas

You really don't understand how politics in this country works, do you?   Do you know who votes, and who doesn't?  Who get's appointments with Congressmen and who doesn't?  Who the Congressman considers?  Who gives him money? 

rubbercow
rubbercow

I understand your point.  How do you think it would work to have a society where some people are citizens and, therefore, are entitled to rights and there is a "working class" that just works and gets paid with no opportunity to enjoy those things that citizens do?  I would imagine that it would be very much the same as the situation we have right now only magnified unimaginably.

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