Yucatan, Service Bar's Hearing Canceled As City, Clubs Agree on Temporary Arrangement

CAP856

SERVICEbAR WAS DENIED AN SUP BECAUSE IT HAD 9 PI IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WELL THE BARS THAT WERE GRANTED SUP;S ALSO HAVE PI'S AND FIGHTS. THERE GRIPE IS WITH THE OWNER. CHECK THIS OUT SUGAR SHACK HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR 10 MONTHS AND HAVE 8 PI'S IN THE LAST TENS MONTHS HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE. SO YOU SEE THE CITY HAS A HARD ON FOR THE OWNER. SERVICE BAR IS AN ICON ON GREENVILLE AVE BUT THE CITY DOESN'T LIKE THE OWNER,SO THERE EXCUSE IS LETS FIND A WAY TO CLOSE THEM. WELL QUESS WHAT NOT HAPPENING THE OWNER SUED THE CITY AND IF NOT GRANTED BY A JUDGE THEY WILL CONTINUE TO STAY OPEN. SERVICE BAR IS NOT GOING ANY WHERE.

Sbr49

It is pretty ironic that the bars that had enough "trouble" associated with them to lead to them being denied for the SUP, will be beneficiaries of good volume business (think TU-OU weekend) when there are several good tenants that will still be closed from midnight to 2:00 am because going through the proper channels takes the patience of Job, a healthy bank account and a fondness for incredible amounts of red tape!

BCulbreath

Many former City Plan Commissioners have said time and time again City Officials need to stop using zoning to regulate human behavior.Zoning is land used not potty training.City of Dallas went all the way to Supreme Court with Topless Clubs, and lost.Federal Ruling says you cannot keep them out of your City,you must ear mark 5% of proper zoned land that such Clubs can be built.Not one Topless club has gone broke this means people support them,Dallas has more Freaks and other perverts performing in the dark until they get busted, talking about Topless,same folk have all types on sex video at home.Its sicken how these people speak from both sides of mouth.

George

I understand Yucatan being a problem, but I really don't understand the Service Bar complaints. There was a fight in front of The Old Crow a couple of weeks ago after some family leaving had to jostle for sidewalk space. Is that a reason to shut them down? No!

abuckley1970

the fight in front of Old Crow originated at 180. :)

George

Not per the police report http://policereports.dallaspol... or BD http://www.barkingdogs.org/new...

abuckley1970

ah, well then I stand somewhat corrected. I got the point of origin right. LOL

My apologies George

Guest

The fight broke out in front of the Old Crow, but people were coming from 180. I was smoking at the moment it happened.

abuckley1970

I said it originated at 180 from the accounts I got. it was not in front of old crow - the address on your police report says 1900 greenville - that's the other side. Old Crow is 1911 Greenville. either way, it sucks that it happened.

Justin Julian

Am I the only one that sees this as a BIG win for the clubs, and a big 'DOH!' for any club that didn't sue like Yucatan and Service Bar? Dallas must be scared of something, or they'd have walked in there and expected to smite them. I think the city is terrified that the SUP's are going to be struck down by a court and then they're going to have a real mess of their hands.

BCulbreath

Dallas City Attorney has said for years he does not regulate alcohol ,the State does.What Dallas has done in put an Ordinance on the books that says,Even though establishment has a State License saying it can serve alcohol until 2AM,City of Dallas says you cannot without an SUP,if City had that rule prior to establishment opening,State would not have issued 2AM license. State is not taking kind to Dallas doing this silly rule when everyone need the sales tax revenue and all of a sudden Dallas is superseeding State government..

Nah, the City has decided that putting people out of business is really bad business and a potential nightmare, under certain circumstances.

Paul

One difference Justin is that Service Bar already has an SUP as a bar. In essence the City is wanting to amend Service Bar's already existing SUP.

I do not know what Yucatan's CO is for, but it is my understanding that their CO is "Restaurant with out Drive In (Drive Through) Service". If any body knows for a fact what Yucatan's CO is, please add it.

Since Dallas is a home rule city, it can through its P&Z ordinances limit the hours in which alcohol can be served to less than that allowed under state law. It must however offer a process, in this case an SUP, to allow alcohol sales between the time that the City allows and what the State allows.

Since you appear to be quite the supporter of these businesses, how about working on relocating them to your neighborhood?

PS: As abuckley1970 points out below I have Yucatan and Service Bar confused as to which one has the existing SUP as a bar. It is indeed Yucatan that has the SUP as a bar. Does anyone know if Service Bar has an SUP as a bar or is it a "Restaurant without Drive In (Drive Through) Service?

Amy S.

I really wish we could have that upscale mini-bowling alley over on the west side of Preston Center - very little residential, the "square" formation insulates area neighborhoods, huge parking garage in the center, could be an entertainment "draw" for guests at restaurants and hotels. But they'd never get an allowance to operate past midnight there either.

abuckley1970

yucatan has an SUP for a bar, not Service Bar

Paul

My bad, I went back and checked your posting on the Yucatan SUP. The point is still true that one of the businesses does indeed have the correct paperwork and the other does not.

Guest

Because his neighborhood isn't asking the city to spend a shit ton of money fixing roads to support already established businesses in an area that has been the home to that type of business and the jobs they create for decades only to have the neighborhood fuck them and the City over? The neighborhood turned it around on the businesses and the city's tax base like a housewife that says yes to anal and then shows up with a strap-on.

Paul

As I said:

"As far as I am concerned neither Avi Adleman nor LGNA speak for me, if those are the neighborhood groups that you are referring to. "

Avi is an activist, but hardly speaks for the neighborhood. LGNA doesn't think that anything exists south of Belmont, except to have a power struggle with Avi.

As far as a bait and switch goes, I think that this was not intentional. Neither Hunt, Adelman nor the LGNA are that smart. Adelman would probably like to think that.

There is no reason for the city to have proceeded this way as CO can merely be amended.

I think that it is more of a case of City Staff showing the City Council who is really in charge of the looneybin.

MattL1

"...like a housewife that says yes to anal and then shows up with a strap-on." Nice.

And people wonder why I'm afraid to get married...

Downtown Resident

"The improvements on LG were between the business owners and the City."

Even dyed in the wool east Dallas hippie (meant with all due respect) Jim Schutze acknowledges that Angela Hunt and the neighborhood malcontents pulled a bait and switch on the business owners.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/...

Paul

What?? If you are going to use allegory to describe someone changing their minds, you might want to consider something slightly less offensive as this is a public forum.

I am a little tired of people who keep thinking that the P&Z ordinances are somehow suspended in this area. Telling someone that they are welcome to these businesses which they are defending in their neighborhoods seems quite reasonable.

The improvements on LG were between the business owners and the City.

As far as I am concerned neither Avi Adleman nor LGNA speak for me, if those are the neighborhood groups that you are referring to.