What Would Knox Street and Cole Avenue Look Like as a "Complete Street"? With Trolleys?

While sifting through Vimeo this morning I came across a Shops at Park Lane construction time lapse posted this morning by the good folks at Good Fulton & Farrell. Which led me to the video you see above: The Fairmount Street-based architectural firm's entry in the city's Complete Streets Visual Essay Contest, which wrapped a few weeks ago.

As you can see, it imagines what the already walkable Knox and Cole might look like with a few improvements as imagined by the folks at the firm that's more or less responsible for its present-day look. As Larry Good explains this morning, GFF's been involved there since '91, when George Bayoud started snapping up property on the north side of the street, and its design for the Crate & Barrel store was an award-winner back in its day. More recently, GFF's been studying how to redo the street since the city council passed the Knox Street Public Improvement District in June of last year.

Says Good, based on that new look-see "we thought we would do an entry in that competition, so Jeff Good [a principal at the firm] captained that, and two of the other guys here led the visualization efforts. And I think Knox has a good head start because it already has on-street parking. The sidewalks are awfully narrow, but it wouldn't take much to change the character. And you saw the trolley in the video ..."

I certainly did, which is why I called Good in the first place: He's on the McKinney Avenue Transit Authority's board of directors. And I wondered: Does he know something we don't?

Last year, of course, MATA got $4.9 million from the feds to bring the trolleys further into downtown via the creation of that connector loop line down St. Paul and up Federal to Olive. And there's that Cityplace Turntable Project presently under construction. But till now I'd never heard anything about bringing the McKinney Avenue north, up to Knox.

But, says Good, he belives it's "part of the manifest destiny of the McKinney Avenue Transit Authority to come that extra distance from Blackburn up to Knox. It's just natural to get that done." Which is to say: He and the board want go get that done, and throwing that in the video was his way of "planting that seed," as he says this morning.

"Wouldn't it be great if we could get everyone encouraged to make it that way north?" he says. "It's such a great destination. And it's a lot less expensive to get the MATA an extra mile than it is DART light rail."

So, then, how likely is this to happen ...?

"You mean: Do we know what the source of the money would be?" Good says with a slight chuckle. "No. And it's not easy. The thing about MATA is they know how to use their volunteer motormen and lean staff to run the system very inexpensively, and they got construction dollars to send MATA into downtown. So, we'll see."
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Jane Phillips
Jane Phillips

Trolleys are stupid, stupid is as stupid does!

deweast
deweast

If Travis, Cole, and McKinney intersections were made pedestrian safe/friendly it would make the whole area more attractive to everyone.  That could be done by making each of those intersections  "boxes" like the ones in NYC and other cities.  All traffic stops in all directions so people can cross at any angle they wish.  Today, cars turning on red, rushing through the yellow lights, and generally not paying any attention to people walking makes it a gamble to cross, even at the signalled intersection.  I live in the area and have watched countless times mothers with kids and/or strollers dodging cars that were turning on red without regard to pedestrians. It would also help stop the j-walking that is also very dicey. 

Bill Holston
Bill Holston

I walk the area all the time. My office is on Mckinney and Fitzhugh. It takes longer, but I usually walk up Katy Trail to Knox. I walk the sidewalk to Uptown for lunch. It's a nice walk. the really tough place to cross is there at Knox. Lots of fast traffic. Crossing over Central is really hard though. I will walk to the Monk on occasion, and it's always hard to cross that bridge over Central. 

Escamp
Escamp

I bet it's harder to cross back after a, couple of hours at the Monk!

DallasMan
DallasMan

Given the fact that the Knox/Henderson DART station is likely to never been finished out due to budget issues, extending the streetcar to Knox provides (significantly less expensive) access to/from downtown for this corridor's dense residental population, as well as office workers and shoppers. 

MattL1
MattL1

Both areas see a significant amount of foot traffic.  Given their proximity and the existing infrastructure, it makes sense to connect them somehow.  I was thinking one of those airport-style belt-walker things (the proper name escapes me), but a streetcar works too.

[EDIT] After doing some absurdly simple research, I have determined that the term I was looking for is "moving walkway."

matt
matt

still wish they would have put in a dart stop at henderson.  would have helped so much.  dumb move

guest
guest

There is space carved out on the line for a station under Henderson, so if they ever decide to add that stop it would be pretty easy.  I believe the plan was originally killed by the businesses & the neighborhood associations in the area, probably based on the idea that it would bring the wrong "traffic" into the neighborhood.  But i'm not sure on that point.  Can anyone clarify?

Juan Valdez
Juan Valdez

As dumb as putting the Love Field Station 3 fucking miles away from the airport. Sorry I meant effing miles....

lorlee
lorlee

I think that the people there didn't want it for some reason -- just like East Dallas is underserved by Dart because Forest Hills and Hollywood Heights opposed the use of the rail line there -- so now all they have is a trail and I expect many of them now suspect they made the wrong decision. 

Wylie H.
Wylie H.

I think it's the same reason the Washington Metro doesn't serve Georgetown... the Park Cities folks were afraid DART would bring the "wrong types" too close for comfort.

Bill Holston
Bill Holston

man, I'd sure dig having the ability to take the Train to Goodfriends!

Los_Politico
Los_Politico

Well there's the median and theoretically the lane size could be shrunk, but I think a lane would have to give.

I know there are big back ups twice a day at Buckner, but other than that it's pretty clear with most everyone speeding. Much of that traffic though could be easily diverted to Ferguson. I'm also of the mind that slowing traffic will increase capacity. Plus a well connected train line with stops at activity centers (Spillway, Arboretum, Casa Linda) should decrease demand for vehicle miles traveled.

I have no allusions of this coming to frusition, though. Still, I know in DC when fantasy maps started to be pushed WMATA picked up on the idea and incorportaed the best ones into their 30 year plan. It would be nice for us to be able to push DART in the same direction-- infill stops, new trunk line downtown, and new lines with upzoning.

Bill Holston
Bill Holston

It'd be cool to have a train line up to South Garland. I can't see how Garland Rd. could lose a lane though. That's a seriously busy road. 

Los_Politico
Los_Politico

That's actually not true. Metro doesn't serve Georgetown because of the difficulty of boring a tunnel under the river from that height/angle. See: The Great Society Subway. The proposed seperate blue line crosses farther north and then runs through Georgetown downtown on M St-- thats the 25 year plan.

Never knew DART considered a line east from downtown. I assume you mean the Sante Fe trail-- where would it have gone? the tracks behind Forest HIlls are still operational (BNSF I think). Personally, my fantasy DART map would have a line that runs from the South Garland Bus Station down Garland Rd/East Grand to the Fair Park station, through downtown on the D2 trunk line and then out to west Dallas on the line that is part of the master plan. But this would involve tacking out a lane on Garland Rd and I know the NIMBY's there would never allow it.

Wylie H.
Wylie H.

It seems like a logical step to take the trolley up to Knox Street; it would certainly improve connectivity between that area and the core of Uptown.

Restaurantqualityblender
Restaurantqualityblender

AWESOME!!!! TROLLEYS, AGAIN!!!! Hasn't the Angela Hunt faction f'd up enough s around here already? Has anyone seen lowest Greenville lately? You can now see how the end product will look. All of that money and time spent; all of those businesses suffering; all for that turd of a vanity project. A vanity project that helps no one except for the aesthetic police. The aesthetic police who, after a few visits, will not even frequent the area.

Aggie91
Aggie91

not ture.  I go some now and will go more when the work is done.  Nothing wrong with wanting our city to look nice.  Why would you not want our city to look nice?  Who will that help?

Fact is if the building owners and bar owners contributed to that neighborhood in the first place all the street work probably would not be going on right now.

Gabe
Gabe

I think Unfair Park is cool with words like fuck and shit. You don't have to hide them.  

Oak Cliff Townie
Oak Cliff Townie

If you think that is cool look this tune up .

The Most Offensive Song Ever Written.

NOT SAFE for work.

Gabe
Gabe

I think it's fine to be offended by bits of language and what they mean. I'm not personally offended by fuck and shit, but I know others are. I just don't understand how, for some, writing "f'ed up" is less offensive than "fucked up" when they mean the exact same thing, as if there were power in the symbol or totem itself, instead of what it means or represents.

Montemalone
Montemalone

It really should go all the way up to Harvard, so the office building at Monticello has access.

DallasMan
DallasMan

I have often wondered when the McKinney Ave. streetcar would actually go....all the way up McKinney (or at least to Knox, the last major cross-street).

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