City Council Tells Greenville Ave.'s Service Bar, Yucatan They Can't Stay Open Past Midnight

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Yucatan owner Pete Mylonas getting a ticket for overcrowding Friday night
On this jam-packed city council Wednesday, we now come to the late-night specific use permits that Lowest Greenville Avenue bars Yucatan and Service Bar are asking for -- the ones the City Plan Commission denied, based upon the planned development district ordinance passed by the city council in January. As you're no doubt well aware by now, Yucatan and Service Bar filed suit against the city last week, right before the ordinance took effect at midnight Friday forcing establishments without SUPs and certificates of occupancy to close at midnight. A hearing is scheduled next week; the judge wanted to see how the council voted.

Yucatan was first up, with its rep, Audra Buckley, acknowledging, yes, there has been an issue with double-digit public intoxication arrests. But, she insisted, owner Pete Mylonas is doing all he can to clean up the joint by installing surveillance cameras and hiring extra security to work the door midnight to 2 a.m. Fridays and Saturdays.

That's not good enough, said Philip Kingston of the Lower Greenville Neighborhood Association: "The issue here is crime," he told the council, and based upon the conditions of the ordinance, which takes into account Dallas PD and Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission citations, "That's where this applicant is simply unacceptable for a SUP. ... And urinating in public is something the neighborhood associations, as you might imagine, oppose."

Pauline Medrano, who helped co-author the ordinance with Angela Hunt, absolutely agreed: "Ms. Hunt and I have worked really, really hard to improve Lower Greenville," she told her colleagues. "We talked about the budget a little while ago. The resources needed within that span of Greenville is enormous because of locations like this." She motioned for the council to vote with the CPC; Hunt seconded that emotion.

"In the last two years there have been 24 public intoxication arrests" at Yucatan, she said. "I want you to imagine that in one of your neighborhoods. I want you to compare that ... to Zubar, for example, which the council approved. They have four in the last couple of years, and they're working to bring that down. The Libertine, they had two alcohol-related incidents compared to 24. I appreciate this applicant wants to do a better job, but I am still troubled."

And with that, Yucatan was denied its SUP. Now, to Service Bar.

It was more or less a brief replay of the Yucatan discussion. Only this time, attorney Craig Shiels, repping Service Bar, noted that it's been there 20 years and under the same owners for the past nine. And, he said, there's no proof that all of the DPD arrests made at Service Bar "are directly tied to the establishment" -- including, he pointed out, an aggravated assault that took place outside the bar, which occurred when a patron was denied entrance because he didn't adhere to the dress code.

Said Kingston, all that proved was that the place has "anti-social police records." He also reiterated what supporters of the PD have said all along: "Lower Greenville is not an entertainment district," he said, and certainly "not a place where we should forgive someone for a fight at their front door."

Medrano said she "constantly get[s] complaints from the neighborhood" about noise from Service Bar, "and if we're going to decrease crime, we need to make sure these type of establishments are not in business." Hunt, of course, concurred: "This is about crime," she said. Nothing more.

"I hope you'll support us in trying to clean up Lower Greenville," she told the council, which again voted to support CPC's denial.

To the courthouse we go.
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44 comments
Justin Julian
Justin Julian

Once again, Dallas overreacts to a problem that's easy to resolve.  Bars overserving patrons leading to problems with drunks?  Work with TABC to crack down on THAT behavior.  The behavior causing the problem.  Instead, let's just abuse jerry-rigged ordinances to harass people out of business, intentionally engage in construction that disrupts traffic and access to the point that it kills business, and all the other shenanigans going on here.  

You can't rewrite history.  Hollywood wasn't zoned into existence.  The Vegas Strip wasn't zoned into existence.  Deep Ellum wasn't zoned into existence.  Entertainment districts aren't zoned, they're grown.  Problems come with all of them, but cities need them.  Cities with responsible governments who get out of the way and let businesses do their thing and raise tax revenues to pay for things.  Instead, we get 'visionaries' like Hunt and Medrano who care far more about making the city into what they want than allowing the city to be what it can be.

BCulbreath
BCulbreath

Why would 7-11 need an SUP  they do not sell open beverages this is no about crime,I've been going to Greenville Ave all my life ,eat dinner,clothes altered and etc.I used to catch Dallas Transit bus when end of line was off Greenville its always had some entertainment often we caught live jazz.City could have simply put portable roll fence  to keep entry fr neighborhood on Friday -Sunday and Special events owner could have covered cost.Dallas staff no new IDEAS.All they know is Close,Close and lose TAX revenue.

abuckley1970
abuckley1970

a minimum of $400k+ annually between the hours of 12 and 2 is not chump change.  I see both sides - I just wish there had been a different solution or compromise made between residential and non-residential property owners.  I don't know the solution but now it is what it is.

Stuck in Odessa/Midland
Stuck in Odessa/Midland

I miss Dallas, I missed out on going to the cool and exciting hangouts. I'm afraid it will all disappear by the time I move back.  Man....If this keeps up, i may consider moving to *shudder* Austin...

Travis Rex
Travis Rex

"Ms. Hunt and I have worked really, really hard to improve Lower Greenville,"

ROFL

24 yr old Male.
24 yr old Male.

Close, dump the owners, & reopen that whole part of Lower Greenville (Service Bar, Yacatan, Sofrano's, 180). Every hoodrat in Dallas flocks there, with 4:1 male to female ratios.

Turn it into something new. Electronic dance music has really blown up & is here to stay. Rock bands can play like they do in Austin's 6th Street. REAL hip-hop w/ a message can flourish.

Dump the thug culture out of there because I'm sick of this bullshit. I went a couple wks ago for the first time in yrs. Had one drink at Zubar, one of the only decent bars left, and GTFO of there.

DrinkDrankDrunk
DrinkDrankDrunk

People will just take their business elsewhere and kill off the tax base for that area.

If one establishment has more PI arrests than another, maybe the establishment is being unfairly targeted? Any number of people in any bar are legally drunk at one point or another. Do they all get arrested? No. What were these people arrested for PI actually doing? Peeing outside?

Why do no other areas of town seem to have these same issues? People live in the Gayborhood and have drunk people stumbling by all the time. Yet nobody is arrested or shut down for it.

MattL1
MattL1

"Lower Greenville is not an entertainment district."  YES IT IS!!!  It's a district where people go for fun.  

Also, Service Bar is responsible for a crime that results from their NOT letting someone in?  If anything, they showed good judgment.  

Guest
Guest

The city needs to stop spending any money in that area.  The residents are killing the tax base, there is no reason to make any more investments.  In five years the only businesses left will be pawn shops and gas stations, with a line of vacant buildings attracting homeless people and drug dealers.  Pull out the road crews today and move them someplace they can do some good.  The neighborhood association can have the mini Detroit they deserve.   

Downtown Resident
Downtown Resident

Downtown and Deep Ellum are where everything is happening now. 

jfpo
jfpo

"Ms. Hunt and I have worked really, really hard to (improve) GENTRIFY Lower greenville," Fixed that for her.

Travis Rex
Travis Rex

 Music is noisy...HOA no likey music..or fun..or colored people.

John_McKee
John_McKee

Seriously? They crack down on the businesses in the gayborhood all the time to the point where it almost seems like discrimination. I have never seen a paddy wagon parked more often at a bar and them arresting drunk patrons as they walk out the door en mass.

Rangers100
Rangers100

It's all about the pretty, precious yards.  No one actually uses these yards for anything, mind you, but you must not set foot in them, touch them, or even look at them.  Lower Greenville yards are holy ground.  Respect them.

No ED Here
No ED Here

The false idea of an 'Entertainment District' is designed to make you think of places like the West End, The French Quarter, and other tourist attractions, which have special regulations and modifications to the local law that allow misbehavior.

There are NO legally defined 'entertainment districts' in Dallas. Lowest Greenville was zoned - and still is - Community Retail. Local businesses serving local residents.

It became an entertainment area when the landlords starting giving away the rent, and getting a piece of the sales, as it attracted thousands of people from outside the city.

That shit ended years ago when people who live there got tired of the pissing, the parking issues and being told to leave.

This new zoning does not change things overnight, and may not at all if the rents don't come down for daytime retail operators to come in.

But it's a start.

Downtown Resident
Downtown Resident

Don't be getting all logical here, this is city government we're talking about here. 

I wonder if two drunks wandered over to Kingston's house and got into a fight in front of the door if a case could be made for running him out of the neighborhood, after all according to Kingston LG is "not a place where we should forgive someone for a fight at their front door" (the idiocy of that statement given the context is mind boggling)

Paul
Paul

If you say that the residents are killling the tax base, how do you explain the $600k teardown McMansions in the surrounding area?

We used to have the community retail of shops and the sort.  They were driven out by the landlords who realized that they could make $100/ft^2/month by having places that do nothing but pour alcohol and had to put zero into the property to accomodate a new tenant.

The City is just as much at fault for not enforcing the zoning regulations.

I found the City to be even more hypocritical when they would cite me for vegetation growing into the shutdown alley, but would not do thing one about the bars.

Guest
Guest

Nothing is happening in downtown. 

Paul
Paul

Me likey musik ... just not from 3+ blocks away at 1 AM inside

ThatGuy
ThatGuy

Yes, like you would give respect to other people's property anywhere else in the world.  Don't piss on it.  Don't drive on it. Don't barf in it.  Do all that at your own home, not someone else's.  If you don't believe me, ask your Mother. 

John_McKee
John_McKee

This needs to be underscored, just because you want something to be or call it an 'Entertainment District' it doesn't make it so.As someone who lives on McKinney Ave I get told this all the time by businesses breaking the law, that it is an 'Entertainment District' and as such I have no right to complain and have the law enforced.

You can say it until you are blue in the face but the bottom line is there is no such thing as an entertainment district in Uptown or Lower Greenville, just businesses breaking the law that think they should be allowed to.

Guest
Guest

Since when does the West End "have special regulations and modifications to the local law that allow misbehavior"?  Or any other place in Dallas for that matter?

And the community needs to accept that there will never be daytime retail operators moving to the area.  They won't.  Just ask them.     

MattL1
MattL1

I know there's no legally defined entertainment district, but they exist anyway.  I don't understand the "daytime retail" thing.  You want a Target?  Wal Mart?  Ikea?  You want property values to drop?  Strange...

Also, when you gotta go, you gotta go.  Better your lawn than my pants! (That's a joke.)

Downtown Resident
Downtown Resident

Hate to break it to you but the $600K tear downs were the result of affluent young(ish) people that wanted to live within walking distance of an area that had a vibrant night life (*cough* entertainment district *cough*).

Guest
Guest

"We used to have the community retail of shops and the sort."  -- It's time to face reality, retails shops have been closing everywhere for 20 years.  The landlords have nothing to do with it, economic reality is making it happen.  Who buys CDs at the store any longer?  Who buys books?  Who shops at little local clothing stores?  You are asking for a bygone day to return, and it isn't happening. 

Downtown Resident
Downtown Resident

You must either work downtown and decamp for the burbs promptly at 5 every week day or you haven't been in quite a while. Take a visit some Friday night, I'll buy you a beer.

Stuck in Odessa/Midland
Stuck in Odessa/Midland

Or maybeeeeeeee, that's their plan! Make, all the businesses flock closer to the city-center (wishful thinking)

Paul
Paul

OK, if you like these businesses so much get them to relocate to your neighborhood.

We already have a nursing home at the NW corner of Belmont and Greenville.

24 yr old Male.
24 yr old Male.

How about we bulldoze all of Lower Greenville & turn it into a block of nursing homes?

Why do you ppl even live around there in the first place?

Keep Lower Greenville alive, just needs a new coat of paint.

jfpo
jfpo

You shouldn't HAVE to, you would probably just be happier there. I think they're just trying to help.

John_McKee
John_McKee

I should move to Frisco because a bar won't stop breaking noise ordinances or majorly over-serving it's patrons in violation of TABC regulations?

No ED Here
No ED Here

As long as Andres and Madison keep asking for $15K a month in rent, sure thing there will be no daytime retail.

And for the record, Madison's Hertzel stated in another Observer blog - The daytime retail won't come until we have night time business.

Translation - We are so gonna try to pack a bar in every little space, even if it's less than 5,000 sf, before we even try to rent to a daytime operator.

Too bad those NEW businesses won't get their SUP just because. No history No SUP!

MattL1
MattL1

Better than admitting that I don't know or may be wrong, both of which I am incapable of doing.

George
George

Not me.  I moved into my $450,000 house in Lower Greenville last year at the ripe old age of 25.  Me and the Mrs. are definitely not in senior management, or are doctors, lawyers, or engineers either.  We're just working stiffs who love the area.

Mike
Mike

Do you honestly think people are building 600K homes to be near locations that attract hordes of drunken twentyish males that can't get dates?  No area wants these guys. 

Paul
Paul

Ummm no ... most of the people who were moving into the $600k teardowns were established families with the parents being in the 40's to 50's.

They are generally white collar professionals in the lower to middle rungs of senior management, doctors, lawyers and engineers.  We also have a number of independent businessmen.

Most of them go over to either Lakewood or Skillman-Live Oak for adult socializing without fear of being assaulted.

Paul
Paul

Go over to Henderson and look at the businesses in the three blocks east of Central or around MacMillan.

Independently owned shops and restaurants and not a scumbar among them.

I am getting just a little annoyed with the people who think that this neighborhood deserves a suspension of the City's zoning regulations.

As I said, it is the landlords who have done this in conjunction with the City looking the other way.

As far as the people who think that this is an acceptable use for this area of Community Retail and MO-2, Please talk to these 'restaurants" and have them move to your neighborhood.

Think of all the gas that you will save by not having to come down here from North Plano.

There is no such thing as an "Entertainment District" under the City's P&Z regulations.

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