Occupy Dallas Protestors Arrested for Blocking Entrance to Chase Bank Branch Downtown

• Try reading all my posts.  I address the "same old, same old" in about every other post I put up here.

• That's a Mubarak quote right? ;)

• I wonder if Chase had to pay DPD 4.6 million like JP Morgan did?

• Is that a Mubarak quote? ;)

• Umm, 3.5% ? I actually have both subsidized and unsubsidized Stafford loans and I can tell you that the interest rates vary from 5 - 7.5% (depending on the type and what year it was taken out). And those are government loans - I don't imagine that the interest rates on private loans have been/are any lower. I know this is just a message board, but you should try checking your facts in the future. By the time I finish grad school (mathematics - not any of the supposedly useless degrees mentioned by previous posts - seems fitting that opponents of OWS would have no appreciation for literature and the arts) the accumulated interest will be pretty significant. I sure hope that the job market is better then. Whether you want to call it a "basic human right" or something else equally dramatic and philosophically problematic, it would be difficult to argue that human society wouldn't be a better place if guaranteed access to education and healthcare (not to mention a roof, clothing, and three meals a day) were available to all people. Of course it is always possible that 4.2 billion years of evolution on this planet could end with the most intelligent and unwise species it produced. . .

• Occupy Dallas (or anything else) = Nothing. Completely irrelevant, nothing more than a distraction which has won favor with some news people. Certainly not a national movement by any stretch of the imagination no matter the narrow angle coverage they get. Everyone will soon tire of them and they will all return to the margin of society where they belong.

• "Crazy interest rates for property or education loans"? Are you stupid? Have you see the interest rates for these loans? 3.5% education loans and 4.0% home loans. You're right, that IS freaking crazy!

• What exactly, may I ask, is a "corporate computer?" Or in what way is the internet "owned" by a corporation? Do you even know what the internet is? Furthermore, in what way we could even begin to construe the meaning of ownership when referring to an amorphous, international, electronic, "web" of communication technologies?  Assuming that what you meant to present is some kind of argument involving the origination and maintenance of computers and electronic networks, and supposing that your... (possessive: indicating ownership - in this case by you. Not to be confused with the contraction of 'you' and 'are' which is the present-tense, second-person form of the verb 'to be.' I mention this only on the off-chance that the rudimentary logic of grammar escapes you)  ...argument is valid (it isn't) let's think about this for a moment. Without going into excruciating detail (if you're interested you can check it out on Wikipedia) the fact is that both of the technologies you mention in addition to others (like cellular phones) were originally researched and developed by government agencies and universities (often using grant money from - you guessed it - government), both of which were almost wholly supported by public & private endowments, tax revenues, etc, etc. In many cases private companies that did work on these technologies received massive investments and contracts from - wait for it - government (and given the fact that that word is thrown around as pejoratively and as careless of its actual meaning as 'socialism' these days, you can substitute something like "We The People" for the word 'government'). Today the core technologies underlying modern electronic gadgets are often developed and maintained by a collaborative effort between the public and private sectors for the benefit (one would hope) of all. The fact is every tax payer, assembly line worker, scientist, silicon miner, etc, etc, has played a key role in the existence of these technologies. So yeah "corporate computer" . . . um . . . seriously? Even if corporations were primarily responsible for these tools your argument is clearly fallacious. Formally, I suppose that it is something like an argumentum ad hominem. Regardless, this type of argument makes about as much sense as using the fact that a young family defended themselves from home invasion using the attackers own weapon to somehow morally undermine the homeowner. To use another example, this is something like saying that if American revolutionaries made use of British made armaments during the revolutionary war they would have been somehow less heroic or have believed in liberty less. This is clearly absurd. The many people making these types of arguments in the wake of an honest, heartfelt, and much needed expression of populist outrage are either being intentionally and deceitfully disingenuous, or are simply woefully ignorant and hopelessly devoid of basic higher reasoning skills.  

• C'mon Phelps, commenting under a pseudonym and them "liking" your own provocative comment is just bad form.

• Your threshhold for *brilliance* is quite low. I'd suggest a recalibration.

• Well the same old same old sure isn't "fixing" the system, now, is it? What would you suggest? You all keep repeating "Grow up and get a job" to these folks, but fail to take into account the fact that the "job creators" (who incidentally are enjoying the lowest marginal tax rates in 60 years) are not creating any jobs. Why do you suppose that is? Aren't low tax rates supposedly the magic fairy dust that jobs are created from? Are they perfect? Hardly, many of them are quite young and naive and couldn't articulate exactly what is the matter, but they know that something is askew when wealth disparity in the U.S. is so out of whack. I'm not one that wants to "redistribute" wealth, and all of the conservatives that trot that out to try to tar the entire movement are just lazy, and that is the easiest straw-man to construct and attack without tackling the substantive issues that actually harm our society. People are angry and worried. Don't you want to know the real reasons why? It's like the old "Try to define porn, scenario: I can't describe it, exactly, but I know it when I see it...

• Really? Why? Because *YOU* say so? Who made you Grand PoohBah of Protest Rules? You are under no obligation to be aware of anything, although it would behoove you to be. Also, since when are public sidewalks private property?

• Bars, in theory, are supposed to turn a profit.  That's an insurable interest.  The kind of insurance company that can underwrite even a $500,000 policy is going to look at OD and wonder where the insurable interest is.  (Nevermind the fact that the Occupy groups are, in part, protesting the insurance companies)

• Is it fair to lump everyone who doesn't run down and wave a sign supporting the 'cause' (or causes, since there seems to be multiple grievances) into one "redneck, ignorant, wage slave" grouping?  Seems hypocrisy is ambidextrous, doesn't it?

• Man Teresa are you mixed up. you are so brainwashed that you cant see that you are spouting rubbish. copoiratons pay the salaries of the people who work to pay the taxes that you take as foodstamps/ unemployment/ etc. you really need someone to expain the free maket system to you. and while you are at it have them explain the constitution to you. you really need some help

• I think you just made my point

• Oh, I get it.  The Apples, Starbucks, McDonald's, Coleman, etc are the 'good' corporations and big oil, big banks, and any other corporation that doesn't supply what the ODers crave is a 'bad' corporation.  Got it.  Here's your tinfoil. If you want to reform campaign finance, lobbying rules, economic/foreign/domestic policies, you have simply to take one simple step.  Vote for neither a democrat or a republican in the next election.  Never vote for an incumbent again.  Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.  You cant fix the system by relying on the people who are part of the system.  The tea party sold out to the republicans, they've lost whatever hope they might have had of making a difference.  If the occupiers want to make a difference, they should demand term limits (like 1 term) of their elected representatives.  If their representatives wont get behind term limits, voters always have the choice of enforcing term limits on election day. If you would read all the posts, instead of just one, you'd see I'm very incensed by the shameful way our tax dollars were used by the bailed out companies.

• I think if you look at the cost of most consumer goods, all of them have risen drastically in the last 20 years.  Gas was hovering around $1.00/gal 20 years ago.  Steel, copper, wheat, beef, most of the commodities were cheaper 20 years ago. I couldn't afford college, wouldn't take a minority handout I qualified for, and took one look at West Point and said Hell No.  So I joined the military.  Everything else I've learned along the way, whatever I needed to get by.  Now I have to try to put two kids through college, without grants or loans or 'sucking funds from others'. How exactly am I an ingrate?

• Me, Scott? Least taxed? Coddled? What?

• Anna Merlin was making more of a difference then OD. Dropping banks and moving to a credit union is much more effective means of protest. I did it during the Ronald Reagan financial bailouts of the late 80's and never regretted it. 

• You're NOT a problem because you have a job and savings. (Some of the protesters do as well.) The issue is not your success, but the bid league banking industry. They make money from your money. Then the government gives them more money. Then they charge the masses crazy interest rates for property or education loans... And all the while, the top tier of this banking industry take home billion dollar bonuses each year. Keep your job.  Keep your savings.  But dump Chase (or Bank of America, or whatever its called on your block). Use a smaller, local credit union for your direct deposit.  Use cash instead of credit.

• Blocking a doorway however which is a fire escape route is an offense, so are you prepared for those consequences? what about the elderly woman who was scared and couldn't get out? What if she needed her medication? insulin? you'll have to sleep with it.

• We have real homeless people standing around in downtown, willing to sell a paper or tell you a Poem to EARN a dollar, I have more respect for them. what are you doing? Maybe you could help them develop a "form of communication?"  It's hard to give them a dollar when you're not willing to earn one for yourself. BTW I love the poem guy. he's down on Elm alot maybe he can show you how it works.  

• Brilliant!!! 

• So organized that you missed the fact that the Chase headquarters is a block away, and that you don't even know private property laws enough to keep from getting arrested? What point where you making by keeping people, who have the right to use their bank from doing so. Who are you to take away my rights?  Who are you to "Make" me more aware of anything? Organized protests don't block streets and cause hardship for others and get arrested, unorganized, miss guided people do. 

• If your still working for "the guy" you are missing the whole point of America. 

• It's a free paper....really what do you expect, they only report on what THEY think is important.  Instead of just stirring the pot, why don't I ever read about and possible solutions? Again only what they think is important.  Kinda like Fox news..

• Only problem is not being able to get into my bank. BTW take a shower please.

• This from someone who clearly has no need for a bank account....Im already liberated, Who are you to tell me I cannot use my bank. 

• The bums lost.  Condolences.  The bums will always lose.

• Was just listening to 90.1..looks like all of them were released, except those that had outstanding charges before the arrests..lul..might be a good idea to pay your speeding tickets BEFORE you intend to get arrested.

• the point is these things happen, and we err when we conflate a random incident with the overall message.

• It cost a lot.  As much as a small house.  And about six years ago (12 years after I graduated into a slightly less crappy economy than the one we have now), I paid off my student loans with interest.  It wasn't leeching -- on the contrary, I met my end of the bargain when I wrote that last check.  But you're right about one thing: my debts were never held against me - because I paid them back. And by the way, they weren't dischargeable in bankruptcy even back in the 90s. None of this is new. What I was talking about above (and what you're clearly too addled to understand) are the people who demand that their student loans be magically forgiven.  I'm sure Obama is desperate enough to try to make this happen or somehow blame Republicans for his inability to do so, all while greedily pocketing his Goldman Sachs campaign contributions. Side note:  Why aren't these brats "occupying" the universities that charged them all that money in the first place?  Tuition has been going up much, much faster than the rate of inflation.

• Scott I think you misunderstood me.  I'm absolutely unforgiving of anyone who harms a child in any way.  I'm in no way giving OD a pass on this.  As for the Catholics, I feel that every Catholic who, after learning of the abuse and rape of children by priests, still put even a dollar in the offering plate, was complicit in the continued molestation of children and/or the protection of those who did so.  For the scouts, I've always had very little interest in the organization and honestly can't intelligently speak to any scandals they've had. All I meant to say was OD has an important message, even if I don't always agree with them.  The message will be lost in the scandal.

• That is by far the most asinine thing said so far, either for or against OD.  Because I have a job and a bank account, I'm part of the problem?  If that is your definition of what constitutes the 1%-ers, then your math isn't going to work out. By the way, real effective recruiting tool, use veiled threats of "... or else" to win others over to your cause.  Why not offer up a solution instead?

• "false choice" arguments are a sign of a truly weak mind.  You have contributed exactly nothing to this discussion.  Why don't you sit down and let the adults enjoy the conversation?

• Oh wow what an awesome photo of my 2 favorte protesters, Neck Beard and Meth Face!

• Things will go better for you in the future if you don't engage in any counter-revolutionary thought crimes!

• "Alot of people like to protest about stuff they know nothing about"  Me thinks you doth protest too much.

• A sidewalk is not private property.  You committed to offense of failing to understand untrue premises.

• Some rhetoric from the most coddled, least taxed, most spoiled entitled generation in the history of the world. 

• JDeaver, your intellectually bankrupt.  What did your MBA cost?  Peanuts compared to today.  Tax dollars subsidized your education for nothing in return.  Today, tuition is more than 10 times more expensive and the debt non-dischargable.  You benefitted from more gov't largess than these guys could dream of.  Further, you've subsidized your tax burden off the backs of the poorest workers--fully $2.7 trillion has been borrowed by income tax payers from payroll tax payers.  Now that those loans are due, the income tax payers see a problem.  You're not self sufficient, your a leech on the system, boasting of your self made delusion.  By the way, the 87 recession was nothing compared to today.  Go throw your pathetic pity party with your fellow spoiled brats, I don't think you have the fortitude to debate facts, being so ensconced in your delusions

• Boy RT, where's your concern about the better organized, and thus more complicit Catholic Church or Boy Scouts?

• nor you

• Neal, what did your college education cost?  If you haven't noticed, it's risen 10 fold in the last two decades. Your education came from sucking funds from others, you're just an ingrate. Your debts were never held against you, where as their debts cannot be discharged.

• what about the nepotism generation?  Where learning doesn't matter, but sucking up, suppressing independent thought and going along to get along are the keys to advancement.  I saw such rampant cheating in schools, I saw so many, so uninterested in learning.  And, those who think for themselves, seem to have no role in big corps.

• Mishi, you might look at the pay of your bosses.  Executive pay has risen to such levels as there is little left for the employees. 

• http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2011/10/25/why-americas-highest-paid-ceos-are-insanely-overpaid/ RT, read this and then try to square it with our anachronistic analysis of economics.

• When the lion lays down with the lamb, only the lion gets back up again.

• ESD: Adult in a position of trust & power is found by court to have knowingly engaged in sex with an underage student which parents have placed in his care. Occupy: Runaway teen allegedly presents herself as an adult, occupies a tent or sleeping bag with another person who - it is alleged - unknowingly engaged in sex with a minor. There is the comparison. Meanwhile the Tea Klux Klan are blowing up the social media making it sound as if protesters are dragging young virgins out of parochial schools into their encampment. And with a state law that declares a crime is committed even if the accused did not know the other party is underage -- or was deceived into believing the other party was an adult -- the anti-occupy crowd is sure to call for prosecution followed by public castration, no matter the facts of the case.

• I wasn't there, but from reading news reports I understand the message was to get people to close their bank accounts.  But a person convinced to do that would be blocked from entering the bank to transact their business.  Somehow that doesn't make a lot of sense.  Leaders of the protest should reconsider.   I'm a believer in credit unions, and have been a customer there instead of banks for years.  

• you might want to listen change is coming and you don't want to be part of the problem

• go back today and burn that shit down

• Alot of people like to protest about stuff they know nothing about. No real first hand knowledge about anything, just hearsay and what media puts out and other sources. No real first hand knowledge or actual first hand account from them being that actual person. I can clearly say i will not see a CEO out there. Not likely, just bunch of "think they know its"... pffft

• will they both be lying down on broadway?

• all completely valid till you dragged the rangers into it..

• this ain't the food blog, yo!!!

• she's trying to get ahead in the world...

• public toilet?

• feathered, then?

• sail away w/someone's daughter...

• don't forget the corporate weed...

• chunks..

• their prices are INSANE!!!

• or feelin' guilty 'bout the gangbang...

• welcome to dallas county. enjoy your stay...

• c'mon, bob. just c'mon..

• yeah, you're right, they should just stop teaching altogether. oh wait, that's next year. what then, oh sage??

• not so fast there, goldie. you can approve of your own ass-rape, but you are not authorized to hand out everyone else's.

• I have a dream...that you losers get a clue. Go find a job. Many of us have been through very bad times (1987-88 is one example). I got my MBA but there were no jobs and I was young so I took temp jobs to pay the bills. Eventually, I got the job that I wanted. I didn't go blaming others. It just wasn't the best idea to get an MBA at 24 and expect to manage others. Lesson learned.

• Ever been to a Frat House? A bar?

• Ding, Ding, Ding!  We have a winner!

• are you as offended by the zillions of $ that unions give to politicians to influence them? this admin. has done nothing but kiss the union ass.

• that's funny because in  many cities, the shop owners have said the Occupy folks were demanding all free stuff all the time.

• cops, sanitation, courts etc. all cost $ and we will pay for it. have you read their demands: forgive all loans, open borders etc.; sounds like leeching to me.

• Well for starters, the student loan forgiveness they are all demanding won't simply come out of the ether.  Someone will have to pay for it, and that someone is the taxpayers (i.e. people who have - ahem - occupations sufficient to generate taxable income, and clearly the Occupy Dallas rabble are not among that group or else they would be at work instead of "occupying" their movable protest camp and congratulating themselves for rejecting the bourgeois tedium of "wage slavery in a rigged game"). 

• I posted this just above but am reposting it here because it fits with what you said: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The one demand Occupy Wall Street or the Tea Party or any grassroots movement should have as its primary demand is campaign finance reform. Keep it simple: Only individual contributions and no more than $500 per person. Push that and both sides of the political machine will push back.

• What's wrong with comparing the two?  In your mind they're both just dumb skanks who got what they were asking for.

• The one demand Occupy Wall Street or the Tea Party or any grassroots movement should have as its primary demand is campaign finance reform. Keep it simple: Only individual contributions and no more than $500 per person. Push that and both sides of the political machine will push back.

• Many of us have jobs that pay more than minimum wage. We're paid to think.

• Please tell us the name of your business so we can support it.

• Typing insults on a computer doesn't make you better or smarter than someone who works to support their family.

• Anyone who pays for a college education and then chooses not to pursue a career because they "know better than to commit themselves to wage slavery in a rigged game" is an idiot. People who look down on others because of their profession are assholes.

• From the press release cited in the article "Representatives with Chase Bank asked the demonstrators to leave the property in the presence of Dallas Police Officers. The demonstrators were told they would not be arrested if they complied with the criminal trespass warning and vacated the property; however, numerous demonstrators refused to leave. " So….apparently they were asked to leave private property and they refused….therefore committing the offense of Criminal Trespass. Just as you have committed the offense of Lack of Reading Comprehension".

• Comparing the two situations is completely ignorant.

• I read this somewhere, so it is not mine, but I do agree with it, and I am paraphrasing. This new generation is the "everybody gets a trophy" generation, raised by parents that were more concerned with self-esteem then hard work. These are the same parents that complain when their child gets a "D", blames the teacher, the school district, etc. and meanwhile is oblivious to the fact that their kid didn't put in the work. Now these kids are grown up, college degree in hand(internet assisted) and demanding their high paying job, house, vacation, etc. and they've never put in the real work. This is the "entitled" generation. Okay, don't attack me, this is a broad stroke, a generalization that I unfortunately see too often in the job applicants that I interview. Everybody gets a trophy, everybody gets a job, everybody gets a fat paycheck-and if not, lets go down and protest. ....it's not indicative of all of the Occupy Protestors, but it definitely applies to some.

• Criminal trespass is about staying after being asked to leave, not about blocking an entrance.

• I agree with your last paragraph, and I have a whole laundry list of things I could say about that subject...and I do agree that a college education does not equate to intelligence, but tell that to the major corps who require such a degree, and will hire a potential "degreed moron" over someone more qualified yet under "degreed."  I myself did my due diligence when pursuing my degree, while working full-time to pay for said degree, and went into the highly demanded field of nursing.  A field in which people said, "there will ALWAYS be a need for RNs and MDs."  And yet now I watch as many of my fellow co-workers have been "cut-back", aka fired, even though we are vastly understaffed to begin with.  Why?  Because our government has twisted our healthcare systems 8 ways from Sunday, that we can no longer provide intelligent, responsible medical professionals with jobs that are so despeately needed by our patients...you, my father, Americans. They didn't get into an "obscure" field, yet they are suffering due to the irresponsibility of our government. I don't think its right or fair to lump everyone into one "hippie, tree hugging, slcaker" grouping just because they stand for and believe in the Occupy movement. On a side note, did it really require 4-5 police officers to be on top of that young man who appeared practically lifeless on the ground?  What about them dragging that other boy across the street?  He didn't seem to be fighting them...so why the boderline cruel treatment?    

• We are evolving. Every day that passes more of us wake up from the predatory phase of consciousness like it were a foggy dream. The lion is going to lay with the lamb folks. Whether you like it or not..

• Oh, give me a break. While watching the coverage on Channel 11, I think it was, that girl who is seen hugging her boyfriend, was crying, saying they (the DPD) were treating them like dogs. Oh, cry me a river. They were not. Did I see pepper spray? Were they dragging them off by their hair? Were they using batons, firehoses, attack dogs or shields? NO. The poor little protesters wanted a stand-off over the park, and they did not get one. So they had to go find a way to get busted. Fine, great. But don't ever again claim non-violent, civil disobedience. Resisting arrest is not the same as not complying. Going limp, requiring them to drag or carry you, fine. Got it. But when you RESIST ARREST in DALLAS? You will get a boot to the back of your neck pretty much every time. THAT is not how MLK did it. That is not how Ganhi did it. Brush up on your history lessons or give up. And someone said they were not blocking the doors to Chase? Funny, they showed on Ch 11 a guy who was trying to get in, past a group of them, sitting on the ground, locked arm in arm. That is blocking, folks. That is impeding business on private property. If you want to go to jail, if you think it will make a great war story for the chicks at Starbuck's, good. Otherwise, you are still not making a difference. And the Rangers are on.

• Oh and they serve much better food at OD than at the jail!

• It's not all corporations. It's the corporations that are paying lobbyist to solicit people and bride politicians to vote on bills that benefit their corporations. Our elected are nothing but puppets manipulated by the corporations! Banks that get bailed out and then give their CEO's and upper management big bonuses from the bail out! Not knowing what corporations are contributing to political campaigns is harmful to our government and THE PEOPLE including YOU! These contributions need to be public knowledge. Do a little research on MONSANTO and you may see it differently. That is if you're not the 1%.

• Thats me and my buddy standing in the photo with the SIGN'S.... I have a dream, do you????

• I assure you that Occupy Dallas Protestors are not hungry! They are well organized and have many supporters. They aren't doing this for a free meal but to help raise awareness of the corporate greed that has been ruining peoples livelihoods and ruining any future for our children to have a decent life.

• I guess I should be thankful.

• Thank god they closed those tunnels! The "an elderly security guard on a Rascal" never would have been able to chase them down there.

• That's the idea, you're using a bank, you're part of the problem, you need to suffer.  Only then will you  change your ways. Your liberation is at hand!

• OMG!!!!   -that's the worst camera work I've ever seen

• OMG!!! - that's the worst camera work i've ever seen

• What a fucking joke. So Van Jones, on 9/21, makes a mass call for the Flea Baggers to get ready for Occupy October. All these folks are auditioning for positions in Team Obama's army cuz this is the only way the scumbag can keep power. Little girl shows for the casting call and probably performs well. No big deal to these enlightened folks, just hope she got the HPV vaccine before she got in the pile. 

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