Korean Shamrock Owner Accused of Racism Could Improve His Luck by Talking

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Still can't get past the lawyer for the owner of the boycotted Shamrock gas station I wrote about yesterday. Busy. Says he'll call me back later. I called him this morning to say I still need to hear the owner's side.

Here's my problem. Yesterday the lawyer wouldn't or could not get the owner to talk to me, so I wrote based on what I heard from picketers outside this gas station/convenience store at Harwood Street and MLK Boulevard in South Dallas.

Many of the picketers were people I have known for years and respect. They say the owner is a Korean bigot who calls his own African-American customers "broke-ass niggers," according to today's issue of The Final Call, Louis Farrakhan's newspaper, where this makes "national news." If that's true, the owner has, among other things, an unusual fluency in the vernacular.

What worries me is that I have learned since then that this protest is part of a larger mobilization against foreign- or immigrant-owned businesses in southern Dallas.

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The store owner, standing behind his attorney
The Rev. Ronald Wright, one of the organizers, was adamant in stating yesterday that the movement is not anti-Korean but aimed only at racist business-owners. But the movement also has as one of its stated goals opening up business opportunities for southern Dallas residents. I'm sorry, but that's what Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price said he was doing when he was sabotaging the Inland Port development -- the single biggest economic opportunity ever to present itself to southern Dallas.

In Price's mentality there is a core misconception about wealth. People don't get business opportunities from politics. That's not how it works. You get a business by wading in yourself and making it happen against all odds. How much balls does it take for a Korean immigrant who barely speaks English to set up shop in an area where there are gun-toters and crack-heads prowling the alleys? A lot of balls, that's how much.

That's how somebody creates wealth for himself when he has nothing, is not welcomed by anyone and has no connections in high places. He goes in and digs it out of the bitter earth with his own two hands. To do that, yeah, you have to be very tough. It's a job for John Wayne.

This is not to say that there isn't a racism problem with some of these folks. The worst racism I have ever heard in my life was from an Eastern European immigrant cab driver in Manhattan -- so bad we had to say, "Stop the damn cab and let us out."

We beat ourselves up in this country about racism, but the fact is that we have made a lot more progress than people in many other parts of the world. When they move here, we have to make sure they get up to speed with us rather than dragging us back to where they came from.

There are two sides to this story. The guy who owns the Shamrock needs to get out from behind that lawyer and tell his side. I'm all ears.

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fortworthtx
fortworthtx

This is pretty simple here.  Guy tried to rob a store.  Thats taking money away from the business owner, money he needs to pay his bills and feed his family.  Totally justified shooting.  He was protecting himself, his belongings, and his livelihood.  Nothing more than, I wish the blacks wouldn't always jump to racism.   

Ramses24-7
Ramses24-7

I live and work in this community, and HONESTLY, on the BIBLE, Ima tell the truth cause GOD didnt make one better than the other. Ive been in and shopped in this store, The workers have never disrespected me & I believe the folk protesting is tryna blow this up to make it seem like koreans hate us. As as TRUE Christian Im sad that any preacher "says" they stands up for unity and humanity  is in agreement with this. We are tryna "BULLY" & "FORCE" a minority group out our area.....we doing what used to happen to us??? Now anyone in their right mind KNOWS if one of the koreans really said anything close to what is being accused of  in a prodominatley all black community, they would be beat down, shot, and killed. We quick enough to kill ourselves over less actions. They filmed on thier cell phones everything else but NONE OF THE RACIAL SLURS. If you dont like them, dont shop there! You cant force my decision or other people who aint bothered by them, to not shop there. If all you were claiming they say was true, not one Korean would be still functioning as a business owner as long as they have been here! If thier business closes let it be because to many people stop shopping there on their own accord... not by falsely accusing other folks. I seen the videos of ALL the other places yall walked into to be a busybody, theres plently of other places to get gas and hair, just go somewhere else.

Guest
Guest

"The customer, complaining that the price of gas at the station was much higher than at other stations, demanded he be able to buy gas by smaller amounts than what the owner set as the minimum sales unit. The owner refused and told him to go to another station, to which the customer responded by telling the owner to go back to his country. The owner responded by telling the customer to go back to Africa."http://newamericamedia.org/201...

Oh.. Wait

*"Go back to your country!" = Perfectly fine. He's just a slanty-eyed chink, after all. He deserves it.

*"Go back to Africa!" = WHAT?! WHAT DID HE SAY?! RACIST!! RACIST!

toracist
toracist

Someone says "Go back to yourorigin" to a US Citizen,

that can be a RACIST BEHAVIOR.

 

The Black guy and Korean guy both saidthat way,

the two guys look all screwed up raciststo me.

 

Funny thing is that Black guy considersonly himself as the Victim.

Even the guy is not aware of what hesaid first - "Go Back to your country",

and the fact is telling that himself isthe MOST RACIST.

 

Stop Racism! you both are stupid. I'mashamed as a Korean and

this incident seems only from the twoguys screwed up behavior for money.

 

Don't try to generalize and stop tryingto get big deal out of nothing

for bullshitting the other color.

 

A Black guy can be your life saver,

 

a Korean guy can be your life saver.

 

There are always good people bad peopletogether in a race.

 

As you start generalizing a race, thatmeans you're making out

a reason to kill the group of people foryour own convenience

and THAT IS THE MOST RACISM.

 

We have the holocaust in historyresulted by the thought of the protestors in this incidence.

 

Stop your Racism!!!

Middleoftheroad
Middleoftheroad

http://caseylartigue.blogspot....

I really want to get a hold of this book "SCAM How the Black Leadership exploits Black America" through shit we're right now" by Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson. 

Now, if you don't like either the service or the price of a particular establishment, I suggest you take your business elsewhere.  

Kochigachi
Kochigachi

All I see is Black people whining, this shop owner have every right to accept or deny anyone who enters his shop, that's his property. If he refuses to sell product then that's he's decision. Nation Islam is making themselves looking extremely stupid, if you don't like the shop then you never revisit that shop again. simple as that, you can only complain when shop sells faulty product/service that you've paid for.

it is said
it is said

Do you really believe that a business owner who WANTS to make money would actually insult his client base (black people)? 

gumiho
gumiho

Same thing going on in Detroit-a Korean storeowner was murdered recently over hair extensions-another Korean storeowner had several of these ferals smash through the cement block wall of his store to steal...hair extensions. Middle easterners are being murdered for the 'crime' of attempting to run a business in the jungle also.

guess
guess

common sense; you must be crazy by saying broken ass-chink in chinatown, while being a black store owner, and most your customer are chinese.

Korean
Korean

I don't think the korean owner called the black customer "broke-ass niggers"I am a korean who have been in Canada for more than 10 years.Most Koreans living in Canada and USA have a problem in English.Old koreans like the owner even don't know what "broke-ass" means.Ask any koreans if they know what it means and if they have used it in any situation.Koreans never use  "broke-ass" even if they are mad because simply they don't know what it means before they look at the dictionary.

Also, Koreans have a problem to pronounce "r" and "l". I even don't think the owner called him "nigger" why? because it is hard to pronouce it. why did he have to say some words hard to pronounce in that kind of situation?

When old koreans speak in English, they don't use "S" for plural nouns. Koreans don't use plural nouns very often when they speak korean and same as English. Koreans don't used plural nouns very often. therefore, it is hard to believe that the owener called him "niggerS"

eek da cat
eek da cat

The pastor made the mistake and should've just pushed on.. From what I heard, the minimum purchase to use a card was $10.00. And the pastor complained that the gas was too expensive, so the owner told the customer to simply, "shop elsewhere." This is when this "so-called pastor," ignorantly said, " why don't 'you' go back to 'your' country." Then the owner was wrong for replying with, " why don't you go back to Africa." First of all, if you have taken history in America, then one can say that America was a country taken over by "immigrants." Second, I want to know how old these two immature people are. Come on people. This is 2012. Are ya'll too old for this "he say, she say" nonsense? Both were childish actions. We need to keep in mind and accept the fact that, today's world has no color. We need to figure out ways to collaborate and compromise to attack bigger problems that affect the human race as a whole.

Johnfreyan
Johnfreyan

According to the Korean shopowner, the pastor in question told him "Why don't you go back to your country?" first.  

World Peace
World Peace

Everyone, we need to be careful that this doesn't get out of hand and turn into something like LA Riot.  There are two sides to the story but the more important is that we all need learn little more compassion.  This is a rough neighborhood and store clerk/owner probably learned verbal self-defense from the surroundings.  This is not Korean vs. Black.  This is just a conflict between economical disparity in this nation which is a problem much larger than this store owner or even Dallas county.  Let's not blow this out of proportion.   

Bettyculbreath
Bettyculbreath

I have stopped at that store several times and service was bad,however at the same time customers were making be nervous and I tried to pump gas and leave quick.The man is acting the way his customers make him.Why don't people stop going there if he calls them out of their names.I have made a point of not stopping there because off  service and  dirty with grease.

Dell Cameron
Dell Cameron

You have to be cautious what groups you decide to pick up a sign with. Do the research. You don't want to head out one day with your sign and find out you're standing next to a nazi.

minimark
minimark

I'd like to answer for RTGolden

You say -It seems that you intend to say that the "movement" seeks to open up business opportunities to Black residents - as if that is a bad thing.

No - EVERYONE deserves an opportunity, not just blacks.  Let the best business win!

And then you said -Koreans usually don't support the Black community.  If the Shamrock owner supported the community more, it would probably help him.

OK, and I as white man can say "Blacks are lazy and not good workers so I won't hire them".  Stereotypes of ANY TYPE aren't fair - nor accurate - based on race now, or ever! You could be right, you could wrong in regards to this particular Korean.  But as MLK said - paraphrasing - you should "Judge a man by his character and not the color of his skin".  Take a lesson and don't judge lest you be judged!

it is said
it is said

Do black business owners support the community? Why are Korean business owners singled out for private charity? You don't demand jobs. You go out there and MAKE your own opportunities. 

RTGolden
RTGolden

I appreciate the sentiment, but please just respond for yourself.  As you can see above, I'm capable of accepting and answering critics of my ideas.

trudat
trudat

If I were you, I'd let other people think for themselves.  You may not know everything that it takes to represent other peoples' views. 

Now; you say "EVERYONE deserves an opportunity, not just blacks" as if Blacks are the only ones being allowed to participate in this case.  If that were true, the Koreans wouldn't already have had an opportunity.  Is there anything wrong with giving an opportunity to a Black owned and operated business in that Black community?  Hell No!  But when a group of Black people from the community choose to organize and push for a business institution that they want, many  white folk in Dallas often think this represents some kind of problem.   However, businesses owned by white people in the white community is only "business as it should be" and never deserves a second thought.  So goes the problem...  

Concerning stereotypes about blacks being used to deny jobs to blacks; it happens every day and this Korean case is not the same thing.  The community group has a list of actual things that actually happen at the store that they don't like.

Evidently, the Korean is not providing the people with what they want.  If he was, there would be no problem.

it is said
it is said

Why is it the Korean's job to provide black people with what they want? Do you give people whatever they want? Businesses have a responsibility to respect their customers, but in this case, it's not a matter of respect, but entitlement. If you as a customer don't like the policies of a business, then go elsewhere. 

Really
Really

Exactly, trudat is delusional. In what insane universe do you think ANYONE (regardless of race) has to kowtow to the demands of welfare recipients, poor people or anyone who wants their fuel costs subsidized? You're responsible for yourself and your family, no one else is. Not the state, not a stranger on the street and not the god damn gas station owner. I'd play the worlds smallest violin for you but then I might have a protest asking me to give it up for the black people to play with.

Trudat: Are you honestly saying that the Korean is not providing what the community wants on the basis that there's a protest at all? What if the community wanted free fuel and wants to protest over it? Is that fair? Is that what the Korean should do to make the protests stop? You act as if the people are always right, in this case they're clearly wrong.

trudat
trudat

JS;

Just because Commissioner Price said it does not make it wrong.  Business opportunities can depend on politics and politics can depend on business opportunities.  As a matter of fact; a number of social scientist talk continuously about a concept called "political economy".   And by the way, your charges that the Commissioner has sabotaged the biggest economic opportunity to ever be presented to South Dallas has always seemed to be long on personal opinion and short on facts.

What we have with the Shamrock case is simple marketplace activity.  True enough; this includes factors related to culture, economy, politics,  etc.  If the Koreans can't serve the customers in that area like they want to be served, they need to get in business someplace else.  That's the it workway s. It's that simple

RTGolden
RTGolden

Actually you misunderstand marketplace activity.  If the customers in that area don't like the way THIS Korean is serving them, they need to find another store to get their items at.  As long as demand is there and the store owner is making a profitable run, why would he move someplace else?  If demand vanishes, and profits dry up, the business will fold or move.  That is the way it works.  It's THAT simple.

trudat
trudat

You make the myopic? error of omitting the options available to the demand part of the equation.  Customers don't have to just bend over and "take it".  The community can always use any number of totally legal tactics and strategies to get what it wants.  You may not like the one being used by the residents of South Dallas but it is legal under our current government.  Sometimes, demand can turn into backlash that will make it prudent to move on.....and if you want to get into the details, it is a little more than simple - but it still works like that...

Really
Really

You're through with it because your exchange was garbage. You're clueless. Customers don't have to bend over, they're free to not shop there and he's free to price his gas and set his policies the way he sees fit as long as he's not running afoul of the law. You're a psychopath if you think he has to accede to their every whim or he's not doing his job correctly, again if everyone wanted free gas is he wrong unless he gives it to them?

trudat
trudat

It is an error because you failed to mention it until I brought it up.  And here's another thing; money (or profit) is not the only thing..any half creative person can think of good reasons to withdraw from a business endeavor other than profits.  If you don't believe me; keep living so that you can learn some more..but  any way; the fat lady is singing...the profits are drying up...let us wait and see how long the Shamrock stays open under that owner...I am through with this exchange.

RTGolden
RTGolden

It's not an error, myopic or not.  Supply and demand, over simplified, works the way I describe it.  Any of the various methods or tactics used by the demand side of the equation have to achieve the same goal of reducing profits.  You're correct that there are numerous tactics demand side can use, but unless that tactic impacts profit margins, the business owner will dig in and wait it out.  They can use protest, community involvement, the courts, media pressure, or municipal meddling, but they must impact profits if they want to make a difference.  In business, profits are what matters.  Might not be ideal, but it's real.

Guest
Guest

And by the way, your charges that the Commissioner has sabotaged the biggest economic opportunity to ever be presented to South Dallas has always seemed to be long on personal opinion and short on facts.

But only if you ignore the facts.

trudat
trudat

...you mean the opinions...

Guest
Guest

Obviously not.

trudat
trudat

...why don't you try that, it'll help you more than it'll help me...

Guest
Guest

There were plenty of opinions offered, sure. But there are plenty of facts, too. Unless you're suggesting that pointing out Price's opinions is just an opinion itself.

Get a lucid friend with reading ability and go back and read the stories about the inland port. Maybe keep a dictionary nearby with the "fact" and "opinion" pages marked. Go through and make a list of "facts" and "opinions" and see if your lists match (and that each matches the definition in the dictionary). When your friends list has so many facts that you listed as opinion, have him slowly explain to you where you went wrong.

Guest
Guest

If they want to increase black opportunity in South Dallas, they could start by coming up with a business to put in the empty theater across the street.

Bmarvel
Bmarvel

Jim,This is more or less the story you should have posted day one.  The speed and ravenous appetite of the blog world forces reporters and commenters alike -- including, many times, this one -- to shoot before there's any ammo in the chamber. It's the nature of the beast, I guess. But nothing any of us can take pride in.

JimS
JimS

I disagree. This story needed some blog-push to get out there. As with any real story, it morphs as it emerges. That's legitmate. Blogs push. That's good. Good journalism stirs the pot. 

Bmarvel
Bmarvel

In the old days, Jim, what you call blog-pushing we called reporting.

Oak Cliff Townie
Oak Cliff Townie

So who did this Man from Korea outbid to get this location ?Were there enough folks wanting it to have some kind of competition for this place to make a go of being a small  business ?I am sure there are local folks who are well connected at city hall that could get the city to bank roll / TIF any local entrepreneur  of that area who wanted to do this .Just like a lot of businesses do . Lets not forget forward thinking people have created programs to help folks get started .Aren't the Bill Priest  Business Incubation center and maybe even the  South Dallas Development Corporation still around ?

JimS
JimS

Received this late today:Mr. Jim Schutze,I am deeply surprised some have falsely accused me of being insensitive to a customer.  This could not be further from the truth.  I have operated the Shamrock station for approximately 10 years and have never faced this type of complaint.  If there is a valid concern, I want to work to ensure it is addressed appropriately and in a peaceful manner.  I only wish to serve my customers to the best of my ability.Mr. Thomas Pak, Kwik Stop # 9, Shamrock Gas Station

sandra crenshaw
sandra crenshaw

To: jfpo  The issue has come up here in the past 20 years and resolved the Dallas way. Hire some black clerks. I would not be surprised if this owner has become so common with his regular black customers, he had no fear or apprehension in calling a black man the n word because the current black generation has chosen to debunk the word by making it an endearing term and we do have a popular song that refers to "broke niggah"  Yesterday ,a blogger commented that Koreans work hard to put businesses in the black community and then work hard to keep blacks from robbing them blind. ( If I am correct, the Handsome Bank Robber was white and let's not forget white collar crime, uh like in Savings and Loans.  I 'll accept the insult if the blogger will retract and say, blacks are more often petty thieves  and whites steal millions and rob this nation bllind under the auspices of the law.

Others want to know why blacks don't just buy elswhere. Poor black people accept their plight as a way of life. The higher socio economic blacks do not buy in these stores. Robert Pitre, who has had a business in South Dallas for years, protested for as many years that banks do not make business development loans in southern Dallas to blacks. Koreans come here with their own financing. Their culture bands together for survival, much like blacks did post slavery. We owned the stores in our communities then. but after integration and access to better jobs, black entrpreneriual spirit dried up.  I lament that blacks don't pool their money but it is a byproduct of self hate and psychological damages from slavery.   In some businesses like wigs and added glamour, Asians have a monopoly on the market, it is their culture's human hair that blacks desire to purchase and they wholesale only to each other.  Most have agreed to hire black clerks and strive for good customer service. So we shop there but it doesn't give the Asians the right to take advantage of the captive patrons and under no circumstances does it give them right to disrespect blacks that choose to shop in their busineses or take the law into their hands when they are robbed. I didn't see white bank clerks running after Handsom Bandit because they are trained not. Higher prices in these areas are tolerated to cut the loss, Brother Muhammed, does not dress like a thug, act like a thug, or talk like a thug and he's not a youngster and he did not deserve to be insulted. The Koreans will just have learn the difference.

james
james

'taking the law in their own hands'?? do you mean protecting their own property? since the dpd isn't going to help storeowners with petty theft anymore...state las allows them to use force, but not deadly force to protect their property during daytime. after dark, deadly force is authorized by state law.

RTGolden
RTGolden

I'm missing something in the points you're trying to make here.  The gist of what I get from reading your comments is that the economic woes of today's blacks are the fault of either hereditary psychological issues from slavery (the fault of whites) or ruthless cut-throat price gouging by a sinister cabal of wig shop owners (Asian's fault).  Nowhere do you place any responsibility for black economic situations upon the blacks themselves.I don't know where you were going with the Brother Muhammed bit, I don't see him mentioned anywhere in the story, and don't remember him from the previous story.  If it is a reference to Louis Farrakhan's NOI, then you're mistaken.  Farrakhan has a history of brandishing his own particular brand of racism, quite publicly and without regret.  No matter how eloquently one encourages others to put to death those of a different race, color or religion, it's still reprehesible and thuggish.

Your last statement, "The Koreans will just have to learn the difference.", was used in similar fashion by white racists for years against the blacks.  It was wrong then, and it's wrong for you to espouse it now.

Men
Men

Well a good protest would be for black women to stop wearin' weaves.

J. Erik Jonsson
J. Erik Jonsson

JS, what would he gain by talking?  Here, I'll tell you what he'd say, "I'm not racist, and I treat all my customers with respect and kindness.  I've had trouble with shoplifters and loiterers, and in this neighborhood, we have to have security.  But I welcome people of any background into my store." 

What the hell does that get him?  You think any of the people protesting are receptive to that message?  I guess it gets him in front of the Observer's readers.  Anyone ever shop there?

cp
cp

Yes, I've shopped there and this guy is a jerk to everyone. Including white girls. 

just sayin'
just sayin'

There is a korean owned store to me close enough that I bet I hit it up 4 times per week. Enough that they joke around with me and engage me in conversations that have nothing to do with my purchase. They are extremely friendly. I have been aware of the conflicts over the years between store owners like them and the black community so I always watch like its a damn tv documentary anytime I see them interacting with black customers. I have only noticed tension a handful of times and it was always the same scenario. The black customer starts asking questions about something like why the pump isnt working, or why the dont have a particular brand of something, or why they are getting id'd for beer when they dont get id'd down the street. The korean gets defensive and starts talking faster making their accent much harder to decipher. The black person starts getting aggravated because at that speed you have to be korean to understand whats being said,and the black person gets little louder. The korean, like many asians do, starts smiling when they are nervous or embarrassed. Black person thinks they are being mocked by the smiling Asian and gets angry. Boom, tension. Thats how it happened every single time I witnessed it. Straight up cultural differences.

I went in a few years ago to get a pack of marlboros. Friendly Korean guy asks me if I want to try a brand of Korean cigarettes that was half the price of Marlboros but tasted almost the exact same. I smirk and ask him if they are from South Korea because if they are from North Korea I would be worried that I was smoking lead based paint. Wind and crickets. Guy didnt even smile. Cultural differences.

RSF
RSF

Well maybe he's not too smart if he moved in there and starting using those words - bad marketing plan. Then again, they may be lying and he never used them - they just don't like him in "their neighborhood". Maybe he started off on the wrong foot.

As people who grew up with all different sorts know, after about 20 years (less if you knew each other in school) or so you can tease each other about race and it's all a jovial. 

The funny part to me is some Parkie readers seeing this and thinking, "they are all minorities what is the deal"?

Chris Danger
Chris Danger

Jim, is there an exception to the "n-bomb" rule if you're a reporter stating a quote? Just curious because I might just try that trick myself in the future...I kid I kid, But im curious, why does the "community" think that standing outside a gas station is going to improve their neighborhood. I think this is more about a smart business man moving in and trying to improve an area, instead of playing "the card" per usual, they should break bread w/ the guy and help build a MUCH better community for everyone...

Guest
Guest

People don't get business opportunities from politics. That's not how it works. You get a business by wading in yourself and making it happen against all odds.

If anything, much of "the odds" that business owners have to work against are often created by politicians and regulators. (I'm not calling for chaos in the streets, but zoning & tax laws and other regs can be difficult to navigate at times).

Mookie
Mookie

isn't this the plot to "Do the Right Thing ?" 

Anon
Anon

This amendment to your story begs the question of why you bothered to post about it yesterday to begin with. When you said yesterday that it wasn't quite a story, maybe you should have held off writing anything up at all until you knew more. Yesterday you called Wright a "heavy hitter" who doesn't get behind something unless he is "sure of [his] ground". Now he is apparently only on the side of business for people who are the right race. What basis did you have yesterday for using his support as the basis for your opinion? And why is that invalid less than 24 hours later? This all seems really, really sloppy.

cp
cp

Jim is REALLY excited about his cap-cam. New toys always get people in a little trouble at first. 

JimS
JimS

Wright is a heavy hitter. Life is complicated. Two sides to every story. Sometimes you have to beat on the door a little to get the other side out.

JimS
JimS

You have misused the phrase, "begs the question." It means, fails to answer the question. Sorry to be a bitch about it. Pet peave.

Bmarvel
Bmarvel

Never dispute usage with a writer, especially a good one.  Jim is correct -- pay attention, Daniel, Zaner. The question is "begged" when the argument proceeds as though the question has been passed over as though settled. If the question being begged here is why Jim bothered to post the original story, Jim, in fact, has answered it.  So it could hardly be begged.  His answer could be  be disputed or challenged, I guess. I challenged it myself, in fact.  But that's not the same thing as begging it, or as Anon seems to think, raising it.

Daniel
Daniel

More accurately, s/he understands the phrase even less than you do. Christ, man, Wikipedia "begging the question" for a quick tutorial. It's undergrad stuff.

Daniel
Daniel

Jim, Zaner is correct.

JimS
JimS

Countless ways to fail to answer the question all amount to failing to answer the question. Your instance fails to rebut my assertion. Sorry, pet pieve. 

RTGolden
RTGolden

Not trying to be peevish, but did you answer the question yet?

zaner
zaner

You've misdefined it as well, Jim.  To beg the question means (essentially) to restate the premise as though the premise itself serves as its own answer.  As in: 

Q:  "Why does Jim get all the chicks?"A:  "Because he's a chick magnet."Q:  "Hey, that's no answer, you've just rephrased my inquiry.  That begs the question."

Begging the question does indeed "fail to answer the question," as you say, but there are countless other ways of failing to answer the question aside from this specific logical fallacy.

Sorry, pet peeve.

JimS
JimS

Beg the question does not mean "raise the question." You don't understand the phrase.

Anon
Anon

You actually haven't answered the question of why you posted about a story that was incomplete. If it took you less than 24 hours to post a somewhat contradictory (nuanced, if you'd prefer) story, then I still don understand why you bothered with the first post at all. So no, I did not misuse that phrase. Unless your answer is just that you prefer reporting before you've done even a reasonable amount of baseline research. In which case I have misused the phrase but I hardly consider it worse than the crap job you did reporting this story.

Observist
Observist

You have misspelled the word "peeve".  Sorry to be a bitch about it.  Pet peeve.

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