Turns Out We May Not Be Done With Fighting Over Redistricting Map After All

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And here Anna thought she was done with redistricting. Hah!

A Friend of Unfair Park just sent us an invite to wingding Domingo Garcia's throwing at Tejano Restaurant on West Davis scheduled to kick off at 6:30 p.m. Says the come-one-come-all signed by the redistricting commissioner:
"The Dallas city council on Wednesday passed a new city council map that creates only two Latino opportunity districts and will possibility put at risk two other districts. We need to have a forum to stop this plan and raise funds for a lawsuit against the city of Dallas. Please join us this Monday at 6:30pm at Tejano's Restaurant at 110 W. Davis,Dallas,TX. Forward this to your friends and familia! Plans may include city wide protests and other actions. We can not allow our community to be taken advantage of by being under represented."
When contacted moments ago at his law office, Garcia said if the city sends to the Department of Justice the map it approved last week, then "we're looking at a full-on concerted effort" to keep the DOJ from approving it, based, he said, on "clear violations of the Voting Rights Act." He also promised a lawsuit if it's sent to DOJ -- though, as redistricting commissioner, he wouldn't be able to sue the city. Still, plenty of others have offered to go to the courthouse.

"It's clear the demographics have changed so dramatically there should be at least five Hispanic opportunity district, and the map, in our opinion creates, create only two," he reiterates. "Redistricting is inherently political. And incumbents are inherently protective of their re-election prospects. And what we saw last week was just incumbency becoming the No. 1 issue as opposed to fairness, compactness and adhering to the Voting Rights Act."

Word also is Hispanic leaders have been meeting with the mayor to discuss retooling last week's approved map. Paula Blackmon, Mayor Mike Rawlings's chief of staff, says: That's true. "Yes," she tells Unfair Park this afternoon, "the mayor has spoken with members of the Latino community regarding the approved map." I asked: Does this mean he could call another special redistricting meeting before the map has to be turned in by Saturday? "There are still four, five more days until the map has to be turned in," she says, "so there's always that possibility." Anna has cleared her schedule accordingly.

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bbetzen
bbetzen

Not since the days of slavery in the US has anyone been counted for anything less than one. The reason for their presence in the US was not involved in the count. Thus, what are the numbers?

Here are the numbers:Group, loss or gain since 2000, current numbers, proportional number of council seats:Hispanic, 84,665 gain, currently 507,309, which is 42.35% of 14 or 5.93White, 65,526 loss, currently 345,205, which is 28.82% of 14 or 4.03Black, 5,183 loss, currenttly 299,634, which is 25.02% of 14 or 3.50

This is a crude indication of the proportionality that should exist between the population in Dallas and the represenatives on the city council.

Those groups and individuals who do not vote, or are below age, or not citizens, will change such predictions in the districts where that population is a significant enough of a figure as to make a difference.

While voting age population numbers may help in predicting who actually may be elected in a certain district, their use is not a necessary obligation of the redistricting process, but allowed. If you google the three words, Dallas, proportional and redistricting, you will find a posting, including a chart, made in September that addresses these issues.

Watching South Detroit
Watching South Detroit

In the hispanic areas - how many of the residents are legal citizens, eligible to vote.  Garcia is using illegals to pad latino political power.  Not surprising for this sleazeball.

Omar Jimenez
Omar Jimenez

The problem is, how can you find out? By looking and see if they look like illegals?

Fredpmtncreek
Fredpmtncreek

Again, they aren't filing anything with the justice dept they just hope the Mayor caves in...book it.

So after all those.people marched a few years ago, they still don't vote?

How about they just go back to the old crazy map? Keep in mind that if that map was approved this one is easy.

Nobody at the paper asks Garcia the hard questions. It's a joke

bbetzen
bbetzen

The 6 council members who voted against the adopted map may have remembered the often repeated words during redistricting training: "a plan cannot have the effect of diluting racial, ethnic or language minorities."

There are 50% more white-majority districts (6) than Hispanic-majority districts (4) in the new approved city council map. This is in a city where the Hispanic population is 47% larger than the white, non-Hispanic population.

In terms of voting age population, only 34% of the Dallas voting age population is white but the approved map has 43% of districts, 6 districts out of 14, that are majority white. That same approved map has only 29% of districts, or 4 out of the 14, wherein Hispanics are in the majority. The Hispanic voting age population is 37% of the total voting age population of Dallas. These backwards numbers clearly document the "diluting" that is happening.The Voting Rights Act has been broken!

It is NOT about winning the vote.  It is about being able to win the vote if your voters turn up and vote. But when the Hispanic population has been fractured into multiple districts wherein they are only 30% of the population, and the much smaller smaller white population can be gathered into 5 white districts wherein they are the majority, and one coalition district wherein whites are the majority number, the law is being broken.   Well, the law has been broken if this map goes into effect.  The Justice Department should stop it.

Hasanmary
Hasanmary

At least someone finally told the truth about how many hispanic districts are in this map.  I feel that hispanics should have 5 seats but I also believe blacks should have 4.

Oak Cliff Res
Oak Cliff Res

Take off your blinders.  It's hard to make an argument over diluting a District with 74% VAP.  But throughout this entire proccess Domingo and as the Hispanic Councilmembers put it last week, Black and White Districts only need to be determined by VAP, Hispanic Districts need to be first apportioned by the 42% or the total population of the (which they think they that needs to be atleast 5), however there actual districts themself can't be determined by the total population.  The actual districts need to be determined by VAP, then by citizenship VAP, then the electability of the citizenship VAP.  They are saying that VAP is only good enough for Blacks and Whites, but they deserve 5 seats based on total population but there districts should be based on the electability of citizenship VAP???  If there districts should be based on electability of citizenship VAP then the Hispanic districts should be apportioned on the same criteria which would take their 5 down to 3. They can't have it both ways.  Either districts based on total population (and don't complain about where they are as long as they are the majority of the district, or 3 citizenship VAP districts.  The gaull of Hispanics to complain about a 74% districts when Blacks have to win 40% and borderline 50% districts...

bbetzen
bbetzen

The 74% VAP in District 1 issue, while potentially useful as evidence of packing, is only a sideline issue.  It is useful only to help emphasize the fact that the Voting Rights Act does NOT consider citizenship VAP or Voting VAP. It only counts Voting Age Population itself.  "Potential" is all the Voting Rights Act is about. It is about the right to have your vote count in a district wherein you have a community of like minded people who, if they vote, will win. You cannot design that community based on who actually votes, or can vote, but only on the count of people who are voting age. 

The MUCH bigger issue is that their are only 4 districts in the approved map wherein Hispanics are the majority group while there are 6 districts wherein whites are the majority group.  That takes gerrymandering to achieve, both packing and fragmenting, and that is illegal!  These numbers should be reversed with 6 majority Hispanic districts and 4 majority white districts. 

Due to voting patterns with greater numbers of whites voting, and due to the competence I personally have seen in Griggs who seems to be an unusually honest and sensitive politician, it is almost certain the results will continue to favor white candidates for now even with the best map possible, the wPlan03c Rawlings map. That is NOT the issue! 

The issue is to have districts wherein minorities are no longer redistricted out of any potential to see a candidate of their choice elected IF that minority also goes out and votes in numbers equal to, or greater than, other ethnic or racial groups. That is why the approved map is illegal. That is why any map that may be reconfigured in a quick City Council meeting this week to appease the Jasso/Griggs issue will still be illegal.  The issue that makes the map illegal that was approved by Dallas City Council map is much bigger and more fundamental than only the District 3/District 1 boundaries.

There are 12 districts in the approved map that have a 50% or more majority of one of the three major ethnic/racial groups: 5 white, 4 Hispanic, and 3 black districts.Two coalition districts remain with no 50% majority: District 3 with a 45% black majority and District 10 with a 42% white majority.

Fredpmtncreek
Fredpmtncreek

Oak cliff res, they will never take off the blinders. If the justice dept does anything, those areas are still going to be together.

They want it both ways.

The bottom line is that the growth in district t.three is due to black voters in my area of Mountain Creek. Not kessler park, and not north oak cliff.

Jpotrammell
Jpotrammell

When the voting rights was passed, the history leading up to it was about poll taxes and districts drawn to were not in balance when it came to the population. Some districts may have had 50,000 people some may have had 120,000. People who registered to vote had to pay a tax or were they were told they had to take a test. Now it's about the end justifies the means. The end means that you have to make sure that you have a specific number of a certain group no matter what you have to do to get there. Echoing the language of the 15th Amendment, the Act prohibits states from imposing any "voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure ... to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color. Did you see the part about CITIZEN. I am part hispanic and it's no one fault that because a small group of people in North Oak Cliff who care about the who represents them doesn't mean you turn about and change the rules. When 10% of a district can out vote 90% proves that either the 90% don't care or they are not enough citizens to vote. Based on what I have done in research the 2nd possibility is not true. So it must be the 1st part. Even if it was the 2 nd possibility, it's not a violation of the voting rights act. Hispanics are a very diverse group of people with many ideas and beliefs. Don't become a monolithic group.

Oak Cliff Res
Oak Cliff Res

So if the Commission passed a map with 5 Hispanic Districts and the Council took that same map and combined two of the Hispanic Districts into 1 Hispanic district and the highest populated Hispanic district, then how are there only 2 Hispanic Districts now.  Domingo has some fuzzy math.  At the Commission level, Domingo considered District 1, 2 ,3, 5 and 6 as Hispanic Districts even though District 3 would be represented by a white person.  Now District 1 and District 3 are combined and the Hispanic population is even higher in District 1 then in Domingo's map; Districts 2, 5 and 6 are the exact same Hispanic districts passed at Commission so how are there only 2???

BCulbreath
BCulbreath

What is there to protest? DOJ counts numbers and boundary lines,how can, they reject a mapwith 72% voting age Hispanics that census bureau counted.Who can make people vote. I know this will sound bad to some Hispanics but they cannot have it both ways.Counting Hispanics to gain numbers, and then turn around ,and discount them for voting purpose.Count is count what should happen instead of fighting a legal battle over a Council seat, it should be about educating to become Citizens. Why don't they run someone in East Dallas,Northwest Dallas why do all minority seats need to be in Dallas.White people will vote for Hispanic council candidates.Now Plano White's moving their Kids from Plano Public school because Asian are smarter what a HOOT!

Fredpmtncreek
Fredpmtncreek

Thats the question nobody at any of the papers has the guts to ask. They aren't filing anything...they just hope the Mayor caves. Even still, it has to be voted on he can't change it by himself.

yeahIsaidthat
yeahIsaidthat

If they need another minority district then they only need to look up between D9 and D10. There are enough minorities up there to carve one out.

Rawlins
Rawlins

I personally think District 6 & District 7 outsmarted themselves in this process holding out to get what they REALLY wanted vs the best deal they could strike.  We in the new District 5 however are likely to see a happy new era....whereas now for over a decade, our former District 4 was blocks thin & 11-14 miles WIDE>  So I was here closer to Mesquite & had friends in Oak Cliff on the west side of the Zoo who were in my district as were a few closer to south Oak Cliff's border with Lancaster.  It was insane.  By any margin by anyone's eyes, InSane. 

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