Verbal Sparring Between Romney and Perry Highlight GOP Debate, But Three Bachmann Quotes Prove She Needs to Go Home

If you missed last night's CNN Western Republican debate in Nevada, the clip above is the best example of why the GOP is seriously screwed no matter who they choose. The two supposed front-runners -- Mitt Romney and Rick Perry -- acted like a couple of high schoolers, barking and interrupting each other as they effectively minimized the illegal immigration issue by painting each other as hypocrites.

These debates would go much smoother if all the candidates would just admit that they are pretty much hypocrites about pretty much everything.

Instead, we're treated to Perry admonishing Romney for hiring a couple of illegal immigrants to mow his lawn a few years ago and Romney telling Perry to point the finger at himself for signing legislation that gave tuition breaks to illegals. Romney emerged from the confrontation as the clear winner -- if for no other reason than Perry coming across as a complete asshole -- but he couldn't do it without shooting himself in the foot.

While explaining the lawn mowing situation, Romney said, "So we went to the company, and we said, 'Look, we can't have illegals working on our property. I'm running for office, for Pete's sake. I can't have illegals.'"

So it's not really that Romney's against hiring illegals. He's only against it when he's running a political campaign. Got that?

And the bickering back and forth between those two about who has created more jobs is quickly rising to the top of the most annoying topics talked about in these debates. Can't we just call it a tie, gents, and move on to something with substance? Didn't think so.

Romney and Perry also teamed up with other candidates in attacking Herman Cain's 9-9-9 Plan, and Cain paid the price, as he failed to adequately combat their questions, repeatedly accusing both of comparing apples and oranges. Cain also slipped up when answering a question about negotiating with terrorists. Last night, he said he wouldn't do so under any circumstances, but he had made a statement previously that if an American life were at stake, he'd consider freeing prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.

But really no Romney-Perry clash, Cain gaffe or even goofball comment by Ron Paul compares to the ineptness shown by Michele Bachmann.

Sure, she's screwed up plenty of times before this, and her performance last night wasn't her all-time worst, but this had to be the nail in her campaign's coffin. In short, if the debate was an episode of Survivor, Bachmann would have been the unanimous choice to pack her bags and go home.

While all the candidates reference Obama, she's by far the worst. Bachmann doesn't seem to grasp that she's running against the people on that stage, not the incumbent. And she takes swipes at the president in unnecessary ways, like pointing out that the uncle and aunt he doesn't have contact with are illegal immigrants.

Seemingly every time she opened her mouth, something crazy came out, but three of her comments stand out in particular as ones that make you want to jab an ice-pick in your eye and beg for mercy.

3: "This is one night when I hope what happens in Vegas doesn't stay in Vegas."

So cheesy and manufactured. And: She needs to forget last night ever happened and hope everyone else does as well.

2: "I will build a double-walled fence with an area of security neutrality in between."

While discussing border control, Bachmann tried to one-up everyone else by saying she'd build not one, but two walls across the entire southern border of the U.S. Why two? Nobody asked, but apparently she plans on setting up some kind of Switzerland situation in between them. And two is better than one, right?

1: "The good news is the cake is baked. Barack Obama will be a one-term president. Now the question is: We need to listen to Ronald Reagan, who said, 'No pastels. Bold colors.' I am the most different candidate from Barack Obama than anyone on this stage. We can't settle in this race."

Anderson Cooper tried his hardest to keep Bachmann from uttering these words, claiming everyone's campaigns were urging him to wrap-up the debate, but Bachmann was able to shoe-horn in a phrase even more awkward and scripted than her previous one about Vegas, prepare everyone for a question she never posed and make a reference to bold colors while wearing only white and black. Priceless.

Bonus: "[Obama's] taken his eyes off the No. 1 issue in the world: that's Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. That makes all of us much danger. And the president of Iran is a genocidal maniac."

That middle sentence is a direct quote. Enough said.

Oh, yeah, and the best candidate last night? Jon Huntsman, who claimed he boycotted the debate because he disapproves of Nevada's caucus date and instead spent the day in New Hampshire.


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Rawlins Gilliland
Rawlins Gilliland

This is the best single political overview wrap of the Vegas 'debates' specifically.... & the current state of GOP verbal masturbatory moon dance mantras in general...I've seen anywhere.   It's so thorough & linear & on-the-mark 'Bingo' I cannot add a thing.  But as I said to the roaming server doling out hot rolls to the lip-licking beefy patrons at that family buffet, 'Keep 'em coming'. 

WW
WW

Theda SkocpolProfessor of Government and Sociology, Harvard :

" Why not ask whether any of these folks are offering ideas that would promote growth, jobs, and a bit more widespread income in the U.S. economy? The answer is that all of them would make things worse."http://www.politico.com/arena/....

" There is another more humane and realistic path in which immigrants could earn the right to stay — if Congress would accept its responsibility and move ahead with serious immigration reform. America’s history shows that assimilation works better than deportation — for everyone."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10....

Dallas Morning News: " We’ve called for comprehensive immigration reform, ... as well as a guest worker program to create a system of documentation and a pathway to regularization.."http://michellemalkin.com/2008...

kids clothes
kids clothes

Seems ALL we ever hear is all about the Media darlings, Rick Perry,Mitt Romney..have we forgot about RON PAUL or are the media controllers running scared and putting him on the back burner.. ( dont tell the public anything about RON PAUL because he might win.. ) seems like fear is setting in early... :)

Diane Birdwell
Diane Birdwell

Has anyone else noticed that Perry seemed to be IN FAVOR of going after the "job-creators" who hire illegals? Since when has he been in favor of a federal raid on businesses?

I say, start with Highland Park. Start arresting a few of the Ladies Who Lunch who hire undocumented maids, nannies, etc... Then move on to their husband's jobs.... According to Perry, any of them who hires a landscaper has essentially hired an illegal!!! Come on, start rolling up in those vans, La Migra! Hit Douglas, Beverley and Preston Hollow now!

Mark
Mark

The only acceptable candidate is Ron Paul.  PERIOD.  He's the only one who actually uses logic and factual evidence to support his claims instead of simply spouting highly calculated talking points, he's the only one who doesn't contradict himself and go back on his word, and he's the only one who is not being tightly held in the pockets of corporations and lobbyists.  I really wish he would run on an independent platform instead of as a Republican.  More evidence why Ron Paul is the only good choice:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Sloppy Joe
Sloppy Joe

I really am trying to stay retired, but I see Merten is now being allowed to comment on both sports and politics. It's like Joe Tone is deliberately baiting me. If the World Series ends and Merten is still here instead of back digging through dumpsters on Shady Trail, I will have to consider pulling a Brett Favre.

Merten, don't let your disdain for Rick Perry's politics cloud your thinking. I don't know that Mitt Romney was the clear winner. He put his hands on Perry. That's not a civilized thing to do.

Romney is a smart man. He speaks eloquently. He knows the issues. He has an impressive education, even for a rich kid. But he knows that he is smart. He's so smart that he can't even stand having his JD/MBA from Harvard tested in a debate against Perry's C-average bachelor's in animal science.

That bit Romney last night. He was tired of Perry interrupting. He can't stand the accent, the uninformed answers, and the populism. He couldn't take anymore, and he put his hands on Perry. I think that could be costly if it is framed the right way (I.e., Romney is thin-skinned, tempermental, doesn't get along with people, isn't a man of the people, etc.).

It's sort of like Mr. Tone. No matter how ignorant that man is, and no matter how stupid his decisions, I lose all credibility (and freedom from state custody) if I ever put my hands on him.

Ed D.
Ed D.

"That makes all of us much danger" should be Bachmann's campaign slogan.

MattL1
MattL1

So, you're saying I made the right choice by watching the Stars game over this last night?

Jack E. Jett
Jack E. Jett

When Ricky & Mitty were having their cat fight, I couldn't tell who the audience was booing.  I also wonder where and why Marcus Bachman is in hiding.

Rt76209
Rt76209

Rick Perry and Michelle Bachman are doing wonders for my contention that the most over-rated asset in the United States is a college degree.  They both have them and I wouldn't want either flipping any burger that I'm going to eat, very much less having anything to do with formulating policy or making decisions that impact government.  Can we please send Mr Perry to the used car lot that is holding a spot for him and Bachman back to....well, not sure, but somewhere we don't have to hear her. 

I worry that the Republicans are lacking a strong, worthy candidate and the Democrats will run again with Obama, who is doing a great imitation of Jimmy Carter.  Not a great outcome with a winner from either side. 

Lee
Lee

Another pretty awesome Michele Bachmann quote from last night: "The president put us in Libya. Now he's put us in Africa."Yes, Michele Bachmann didn't know that Libya was in Africa.

The Derelict
The Derelict

i had to start doing rails again to sit through that.

mantikos
mantikos

And yet no one mentioned the biggest threat to the world...PAKISTAN!

John_McKee
John_McKee

Wait, you are back at the Observer Sam?

This was all simply amazing to watch, it's like they have already decided that Obama losing is a forgone conclusion and the only remaining question is which one of them is going to be president, in the mean time they don't seem to realize they are mortally wounding themselves and their party going into a race that isn't a foregone conclusion and is going to be a very tough fight. What happened last night was a bunch of bickering children attacking each other without providing any clear vision of what they would do as president, it was embarrassing and not one of the people up there looked fit to lead our country while giving Obama tons of ammo going into the next election.

scottindallas
scottindallas

It's you.  Iran is in total compliance according to the IAEA.  There is no evidence that they have a nuke weapons program.  They have the right to develop nuclear power.  As it is all their nuclear facilities are under inspection, camera watch and all their uranium is under constant surveillance.  The very same people who made the fatuous case for WMD in Iraq are the same ones crying about Iran.  They should have no credibility, but that's not how the US media works. 

Go to Jim Lobe's www.Lobelog.com if your interested in this issue. 

scottindallas
scottindallas

It is clearly a gambit by Romney to look a bit more human.  Mika seemed to be impressed. 

Iwearblack
Iwearblack

It should replace "All your base are belong to us..."

RTR
RTR

No, the debate was funny and entertaining as hell!!! You missed out. 

Montemalone
Montemalone

They were booing both of them because neither one pulled a gun.

mynameisURL
mynameisURL

I'll just bet that there were 2 very nervous and anxious hairstylists backstage as that was going down.

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

Seemed to me that they were booing Mr. Perry.  He didn't seem to get a good response from the audience on any of his talking points.

DoubleOJoe
DoubleOJoe

Under Ricky's podium.  I think we all know why.

scottindallas
scottindallas

At least Carter is underrated.  Obama won't even be seen as that.

Mavdog
Mavdog

Her point is in regard to the recent deployment of advisors to central Africa who are to provide support to the efforts in pursuing the Lord's Resistance Army. So yes, Obama did send US military to Africa.

Where Bachmann is wrong (again) is Obama never put US troops in Libya, which was a great decision. Isn't it interesting that the republicans cannot even bring themselves to giving Obama the kudos he deserves for his handling of the regime change in Libya, keeping US military out of the battles and shifting the costs of the campaign to NATO and therefore shared with Europe?

RTGolden
RTGolden

...... and Obama thought there were 52 or 53 states.  big deal.  Making fun of Bachmann is like shooting bullets out of a gun.  It just happens.

scottindallas
scottindallas

To her credit, forgive me, the IS a difference between North Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa.  All the North African countries, the Magreb and Egypt have substantial trade, linguistic and other ccommonalities that aren't enjoyed across that prohibitive desert.  Or dessert, I like dessert better, especially prohibitive desserts--so decadent, so delicious.

scottindallas
scottindallas

the next debate is supposed to focus on foreign policy.  I hope that Ron Paul gets to express and defend his stance against the general consensus of the rest of the field.

Sam_Merten
Sam_Merten

Nope, John, not officially back with the DO. Just doing some freelance work.

Montemalone
Montemalone

To me, the really amazing thing is that Obama has raised more campaign cash than the whole repub slate combined. I think that says quite a bit about the general consensus.

Mavdog
Mavdog

Scott, this must be news to you, but the IAEA report does not say that Iran is "in total compliance", and in fact the latest IAEA report details that Iran is NOT complying with its obligation to suspend enrichment related activities and heavy water related projects, nor has Iran provided to the IAEA requested information relating to "possible military dimensions" of Iran's nuclear program.

In addition Iran has refused to provide information to the IAEA regarding new designs of their reactors, and has not adhered to the Additional Protocol enacted to verify undeclared nuclear materials and activities.

Long and short, Iran is treating the IAEA like a mushroom, keeping the IAEA in the dark and feeding it manure.

The failure by Iran to provide the items to the IAEA which clarifies its activities and establishes that Iran is NOT pursuing a nuclear weapons program leads to a logical conclusion that Iran IS pursuing a nuclear weapon, otherwise Iran would be providing the items requested by the IAEA.

The fact is Iran has nuclear materials, Iran is currently enriching those materials into higher grades, and Iran is developing and producing delivery systems capable of carrying a payload.

Iran is a credible threat to others, having threatened other nations with annilation, and we should be wary of their obtaining a nuclear weapon.

Bill Lumbergh
Bill Lumbergh

"They have the right to develop nuclear power."

If only irrational fear didn't overcome simple logic like that.

Sloppy Joe
Sloppy Joe

Yeah, but sometimes when you try to be something you're not, you end up being Dukakis in a tank. Dukakis wasn't a warrior any more than Romney is a real boy, and trying to look otherwise can be worse than just being a bit off.

I'm not saying that this moment was as bad as the tank. It just wasn't good. To me. We'll see what the polls say. Sometimes Republican voters come up with some weird stuff like Herman Cain's surge in the polls or the choice of John McCain in 2008 simply because he wasn't Mitt Romney.

Montemalone
Montemalone

Carter was simply ahead of his time.Unfortunately, we still haven't caught up.

Darryl
Darryl

I hate when people bring up the 52 or 53 state bullshit. We all flub a line, but we all know how much smarter the president is than Bachmann and Perry, etc.

Bill Lumbergh
Bill Lumbergh

The "because one guy said something stupid, it is ok for everyone else to say stupid things too" defense is yet another sign of how sad a state of affairs personal party affiliation has become.

RTR
RTR

If he is even there. For all the candidates that are really low on campaign funds, its time to bow out of the race, before the next debate and required filings. 

Jack E. Jett
Jack E. Jett

I didn't know you had left DO.  I didn't see it on Perez Hilton.  Share the dirt.  Was it sexual harrassment from Wilonsky?

Jack E. Jett
Jack E. Jett

Libs are not happy with Obama and he could easily be beaten if the Repubs had a decent candidate.  They seem to be trying so hard to out butch each other.  I do hope that Rick Perry gets the nomination as he and his wife will create great material for SNL. 

shane_76
shane_76

Since when does the amount of  money raised say anything at all about the "general consensus?"

Phelps
Phelps

To me, the amazing thing is that Democrats seem to think that Obama raising less money than GWB did in the corresponding point in 2003 is some sort of accomplishment.

scottindallas
scottindallas

so say your war-mongers who confuse facts with suspicions.  Iran is in complete compliance, the IAEA is ever wary and on the case.  You are confusing Iran's disclosure of the Qom reactor, which was in fact long known, and which didn't need to be disclosed until it was operational.  Once it was operational, it was disclosed.  Iran nor Ahmadinejad ever threatened any other nation with "annilation" but said the Zionist regime that denies rights to it's citizens can't long endure.  Again, MEMRI has interpreted Ahmadinejad's words with a pernicious agenda.  Juan Cole has written extensively on this. 

scottindallas
scottindallas

Ron Paul is number 3 in funds I think, he is well above Newt, Bachman, Santorum and even Cain--though he may, or not catch up soon.  I respect Paul's earnestness and consistency.  I don't agree with him on much of his policies, but he's right on civil rights, prohibitions, and foreign policy.  Those are half my gripes with the GOP and the majority of my problem with this gov't.  I wish we could have Ron Paul and Dennis Kuccinnich get the nods of the GOP and Dems respectively.  That would be a debate I would LOVE to watch.

Montemalone
Montemalone

He's guilty of consorting with the enemy. He's an Obama appointee, remember?

Downtown Resident
Downtown Resident

Repubs won't put up a decent candidate, Jon Huntsman seems incapable of dumbing himself down to the level necessary to take the primaries.

Montemalone
Montemalone

Since the Supremes (without Diana) have basically said money is people, the more money you raise, the more votes you gonna get.

Mavdog
Mavdog

uh, right. saying that a country "should be wiped off he face of the earth" and will be "annilated" is not threatening, it's being nice and pleasant. gawd, just how obtuse could you be?

the USA has not "voided' the NPT  in any form or fashion, and really our conduct is not even relative to the issue. This is about the actions and goals of Iran, and those actions and goals are anything but passive and contributory to world peace. the Iranian regime has blood on its hands from murders committed in germany, france and argentina. Iran is aiding the syrian government's violent repression of the syrian people in the same fashion that Iran violently suppressed the Iranian people previously. that is a fact and is indisputable. Actually I expect you to assert that Iran doesn't violently suppress its own people or muder expatriates, that this is just a conspiracy by the "war lobby".

really, being an apologist for a murderous, ruthless group of dictators is not a very attractive nor defensible position to take.

BTW the link I provided is not an "article", it is the actual IAEA report. It supports the failure of the Iranian government to comply with its obligations in every single item I stated above. if you are asserting that the IAEA is "war lobby" you really need a reality check.

scottindallas
scottindallas

They threatened no one.  There is a difference to calling a country a blight on the world that should be removed and threatening it.  Furthermore, the US and ISrael have actually voided the NPT with regard to the repeated threats they've made against this nation that hasn't invaded another nation in hundreds of years.  http://www.salon.com/writer/gl...    Try actual fact based journalists, not whores for war.

Did you read the article you posted?  The only thing Iran is guilty of there is not being able to prove a negative.  Meanwhile, a nuclear armed country, that is not bound by any treaties, a rogue nation with 200 undeclared warheads threatens nuclear war weekly. 

"34. Although it is obliged to suspend all enrichment related activities and heavy water related projects, Iran is conducting a number of activities at UCF and the Fuel Manufacturing Plant (FMP) at Esfahan, as described below, that are in contravention of those obligations, notwithstanding that both facilities are under Agency safeguards."

That is the most contentious factual paragraph in the article and it is factually wrong.  Iran has full right to develop nuclear power for peaceful purposes.  The heavy water facility is allowed, that is their right.  The same patsy alarmist new head, at the request of the US said that Iran has refined uranium to 20%, essentially the hardest part of getting to plus 90% purity needed for nuclear fission.  That is also wrong and deeply misleading.  Please, if you're earnest, seek out other sources of information, not more of the same, war lobby spokespeople that were so wrong on Iraq, and every other chance for war they could applaud.

Our own best intel suggest that Iran is nowhere near to building a bomb, and bombing them won't dissuade them.  Check the impeccable sources I've linked to, read their substantive reporting and make your own opinion.

Mavdog
Mavdog

you are wrong scott. here is the IAEA report, it totally supports my points above.http://iaea.org/Publications/D...

It is really absurd to say that Ahmedinejad has not called for the annilation of Israel when he says Israel is a "disgraceful blot that should be wiped off the face of the earth". Ahmadinejad also said "with god's grace this regime (Israel) will be annilated".

Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani actually said in a sermon Iran should hit Israel with a nuclear bomb.The Iranian theocracy is not to be taken lightly; their actions over the last 3 decades show them to be unpredictable, irrational and a group who have little value for human life. they have murdered their own people as well as others with no remorse. these are very dangerous people.

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