Uplift Wants to Open a Charter School in Deep Ellum. But What Does That Mean for the Bars?

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For a long while now, the old Baylor offices at 2625 Elm Street in Deep Ellum have been on the market -- for $5.5 million. And word was that a would-be buyer was eying the space for offices, which greatly pleased restaurant and bar owners, since it would have meant more warm bodies in need of cold adult beverages.

But in recent days, word has been circulating that the building's owner, Nashville-based HRT Properties of Texas, is looking to turn the building into the latest Uplift Education charter school.

Which, it turns out, is true: In documents filed with the city last month in advance of a meeting in February, Uplift is asking the Zoning Board of Adjustment for permission to offload 49 off-street parking spaces at 2625 Elm. Because, Uplift writes, "given the land use patterns, our location in proximity to a DART station and the abundance of free on-street parking during school hours, this request will not negatively affect neighboring property."

But that's the least of concerns for property and business owners in Deep Ellum.

"A school is not appropriate for the area," says Josh Bridges, whose Anvil Pub sits directly across Elm from the proposed school. "On the back of Deep Ellum, maybe, but not in the middle of the bars."

Deep Ellum property owners are meeting Monday night to discuss the ramifications of putting a school in the middle of a neighborhood built on the backs of bars and live-music venues. Their concern: Having a school in Deep Ellum would likely mean no one could ever again open a bar or restaurant in the part of the neighborhood, thanks to the city ordinance that prohibits booze-selling establishments from opening within 300 feet of a school.

"We've been working hard all these years to get the streets done and the patios open and the margaritas flowing, then look what happens," says Barry Annino, president of the Deep Ellum Public Improvement District. "Seems to be contradictory to the goals we have down here." 

Deborah Bigham, Uplift's chief development officer, tells Unfair Park: "We are committed to opening a school in Deep Ellum." But she wouldn't comment on the exact location, since negotiations are still underway with the property owner. "I can't talk about where it will go, but when I can we'll be more than happy to discuss it."

And there will be further discussions as this is probably just the first in what's likely to be a series of stories about Uplift's expansion into Deep Ellum. Because, in the words of Theresa O'Donnell, head of the city's department of Sustainable Development and Construction: "It's going to be very interesting as the city develops as an urban space. If you want families you need schools, and if you build schools you'll shove bars out. And they were there first." And in Deep Ellum, Uplift would not need to get a specific use permit to open its doors; it's allowed by right.

I've left messages for Rob Baldwin, the consultant shepherding the project through City Hall on behalf of Uplift. According to O'Donnell, Baldwin has made every effort to reassure the city that Uplift doesn't "want to have a negative impact on those bars." And, truth is, the school probably wouldn't have much of an impact on the existing establishments. They'd be grandfathered in, O'Donnell says.

The problem arises when someone else wants to open a bar nearby -- or, say, if Bridges or an existing bar owner wanted to sell to someone else, who then would have to get a new liquor license. Also, bar owners wonder: What happens when their specific use permits expire? Can and will the city deny those renewals based upon their proximity to a school?

O'Donnell addresses this by forwarding an email a city staffer sent to Baldwin in response to his questions about Uplift's possible impact on nearby saloons:
It may not be a problem, however, because Dallas City Code §6-4(d), which adopts Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code §109.59(a), says that if the alcohol business was there first, it is deemed to meet the spacing requirement for all subsequent renewals of the permit. Also, Dallas City Code §6-4(e), which adopts Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code §109.59(b), says that the alcohol business was there first, it is deemed to meet the spacing requirement for a new permit needed after a sale or transfer of the business.

Also, in some situations it is possible to apply for a variance from the alcohol spacing requirements. Dallas City Code §6-4(g), which adopts Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code §109.33(e), as recently amended by Ordinance No. 28444, allows a grocery store with at least 30,000 square feet of floor area or a restaurant without drive-through service to apply to city council for a variance from the spacing requirements. The fee for this is $1,200. There is notice by posted signs and a hearing at city council. City council may impose reasonable conditions on the variance. The front door of the alcohol business cannot face the protected use. Alcohol cannot be sold by drive-through. The variance only applies to grocery stores or restaurants; it does not apply to liquor stores or bars.
Long story short: "There are concerns," as O'Donnell puts it, which is why she's hoping for an invite to Monday's sitdown -- so she or someone from her staff can tell property owners what might and might not happen should Uplift cracks its books on Elm Street.

"Hopefully we can find a little bit of a solution," says Annino, who says he's met with Uplift reps and asked them to reconsider the location, to no avail. "You know how property owners don't like giving up their property rights."

Says Bridges: "The property owners and the business owners don't mind them coming down here. It's just not the right space. Someone else bid for an office space there, and it would have been perfect. So now you're gong to put a school next to the bars? It doesn't make sense."
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Guest
Guest

Yes complaints are totally immoral i mean like if some is doing something for the betterment of the citizens then what is the problem of the others... independent living  If the school and its parents engage the area with respect for its history and make-up, then there's no reason this can't be a good thing for Deep Ellum 

Independent Living
Independent Living

Yes complaints are totally immoral i mean like if some is doing something for the betterment of the citizens then what is the problem of the others...

Independent Living
Independent Living

Yes complaints are totally immoral i mean like if some is doing something for the betterment of the citizens then what is the problem of the others... If the school and its parents engage the area with respect for its history and make-up, then there's no reason this can't be a good thing for Deep Ellum 

Jigishha
Jigishha

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Edward
Edward

Which city councilperson does this belong to? If they aren't speaking out against it LOUDLY, then something is wrong.

There is simply no way, no how that once a school is in place it won't begin to negatively impact the businesses around it. There is zero benefit to the business community in Deep Ellum to have this school come in.

The city's vagueness as far as how the liquor laws come into play should speak VERY clearly: "We will apply the laws however we see fit, usually after a big Dallas Power Player has left our office telling us what to do".

And the laws and enforcement will come down on the bars and restaurants, NOT on the school.

Doesn't Matter
Doesn't Matter

Goodbye Deep Ellum.  It was a nice try at a comeback, We were all rooting for you, but it was just never meant to work out, :(

guest
guest

twice as many charter schools fail than succeed, just like public schools. this is not dallas can, but not far from it. charter schools are all about profit. elm street is close enough to other neighborhoods where students who would attend a charter school actually live. high school kids who live in deep ellum MAY number in high double figures. deep ellum will simply not support a chater school attendance. but with dart rail, they can ride from their neighborhoods into deep ellum. get ready for season 4 of the wire. loitering. slinging. fighting. i feel sorry for dada, anvil, black swan, who have worked hard to make deep ellum a viable destination/neighborhood arts/bar district again. once there is the smallest amount of criminal activity, the problem will be blamed on the bars, SUP's will be more difficult to renew, and deep ellum will die another slow death, and charter schools brass will pay themselves 6-7 figure bonuses while their property development investments flourish elsewhere and dallas becomes frisco just like these out of touch idiots want. we are not austin, seattle, or portland. we live in a city with corrupt local government with zero vision of establishing homegrown community. oak cliff is close, but i fear one day this city will find a way to fuck that up as well. dallas is a greedy devil that eats it's own. i hope that the DE neighborhood association will find a way to unite, organize, educate themselves and fight this. sometimes i truly hate the city that i love.

Stephanie Hastings
Stephanie Hastings

If you have been to Deep Ellum recently, you would know that it is neither dead nor is it a seedy place filled with vagrants, criminals and drunken bartenders.

Deep Ellum is an artist's and entertainer's community that supports all manner of media including live music. These venues of various kinds serve alcohol. These live music venues and bars are also owned, operated and managed by families and small business owners. Black Swan's owner is behind the bar, serving, almost every night. Anvil Pub - directly across the street from the proposed charter school location - is owned, operated and worked by a family. LaGrange? Trees? All of them... owned and operated by real people who have been living and breathing Deep Ellum. These people provide jobs and worked through the rough patches because they believed in this community. They believed with their own blood, sweat, tears and dollars.

Have you noticed the Deep Ellum Community Association? Have you talked to those involved in that or contributed to the area? Do you know about the Art's Festival or the plans for the urban gardens? Did you know this is all driven by those of us who live and work in the community?

Do you even know any of us? Have you talked to any of us?

This charter school, and it's supporters, may think they're so "edgy" and "cool" by looking to put their school in that location, but all they're doing is destroying the lives of hundreds of families in the process.

Why do their families matter more than ours? Because members of our families own and work in bars? Is that why? Is it because we look different than you? What is it? I'm curious because I'd like to know what on earth is the reasoning behind being okay with destroying years of grassroots effort, community uprising and the lives of existing, hard working families.

Scrolling through the comments, I'm mortified by what is being said by those who so obviously have never spent any real time with the human beings that call Deep Ellum home.

The school will destroy the area and all of the work put into it. It's true. You can say "no, it will work fine" all that you want but it won't. I'm sure you say those things to yourselves so you don't feel so badly about putting the lives of so many in jeopardy.  Just like I'm sure it makes you feel better to say that the people in Deep Ellum are, somehow, less than those putting in the school. Someone brought up arrest records or criminal history... guess what - I'm a bartender and an artist in Deep Ellum. I've never been arrested. I'm TABC certified and I've never had a problem walking Elm street on any given evening.

Someone brought up the hospital and those people. I'm a part of that group, too. I'm also an educated and active woman that recently wrote for our community hospital - Baylor - and their Sammons Cancer Center. Oh yes - I am fighting breast cancer and these people you're talking about? The one's you're bashing. They're my family. A family that has stood by me through the toughest part of my life. That's what we do. Is that too tough to comprehend? These tattooed, bartending misfits taking care of one another... crazy!

And how dare you - whoever you are - say that charity events are only done to ring tickets. How DARE you. When I was diagnosed with breast cancer in September of 2011, this community - this family of mine - rallied around me. They did hold art auctions and charity events. They've also stood by me through every single step of this process. I am proudly just finished with chemo and this "island of misfit toys" that I love being a part of has not left my side. They've raised awareness in the fight against breast cancer. Talks are in the works for more events to keep up with this important cause.

Another friend of ours was recently displaying trouble getting his treatment for prostate cancer. What did we do? Got together. He's getting his treatment. You would know these things if you were, actually, a part of our community and not trying to simply bully us over.

My employer is on Elm Street - it is one of those dastardly music venues that serve alcohol. Guess what? They stood by me through the months of not being able to work thanks to my chemotherapy. They're family. They give me shifts when I can do them. This place that I work - and the places that my family all works at - will be destroyed by the school.

Do we want growth in our community? YES. Absolutely. We LOVE our community and we want nothing more than to see it grow. We support the shops and companies that come in to be a part of our area... but the difference is this: Those are all companies and businesses that help the continued growth of our community. They are shops, eateries, galleries and venues that make sense in Deep Ellum.

Your charter school is nothing but a bully. The people behind it? Bullies. They want to bully their way in and say "too bad you're different. Become like us, suffer or go away"Screw you to the person who said we need to "follow the flow" to Oak Cliff or whatever place is trendy. Deep Ellum is OUR community and we will fight to keep it. You must be a part of the bully group wanting the school while sacrificing the rest of us.

The fact of the matter is this: the school does not belong in Deep Ellum. It will end badly for everyone. First, you destroy the lives of us decent, hard-working people. You keep more businesses from coming in while ruining the lives of those who already do business there.

Beyond us, it's a bad idea for the school. Teenagers are teenagers. These kids will be done with school, filter out onto the street and - as someone else so eloquently pointed out in bullet-point - they will enter into our businesses. Somewhere down the line it will end horribly.Underage kids and the trouble they can cause in the right conditions have history in Deep Ellum. We got them out right as they killed our area the last time. We don't want that chance to come back.

If you, as a parent, want to show your kids our history and "cool architecture" and such, then you - as their parent - drive them down, pay to park and take them around to our galleries, venues, dining establishments and more. That's fine. The teenagers freely roaming the streets in the afternoon doesn't count as architectural exploration quality time with your kid. You're still at work and I'm not a babysitter.

RSF
RSF

I would venture to say there are not many kids in Deep Ellum.  However, those who have kids can apply for transfer or establish a residence up the road in Lakewood  for excellent schools. A transfer for the IB curriculum at Long Middle and Woodrow Wilson High is possible. Soon an elementary such as Lipscomb may offer IB as well, so that would also be a transfer option.

Abbey Autry
Abbey Autry

Sorry but I'm not into the bar scene, although I do like to drink. If a charter school was done correctly and we ended up with less dirty streets and less stupid drunk people, I would not mind.

rockypresley
rockypresley

Isn't there an abandoned high school in Downtown a couple of blocks away? Dart access across the street?  That would  make so much more sense. I am with the property owners on this one.

Edward
Edward

This will have nothing to do with kids getting to go to school in a cool environment, etc.

It will play out just as the bar owners say it will:

1. School moves in. School kids and parents think it's cool and hip to have school in Deep Ellum.

2. Kids start hanging out (hey, that's what kids do - no matter what school they go to)

3. Bars get rightfully pissed off that kids are hanging out.

4. Some kid gets in trouble/goes into bar/random kid who doesn't even go to school there gets drunk some Saturday night

5. Parents TOTALLY FREAK THEIR SH*T OUT!!!!!!! "It's not my kid but......."

6. Channel 4 does report "Did you know there are bars right next to a school!?!?! How did this happen? Who at the City is to blame!!?!? Highlights at 10!" with grainy footage, probably low shot of two girls with go-go boots on walking on dirty sidewalk/tattoos

7. Suddenly City code folks start appearing (they obviously can't go to Greenville and shut down bars that don't even have the right to serve alcohol)

8. Random First Dallas Baptist person sermonizes to everyone about how evil it is to have bars/tattoo parlors/7 Elevens "where our innocent children can be taken advantage of"

9. Mysteriously, permits start being delayed

10. Chili's wants to open, but can't get alcohol permit because of school

11. Bars that close can't reopen/can't sell

12. School ends up operating amongst empty store fronts

I'm sure there's a real estate play working in the background, because there always is. Anyone who thinks the people running Uplift and other charter schools are doing it "for the kid" is insane: education is a money-maker, and the more public school money that can be transferred into the pockets of investors, the better.

Grumpy Demo
Grumpy Demo

The CBD's office vacancy rate is something like 25%+ and these clowns want to move into Deep Ellum? When there's plenty of space three blocks west?

Have to agree, it looks like a great Trogen Horse.

Loved the City's letter "It may not be a problem, however,  . . .'

"MAY not" ? Now there's that's about as firm a week old banana. Anyone want to hang their business' existence on a City Hall buredrone letter that say "may not"?

Cliffhanger
Cliffhanger

 Here's what really happens with "urban hipster" parents.

Move to cool neighborhood.Have kids.Send kids to DISD for a few years.Apply to Academies in 4th gradea) if accepted, go on magnet trackb) if rejected, move to suburbs or go to private school

That's it.

Dallas Dad
Dallas Dad

DISD closes schools as new charters open? Follow the money.

Chris Danger
Chris Danger

Wow, im conflicted...On one hand, Im a believer in the mission of UpLift, but on the other I dont think letting them move into Baylors old space on elm is a good idea, why not place them further down closer to downtown(Farmers Market) or fair park, as it would be a better fit for their purposes..

holman
holman

The old Dr. Pepper building at 2nd Ave and Hickory would be a better location.

barrygoldwaterspetrock
barrygoldwaterspetrock

This is all about the new, Downtown Dallas....the "360 planners" are turning this place into sterile vanillaville....that dude,ranger100, can't wait. It'll finally give the, neo-urbanist, something to thump their chest over." Yay,we finally got a real city!", gurgling the smug, self-important, ranger100, snorts.

Deanna Murach Echols
Deanna Murach Echols

I am saying this as a parent AND as a person who works in the music industry... WHY CAN'T WE JUST HAVE ONE PLACE THAT ISN'T FOR CHILDREN???? Kids are great, education is paramount... but they do not need to invade one of the very few areas we have left. Is this school going to be able to cover the increased need for peace officers & truant officers to keep the kids away from the bars? I hope no one is foolish enough to try to tell me that won't be an issue. Tell a teen that their favorite band will be at the Arts festival & see if they are in their seat in class. Have these people been to Deep Ellum??? Did they not see the tattoo parlors & smoke shops??? I love "the Deep" & just wish the moldy oldies would stop trying to push us out of it! This idea is totally spitting in the face of the people who are down there remodeling buildings & rebuilding a name for a place that needed their support. Clint Barlow, Steve Benton, Shaun "Arnetic" and many other hard working club owners & managers have poured their time, money & souls in to rehabbing the neighborhood! I frequent Boiler Room, Trees, The Bone, Curtain Club, Reno's Chop Shop, 2826 Arnetic and Elm Street Bar...if they were run out of the area, I would not be spending my entertainment dollars in Dallas...I would take them to Fort Worth. To me, that is the next closest place to catch a variety of live music. On every trip to Deep Ellum I stop at my very favorite restaurant, Cafe Brazil... if I go there & it is full of kids my heart will break! It is my dream to own a building in Deep Ellum where I could live, open my clothing store & have an office all because I love the artsy-ness of the neighborhood. I suppose if the area changes I will have to set my sites on Austin.

Diane Birdwell
Diane Birdwell

How ironic. When teachers complain that charter schools are not needed, that what we need is more support for us in the public schools, where were all the bartenders then? Club owners? Deep Ellum Hipsters?

Now they are trying to gore your ox, we are supposed to care? (I actually do, but trying to make a point here.)

They could use any number of other locations. Sounds like they want to shift some bars right out of D E. Good luck. The Chamber of Commerce, the Mayor, the Dallas Citizens Council, --they LOVE, just LOVE charter schools. Now it is your turn to be the bad guy.

Oak Cliff Townie
Oak Cliff Townie

DISD is talking campus closing today .....

Why the heck not use one of those facilities ?

Not cool enough ?

Oh Really
Oh Really

Hold on!  According tothe Secretary of State. HRT PROPERTIES OF TX LTD is CAPSTONE CAPITAL OF TEXASwhose other name is HEALTHCARE ACQUISITION OF TEXAS, INC.  The President is DAVID EMERY and this companyis part of  Healthcare Realty Trust, Inc.located at 3310 West End Avenue, Suite 700 Nashville, TN 37203.  Phone; 615.269.8175 & Fax; 615.269.8461 www.healthcarerealty.com   According to Forbes, his assets are $2.487573 billion. http://finapps.forbes.com/fina... 

 

So I had to wonder, who is funding the charter school?  Phil Romano or Harlan Crow? They both have a huge stake in the Trinity River. It is no coincidence that just when the new Calatrava Bridge,the City invested so heavily in, and is about to open, they are falling allover themselves to encourage development in West Dallas. 

This property in Deep has been for sale FOREVER andnow that the bridge is opening, the school suddenly expands to develop in Deep Ellum?  Why? To discourage any new development in DeepEllum perhaps?

So here's the answer....... 

 

======>>>> The Chairman of the Board of UPLIFT is Kevin Bryant. Chief Counsel to CROW HOLDINGS. Oddly enough, the VicePresident of the Health group is John Bryant. Coincidental...I don'tthink so! 

 

Other Uplift BoardMembers include George P. Bush; W. Carey Carter of

Partner, Deloitte & Touche, Tony Dona; Partner,Thackeray Partners, Angela Farley

Command & Control Environment, Inc., Richard R.Frapart; Chief Financial Officer, Archon Group, LP, Daniel Flaherty;President,Gemmy Industries, Michael Giles; President, Right Management, CarrieL. Kirby; Vice President, Human Resources, TXU Energy, Melissa McNeil;Community Volunteer, Rena Pederson, Gilbert Prado;

Dallas Independent School District, Dr. John Price; President, UNTDallas, Randall Ray; Partner, GardereWynne Sewell, Kirk Rimer; Managing Director, Goldman Sachs, CatherineRose, Owen Ross; Pastor, Christ Foundry,Srikanth Srinivas; Partner, River Logic, Brice Tarzwell; Partner, Bracewell &Giuliani, Mary Ellen Weber, Ph.D.; Vice President for Government Affairsand Policy, UT Southwestern Medical Center, Donell Wiggins, and  Marnie Wildenthal, Todd A. Williams; Retired Partner, Goldman Sachs, Philip Montgomery; President,P.O’B Montgomery & Company.

Does it get any dirtier than this????????

Geoff Lloyd
Geoff Lloyd

Union Bank Building would make a nice School

Travis Rex
Travis Rex

Bad news for the bars..and yeah..more thug teenagers in Deep Ellum is just what we need!

BrickInTheWall
BrickInTheWall

Deep Ellum has always been a development hook. The only reason clubs and restaurants, that opened up down there did, was because building codes were severely lax by PLAN. The area has always been long term development for those that make those decisions, not necessarily the property owners. And they dont just wake up one day and make them, they are planned and take many many years. Hello light rail...The bad part is the people and business owners do not see this. Throughout DE history, local business for large part are not involved at all in the community. They dont support each other, or events for the most part outside of vested interest cheerleaders, and few if any goto meetings or host new ones in light of the community, and all the various groups interest until it is too late.

 Art only gets put in when there is money behind it, I.E. grants. Basically you have business owners who a large percent of them could never make it other parts of town, due to many factors. They feed off of locals and scenes like vampires, instead of creating brands and establishing them selves in the area,arts and Dallas. There are def many good establishments in Deep Ellum, but there have been far more bad ones by the years.

But the larger part of it is... This is how metropolitan areas are molded. The let the small mom and pops come in and open up and bring life to buildings while severely out of code. And little by little as the neighborhoods grow, the long term plans fall into place. Same thing on Greenville. Did you honestly think that after all those old houses were redone, that they would stand for the crap the bars deal them? The bar owners did the same thing there, failed to unite until the sky was falling. As long as my cash register is ok I don;t care about yours attitude. The tattoo deal back in the day was the same in DE. No one gets together until its too late. But in Deep Ellums case they have never had a chance. Maybe a brief one back in the early 90s with historical implications, and with Don Blanton's ideass and his early tenants dreams. But even then the property owners could not settle for those dreams and fought him every chance they could. And again there was no structure from the businesses as a community in whole.

Deep Ellum is some of the most lucrative property in Dallas. Not for bars and night clubs, at least not the current tenants. As Dallas becomes more of a metropolitan city, that chunk of land all the way to Fair park will become middle class upstart family area, for those that dont want to raise their kids in skyscrapers downtown. Artist always move on and create new scenes where they can afford to. Outside of the party bartenders who do more harm in the long run than good, most of the artist have long left the area anyways. Hello Oakcliff. First they lived off Greenville, then Deep Ellum, Now Oak Cliff... Catch the wave.

Not to mention half of Deep Ellum could not pass a background check. Not they type of people that build communities. By default they post up corners and just cut their piece out not giving back or being involved. Hosting yearly charity events to ring sales as the main objective and using the charities as marketing ploys does not count sorry.

Deep Ellum can not be young and dumb forever. The current model doesn't grow it just cycles the same crap over and over. While fun and entertaining it can not sustain growth, as the city does for all the reasons stated.

Welcome the change, the area really needs it. A school is a great anchor, from bulldozers. The area for the most part is one fire or major building accident/fault away from being condemned trust me.

Jackwagner
Jackwagner

if they are serious about starting a school like this that will actually affect the community they are targeting, about a mile south on malcom x i'm sure there are some properties that are about 10 cents on the dollar of what they are gonna pay in deep ellum. they are actually offering a sum well over market value in DE for the elm street property. this isn't about helping kids. it's about making cash.

J
J

Damn right.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin

so instead of stupid drunk people, you want empty streets with the random stupid kid skipping class running around. Gotcha

Anon
Anon

I don't like boring people, can I legislate you away?

Downtown Resident
Downtown Resident

I think that recently sold for 20 million, too expensive and it would do nothing to serve the ultimate goal of running the bars in DE out of business.

Edward
Edward

I thought the same thing when I read the city's response. It was full of vague, "well, we don't think there will be any issues" statements. You KNOW when you hear that, THEY know there WILL be issues. They just don't want to bring it up right now.

Anon
Anon

that's about right. although I wouldn't even make my kids suffer through DISD in elementary school and I don't consider the magnets to be the solution. get rid of standardized testing and 30+ kids in a classroom and I'll reconsider. the first name lobbed at people like me is "racist" but honestly I could care less about the racial profile of the district. it reflects where I live so I'm not sure why I'd mind. it's the time taken away from instruction for these games to figure out which schools are "recognized" and whatnot.

Coleman
Coleman

jeez, your students must love you and your awkward guilt trips

biscuit98
biscuit98

They are waiting on some DISD schools that just got closed. Why else close Bonham? No, there is a grander plan behind all uplift's plans. Putting a school on Elm is part of a developer's wet dream to raze the area and redevelop it. Look at the board of uplift and it's all real estate hacks. We just got the Sermon from the mount on how DE is not up to code and needs to be bulldozed.

uplift will also take the choicest Dallas schools that needed to be closed to build their empire. The board just got played, those who hadn't already been bought.

Guest
Guest

Time to call up the Occupy Dallas peeps and offer them Occupy Elm St...

1% > 99% if you think they are just hippies in the park, you are not paying attention.

Guest
Guest

That is big money right there.

Meh with most of Uptown to 35 and the new arts buildings done up where else are they guna play legos at? Seems fitting.

Shoshana
Shoshana

While you have made some strong points, they are undermined by your blatant stereotypes of business owners in Deep Ellum, and your misinformation. Many artists were actually pushed out of Deep Ellum in the "yanking of your dance permit" days.  As far as building improvements- of course they are needed, but property owners cannot make improvements when they have so many empty spaces that they are not generating the revenue necessary to improve.  It is a slow process that is well underway, but will take a little more time.  To judge it "bulldozer worthy" or a "lost cause" is completely asinine.

As far as your name calling, I am a business owner in Deep Ellum.  I moved my shop to the area as part of a much larger expansion plan.  I am far from "young" or "stupid".  While my degree is in the arts, I do not fit your stereotype- I have never been convicted of a crime, I am incredibly intelligent, a strong business woman, and in case you were wondering- yes I have a natural hair color and no visible tattoos.  I, and the three new businesses that have moved in next to me in the last six months are the face of Deep Ellum- and we are strong.

In black and white; a school nestled amongst bars is not smart; it goes against common sense in every way.  This is a way for a select few to make millions off of real estate several years from now, on the backs of small business.  I'm not whining- Dallas as a whole, doesnot preserve history, wants the new flashy thing, and loves money.  I'm just asking you- Are these the ideals you want to stand for? 

TheThinker
TheThinker

Now your calling people out for having a record......wow....shut up and stop being ignorant.

Just a thought....
Just a thought....

When is the last time you actually have been to deep ellum?  When is the last time you checked with the city on the plans and current funding for projects to develop the area?  The currents bars, restaraunts, new retail and service shops, as well as venues over the past several years have done an excellent job to help revive this area.  The city itself is putting money back into the area to re-vamp it, have you seen the plans?  Deep ellum is a large neighborhood, and having it within the neighborhood is not a bad thing, but why would you choose to put it on Elm street?  This is an innapropriate place to put a school for 7-12 graders would you not agree?  Would it not be better to move a few blocks down where it would be around the residential portion of the neighborhood, one that wont also create traffice problems?  When you look at the entire neighborhood, and you look at all aspects, it simply does not make sense to put a school and the students in that particular building.   

biscuit98
biscuit98

uplift is not a middle class brand for parents--the magnets are working just fine, and middle class Dallas parents don't send their kids to uplift. Putting one in DE thinking it will change the character and history is beyond stupid. So Disneyland is next?

BobsYourUncle
BobsYourUncle

Photos of property in the District show deteriorated public infrastructure and buildingstock (see Exhibit B). Streets and utilities are now over 60 years old and requireimprovements. Many of the commercial structures in the District were developed priorto World War II. During the 1980’s and 1990’s, the area experienced revitalization andsome warehouse and commercial buildings were renovated as residential andentertainment uses (see Exhibit C). Over the past ten years, private investment in theDistrict has slowed and many industrial and warehousing structures as well as tracts ofvacant land remain undeveloped. The area has begun to exhibit signs of deteriorationand neglect, crime has increased, and many tenants who could afford more modernfacilities have moved out of the area.The Deep Ellum TIF District exhibits high commercial vacancy rates, deterioratedstructures, inadequate sidewalks and streets, faulty lot layouts, unsanitary or unsafeconditions, and deteriorated site improvements. These conditions substantially arrest orimpair the sound growth of the City and property within the area.

http://www.dallas-ecodev.org/S...

Oh Really
Oh Really

5.5 million is chump change, to protect their West Dallas investment.

Shoshana
Shoshana

Ooops... I almost forgot my manners.  I invite you, Brick in the Wall, to come and visit.  You may actually be surprised.  I would be glad to introduce you to the beauty of Deep Ellum, which you obviously haven't really looked at in a while.

Guest
Guest

It defiantly makes better sense to put it closer to the rail to me. Billions&Schools > Barstools

The point is the area needs to come together for many reasons. This has been going on for years as far as the sky is falling big development is coming. No one shows up to meetings until it too late. etc etc. Billion dollar elephant is at the door. Deep Ellum has had 5++ years to plan against this or to preserve the area. Guess what?

http://www.dallasobserver.com/...

http://blogs.dallasobserver.co...

http://www.deepellumtexas.com/...

http://deepellumfoundation.org...

donaldduckssperm
donaldduckssperm

Disneyland, has been Dallas' wet dream for sometime now...

Guest
Guest

Not about that, its about structure. The only logistical way those buildings and the area are going to survive, is if the area, buildings, electric grid etc are improved and brought up to code. The last 20 years of tenants have barely produced legal bathrooms and kitchens. I  would guess less than 5% of the current tenants could afford upgrades themselves. Which is why it will eventually be leveled or refaced by multi-million dollar buy outs. That is the reality. These buildings and the area in general is severely outdated and behind in code. The small businesses can not sustain what the area needs, especially with out being tightly involved and supportive as a community. It just won't work that way.

I drink my beers and eat my meals at the same bars and restaurants. I love the area. Not blinded by romance tho. We need strong funded businesses in the area, not just old bartenders borrowing money to open a bar or floating illegally on some one else liquor license. The area needs stabilization and strong business minded tenants to grow as Dallas grows. Less bigger money and minds will come along and create what big money conglomerates create. Disneylands. A school would stabilize that block, which could save all of Elm St in reality. The old Disney plan wiped it all out from Goodlatimer to MLK. As the economy comes back and the property values have dropped dramatically what do you think the wolves are lining up to do right now? The big 3 owners are at retirement or have passed or are rounding the corner on life. Its not a save the flowers in the park game here.

Guest
Guest

If you think my writing resembles that of a "Board Member" then lols. DEA board member for 10 years yes. DEF member as well.

A lot of it is a rant sorry you missed that. Inside of the rant is a whole lota truth tho. But I am for just about any thing that will stabilize Deep Ellum some what?

Its a bigger picture than the bars and clubs. The hospital and its surrounding businesses, schools and churches consider Deep Ellum theirs as well. They are well funded and organized. So kick the school out and have who come in next? A church? A seminary school extension? In the big picture although I agree its not the best spot. It (a school) is easily manageable for the time being vs the rest of the options looming to exercise bars from the area for development.

I get it you want to keep on about middle class parents and magnet schools. Sorry you missed the point.

@justathought Present now. I have been for 20 years. I agree long strides have been made. Focusing on the negatives to incite emotions in favor of  Deep Ellum. As I am just frusterated at a lot of the same old crap. Its time to move on. Deep Ellum needs to grow up fast in order to survive. We have blown too many chances as it is. Embrace change, and try and mold it, or get sold out and demolished. Pretty simple.

biscuit98
biscuit98

You know, "guest" you are writing like the readership here is made of Steve Blow fans and any old ridiculous argument will stick. This POS school is going to "save all of Elm St. in reality," is so ludicrous that it could only be made by a board member of the crap schools thrown around town. Cooky cutter crummy schools will save DE. Only a developer could write this drivel.Middle class parents are not the current clientele of uplift and they won't be in the future. The magnets would have to burn down first and the suburbs disappear before they would put their kids in uplift--not going to happen. Meanwhile, you just played your hand.

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