City Grants Occupy Dallas a Special Permit

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We began the day by discussing Occupy Dallas's missive to the mayor concerning their encampment at Pioneer Plaza, between Dallas City Hall and the Dallas Convention Center. We end it -- not counting our Rangers liveblog, which is now into extra innings -- with this: Following a sitdown with the group, the city has OK'd a special permit for the group through October 14. The permit, which was just dispatched, follows, but first this from Frank Librio, City Hall spokesman:
The Occupy Dallas group has obtained a special permit for the Pioneer Plaza area near the Convention Center. The City is balancing this group's first amendment rights with a focus on protecting the protestors and the public -- like many other cities across the country experiencing similar protests.

The Dallas Police Department has only utilized on-duty resources to address the Occupy Dallas demonstrators. This is consistent with other demonstrations that have occurred in the city in the past and a function of the police department that is part of the current operating budget. The Police Department has provided a uniformed presence during the demonstrator's marches to ensure there is minimal disruption in traffic flow, no disturbances or violation of law and that counter protests do not develop that could lead to disorder.
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Diane Birdwell
Diane Birdwell

Just a thoguht here, DPD. Friday is DISD high school day at the Fair. This is a BUSY DAY for you all, so do we have the manpower to take care of both places, their potential problems and the city as a whole?

Move them on Saturday, around noon. Let them have plenty of notice, but fewer spectators.

I am all for 1st Amendment, but a sit-in is soooo 1960's. This is DALLAS, people, not New York. You have no place where we all go, and Pioneer Plaza is in a pretty dull spot anyway. You may have great intentions, but beating bongo drums while sleeping in really cool tents is not the statement that oozes concern for the average Joe.

cp
cp

Wow. Looks like it's melting down. I'm so surprised. I suppose next they'll start a "police are unconstitutional" and "city councils are unconstitutional" campaign.

primi timpano
primi timpano

I hope the protestors have legal counsel ready.   Parks have a long association with our freedom to peacefully assemble and courts will not tolerate excessive conditions, like a $1,000 insurance policy, to obtain a permit.

Wise One
Wise One

Time for the middle class to standup,and fight back.

just_plano
just_plano

Can anyone please tell me what the occupy movement really wants. I have heard somemany conflicting reports that I'm left a little puzzled.....Thanks

primi timpano
primi timpano

I kind of wondering about those insurance certificates; everybody and their mother wants them.  I once needed one for $1,000,000 to paint my very inexpensive condo.  As annoying as a HOA may be, I signed up for it.  I am pretty sure there isn't an insurance exception to the lawful assembly guarantees of the constitution.

Benjamin Germany
Benjamin Germany

In response to claytonauger: Working.  Paying taxes.  Contributing a significant amount to a conservative 401(k).  Not buying a new car when mine is 7 years old, but runs just fine.  Living in a small one bedroom apartment I can afford.  Contributing to a savings account.  Making necessary, material purchases (food, clothing, gas, etc).  Not using a credit card.  Paying down my modest debt bit by bit.  Volunteering.  Consulting a carefully constructed budget before making purchases.  Typing this on my lunch break to avoid the inevitable "well then why are you typing in the comments section of a blog if you are working" comments.  Not buying a new iAnything for the past 5 years.  What are YOU doing?

J. Erik Jonsson
J. Erik Jonsson

"This revolution will not be privatized"

It's like the Onion wrote this protest sign.  It's stupid on so many levels that it seems intentional.

claytonauger
claytonauger

Perhaps it would be a good idea to actually know something about this encampment and its residents before commenting. Spend some time down there after work or at lunch. Talk to the people that are there. They're good folk who are trying hard to make a point about how screwed up things are. What are you doing in the face of losing the American Middle Class? That's what I thought.

Rachel Burks
Rachel Burks

It's fitting that the city is requiring the group to purchase insurance in order to exercise their 1st amendment right. Have a complaint about corporatocracy? Pay the man to express it!

Albert
Albert

This link is what it's all about, people. If you have the strength to read horror stories, I urge you to do so, it might open up people's eyes to real human suffering and the degradations of the capitalist system, which feeds on economic and social inequity.

http://www.michellesmirror.com...

Max from the Sandspit
Max from the Sandspit

God Damn I love it. So this is Team Obama's tactic, shit, this is cool. So much much fr ditchin' yo house slippers and gettin yo marchin' boots out. Let the flip-flop urchins y'all birthed do yo biddin' for ya. This'll work till they start takin' a dump at the Zodiac Room and thier enablers get the tab.

Michael Briggs
Michael Briggs

Apparently the city will be removing everyone from the park tomorrow at 5pm, most likely by mass arrest. We'll see what happens...

Rolf Ernst
Rolf Ernst

Edited - Jumped the gun. Apparently things are not as grim as it looked initially. @pogue - Did not mean to insinuate any party affiliation. #OccupyDallas is, of course, independent.

Albert
Albert

So we have unionized Government employees granting favor to those who will march to get government employees a better deal. Sweet.

Michael Briggs
Michael Briggs

This sounds like a trick. First of all they are requesting a $1,000,000 insurance policy which the Citizens will not be able to (and should not be required to) get. Second, this is only giving them a permit to be there until the 14th. They will try to use this to attempt to kick them out or arrest them on the 14th at 5pm. This is not a good thing.

chad armstrong
chad armstrong

They're protesting corruption, crony-capitalism, and kleptocracy. Pretty much the same thing the tea party stood for before it was co-opted by the fringe right. I hope they take what happened to the tea party as a warning, the "occupiers" need to be wary of big money/influence coming from the Left.

IMO if they can survive the Winter (it's gets really really cold outside in the NE) then the movement should really blossom in the Spring, no pun intended.

Albert
Albert

Don't you mean "a few people in Dallas"?

OakieDoakie
OakieDoakie

A direct reference to the attempted takeover of Social Security. I don't see how that's stupid. It was a wildly unpopular idea and even Bush's conservative base wouldn't roll over for it.

Marvin D. Love
Marvin D. Love

Even if it is true.  

By the way, J. Erik, I thought you died five or six years ago at the tender age of 94.  We named a library after you right directly across the street from Occupy Dallas.  I guess this is proof that the dead have risen and are voting Republican.

cp
cp

What does going down there and visiting with people have to do with getting proper permits to have a special event?

Phelps
Phelps

Any chance any of the people at "this encampment" ever tried to spend some time at a Tea Party rally?

Phelps
Phelps

It's really funny since the government that they are wanting to... uh... do.... something, yeah, something to the corporations is the same one already telling them that they have to buy health insurance.

Titus Groan
Titus Groan

This is about having insurance against potential injury of a participant/bystander & resulting lawsuit.  This is not about limiting free speech, merely insuring financial responsibility in case of injury.  A very reasonable request on behalf of the City IMO.

Lolotehe
Lolotehe

Dang. There's time I'll never get back.

Derrick White
Derrick White

You are of course, correct.  This has all of the earmarks of an extremely efficient, well oiled conspiracy...  Yawn.

Scott Martin
Scott Martin

 Why tomorrow?  I thought the permit said the 14th, which is Friday.

Albert
Albert

The Communist Party of the USA has endorsed the other occupying movements. With a little prodding, they might endorse the Rise of the Worker in Dallas.

pogue972
pogue972

#OccupyDallas is not affiliated with any political group - Democrat, Republican - right or left.  But your point is well taken.

Anonymous
Anonymous

this isn't California. "unionized" in Texas means very little in the public sector.

Guestyguest
Guestyguest

You don't know how policies work. A $1M policy is not going to cost you a million dollars, genius. It'll cost you maybe 500 tops.

progressivist
progressivist

My general liability policy for $300,000 and some other riders together costs $30 for an entire year. I'm sure some insurance agent will step forward and the volunteers can scrape together about a hundred bucks.

Meg Hargis
Meg Hargis

The city claimed they'd waive the fee for the permit fir us. We'll see how that goes.

CR
CR

I wonder about that too. 

J. Erik Jonsson
J. Erik Jonsson

Because Occupy Dallas is like Social Security?

That analogy doesn't work.

J. Erik Jonsson
J. Erik Jonsson

In life, I was pretty conservative.  Since passing on and becoming the preeminent Observer commenter (maybe in a horse race with fake Wick), I would never criticize the right of citizens to protest shabby treatment by banks, big business, or their lackeys in government.  I would, however, make fun of their signs.

Coleman
Coleman

Why on earth would they want to go to a Fox News-sponsored rally?

Montemalone
Montemalone

Always read links while sitting on the pot, 2 birds, dontcha know.

Michael Briggs
Michael Briggs

That's what they were talking about due to them most likely not having the insurance bond. But that's just a rumor I think at this point. We'll see.

Albert
Albert

TSEU means something, I think.

Anyway, let's hope these people don't cost Dallas taxpayers as much as the SEIU/Soros/Moore demos in NYC (up to almost 2 million), or the Permanent People's Occupation of Madison, WI, which is at about 8 million taxpayer dollars.

Free speech can be damn costly.

Observer
Observer

Insurance for a special event is not the same as general liability coverage and riders. The average one day special event policy costs $1300 if you are not selling alcohol.

This policy might cost more since there are issues regarding sanitation, crowd control, security, etc. Are they being required to bring in toilets?? Will they need off-duty DPD officers? What about an on-site ambulance for the duration of the event?

Even if they move to private property, the requirements are still the same, and then maybe worse if the property owner has insurance issues.

I predict one big fucking mess with lots of screaming on Friday afternoon.

Michael Briggs
Michael Briggs

It's the principle. There is no leader. There is no official organization. These are citizens exercising their constitutional right to protest the government for a redress of grievances. They should not have to pay for an insurance policy. It is the public occupying public land.

Michael Briggs
Michael Briggs

Is there some sort of documentation of that? Is it online anywhere?

Meg Hargis
Meg Hargis

For. Not fir. Thanks for making me look illiterate, autocorrect.

J. Erik Jonsson
J. Erik Jonsson

Define "most."  All of that seems an awful stretch to defend someone's poor idea for a sign.

OakieDoakie
OakieDoakie

Not really into online arguments and certainly don't have the time. If you find the sign stupid, fine. Most would see it as a sarcastic reference to corporations' attempts to take rights away from private citizens -- including the SS privatization attempt, and their blatant attempts to sway elections thanks to Citizens United. And the latter is definitely a part of what Occupy Dallas is about.

pogue972
pogue972

Do you have any links to show how much the average cost of a Special Permit from the City of Dallas costs in the past? Or how much they have ever required any group (political or non) for insurance waivers?

cp
cp

It's on public property. Many, many worthwhile organizations in the City of Dallas and other cities all across the country are required to get an insurance whenever they hold an event. This has nothing to do with civil rights. The protest is over. This is now considered a special event.

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