Citing "Numerous Breaches" of Agreement, City Hall Tells Occupy Dallas to Clean Up or Get Out

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First Assistant City Attorney Chris Bowers, at left, just last week
Never did hear from City Manager Mary Suhm about what she intended to tell Mayor Mike Rawlings concerning Occupy Dallas's continued camp-out behind Dallas City Hall. No matter: Moments ago Suhm sent to the mayor and city council a memo outlining what she says are "numerous, ongoing, and material breaches" of the settlement agreement allowing protesters to occupy the parking lot behind City Hall. And she doesn't just mean the man arrested for sexual assault, the child picked up by CPS or Saturday's arrests. Although there is that.

Writes Suhm:
The Crisis Intervention unit of the Dallas Police Department has inspected encampment on several occasions and remains concerned about the health and public safety of people at the camp, especially children. Participants in Occupy Dallas have been arrested for criminal trespassing, obstructing a public sidewalk, assaulting a public servant, and resisting arrest. Moreover, some participants have been observed urinating in public, operating a space heater within three feet of combustible material, and committing various parking violations.
Also included is a missive sent to Jonathan Winocour, the group's legal rep, in which First Assistant City Attorney Chris Bowers outlines what he says are other violations of the agreement, including the removal of temporary fencing "protecting the trees" behind City Hall, "which has required the City to expend resources on replacing the fencing on an almost daily basis." And, writes Bowers, "some participants of Occupy Dallas at times have left feces, moldy and mildewy food, and piles of trash at the camp."

Writes Bowers, the group has until 5 p.m. Saturday "to cure all of these violations and to treat public property with appropriate care." Says the city attorney, if that doesn't happen, the city will rip up its settlement and begin removing tents and enforcing "all laws." Suhm and Bowers's docs follow. City Memo About Occupy Dallas
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Albert
Albert

Here we go, Dallas needs to step up. This gentleman is answering Obama's call, he certainly has the "get in their face" part down.

Good thing no-one sneezed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Sybils_Beaver
Sybils_Beaver

And that video is exactly why no one take Occupy seriously.  The bit is old and worn down.  That guy is an idiot, Its Ironic that an occupier who is using the constitution to his benefit would then tell another american they hae no right to be at the same place.  The more of these videos I wathc the more I realize these are just some yuppy pussies who have nothing better to do than bitch about their lot in life rather than do something about it.

Chad
Chad

The Left vs Right debate is simple divide and conquer tactics against the 99%. I'm a registered Republican and a stanch supporter of OWS. OWS is not leftist nor marxist nor socialist, the root of OWS is capitalist (same as the Tea Party was before being co-opted by the fringe right).

What has happened over the past 20 years and more illustrated during the past 3 years is not the result of capitalism but the result of fraud, theft, state capture and kleptocracy committed by the 1% or, more specifically, the 0.01%

OWS moved from Pioneer Plaza to near City Hall because they were asked to. OWS in Dallas isn't an anarchist group help bent on vandalizing anything they can get their hands on they're peacefully protesting the fraud and thievery on Wall St. enabled by Washington from both the Left and the Right.

Please try to see the forest through the trees, the L vs R debate is not relevant to OWS and only confuses people. OWS is composed of people from all parts of the political spectrum.

Albert Finney000
Albert Finney000

Chad, how does one go about becoming a "registered republican" in Texas?

This is a mistake many false-flag operatives make.

Chad
Chad

I just meant that I side with Republicans on most issues save for some social issues ( gay marriage + abortion mostly )

RTGolden
RTGolden

Didn't Reagan expand Welfare, WIC, Medicare, Medicaid, and other social programs to a greater extent than any other president since the depression?

I'm neither right nor left, I'm a radical moderate who believes both sides are full of crap.  Just thought it was a question that needed asking.

Albert
Albert

It's a rare republican indeed who supports openly socialist movements demanding bigger government and redistribution of wealth.

You're the .000000001%.

Perry Moore
Perry Moore

You make several valid points. It is a most difficult task for a movement to clarify its message when the powers that be promote confusion. It is also particularly irksome that most of us can't seem to get past that Democrat/Republican, left/right, rich/poor shouting match to the truth, wherever it may lie. Ah, but this is the human condition, is it not? Pick sides, and fight to the death.

Paul
Paul

Say what you will, but I believe based upon what I have read here and elsewhere that the City of Dallas has done an excellent job treading the fine line between an individual's right to free speech and the City's obligation to maintain peace and order.

I just hope some homeless guy living in a box under a bridge doesn't realize that his lifestyle is a protected free speech ....

Phelps
Phelps

This just in -- dirty hippies turn out to be dirty.  Followup at 11.

Albert
Albert

That's only because the City of Dallas has not provided bathing facilities

brett
brett

always looking for a handout

Sybils_Beaver
Sybils_Beaver

why should the city provide them bathing facilities?  they choose to be down there

Albert
Albert

If the city is going to provide free camping and security, why not go all the way and offer better facilities?

They are simply at this point tourist attractions, and cities are responsible for maintaining tourist attractions on city land.

Dallas has enough problem overcoming the actions of one leftist commie wannabee, we don't want to get the reputation of a city that doesn't properly maintain its hippies

Daily Reader
Daily Reader

Take out the illegal parking and space heaters and you've got the typical daily homeless person's actions.  Why is this so different that city hall is cracking down.  Right outside their front/back door - now they see why people in that area of downtown complain about the same thing that city hall is now experiencing. 

Pat Boyack
Pat Boyack

Sheeeet. If the city wants to find violations go out into the neighborhoods and find them. They are all over. But you see this is typical Dallas City Hall bullshit. I have a house next to me that should be cleaned out or destroyed but Dallas' Hazard Materials division will not touch it. Why? Because some lazy public servant wants to sit in an office and do nothing. 

Albert
Albert

The problem with Occupy Dallas is location, it's a capitalist city that attracts capitalists, and on the other end, people who have suffered actual untold deprivation in American history just might resent every single leftist grievance likened to their struggle.

White boys with drums and dope and expensive tents, risking it all, while people across the globe actually die, trying to effect hope and change or just plain eat.

They are the 99 percenters, they have it better than 99 percent of the people on Earth, but the porridge still sucks.

Maybe one of the protesters will be inspired to run for office, or work at a bank or some other capitalist enterprise due to their activism now, use the genius to effect change.

They have legitimate concerns, too many actually, but they don't exhibit actual seriousness in a nation that is geared for solutions. This movement seems mired in finding the solutions to their own survival, and little else, existing on charity from those they march against.

It is of little surprise that marxist effort would flourish under a historically Marxist president, and it will be little surprise when the movement fails.

The question is, what's next? Anyone familiar with leftism knows the answer.

Anon
Anon

Dallas isn't a capitalist town. Sorry. The power players in Dallas have always made their money as a partner with the government cronies that they pay off. This is true whether you're talking local, state, or federal government. They like government spending as long as no one is threatening to tax them more to pay for it. Many happen to be Republicans, but it's not a party-based thing. It's just how people in Dallas have made money.

The real problem I've got w/ Occupy Dallas is that frankly, they're a bunch of pussies. They need an agenda and they need to make people a lot more uncomfortable than they are apparently willing to do. Provoking the police (regardless of who was at fault) on a weekend in downtown Dallas? There isn't even anyone there. Their first order of business should be to protest the premiere of Hotel Socialism downtown, not to give into city demands that they refrain from protesting it. That hotel is a confluence of every single thing that is wrong with Dallas, and America. Sold by lying politicians as favors to provide business to their high income donors. Financed by a municipal bond system that is designed so that cities never, ever pay off their principal and provides nearly risk-free, tax-free income to the wealthy (if you had a credit card that was structured so your balance would grow forever, wouldn't it sort of strike you as a bad idea?). 

Schuyler
Schuyler

The real problem I've got w/ Occupy Dallas is that frankly, they're a bunch of pussies

Jim Schutze agrees with you, thinks they oughta step up their game. Not that Jim Schutze thinks he oughta join them and show them how, mind you, that could get inconvenient, only that they oughta do it for him so that they'd achieve more of what he believes they should. For the record, I agree too. Quit being pussies and get busy. Since I won't be there either, be sure to drop me a text and let me know how it goes.

Sybils_Beaver
Sybils_Beaver

you are correct, I work downtown and Ive yet to see one of them except the first day they camped out before being moved out of sight

Anon
Anon

I sympathize with them, but I don't really agree with them because they, in general, give the government a free pass where I wouldn't. So, I won't be joining in. I'm just saying that if they believe their positions (if they have any) are worth fighting for, they need to provoke a response. That doesn't mean getting violent. It just means doing things people can't ignore. What's the point of being camped out behind city hall? It doesn't accomplish anything and in the meantime, they are completely outside the general public's view. Heck, even most people who work downtown won't pass them on a daily basis in that location.

Albert
Albert

"Dallas isn't a capitalist town. Sorry. The power players in Dallas have always made their money as a partner with the government cronies that they pay off."

Unlike, say, Chicago. 

You realize you're channeling Sarah Palin?

"The real problem I've got w/ Occupy Dallas is that frankly, they're a bunch of pussies."

I've suggested as much in this forum. Until they emulate tactics of the global and US socialist movement - extensive & costly property damage, intimidation and fear, and lots of propaganda - they will be a movement centered on their own activities and will get little national notice.

As for municipal bonds, even the 99% can purchase them. Regarding the Omni, there is no reason to believe it won't turn a profit.

The same accusations were leveled concerning the Cowboys stadium and the city of Arlington, and Arlington has a 3 million dollar surplus because of the stadium.

Albert
Albert

So you're saying that Dallas, like all cities, is not a capitalist town. Whatever.

My point is, Dallas is associated with business over the social.

I agree, higher taxes is not socialism. But socialism is high taxes.

I don't really care about the return Muni's offer, I was just pointing out that they are available to anyone to purchase, whether or not they need the tax-free income.

Anon
Anon

You are looking for an argument that no one is making. Did I make a comparative statement about Dallas and Chicago? I'm simply saying that the corporate-capitalist-government business environment is what built a lot of Dallas's wealth. That's true in most big cities. You are the one that singled Dallas out as being somehow more "capitalist" than elsewhere. And I'm well aware of the other people, right and left, who are making the argument. 

Higher taxes is not the same as socialism. You need to embrace a more precise vocabulary. As far as I know, no one is promoting state ownership of private enterprise. They are promoting the disentanglement of private and public that has concentrated upside among relatively few with no downside.

And most people in the 99% don't need the tax free income that munis provide because very few people in those income brackets ever maximize their tax-free or tax-deferred avenues for income and capital accumulation. To the extent that they are making those investments, they are getting bad investment advice.

Buku
Buku

Albert,

Please provide a definition of Marxism so I may respond to your post.

Albert
Albert

Buku, I can go to wiki or many, many sources and copy and paste lots of information. Just tell me which source you would prefer, and if you require a link or the complete contents. I can provide info on Stalinism as well.

But let's just assume you're much better informed, and on that basis you can rebut any points I have made.

Buku
Buku

We are not working from "the most notable implementation" of the terms socialism, Marxism, democracy or capitalism. What we are working from is someone like Bachmann calling other Republicans "frugal socialists." That's the alternative to Obama, the full-bore socialist.

Those usages and the implementation of them, are not of our own introspection, they're used as slings and arrows by the unthinking. Political operatives and the like. And we voraciously pick them up and hurl them at each other. If Bachmann is so convinced of the evils of US socialism, perhaps she should avail herself of the farm subsidies and medicaid payments she enjoys. Or maybe she is the "frugal socialist." 

There is a lot to your post agree with, but the other, there is no proof this is the case.

RTGolden
RTGolden

Unfortunately, we have current and historical references for what is termed socialist, marxist, democracy, capitalism, etc.  As someone told me, when I pointed out that palestinians cannot be anti-semitic, being a semitic people themselves, "There's no stuffing that genie back into the bottle".While it is great to be knowledgeable on the actual contents of Marx's writing, there really is no tangible implementation of them to refer to.  Socialism, Communism, Democracy, ad nauseum, are defined by the most notable implementations of them at hand.  True representative democracy would look nothing like what the US has, nor would that work, but the US is held up as the defining example of democracy.  The Soviet Union was not a true representation of socialism, but was held to be the defining example of it.Your argument is great in a poli-sci debate or lecture, it lacks traction in the real world.

Baku
Baku

No, I think it is used as a provocation and that very few people actually understand the term or its historical implications or even what parts of Marxist thought can be useful.

Obama is not a Marxist. As far as the Occupy Dallas crowd, haven't seen any evidence that they understand it either.I see a few hot-head young guys leading the charge, maybe they have some radical books they like to display. Let's hear about how laborers are being exploited by capitalists (those who control the capital of production), and we can talk. Or how the US government historically functions as a catalyst for both socialism and capitalism, it's not one or the other. There arguments might lead them to China, however.

It's the degree of imprecise description of almost any and all government or economic systems that riles me, not a discussion of Marxism. Really tired of anyone using socialism, Marxism, etc. 

Phelps
Phelps

Do you think that Marxist is an insult?

Albert
Albert

"Do you really think that Pres. Obama is a Marxist?"

I believe Marxism has influenced him through his life moreso than any other ideology.

"why is there such a lack of precision when discussing these matters?"

That is the nature of #Occupy that is acknowledged even by their own spokespersons.

"If there is the element of Marxist thought going on, I'd like to hear it."

I have already provided you that evidence in the partial list of Marxist supporters. I could go through each of their various demands and identify those with socialist/marxist roots if you'd like.

"they're just verbal land mines..."

They can be, especially in the US, where many socialists do not like to be labeled as such, unlike Europe for instance, where the term is not considered pejorative

"People are suffering, the suffering is real."

And Marxists offer Marxist solutions. That's not very difficult to understand.

"If Obama's a Marxism, please, let's hear your evidence."

No, this is a thread about #Occupy, and by extension the global socialist uprising.

Baku
Baku

I fail to recognize why you think I've used the term in a pejorative way. Simply trying to get at what your point is in using it. Take this quote for example,

"It is of little surprise that marxist effort would flourish under a historically Marxist president, and it will be little surprise when the movement fails.The question is, what's next? Anyone familiar with leftism knows the answer."

Do you really think that Pres. Obama is a Marxist?  Do you really think the movement has flourished because they are aligned with a Marxist agenda coordinated, directly or indirectly, with Obama's Marxist agenda?

Some of your comments in the beginning had some merit, but then I get to a few sentences like the one above and I ask myself, "what?" It boils down to this, whether it's you or the Occupy Dallas people, why is there such a lack of precision when discussing these matters? If there is the element of Marxist thought going on, I'd like to hear it. Frankly, I think it's just toying around with things that sound provocative. Which is sort of the same reason someone like Bachmannn would use it. And no one is the press corps ever asks for an explanation of it, or the usage of similar terms --they're just verbal land mines. If someone were to tell me in a short sentence what benefits could be gleaned from Marxist thought that could be applied to present circumstances, fine. But in the present form, it's a big waste of time for the reasons you mentioned in the beginning of your post. People are suffering, the suffering is real. 

If Obama's a Marxism, please, let's hear your evidence.

Albert Finney000
Albert Finney000

Well, that, and the body count which set a modern record, maybe.

But as we know, that's not the fault of Marxist ideals, but the flawed nature of every single leader that has governed under this ideology. As any Communist will tell you, Communism has never been attempted, the Right Man has yet to come along. But when he does, baby, it's gonna be paradise!

People often get upset when I label Obama a Marxist, but one thing I've learned about this marvelous man is that his detractors know much more about him than his sycophants.

In all the videos I've seen from Occupy, I've seen none which are anti-Obama, and why would they, given that he has for two years used classic leftist/Marxist rhetoric and is the spiritual leader of this movement.

Dingus
Dingus

Because Marxism was a theoretical 19th century initial reaction to the negative effects of capitalism that has been tempered by the occurrence of Stalinist purges and Maoist cultural revolutions?

Albert
Albert

I couldn't help but notice the heavy socialist themes in this movement, and the strong support from CPUSA (ask them what they consider Marxist perhaps), along with the Revolutionary Communist Party, Hugo Chavez, the CPC, and the government of N. Korea among others.

Now, I could be so ignorant of Marxism that I believed it was comedy, but when organizations, states and leaders committed to Marxism lend public support to a movement, and the participants voice Marxist ideals - there's a damn good chance the movement is, well, Marxist, don't you think?

By your tone, it's apparent you consider the label "Marxist" to be pejorative, why is that?

Buku
Buku

Wiki, cut and paste, no thanks. You know, Marx was a prolific writer. There is a Manifesto. And plenty of historical analyses of the failures of Marxism. But, really, just looking for what you--without any sources other than your own definition off the top of your head--can provide. 

I think it is fair question. You're the one slinging the terms around.

Titus Groan
Titus Groan

He doesn't know, so I wouldn't bother responding.

Leftist Conservative
Leftist Conservative

A government organization will always find fault in anything in order to keep things under the radar. As much as I don't agree with the hap hazard way that some of the protesters are conducting themselves and the mixed message that is being sent, I feel that something needs to be done to fix what is broken. Many issues have been solved in the past with the formation of groups to protest about something that they feel strongly about (how the USA came about), but the mixed messages and the poor attempt at a 60's like love in, will not gather them any steam, and the efforts of the meek to inherit the US will go to the way side... I am part of the 1% and I work damn hard to be there !!

MattL1
MattL1

Wow, all of those HORRIBLE crimes?  Jeez...

brett
brett

yeah, i mean, who HASN'T statutorily raped someone?

MattL1
MattL1

I wasn't referring to that one, which is already being dealt with.  I'm talking about the other bullshit charges.  But sure, cherry-pick the bad one.  

For the record, I haven't.

MattL1
MattL1

Did I say they weren't?  Jesusfuckingchrist...

MattL1
MattL1

Mine?  It ain't me, babe.

cp
cp

You know, I'm a little sick of you complaining about having to pick your shit- literally. If this were happening in your neighborhood park, you would not welcome it. At least I know I wouldn't. 

Poppacraig
Poppacraig

And I think it is pretty obvious that rape and child abuse are horrific crimes.

MattL1
MattL1

That's not what I meant, but you already knew that.  

I was talking about the last paragraph, which sounds like a hungover parent grounding their child for bullshit reasons just to get some peace and quiet.

MattL1
MattL1

I think it's pretty obvious to what I was referring.  

Poppacraig
Poppacraig

Oh so you were talking about child neglect/abuse. Glad you cleared that up.

It shows a great deal of hypocrisy to be out protesting that the entire nations social contract is broken but not be able to keep your side of a bargain with such simple requirements as don't shit in the street.

brett
brett

cherry-pick the sexual assault of a 14 year old girl?  You would prefer the city just treat that the same a littering?  

Wow, I must really be the 1%.

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