How To Not Get Deported

Categories: Immigration

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So, you're an undocumented immigrant. Your great hope is to stick around, make a living and, some day, become naturalized. Unfortunately, our immigration laws are a tangled morass of inscrutability, insensible to the realities of a globalized world.

You may have watched last week's Republican debate in Arizona with a growing sense of foreboding as the candidatry swung its collective, penetrating gaze from America's kibbles-'n'-bits to border security. Presumptive nominee Mitt Romney endorsed Gov. Jan Brewer's American Legislative Exchange Council-penned immigration law, designed to do little other than line the pockets of private-prison operator Corrections Corporation of America by filling its detention facilities.

"You know, I think you see a model in Arizona."

It'll be bad enough if primary voters can stomach pulling on the Mittens of Last Resort, but even if they can't, the GOP -- these days the party of craven, isolationist xenophobia -- has a majority in the U.S. House of Representatives. And because the Democrats have neither the political will nor capital to do anything about immigration reform, you're stuck with the current state of things.

But it's confusing out there. Buzzwords like "prosecutorial discretion" keep cropping up. What do they mean? And how, above all else, do you stay in this country and out of CCA's privately run pokeys you keep hearing such awful things (rape) about? To that end, Unfair Park chatted with local immigration attorney Furqan Sunny Azhar. Here's what we took from the conversation:

Prosecutorial Discretion: "Immigration court" and "termination of charges" probably sound pretty good together, right? But don't get your hopes up. The exercise of prosecutorial discretion isn't going to get you work authorization or a green card or any kind of legal status. All it means is that they're not going to prosecute you ... at this time. It's a step in the right direction. A teensy, mincing step.

Maintain Your Vehicle: It helps to have a driver's license, but if you don't, make sure your tail lights, brake lights -- hell, even your dome lights -- are working. In some North Texas 'burbs, DWB (Driving While Brown) is probable cause. Don't give them an excuse.

Stay Away From Irving: No, seriously. The Irving Police have historically been pretty inquisitive when it comes to folks' nationalities. You know, while you're at it, stay away from Carrollton and Farmers Branch too. The police there have 287(g) agreements with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, metamorphosing every patrol cop into a de facto ICE agent (at least for now).

Avoid the Greyhound Bus: They do get pulled over and searched from time to time.

Don't Speed: Remember -- No Probable Cause.

Don't Drink and Drive: You really shouldn't do this anyway, but definitely not as an undocumented immigrant. Prosecutorial discretion will not apply when you go before the immigration judge. It'll be all aboard the bus headed to Oakdale Federal Detention Center.

Don't Beat Your Wife/Girlfriend: Again, something you shouldn't do anyway, but you'd be surprised how often undocumented immigrants get picked up for this. It may not be the politically correct thing to say, but if I had a dime every time an immigration attorney told me that ... Perhaps the moral of the story here is to avoid boozing in excess and the stupid things you may consequently do.

Avoid Checkpoints: Avoid any kind, but especially the ones in South Texas and at state border crossings.


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angie
angie

I NEED YOUR HELP PLEASE, I AM SERIOUS ABOUT THIS MATTER SO PLEASE DO NOT BE UGLY TO MY COMMENT. I REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT A SITUATION. I HAVE A SON-IN-LAW THAT HAS BEEN LIVING WITH MY DAUGHTER FOR 4 YRS. THEY HAVE 3 BORN U S CHILDREN TOGETHER THEY REALLY DO LOVE ONE ANOTHER. THE HISPANIC I WILL BE SPEAKING OF HIS NAME IS ROSENBERG LOPEZ, ANYWAY I KNOW FOR A FACT THIS IS A WONDERFUL MAN!!! HE DOES NOT DRINK SMOKE OR ETC... AND WORKS HIS TAIL OFF!!!! OK HERE IS THE PROBLEM...ROSENBERG HAS BEEN LIVING IN THE STATES ILLEGAL FOR ABOUT 14 YRS. AND YES MAYBE HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTON LEGAL BACK THEN BUT HE DIDN'T. ANYWAYS, 2 YRS. AGO THEY ARRESTED HIM AND HE HAD NEVER NEVER BEEN IN ANY TROUBLE AT ALL WELL, THEY DEPORTED HIM, WELL, BECAUSE HIS LIFE WAS IN DANGER AND HIS CHILDREN AND COMMAN LAW WIFE WERE IN THE STATES HE CAME BACK ACROSS YES ILLEGAL BUT YOU MUST UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY HAD HIM IN HOUSTON, TEXAS WAITING ON TO BE DEPORTED THEY (IMMIGRATION) TOLD HIM IF HIS FAMILY MEANING US WOULD SEND HIM 2,000.00 THAT THEY WOULD TURN HIM LOOSE!!!! WELL AT THE TIME WE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS UNTILL HE MADE HIS WAY BACK TO THE STATES, SO WHAT THE HECK IS THE DIFFERENCE??? I BELIEVE IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY!!!! ANYWAYS HE IS WAITING ON DEPORTATION AGAIN AND HE IS THE ONLY MEANS OF SUPPORT FOR HIS FAMILY...THE SADDEST THING IS...HIS DAUGHTER THAT IS ONLY 2 YRS. OLD IS DYING WITH CANCER!!! WHAT SHOULD I DO TO HELP HIM???? WHAT WOULD YOU ALL DO??? ANYWAYS HIS NAME IS ROSENBERG LOPEZ AND HE IS NOW IN CEDARTOWN GA WAITING ON ICE PLEASE PRAY FOR HIS DAUGHTER MY GRANDDAUGHTER ALI LOPEZ!!! AND THANKS YA'LL!!!

angie
angie

I DID AND NOT ONE TIME DID THE FIRST MEXICAN POLICE STOP ME NOR DID THEY ASK  TO SEE ANY SORT OF PAPERS, NOW WHEN I WAS TRYING TO COME BACK ACROSS INTO THE STATES I HAD TO SHOW ALL KINDS OF PAPERS AND I KNOW GOOD AND WELL U CAN LOOK AT ME AND NO I AM NOT  HISPANIC!!!!!!

Edgar Allan Poe
Edgar Allan Poe

Americans and their selfishness! Its sad how a great country is being destroyed by hate and envy. There are a lot of other things to worry about, global warming, national debt, and so on and y'all waste your time and money deporting hard working immigrants that come back the next day. Mexico its a great country richer than the US. Everything in the us is fake and owed just like Americans owe their possessions, credit is money you don't have. Mexicans are all over the world, we seek new beginnings, we always want to prosper and give our kids a good future, and lets not forget this is our country. God bless!

Armando Cedillo
Armando Cedillo

You forgot one - DON'T VIOLATE A SOVEREIGN NATION'S IMMIGRATION LAWS

Tony Bulver
Tony Bulver

A surefire way to avoid deportation is to not come to the U.S. without the proper documentation to support your visit. Secondly, if you do have a visa, be sure to leave when your visa expires.Simple as that.

Paul
Paul

How to avoid getting deported? ... How about don't enter the country without authorization; i.e., legally.

The main problem that I see is that illegal status creates an underclass that is subject to being preyed upon.

If those currently in the country illegally are somehow given legal status, it will just start a new wave of illegal entry.

After all, all of those here illegally in the mid 80's were given amnesty and there was supposed to be a tightening of requirements for entry ... and look at what has happened.

Censors are lame
Censors are lame

http://www.wfaa*com/news/crime/Carrollton-Child-Murder-Suspects-Immigration---133127958.html

Carrollton child murder suspect crossed border more than once

by MONIKA DIAZWFAANovember 2, 2011

CARROLLTON — Jose Sifuentes, the man accused of murdering a 10-year-old girl in Carrollton, illegally crossed into the United States on multiple occasions before his most recent arrest.Records obtained by News 8 show that Carrollton police arrested Sifuentes in April 2009 in a traffic stop. He faced charges including minor in possession of alcohol and driving without a license and insurance. Officers turned him over to immigration officials because of his illegal status.Sifuentes was granted "voluntary return," an option given to some illegal immigrants with no serious criminal history on record.He went back to Mexico, but he didn't stay long.According to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Sifuentes was caught trying to illegally enter the U.S. that same month, and then again in May 2009. All three times he was granted "voluntary return.""It tells me that it's continual, that's it's a pattern, and it's not going to stop," said Dallas immigration attorney Michelle Scopellite.Sifuentes didn't stop trying.He finally was able to get back into the U.S., but  News 8 was not able to determine how and when he returned.For Scopellite, the case shows how difficult enforcement at the border is, and that more safeguards are needed needed to slow down border crossings.  "We are left with a situation of somebody who has entered three times illegally and been removed twice —  and then something like this happens," Scopellite said. "It's a real travesty."While Scopellite believes ICE and Border Patrol agents did the best they could, she wonders why they didn't hand down tougher consequences after Sifuentes' border arrests."Why didn't they go into the process of going through an 'order of removal,' since he had already been given 'voluntary departure'?  And hopefully, the next time they caught him, he would have served some federal time," Scopellite said. "That never happened, and they gave him 'voluntary removal' every time."On Wednesday night, the community of Carrollton came together for a vigil to support the parents of Jasmen Gonzalez. They attended the vigil and didn't want to talk about the loss of their daughter, but they did share a few words. They also thanked the community."I don't want to talk right now. This tragedy that has happened to us, it hasn't been easy," said Jasmen's mother, Elvira Hernandez. "I hope you understand. Thank you."The family set up an account for funeral expenses at Chase Bank. Donations can be made at any branch under Jasmen Gonzalez's name.

MattL1
MattL1

These seem like good ideas for everyone, especially the one about avoiding Irving, Carrollton, and Farmers Branch.  No reason to go to those places.  

Good luck, my industrious, undocumented friends!

CensorsAreLame
CensorsAreLame

Serial rapist and illegal alien was TWICE DEPORTED

http://www.kpho*com/news/15036693/detail.html

Man Is Illegal Immigrant Twice Deported

January 13, 2008

CHANDLER, Ariz. -- A suspect in the sexual assaults of several young girls in Chandler has been arrested and police said Saturday that DNA positively links the man to the case.

Santana Batiz Aceves, 39, was booked into a Maricopa County jail in Phoenix on 25 counts of kidnapping, sexual assault and trespassing in connection with the assaults that began in June 2006, police announced at a news conference. They said the most recent attack linked to the case occurred June 8 on a 14-year-old girl.

Aceves made an initial appearance Saturday night on charges of aggravated assault, burglary, trespassing, kidnapping, child molestation, sexual abuse, and sexual conduct with a minor. He is being held without bond.

He has a wife, a 7-year-old boy and a 2-year-old girl. Neighbors said he was a "social guy" who enjoyed hanging out on his front patio. He would frequently say hello to everyone passing by, according to the neighbor. He and his family had been living in Chandler for almost two years. Authorities said Aceves worked as a heavy equipment operator.

"Our neighborhoods in Chandler are safer," said Mayor Boyd Dunn. "I want to thank the citizens of Chandler. I know you have been very patient."

Police had been searching for months for a man who raped four girls and attempted to assault two others in the Chandler area.

All of the victims have been girls between the ages of 12 and 15, according to authorities.

Chandler Police Chief Sherry Kiyler said Aceves is an illegal immigrant who was deported twice for drug charges in California in 1999 and 2003.

Police said all of the attacks occurred within a two-mile radius of the suspect's rented home, which is located between two junior high schools.

How Arrest Unfolded

More than 2,000 tips had been received over the past 18 months by the Chandler Police Department and Silent Witness, Kiyler said.

Kiyler said detectives working a saturation patrol Friday morning in the area of the most recent assault spotted a man who matched the description of the suspect and who was driving a white 2-door car that also matched a police description.

The man was released after being questioned, but officers later got a warrant to search his home and obtain his DNA.

He fled when they approached but was captured and the DNA obtained, Kiyler said. That DNA test came back early Saturday with a positive match for several of the sexual assaults.

"We are convinced that this suspect ... is responsible for the multiple assaults in our jurisdiction," Kiyler said. "We are relieved that our community is now a safer place."

Most of the attacks happened in the early morning hours and targeted young girls after adults in the homes had left for work.

One happened in the evening while the girl's grandparents were outside. Other attacks are possible but have not been formally attributed to the same assailant.

Police in Chandler and surrounding cities had been warning young girls and their parents about the rapist since early in 2007. Public forums were held at local schools and a reward of up to $50,000 was posted for information leading to his arrest.

Police described a careful assailant who stalked his victims and their families to identify when the young girls were most vulnerable. He would then strike quickly and apparently had his escape well planned.

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ATTACK TIMELINE:

11/8/07 - 15-year-old reports break-in

6/8/07 - 14-year-old raped

3/23/07 - 13-year-old raped

1/31/07 - 14-year-old raped

1/16/07 - 13-year-old attempted rape

6/4/06 - 12-year-old raped

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Serial rapist and illegal alien was TWICE DEPORTED

http://www.kpho*com/news/15036693/detail.html

Man Is Illegal Immigrant Twice Deported

January 13, 2008

CHANDLER, Ariz. -- A suspect in the sexual assaults of several young girls in Chandler has been arrested and police said Saturday that DNA positively links the man to the case.

Santana Batiz Aceves, 39, was booked into a Maricopa County jail in Phoenix on 25 counts of kidnapping, sexual assault and trespassing in connection with the assaults that began in June 2006, police announced at a news conference. They said the most recent attack linked to the case occurred June 8 on a 14-year-old girl.

Aceves made an initial appearance Saturday night on charges of aggravated assault, burglary, trespassing, kidnapping, child molestation, sexual abuse, and sexual conduct with a minor. He is being held without bond.

He has a wife, a 7-year-old boy and a 2-year-old girl. Neighbors said he was a "social guy" who enjoyed hanging out on his front patio. He would frequently say hello to everyone passing by, according to the neighbor. He and his family had been living in Chandler for almost two years. Authorities said Aceves worked as a heavy equipment operator.

"Our neighborhoods in Chandler are safer," said Mayor Boyd Dunn. "I want to thank the citizens of Chandler. I know you have been very patient."

Police had been searching for months for a man who raped four girls and attempted to assault two others in the Chandler area.

All of the victims have been girls between the ages of 12 and 15, according to authorities.

Chandler Police Chief Sherry Kiyler said Aceves is an illegal immigrant who was deported twice for drug charges in California in 1999 and 2003.

Police said all of the attacks occurred within a two-mile radius of the suspect's rented home, which is located between two junior high schools.

How Arrest Unfolded

More than 2,000 tips had been received over the past 18 months by the Chandler Police Department and Silent Witness, Kiyler said.

Kiyler said detectives working a saturation patrol Friday morning in the area of the most recent assault spotted a man who matched the description of the suspect and who was driving a white 2-door car that also matched a police description.

The man was released after being questioned, but officers later got a warrant to search his home and obtain his DNA.

He fled when they approached but was captured and the DNA obtained, Kiyler said. That DNA test came back early Saturday with a positive match for several of the sexual assaults.

"We are convinced that this suspect ... is responsible for the multiple assaults in our jurisdiction," Kiyler said. "We are relieved that our community is now a safer place."

Most of the attacks happened in the early morning hours and targeted young girls after adults in the homes had left for work.

One happened in the evening while the girl's grandparents were outside. Other attacks are possible but have not been formally attributed to the same assailant.

Police in Chandler and surrounding cities had been warning young girls and their parents about the rapist since early in 2007. Public forums were held at local schools and a reward of up to $50,000 was posted for information leading to his arrest.

Police described a careful assailant who stalked his victims and their families to identify when the young girls were most vulnerable. He would then strike quickly and apparently had his escape well planned.

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ATTACK TIMELINE:

11/8/07 - 15-year-old reports break-in

6/8/07 - 14-year-old raped

3/23/07 - 13-year-old raped

1/31/07 - 14-year-old raped

1/16/07 - 13-year-old attempted rape

6/4/06 - 12-year-old raped

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Don't rape etc
Don't rape etc

http://www.waff*com/story/13598211/illegal-alien-charged-with-rape-in-limestone-county?redirected=true

Illegal immigrant charged with rape in Limestone County

Dec 01, 2010

By Elizabeth Gentle

LIMESTONE COUNTY, AL (WAFF) - Police arrested a man they say had a sexual relationship with an 11-year-old girl for more than a year.

23-year-old Juan Lopez Rios was charged with rape for the crime. Police also say he bit the 11-year-old victim on her chest.

Limestone County Sheriff Mike Blakely calls it a disturbing case of child rape that began over a year ago.

"They would meet, they had a neighbor or relative that had a van. They were meeting regularly," said Blakely

Investigators say the 11-year-old Hispanic girl was having consensual sex with Rios.

Blakely says the girl's mother discovered their relationship when she noticed several deep bite marks on the child's chest.

She filed a police report first thing on Monday morning.

"When he was arrested, he admitted she was 11-years-old, but he didn't know he would go to jail for it," said Blakely.

Rios, who is in this country illegally, was arrested and charged with first degree rape. Alabama law states the age of consent is 16.

Blakely says what disturbs him most isn't the age, but the brutality Rios showed the girl.

"That within itself constitutes a crime even if statutory rape had not occurred," said Blakely.

Don't rape etc
Don't rape etc

http://www.waff*com/story/13281522/illegal-immigrant-accused-of-rape-in-franklin-county?redirected=true

Illegal Immigrant accused of rape in Franklin County

Nov 06, 2010

RED BAY, AL (WAFF)- An illegal immigrant is accused of rape in Franklin County.

Red Bay police arrested Francisco Toto Mejia on Monday. Police said he attacked a woman living in his apartment community.

Investigators said he raped the woman in August, but she was too afraid to come forward.

Mejia is in the Franklin County jail on $20,000 dollars bond.

Don't rape etc
Don't rape etc

http://www2.dothaneagle*com/news/2011/mar/15/2/sheriffs-deputies-arrest-rape-suspect-ar-1584208/

Sheriff's deputies arrest illegal alien rape suspect

By Matt Elofson

Published: March 15, 2011

Evidence returned from a state laboratory helped Houston County Sheriff’s investigators make an arrest in a nearly three-year-old child rape case.

Sheriff Andy Hughes confirmed that deputies arrested Alvaro Rayo Roblero, 31, of Gilley Road, Dothan, on Monday, and charged him with felony first-degree rape.

Court records indicate investigators charged Roblero with the rape of a 15-year-old Slocomb girl by force on June 22, 2008. Records indicate the victim was taken to Flowers Hospital for treatment after the sexual assault.

Investigator Rose Shirley said the arrest was made after investigators recently received information from the state Department of Forensic Sciences that helped them match Roblero to the case.

Roblero was taken to the Houston County Jail and held on a $60,000 bond. If convicted of the class A felony crime of first-degree rape, Roblero faces 10 to 99 years or life in prison.

Hughes said a hold has been placed on Roblero at the Houston County Jail by agents with the U.S. Immigration Customs Enforcement (ICE) because he’s an illegal alien.

Don't rape etc
Don't rape etc

FYI - all these illegals have since been convicted of this gang rape of a white girl from Norway.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews*com/archives/2009/12/three-men-charged-in-rape-of-k.html

Three men charged in rape of kidnapped SMU student

ByScott Goldstein / Reporter

Thu., Dec. 10, 2009

Dallas police have just announced a third arrest in the weekend kidnapping and sexual assault of a 20-year-old Southern Methodist University student athlete.

Luis Zuniga, 26, joins Arturo Arevalo and Alfonso Zuniga, both 28, in the Dallas County Jail today. They are accused of abducting the woman off an Old East Dallas street early Saturday morning, as she left a party with a group of friends.

Police believe the men took the victim to a deserted lot, where they raped and robbed her, before dumping her in South Dallas.

Dallas County Jail records indicate all three men are suspected of being in the U.S. illegally.

Don't rape etc
Don't rape etc

Young rape victim undergoes HIV treatment

Thursday, September 21, 2006

By MIKE PERRY

Staff Reporter

A 5-year-old girl is undergoing treatment for possible HIV infection

after the man charged with raping her -- an illegal alien who was

previously deported to Mexico -- admitted he has the virus,

authorities said.

The case has re-energized some state lawmakers to push for tougher

penalties for people who commit sex crimes and knowingly expose their

victims to HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

Julio Cesar Cruz Martinez, 32, of Fairhope is being held in a

segregated unit at the Baldwin County Corrections Center on charges of

first-degree rape, sexual abuse and sodomy, a jail official said

Wednesday.

Police said Martinez has confessed to some of the acts involving the

girl and to knowing he had HIV before the crime reportedly occurred

Sept. 13.

Officers notified the family immediately after Martinez disclosed his

infection, sheriff's spokesman Lt. John Murphy said.

"The child has been taken to medical services, where she has been

tested and is being given treatment to reduce the risk of the HIV

virus," Murphy said Wednesday.

HIV is a virus that destroys the body's ability to fight off illness

and is the cause of AIDS. People infected with the virus do not have

AIDS until they develop serious symptoms, but they are capable of

transmitting the virus through sexual intercourse, according to the

AIDS dot org Web site.

Martinez has undergone HIV testing at the corrections center to

confirm whether he has the virus, Murphy said. The lab results are

pending and may not be released publicly, he said.

Deputies had questioned Martinez's identity, since he did not provide

valid identification.

Temple Black, spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement,

said Wednesday that Martinez is an illegal alien who has been deported

to Mexico at least once. The department placed an administrative hold

on Martinez -- requiring him to remain jailed -- after identifying him

by photo and fingerprints, Temple said.

If convicted of the rape and other charges, Martinez would serve his

sentence in the U.S. before being returned to Mexico, he said.

Baldwin County District Attorney Judy Newcomb said this week that her

office was looking into whether Martinez should face additional

charges for knowing he had the virus when he allegedly raped the girl.

Newcomb said such crimes typically fall under assault or endangerment

statutes, and she doubted that Alabama had a statute to enhance

charges against someone who knowingly exposed another to HIV or AIDS.

Many U.S. states have laws making it a separate crime for someone to

knowingly expose someone to the virus during a criminal act. But no

such legislation exists in Alabama, a researcher with the Secretary of

State's office confirmed Wednesday.

State Sen. Bradley Byrne, R-Montrose, said he agrees Alabama needs

laws that would make it a crime for someone to knowingly expose

another to the virus while committing a crime, particularly in cases

involving children. Byrne said he plans to push for tougher laws in

the next legislative session.

State Public Health Officer Don Williamson said Alabama needs tougher

laws to criminalize known HIV exposure, but lawmakers should be

careful not to dissuade people from getting tested for the disease.

"The known exposure of another party by somebody who is HIV infected,

without warning them or taking precautions, is immoral and

reprehensible. We need to figure a way to deal with that," Williamson

said.

Lawmakers should be careful to create rehabilitative options for drug

addicts and others at high risk to HIV infection, so that get-tough

laws don't discourage them from getting tested, he said.

"For some people, ignorance of the law is an excuse," Williamson said.

"If they never find out they are infected then they can't be charged

with knowingly exposing somebody."

The Mobile Register

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Don't rape etc

http://www.knoxnews*com/news/2010/jun/18/man-admits-slaying-at-hotel/

Illegal immigrant admits raping, killing Ala.woman; will reveal accomplice

* By Jamie Satterfield

* Knoxville News Sentinel

* Posted June 18, 2010

The illegal immigrant who confessed to raping and killing an Alabama homecoming queen in a West Knoxville hotel room made a vow Thursday to expose his accomplice.

"That is a promise I make to the family (to) give them some peace," Valentino Vasquez Miranda said via an interpreter in Knox County Criminal Court.

Miranda admitted at a hearing Thursday that he used a master key to get inside a sleeping Jennifer Lee Hampton's hotel room at the Days Inn on Lovell Road and then raped and strangled her in September 2008.

As part of a plea deal approved by Judge Bob McGee, Miranda was sentenced to life with the possibility of parole after a mandatory 51-year prison term.

Hampton, 21, was in Knoxville to help train workers at a new Mama Blue's restaurant set to open here. Miranda and girlfriend Rosa Hernandez were living and working at the Days Inn as housekeepers.

Assistant District Attorney Kevin Allen told McGee that the attack on Hampton was a violent one, with guests in an adjoining room reporting a crash against her wall severe enough to shake items in their room. Hampton fought for her life, he said, evidenced by bits of Miranda's flesh under her fingernails.

"The cause of death was strangulation," he said.

Hampton's body was found a week later face-down in Melton Hill Lake near the Solway Bridge. It was Hernandez who led Knoxville Police Department Investigator Steve Still to Miranda after finding his blood-stained clothes, Allen said.

"He told Investigator Still he had a cut on his hand, and that's where all the blood came from," Allen said.

But DNA testing showed the blood belonged to Hampton, he said.

It was DNA testing, however, that led, in part, to Miranda's plea deal.

Allen said testing on Hampton's sweatpants revealed a mixture of three DNA profiles, two of which were from men. One sample matched Miranda's DNA. The other revealed an "unknown male contributor," which authorities suspect was an accomplice, he said. Allen said the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation could not rule out Hampton as a source of the third DNA sample, leaving to speculation whether there was a third suspect in the case.

The TBI compared the unknown DNA profiles to another illegal immigrant who worked with Miranda and Hernandez at the hotel but found no match.

Miranda's plea deal "requires the defendant to submit to a full debriefing, including the identification of (any) others possibly involved," Allen said.

McGee stressed Miranda's promise to serve up the identity of any accomplices as he considered whether to accept the plea deal, noting Miranda must "tell authorities what all went on and identify others involved."

"Do you understand?" McGee asked.

"Yes," Miranda answered.

At a hearing earlier this year, Allen signaled that his office might seek the death penalty in the case. But the Mexican consulate, acting on behalf of Miranda and his family, later questioned whether Miranda was 17 at the time of the slaying rather than the age of 20 as suggested by fake Social Security documents. Under Tennessee and federal law, juveniles cannot be put to death.

To avoid a battle over the issue, Knox County District Attorney General Randy Nichols declined to authorize what's known as a "death notice" to be filed against Miranda.

Spared death and a lifetime behind bars, Miranda still tarried several hours Thursday before inking his plea deal.

Hampton's mother, Cynthia Senn, said she was told Miranda did not want to face her daughter's loved ones. He relented shortly before a 1:30 p.m. deadline.

Attorney Eddie Daniel already won a civil settlement on behalf of the Hampton family from the Days Inn. The terms have been kept under wraps.

Don't rape etc
Don't rape etc

http://www.wsoctv*com/news/13784037/detail.html

Warrants Issued For Arrest Of Man In Multiple Charlotte Rapes

July 30, 2007

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Authorities in Atlanta have a man in custody that is wanted in Charlotte in connection with several unsolved rapes that happened in Dilworth and east Charlotte.

Jose Rivera, 26, was arrested on burglary charges in Charlotte, and then sent to Atlanta where he is being held by Immigration and Customs Enforcement in order to be deported. His deportation is now on hold.

Rivera is accused of attacking three women between April 2004 and September 2005, twice in east Charlotte and once in Dilworth. Police said he talked his way into a victim's home, attacked another outside her apartment and -- wearing only red underwear -- grabbed a jogger who was running alone. The attacker used a weapon in each case.

Authorities said that by October 2005, they had DNA evidence linking the attacks but couldn't identify the attacker. It's unclear what evidence connects Rivera to the attacks, though he was convicted of receiving a stolen vehicle last year and he would have been required to submit a DNA sample as a felon.

Rivera, who's from Honduras, has been jailed at least eight times in Mecklenburg County since 2004, according to records. He was deported in November 2006, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman said.

Rivera faces 16 charges in the three attacks, 14 of which are felonies.

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

Says the white boy living far north of the Border...

Head down to the border communities and spew some of your ignorant shit around down there and see how quickly you get an education.

The Stig
The Stig

All good info to help maintain supply of employees to lowest bidder contractors. We need cheap labor to maintain our yards, pools, replace our roofs and fences, build new houses and sub-divisions, build roads, clean Wal-Mart stores after hours (via sub contractor so Wal-Mart has plausible deniability), wash dishes at our local restaurants, and clean our houses and take care of our kids.The movie "A Day Without a Mexican" while a spoof, was spot on.Until we as a country deal with the hypocrisy of wanting to kick all the illegals out of the country except the ones working at my house, then the issue will continue to be exploited by politicians and served up as a red herring every election cycle to avoid talking about real issues. The GOP throws this raw meat to their most mentally challenged supporters and there seems to a large concentration of them in Arizona.

Chris Danger
Chris Danger

I have to agree, many suburbs around here don't like brown folks of any stripe (African-American, Hispanic, Indian, ect...) Call that the old racist south, as its still here and alive in 2012.

Also,  the above listed rules also make good sense for any and everyone, but to make it simpler, the best rule of thumb is: Dont Be A Jackass. Trust me, you'll have less problems as a whole if you're nice to people...

Don't rape kids either
Don't rape kids either

Also, don't rape children either!

http://www.cullmantimes*com/local/x1241068296/Alleged-child-rapist-arrested-in-Cullman

July 19, 2011Alleged child rapist arrested in Cullman

By Justin Graves The Cullman Times

CULLMAN — An illegal immigrant who law enforcement officials believe to be a child rapist has been brought into custody.

Benito Mezhua, 30, of Cullman, was arrested by the Cullman Police Department at his residence on Brunner St. NW Friday morning. He has been charged with first-degree rape and is currently being held in the Cullman County Detention Center.

Mezhua has been accused of the rape of at least one minor, but investigators have reason to believe there could possibly be more victims.

“Through the investigation, we have reason to believe that,” said Craig Green, assistant chief with Cullman PD. “Through the many interviews that were conducted, the investigation has led us to believe there are more victims, and if so, we encourage them to call the police.”

According to law enforcement officials, Mezhua is an illegal immigrant from Mexico, but he has lived in the Cullman area for the past 11 years.

The initial investigation began when an underage victim and her family filed a report with Cullman PD. The victim was immediately set up with victim services with the Child Advocacy Center.

“She told her family about what happened and then the initial report was made,” Green said. “She was then set up locally and interviewed by victim services. They have people trained to work with kids who were victims of sex crimes.”

After multiple interviews with the victim, Mezhua and other individuals with close ties to the suspect, Cullman PD investigator Gene Bates concluded his investigation with the arrest of Mezhua Friday morning.

Mezhua was also administered a polygraph test, with his consent, prior to the arrest.

Bates said Cullman PD worked closely with Martha Williams at the Cullman County district attorney’s office throughout the investigation.

“We remained in contact with the DA’s office with the specifics of the case,” Bates said. “Based on the information we gathered through the investigation, we believe this is a solid case.”

Don't rape or murder either
Don't rape or murder either

Also, don't rape and kill anyone!

Illegal alien accused of raping women with special needs

‎La'Tasha Givens Reporting KFOR-TVJuly 15, 2011

EDMOND, Okla. -- A man who is in this country illegally is accused of sexually assaulting two women with special needs. Gynda Chu with Edmond Police Department says, "He thought he could prey on these women and their voice would not be heard, but he was very wrong."

Chu is talking about 40-year-old Esteban Martinez.

Police say he assaulted two women, who have special needs, while they were working. 

In the first case, dating back to June, investigators say he went to an Edmond Goodwill and approached the victim.

The report states, "he stuck his hand up her shirt, touching her breasts, then he put his hand down her pants and penetrated her." 

Police say weeks later he assaulted an employee at EARC thrift store.

In that case, the victim told police that Martinez, "put his arms around her waist and pushed his body against hers."

She says he then, "grabbed her butt and said, 'Do you like this?'" 

Police say Martinez came by the thrift stores where the two victims worked several times a week.

"It's just amazing that this happened in broad daylight in a place of work. He assaulted these women and he thought he could get away with it," Chu says.

Both women told their bosses immediately after the assaults and were able to identify Martinez by a photo. 

Investigators say the victims were very shaken up by the assaults but they were brave enough to tell someone what happened to them; that bravery is what helped officers file the necessary charges.

Martinez is charged with first-degree rape by instrumentation.

We are unsure if he has a previous criminal background.

Police say Martinez is an illegal immigrant and the Immigration and Naturalization Service has placed him on hold.

http://www.kfor*com/news/local/kfor-illegal-alien-accused-of-raping-women-with-special-needs-20110715,0,5145648.story

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Confession in rape, killing spurs hearing

July 28, 2011

ALBION — Testimony continued Wednesday in Orleans County Court on the admissibility of a confession by an illegal immigrant accused of raping and strangling his sister-in-law Jan. 15.

Carlos Cardenas, 21, of East State Street, signed the document in February, saying he accidentally strangled Katherine “Katy” Sanchez, 15, after they had consensual sex and she threatened to tell his wife, Kimberly.

“The purpose of the whole hearing is to determine whether the confession is voluntary,” District Attorney Joseph Cardone said. “We feel it was voluntary and will be admitted into trial.”

Cardenas, a Mexican citizen, was not immediately charged in the death and was being held as an illegal alien after a traffic stop in the Town of Holley on Feb. 13, when he was charged with driving while intoxicated. Holley Officer Karol Hughes testified July 1 that Cardenas said he was an illegal alien and authorities were called to process him.

At Wednesday’s hearing, agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol testified that none of them knew of Cardenas’ possible connection to the slaying.

Sammy Diaz, a Border Patrol agent, said Cardenas was processed for an administrative case, meaning there were no outstanding criminal cases against him and he would be returned to Mexico.

Agent Alvi Castro said authorities were contacted Feb. 16 by state police to move Cardenas from Wayne County Jail to Genesee County for questioning.

Castro said that two days later, he was asked for help in taking Cardenas to an orchard near Albion, where Cardenas said he had buried the victim. He said that with directions from Cardenas, investigators found the body.

http://www.buffalonews*com/city/communities/southern-tier/article503783.ece

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Jury convicts man of raping two women

July 20, 2011 - By VIK JOLLY

SANTA ANA – An Orange County jury Wednesday convicted a dry-cleaning store manager of raping two women about nine months apart, one of them a minor he supervised.

The jury of eight women and four men deliberated for nearly two days before finding Jaime Zamora Ramirez, 42, of Costa Mesa guilty of two felony counts of forcible rape with a sentencing enhancement allegation for forcibly raping multiple victims.

He faces a maximum of 140 years to life in prison for the rapes in 2008 and 2009 at his Aug. 17 sentencing by Orange County Superior Court Judge Kazuharu Makino.

Deputy District Attorney Jennifer Walker said in her closing arguments that Ramirez showed a similar pattern in raping the women, assuming that he had gotten away with the first sexual assault.

" 'I've already gotten away with the first (rape),' " Ramirez thought, Walker told jurors. " 'No one's going to believe (the second victim), like no one's believed (the first).' "

The 17-year-old he raped, prosecutors said, was an illegal immigrant from Mexico whom he supervised at First Class Cleaners in Fountain Valley.

Walker told jurors that the women, who didn't know each other, had nothing to gain by accusing Ramirez of rape.

The minor, the prosecutor said, was "a child in another country" who knew what the consequence of reporting her boss was, even as she needed a job.

In the Oct. 12, 2008, incident, Ramirez knocked on the door of a friend's apartment in Anaheim and asked for a beer. After briefly walking away, he returned to the woman's apartment, forced her onto a bed and raped her.

In the second rape, on July 11, 2009, Ramirez told a co-worker to have the minor employee help with "special deliveries," prosecutors said.

He then told the co-worker to drive the teen to his Costa Mesa home to pick up some paperwork after the day's deliveries.

Once at his home, Ramirez lured the girl into his room, locked the door and raped her.

Ramirez faces a sentencing enhancement for an earlier Orange County strike conviction for vehicular manslaughter in 1992.

Makino has the discretion not to sentence him for that strike. The minimum prison term Ramirez could receive is 50 years to life in prison.

http://articles.ocregister*com/2011-07-20/news/29800235_1_ramirez-s-defense-attorney-jury-convicts-man-jaime-zamora-ramirez

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Illegal Immigrant Accused of Attempted Murder

Monday, 08 Aug 2011

PHOENIX - A 30-year-old man has been arrested for attempted murder after police say he shot a man during a fight.

Juan Pablo Mateo-Monzon has been booked into jail on second degree attempted murder, prohibited possessor of a weapon, and forgery charges.

Mateo-Monzon is also accused of being in the United States illegally.

Early Sunday morning, Mateo-Monzon allegedly shot the victim, Everardo Lopez-Esquivel, in the head.

The two were inside Mateo-Monzon's Phoenix apartment and apparently got into a fight. Eyewitnesses told police that the victim attacked him with his fists and they separated the two. Then, Mateo-Monzon went into another room and came out with a .357 handgun.

The suspect allegedly then shot the victim in the head at close range. He told detectives he "had been drinking and was possessed by rage because the victim hit him and insulted him for no apparent reason."

Mateo-Monzon says he fired the gun at the victim in an attempt to scare him -- but did not call 911 because he was afraid -- and hid the gun in the kitchen.

According to court documents, Mateo-Monzon is from Guatemala and entered the U.S. illegally 11 years ago by paying a smuggler $4,000. He admitted he uses a false name, Fabian Topete, for work purposes and that he purchased the name for $300 a few years ago.

Police believe the victim will not survive his head injury, which means the charges would be upgraded to second degree murder after he dies.

http://www.myfoxphoenix*com/dpp/news/crime/illegal-immigrant-accused-of-attempted-murder-8-8-2011

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin

Seems to me that most of the things that get illegals arrested and deported also get everyone else arrested too.  the main difference being that legal citizens get to stay.  I dont see a problem with this. 

Don't rape
Don't rape

Also, don't gang-rape anyone!

http://www.dallasnews*com/news/community-news/dallas/headlines/20101215-smu-victim-of-gang-rape-tells-jurors-man-on-trial-was-the-worst-one.eceSMU victim of gang rape tells jurors man on trial was 'the worst one'

By JENNIFER EMILY / The Dallas Morning News jemily@dallasnews.com

Published: 15 December 2010 07:28 AM

 

A 21-year-old SMU exchange student bravely testified Tuesday that she was abducted off an Old East Dallas street last year and gang-raped by three men.

But, she said, that wasn't the worst part of her ordeal. She said that occurred when the man currently on trial in the assault made her kiss him repeatedly as she sat on his lap.

"That was the worst part for me," the woman told jurors. She said Arturo Arevalo told her to "look into my eyes" as he kissed her mouth and face.

The woman, who is not being identified because The Dallas Morning News does not typically identify victims of sex crimes, had been to a party that night in December 2009. She was about to get into a friend's car when three men pulled her into their SUV. They eventually released her near Fair Park, barefoot and naked with duct tape over her eyes.

Arevalo, 29, sat looking ahead as she testified, listening through headphones as an interpreter translated her words into Spanish. His attorneys, Jeff Boncek and Nicholas Mazik, say the evidence connecting their client to the case is "minuscule."

Arevalo was deported to Mexico days after being arrested in a 2001 Dallas theft case. That deportation is one of many over the last several years in which foreign defendants awaiting trial in Dallas County crimes, including violent ones, were deported, only to be set free in their home countries.

The woman testified that Arevalo was "the worst one" of the three men who assaulted her. She said he raped her the longest. She identified him in court when questioned by prosecutors Erin Hendricks and Brandon Birmingham, saying she recognized him by "his face, his hair, his eyes."

The trials of co-defendants Luis Zuniga and Alfonso Zuniga are pending. All three men could face life in prison if convicted. Luis Zuniga is expected to testify against Arevalo, his cousin by marriage, possibly today.

The woman said the rapes were painful, "but at the same time, I didn't feel much." She said she almost felt separate from what was happening to her.

The woman said she was most afraid that she would be shot, so she focused on keeping track of where the assailants' gun was during the ordeal.

She also testified that she was afraid to seek help after the men released her because she feared that they would return or that someone else would rape her. The night was cold, and she had only her dress, which the men threw out of the vehicle.

She said she finally knocked on doors and screamed for help, to no avail. She stood in the middle of the street, pleading for help. But cars swerved around her.

When she was finally found by an undercover police officer, she was still afraid.

"I remember I was rude," she said. "I said, 'You'll rape me, too.' "

The officer testified Tuesday that the woman "stood out," describing her as barefoot and wearing a party dress. Her knees were red, he said, and she had mangled duct tape in her hair.

He said he got out of his unmarked car and showed his police badge, but that didn't calm her.

"She was hysterical, asking me to stay away," he testified.

The officer said he gave the woman his coat and backed away because "I didn't want to cause any further panic."

He called for other officers and an ambulance. When a patrol car arrived, the woman got in and, the officer said, he asked her what had happened.

"She said, 'They did everything to me.' "

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Dallas Morning News

December 14, 2010

'They did everything to me,' victim of gang rape told Dallas police

By JENNIFER EMILY / The Dallas Morning Newsjemily@dallasnews.com

Dallas police officers this morning described a frantic search for a Southern Methodist University student who was abducted and raped a year ago.

Their testimony came in the trial of Arturo Arevalo, one of three men accused in the sex crime. The trials of co-defendants Luis Zuniga and Alfonso Zuniga are pending. All three could face life in prison if convicted.

The 20-year-old victim was grabbed at gunpoint last December and dragged into an SUV as she was about to get into a friend’s car near Garrett and Ross Avenues, where she was leaving a party.

Police said her three abductors forced her to have sex with them, then drove her to Fair Park, covered her eyes with duct tape, pushed her out of their vehicle and told her to run.

She was found by an undercover police officer near Fair Park.

"She stood out," the officer testified, describing her as barefoot and wearing a party dress. Her knees were red, he said, and she had mangled duct tape in her hair.

"She didn't look good," the officer told jurors.

He said he got out of his unmarked car and showed the woman his police badge.

"She was hysterical, asking me to stay away," he testified.

He said he gave the woman his coat and backed away.

"I didn't want to cause any further panic," he said.

He called for other police officers and an ambulance.

When a patrol car arrived, the woman got in, the officer said, and he asked her what had happened.

"She said, 'They did everything to me,'" he testified.

The woman is expected to testify against Arevalo.

Arevalo was deported to Mexico days after being arrested in a 2001 Dallas theft case. That deportation is one of many over the last several years in which foreign defendants awaiting trial for crimes in Dallas County, including violent crimes, were deported, only to be set free in their home countries.

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

I have to get the feeling that if a more conservative author wrote this article, this publication would be accusing the author of saying that Mexicans:

-  Drive broke down, crappy cars-  Break traffic laws-  Drive under the influence-  Commit Spousal abuse

Nice, guys.  How does it feel to be on the other end of the "Racist" claim?

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

Wow, Brantley.  You are really moving up in the world.  I thought you were a staff writer for the Observer, but in reality you are a serious political player who sat in on the discussions within committee in the Arizona State Legislature.

How else could you have ascertained that the law is "designed to do little other than line the pockets of private-prison operator Corrections Corporation of America by filling its detention facilities."?

What?  You don't really KNOW that?  Your article would have stood up just as well without that comment.

Jay
Jay

Why don't we just adopt Mexico's immigration laws:

– Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country (see, for example, President Obama’s illegal alien aunt — a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim).

– Law enforcement officials at all levels — by national mandate — must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens’ arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

Mike3647
Mike3647

I wish I could pick and choose which laws to abide.  Or have some clueless intern write a stupid blog story about how to avoid getting caught.

HEY YOU, IN THE BACK
HEY YOU, IN THE BACK

"Because the illegal immigrants in the US are breaking the law!"- Drunk guy tweeting about immigrants while driving 80 mph in a 50 mph zone.

gooderisbetter
gooderisbetter

Definitely don't want to go around any tax paying, law abiding citizens. The thought scares the beejeebus outta me, even contemplating it! Thanks for your erudite, well reasoned post. It's nice to know, some folks, don't make outlandish, unreasoned, totally irrational post on here.

Lucas Beauchamp
Lucas Beauchamp

Racist south, Racist Irving, Carrollton, and Farmers Branch, ...

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the economics associated with the increasing densities and declining tax bases of lower socioeconomic enclaves and then come up with a legitimate proposal for righting those cities' financial dilemmas. 

BTW, similar reactions to these problems are not restricted to the south.

RTGolden
RTGolden

I can't imagine what point you're trying to prove here:  All rapists are illegal aliens or if you're just trying to expound on Brantley's suggestions for what illegal aliens shouldn't do if they don't want to get deported.

If it is the first, try reading this:

http://www.gainesville.com/art...

(also note, as someone said before, links work on disqus, and take up a lot less space than you copying and pasting an entire news story)

RTGolden
RTGolden

The Observer can't be racist, some of their readers are of Hispanic descent!

Not Buffy, the vampire slayer
Not Buffy, the vampire slayer

OMG! You should expand your horizons and read more! Who DOESN'T know that SB 1070 was created for purposes of lining the pockets of that private prison operator, Corrections Corporation of America. The you-say-your-bipartisan ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) just loves them some state senate Republican named Russell Pearce. Sen. Pearce is BFFs to the one and only Gov."I felt threatened by Pres. Obama on the tarmak" Brewer. ALEC's, legislative members have way more PEEPs than its private members, which makes legislators way more popular and the ones ALEC wants to get with in a bad way. In fact, Pearce is an executive member of ALEC’s Public Safety and Elections Task Force (I'm guessing they're endorsers/donors too). But more interesting is one of ALEC's private members? Wait for it...Corrections Corporation of America. The very CCA that stands to gain in a sketch financial way, by crafting suspicious prose named SB 1070.

Max from the Sandspit
Max from the Sandspit

Ahh come on, the boy is now a paid hack for Media Matters and the Pacific Institute.

RTGolden
RTGolden

While I am one to agree that illegal immigration is a problem this country needs to get a handle on (but on both borders, and all the coastlines, not just the US-Mexico border), even suggesting that we 'do it like Mexico does it', puts a capital 'S' on stupid.

We have a domestic, governmental legal problem to solve.  The last place we should look for a solution is in a government that is nothing but domestic legal problems.  The simplest solution to our illegal immigration problem is to simply take what we have on the books and actively enforce it.  Of course, how do we do that? How do we define an "American" in such a way that your average yokel cop can immediately distinguish between a dastardly illegal and a law-abiding, Constitutionally protected citizen?  Which of your inalienable rights are you willing to give up in order to allow random searches and ID checks?  Are you willing to let ICE come into your home and turn over the couch cushions looking for a less than legal Juan, Ping, Sven or Mugabe?  Would it be alright if we set up an ID check along your route to work.  Sure, it might inconvenience 10 or 10,000 people during rush hour, but we might catch an illegal while we're at it.  Also, incidental to all this strict enforcement, we're going to have either raise taxes like holy hell, or, after we interrupt your dinner and turn your house inside out, bill you for the time and expense incurred while trampling your constitutional rights.  Enforcement has to get paid for somehow.

You really want to see something happen to fix illegal immigration?  Make it a Federal Offense, wittingly or not, to allow to work on your property at any time, for any reason, an undocumented immigrant. This means, YOU, the homeowner, are liable when your plumber, carpenter, electrician, AC company, yard maintenance etc bring illegals onto your property.  I say a $150,000 fine/per occurance and 2-year mandatory hard time sentence would be a reasonable punishment.

MattL1
MattL1

You're welcome.  It's nice to feel appreciated.

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

Good point.  Google "Sunset Towns" and see how many of them are up North...

Chris Danger
Chris Danger

Here's an idea: Don't stop someone with darker skin and surround them with five cop cars if they have a damaged tail light. How many brothers or latin dudes do you know that'll go "hulk" if one cop stops them?? Thats just blatant racism man in my eyes..

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

Wow.  Another local in on the inside decisions of the Arizona legislature.

I have no problem criticizing or disagreeing with a decision.  It is intellectually disingenuous, however, to presume knowledge of motives and base your criticism on those assumptions.  It is also, IMHO, the sign of a lazy mind.

Carry on.

Jay
Jay

You resort to name calling in the opening paragraph, then follow up with a straw man argument imagining a federal police state if our government enforces immigration laws. You conclude with a poorly thought-out proposal for imposing criminal penalties on homeowners who hire plumbers. You seem to have it all figured out.

You failed to realize that the Mexican laws I mentioned concerning illegal immigrations are very similar to ours. They just choose to more strictly enforce their laws, cooperate locally and nationally, and they impose harsher penalties.

 

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

Because we all know that the entire DPD is made up of redneck white guys...

Oh, wait...

Never mind that, though.  Don't let facts get in the way of a good generalization, Chris.

gooderisbetter
gooderisbetter

Go and say that in East Dallas...you'll be scoffed at. Provincial bunch over there.

Not Buffy, the vampire slayer
Not Buffy, the vampire slayer

It is intellectually presumptuous to assume someone is intellectually disingenuous when he/she posts a response to your comment regarding locals and their level of entree to decisions made by the Arizona legislature. 

Your assumption that something is "intellectually disingenuous" has to be based on something, since 'something' can't exist in 'nothing.' With that said, the basis of your assumption is that someone is a "local" and has no knowledge of the inner workings of the .Arizona Leg. is based on...?

And P.S. PlanoDave, the modern world is a commuter one filled with a plethora of transient populations who live in dual cities or move to/travel from city-to-city state-to-state, country-to-country. Moreover, the world is no longer flat. Thanks to technology - like computers and the increased access to the Internet, people can live in Cleveland, Ohio, Honolulu, Hawaii, Buffalo, New York, the Czech Republic - even Phoenix, Arizona, and type in www.dallasobserver.com and land on the ...Dallas Observer website.

I can only - key word here - THEORIZE - that you, PlanoDave, have never been outside the walls of your town.

Tony Bulver
Tony Bulver

Yeah, you might have "walked across the border into Tijuana once, unchallenged", but did you try to go beyond the 15 km free zone without a Mexican visa?

Jay
Jay

From what I've read Brantley, Mexico seems much more concerned with illegal immigration from their southern border than their northern border. Just like the US.

Brantley Hargrove
Brantley Hargrove

 Are you really saying Mexico is tough on illegal immigration? I walked across the border into Tijuana once, unchallenged. They may be on the books, but they weren't enforcing them.

RTGolden
RTGolden

I'm glad you at least read my post, even if you didn't get it.  I'm not calling names in my opening, I'm pointing out the absurdity of patterning any of our governmental policy after Mexico.

I don't present a straw man argument.  I basically proposed the same thing you do, enforcing the laws on our books, and then I questioned the practicality of carrying it out.  How do you tell, on the street, the difference between an american born hispanic and a hispanic who is here illegally? You can't.  The same goes for african americans and africans, asian americans and asians, or even an illegally present german and myself.  It is one thing to point out that something needs fixing, and a totally different thing to actually fix it.  In hypothetical situations (and face it, fixing immigration policy in this country is purely hypothetical at this point) it is always more prudent to identify your worst-case scenario and plan for that.  In the current bruhaha in Arizona, what I pointed out is not straw-man nor hypothetical.  They are stopping US citizens for no other reason than to check their ID, because they happen to resemble Mexican citizens here illegally.  

In my 'solution', if you didn't recognize the sarcasm, well, I'm sorry.  I was hoping to illuminate through example how absurd a simplistic approach to this problem has become.

Fear not though, despite having the biggest economy in the world, Washington and Wall Street are striving to make America as striated a society as Mexico, I guess in the hopes that all the illegal immigrants and a large portion of our own population decide to illegally immigrate to Canada.

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