Activists Call Texas's Voter ID Law Discriminatory, Plead For Feds' Help

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"I knew I should have signed that bill with my red-white-and-blue Sharpie."
Hey, maybe this will help Rick Perry shore up support with the Tea Party's Ship-Em-Out Division and his new Arizona boyfriend: Those kooky activists at the ACLU and some of their libtard friends are pleading with the Devil HimselfUnited States Department of Justice to intervene on behalf of Texas's minority communities, which activists claim will be discriminated against under the state's new Voter ID law.

The law, one of several passed across the country in recent years, requires voters to show government ID at the polls, even if they have registration cards and are listed among the voting rolls. The laws are purportedly designed to limit voter fraud and keep illegal immigrants from stealing our nation's elections. But voter fraud -- unregistered voters successfully filing fraudulent ballots -- has been demonstrated to be a problem that's vastly overstated. And illegal immigrants, believe it or not, are actually not that big on showing up at buildings full of official paperwork.

As a result, Voter ID bills are more likely to disenfranchise poor voters, minority voters, old voters and all sorts of voters who have a relatively shitty go of it already. Thus, the Coalition of Obvious Socialists' lengthy letter, which is on display below, and which claims that the state failed to prove that the law wasn't discriminatory. (A tip of the 49ers beret to the People's Liberalation Army, aka Politico.)

The group is asking the A.G. to file an objection, which probably won't happen, but would be pretty funny. Think about it: Texas passes through its legislature a law protecting its citizens from having its elections stolen by illegal immigrants. The governor signs that legislation. As the governor surges to the top of the GOP presidential field, the ACLU asks evil feds to intervene. Evil feds send Texas a letter questioning its new law.

You think that would come up at next week's Fox News debate?

ACLU Letter to DOJ

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jeepndd
jeepndd

I am offended by their implication that I'm too stupid to get a photo ID because I'm only part white!  If you can figure out how to get to a poll you can figure out how to get to a license center.

The Genius
The Genius

i've never heard a sound argument for not needing id to vote- how could poor people be disenfranchised by having to prove who they are to do one of the best things they could ever do for free? they show id to buy beer/cigs/cash checks/use credit cards, etc don't they? this has obviously rankled the the ones who round up homeless people or bus union members to the polls to vote "often" and usually for democrats.

jackie616
jackie616

Has anyone actually looked at the paperwork that is involved online in Texas? It is so contradictory. It tells you that you can fax it in; and then when you go to the county seats it says you cannot. The "you cannot send this in prior to 60 days" (means they will throw out your request if they received it before then) before an election - for your request for an "official Texas ID"! So how many people really believe that they will have the right to vote (and if you are going to be out-of-state you have to mail in your "application" FROM the address that you want it sent to (hoping college students won't do it perhaps)? I would be interested to know what % of the population rents in Texas. Renters must get an "updated" voter ID each time they change their residence and will have to go through this entire fiasco with the time constraints each time they move. There is no question about the fact that the ALEC / GOP are showing intent to make it an effort of jumping through hoops for the young, poor and older citizens. I do not care what side of the aisle one sits on; this is the end of democracy if this is not stopped. It is just plain WRONG!

whodat
whodat

What the heck are you talking about?

WHITE GUILT LIBTARDS
WHITE GUILT LIBTARDS

It is obvious that the only reason that you white-guilt libtards are behind this is because you know that the only way Odumbo is going to be re-elected is with the votes of illegal aliens from Mexico.

You aren't fooling anyone.

Quit being such disingenuous white-guilt libtards.

Ryan Sanders
Ryan Sanders

The white self victimization is strong with this one

EliotLoney
EliotLoney

It can`t be discrimination if everyone has to do it idiots.

Observist
Observist

I'm confused; showing ID to vote is good, but showing ID to buy a gun is bad?

Raydaberko
Raydaberko

So we are supposed to believe that these "disenfranchised poor people" don't have the necessary identification to cash a check or apply for welfare or food stamps or anything else that requires identification? Just simple and normal day to day business that all people do. Almost all businesses ask for state issued photo ID for any purchase over a certain par amount with a credit card as happened to me at Bass Pro the other day.

So my point is all these supposedly "disenranchised" already have ID and use it regularly. That being the case then the only plausible reason not to want to show identification you already have to do normal business anyone has to do with identification is commit some kind of fraud or some criminal reason (warrants or deportation orders) you don't want to be identified. Really, they don't mind showing ID for cigarettes or booze... but it's a horrendous violation of rights to be identified to vote.

Bless their hearts and all you southerners know what that means.

Mike Dimone
Mike Dimone

This has nothing to do with the individual "Poor, Elderly, Minorities"  Those groups are very capable of producing id's, should they feel compelled to do so.  I would be willing to bet that of the actual registered voters who show up, in these groups 99% of them have valid picture id.  I think this puts a speed bump to the vote harvesters and scammers that knock on doors and fill out absentee ballots.

rSF
rSF

Uh did you miss the Medranos and voter fraud story?

Chris Danger
Chris Danger

I look at it this way: Voter ID is what I like to call agenda legislation, which is to say the primary reason its drafted is to make people of a certain party feel as if their in control. While I have no issue w/ confirming people are whom they say they are, I have an issue w/ putting citizens at an disadvantage at their given American right to vote. Its all about controlling the right to vote for citizens, which the last time I checked was a violation of the constitution and bill of rights..

Medrano on My Mind
Medrano on My Mind

I think it's interesting that all of these people who sat SILENTLY by while John Wiley Price hijacked elections in Dallas County, while the Medrano family has all but openly stolen elections for years, and while Dallas County Commissioners illegally switched redistricting maps, are suddenly worried about voters being disenfranchised. 

Facebook User
Facebook User

This is such a tired issue. It is inconceivable that anyone could function into today's society without proof of ID. You can't rent a DVD, hotel room or car without ID. You can't cash a pay check, wellfare check or social security check without ID. I can't even use my credit card without getting asked for ID.

In counties all around the country voter fraud is rampant. Here in Dallas county more than six people have been indicted for voter fraud. But at the end of the day there is a simple solution to make it MUCH harder in the future - requiring ID to vote.

It is important to be able to trust the outcome of elections. There is a perception (true or untrue) that certain Democratic institutions (like the now defunct Acorn) engage in the simplest voter fraud - lying about who you are. These cases of voter fraud may be overstated or blown out of proportion, but the downside is nonexistent. If you want to vote, get an ID card. Simple as that.

Eat Shit Joe Tone
Eat Shit Joe Tone

Joe Tone = stereotypical jew libtard propagandist

Observist
Observist

Keep going - your true colors are starting to show...

Eat Shit Joe Tone
Eat Shit Joe Tone

Nobody but the most pathetic white-guilt libtards are buying your horse shit "advocacy", Joe Tone, you stereotypical "progressive" media jew propagandist

Watching South Detroit
Watching South Detroit

Hey liberals and "activists" - look in the mirror and check how many Medranos have been indicted FOR VOTER FRAUD.  If you never check or look for it, you will never find it.  Liberals want that no one ever checks. 

Anonymous
Anonymous

Wait, if they've been indicted under existing laws, why do we need new ones?

Rt76209
Rt76209

OK, help me with this one....I have to show a state issued ID to open a bank account, buy pseudoephedrine, get into house of blues for late night concerts and take a test drive or view an apartment I'm considering renting, but its unreasonable to have to show a state issued ID to vote?? 

Would some prefer that we do what they do in some countries-conspicuously mark your hand with a semi-permanant ink?  Vote and walk around with a red (or some other color) hand for 2 weeks or just whip out a DL or ID card-I'd prefer the less colorful alternative.

Guest
Guest

Well, gee, we did manage to have a republic that works perfectly well without asking people for identification, and when we actively went looking for in-person voter fraud across the country, we found fewer than 50 cases out of millions of votes cast.

And then, too, when we find rich white people who fraudulently vote in elections, we give them a pass about it and, as far as I know, we still counted their votes (there's been no word as to whether Jon Hunstman's votes made after he was governor but while he was still claiming the Utah governor's mansion as his official residence were thrown out. And there's no evidence that Mitt Romney's votes in Massachusetts - when he owned two out-of-state homes but claimed his son's basement as his official residence - were ever thrown out) and have made no effort to prosecute them.

It just seems weird to be so concerned about preventing voter fraud that may have happened in a miniscule number of races (38 nationwide that the Bush Justice Department was able to find over eight years), but we're not rushing to pass laws to prevent people from being wrongfully turned away from the polls (more than 38 voters were wrongfully purged from the voter rolls in Florida in 2000 because they had names similar to felons), and when we do actually find fraud, we not only don't even mete out a slap on the wrist, but we make at least one fraudulent voter a favorite to win the Republican nomination for the presidency.

I don't have a problem showing my ID at the polling place, but this was a solution in search of a problem, and it's very clear that the entire reason these laws are being passed is because those pushing the laws have statistics that show that the ID laws will decrease voter turnout amongst a population that tends to vote Democratic. If the polling and studies showed that fewer Republicans would vote if voter ID was passed, we wouldn't have this law in Texas.

(And the second somebody arrests and charges Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman and Todd Akin for their voter fraud, I'll believe that actual voter fraud is a concern)

Observist
Observist

Here's some help:  All the things you listed are interactions with private businesses, not consitutionally protected rights.  Requiring ID that costs money amounts to a poll tax, which violates the 24th amendment. 

A more interesting comparison is to ID/background checks required to purchase a gun.  The Right is all up in arms (ha ha) about ID checks infringing on the right to bear arms, but doesn't seem to have any qualms about infringing on the right to vote - even though there are far more cases of gun-facilitated murder than there are of voter fraud.

John_McKee
John_McKee

Guess what poor people don't do because they are poor?

Total Dick
Total Dick

"Guess what poor people don't do because they are poor?"

Have any personal responsibility.

Mike3647
Mike3647

Why don't you go write for the daily kos or huff po?

James Miller
James Miller

If you want to vote get either a driver's license or a state ID card.  Bottom line.  They cost a couple of bucks and are available all over the city a short bus ride away.  If you can get yourself to the polls to vote then you can get yourself to a DPS office before election day.

Chris Danger
Chris Danger

It's going to be an interesting go from the SCOTUS if they take this up, as they've been more "conservative" in their decisions as of late. Here's hoping they show some common sense and do the right thing in this case

PlacitasRoy
PlacitasRoy

Texas is just one of 38 states attempting to implement the 30+ year effort by the Reich-wing super-rich t disenfranchise people.

Paul Weyrich,father of the right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, Moral Majorit, the Reich-wing Uber-rich funded ALAC (thathas been writing the voting suppressions laws. Details at: http://alecexposed.org/wiki/AL...  tellshis flock that he doesn't want people to vote. That's why the GOP is obsessed with voter fraud---only they want to disenfranchisevoters because, as Weyrich said back in the '80's...the more voters thereare---the less of a chance the Reich-wingers have in any election. Addressing  a gathering of some 15,000 preachers at atraining conference in Dallas , Texas in 1980 (RonaldReagan & Rev. Jerry Falwell alsoshared the podium).

 

How many of our Christians have what I call ‘theGoo-Goo’ syndrome? Good Government. They want everyone to vote! I don’t want everyone to vote! Elections are notwon by the majority of people – theynever have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now! As a matter of fact, our leverage inthe elections, quite candidly, goes up as the voting populous goes down!

 Watch the Weyrich video beginning at about2:45 into this video: http://www.thomhartmann.com/bi...

amuncat
amuncat

We have such a low  opinion of poor people and minorities. I don't understand how requiring the voter ID would discriminate against them. Oh heck, there I go again, racist me! Who would have thought, something like this would prevent illegal aliens from voting...

Guest
Guest

Serious question: The law says I have to produce an acceptable form of ID at the polls in order to vote, but does it say that the address on my voter registration has to match the address on my ID?

(This doesn't actually affect me right now since my DL and Voter registration currently match, but I remember back in college that I voted at my temporary college residences even though I kept my parent's house on my DL).

Jas
Jas

Given that the arguments for and against voter registration and voter ID are identical, I think it's pretty clear to all that this is nothing more than culture war puffery. 'Course, culture war puffery is why we're here. That's Joe Tone's job, culture warrior. Probably beats window caulker.

According to the Texas Tribune

http://tinyurl.com/636umjl

"The new measure means most Texans will have to show an allowed form of identification to vote in any local, state or national election. These include a state-issued ID card or a driver’s license, a military ID, a concealed handgun license issued by the Department of Public Safety, a passport or a state-issued election identification certificate. The latter is a free ID issued to a person who requests it specifically for the purpose of voting."

a free ID issued to a person who requests it specifically for the purpose of voting.

So poor by virtue of the fucking law itself isn't the problem, but disinterested, lazy, shiftless, and stump-fucking-stupid may be.

Yeah, you right, I'm about to be disenfranchised, because, see, there ain't no one with the proper grade of extra virgin olive oil available to dip his finger in before he gently worms that big turd outa my ass for me, because shitting it out myself is a disenfranchising burden too great for me to bear, to make room for that tender morsel of my favorite sumpin' someone else needs to be spoon feeding me, 'cause making the effort to feed myself is another disenfranchising burden even worse than taking a shit myself. And on top of that, believe it or not, now I gotta shift my ass around enough to get a free voter registration card and a free voter ID.

This is what those young fools in uniform are dying for, a free American vote so worthless to those who could have it that it's just too much trouble for them to bother with.

pak152
pak152

in Mexico every voter has a secure voter ID card, with a photograph. When the voter arrives to the polling station, the poll workers check it against a book with the photograph of every single voterin the precinct.http://www.vdare.com/articles/...

Thelisma Partridge
Thelisma Partridge

Now if Mexico would only require cartel members to have secure drug dealer ID cards...

G_David
G_David

And for those of you that haven't yet figured it out, instead of re-posting the same drivel every time you think of another brilliant point, why not try the 'edit' function and put it all into one meaningless, easily-ignored screed?  It makes you look much less desperate.

pak152
pak152

oh because G_David we want to make sure that you read what we post.  as for easily ignored screeds yours rank up there at the highest level

I love your open-mindedness and ability to converse in the most intellectual manner possible. I guess you are in agreement with Mexico's voter id program since you offered no opposing view, and if that is the case then you approve of the Texas voter id law

Sic (ita) age ut frater tuus

pak152
pak152

wonder if these activists are aware that Mexico's voter id comes "complete with photograph, fingerprint, and a holographic image to prevent counterfeiting"?http://webcache.googleusercont...

"Mexico's voter ID card is now widely regarded as one of the most secure, reliable voter identification systems in the world. So trusted is the integrity of Mexico's voter ID credential that amid all the controversy surrounding the close presidential election on July 2, 2006, no one questioned the security, reliability, or authenticity of Mexico's voter identification itself. Indeed, Mexico's voter ID has become the country's de facto identification document and is readily accepted as positive proof-of-identity by merchants, banks, government officials, and citizens nationwide."http://www.security-technology...

Unusual supporter for Texas Voter ID lawhttp://www.governing.com/blogs...

pak152
pak152

what I find interesting is that in virtually every other country in the world voters are required to present a photo id and once they have voted usually a finger or thumb is dipped into indelible ink so they can't vote again. I've also noticed that these activists don't complain about the photo ids that have to be presented at airport security, a bank to cash a check or like tonight at a store when using a credit card.

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...

http://www.newschannel5.com/st...

http://blogs.dallasobserver.co...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/...

http://www.nationalreview.com/...

"You can't cash a check, board a plane, or even buy full-strength Sudafed over the counter without ID. Why should voting be different?"http://online.wsj.com/article/...

John2247
John2247

You are citing Mexico as a beacon of non-corruption? 

"You can't cash a check, board a plane, or even buy full-strength Sudafed over the counter without ID. Why should voting be different?"

Because none of those are a Constitutional Right.  Voting is.

pak152
pak152

boy some folks on this blog have a real problem with reading comprehension. I am in no way citing Mexico as a beacon of non-corruption. I am merely pointing out that they have instituted a form of voter identification designed to cut down or eliminate voter fraud. Just the same as their immigration laws are much tougher than ours and yes I find it duplicitous of them to complain about our immigration laws.

and yes voting is a constitutional right but not in the way you are thinking. "The "right to vote" is explicitly stated in the U.S. Constitution in the above referenced Amendments, but only in reference to the fact that the franchise cannot be denied or abridged based solely on the aforementioned qualifications. In other words, the "right to vote" is perhaps better understood, in layman's terms, as only prohibiting certain forms of legal discrimination in establishing qualifications for suffrage. The "right to vote" may or may not be denied for other reasons." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V...states are allowed under the Constitution to establish qualifications and rules.

http://supreme.justia.com/cons...

Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, 553 U.S. 181 (2008) was a United States Supreme Court case holding that an Indiana law requiring voters to provide photo IDs did not violate the Constitution of the United States.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

In a splintered 6-3 ruling, the court upheld Indiana's strict photo ID requirement, which Democrats and civil rights groups said would deter poor, older and minority voters from casting ballots. Its backers said it was needed to prevent fraud. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24...

Anonymous
Anonymous

as long as we're playing the "it's ok because every other country in the world does it" game, let's talk about taxes, healthcare, and social issues. the fact is that other countries around the world do it because they have far stronger central governments than the United States, in terms of the power citizens are willing to let them have over a whole host of issues. but I suspect you just want to use the rest of the world as an example when it supports something that you believe in.

pak152
pak152

so then you would prefer the higher levels of unemployment found in other countries around the world?

so far i've yet to see any reasonable objective reason for why we shouldn't have a voter id

as for what other countries do i would prefer to see the low taxes found in much places like Hong Kong and the former Eastern bloc countries, along with less government regulation. India woke up to the fact that government regulation was hampering the growth of their economy and have started to reduce the regulations that make it difficult to start a business

I cited other countries' voter id efforts because they recognized that voter fraud can be a problem. apparently you are okay with having voter fraud run rampant in this country

engmofo
engmofo

"India woke up to the fact government regulation was hampering the growth of their economy and have started to reduce the regulations that make it difficult to start a business "Worked out REAL well for workers rights , conditions & the environment eh?

Anonymous
Anonymous

I'm not okay with voter fraud, I just think existing laws on the books are perfectly capable of detecting and prosecuting offenders - the key ingredient is having people in government and law enforcement who care about the issue. It's the same reason I oppose the new financial regulations - the laws on the books are perfectly capable of accomplishing the same thing but people in government choose not to use them. 

As for Hong Kong, you are free to move there for their low taxes - an added bonus will be no worrying at all about voter disenfranchisement since you will be living in a Communist country. In case you hadn't noticed, the US unemployment rate is not looking so hot these days, so that argument is sort of out the window. You are also free to move to India if you like the direction they are moving. Comparing the policies relevant to a developing country to the US is asinine. 

PlacitasRoy
PlacitasRoy

You can board a plane without a Photo ID. Unlike voting, there are proven problems with hot checks and Sudafed.

 POS propaganda sites like Heritage, Nation Review and Fux appeal to the most gullible, dumbest, and most racist Hell Dubya's DOJ pent YEARS and FIRED US Attorneys because they couldn't find a problem!

pak152
pak152

true you don't need a photo id to board the plane, BUT you do need a valid government issued photo id to get through security, boy talk about not connecting the dots. If one can't get through security then one can't board the plane.

and there are problems with voting, or are you not aware of the various voter fraud cases that have been filed against ACORN?

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/t...

http://online.wsj.com/article/...

"A Nevada judge on Wednesday gave ACORN, the defunct grass-roots community organization, the maximum fine for its illegal voter-registration scheme in that state. 

District Court Judge Donald Mosley was blunt and unsparing in his criticism of the discredited activist group

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politic...

and IIRC ACORN is closely associated with the Democratic Party and the President

CCarpenter
CCarpenter

Because all of the examples you mention are not a basic right to all citizens like voting.

pak152
pak152

so you''re saying that voting should require no identification at all? how do we prevent fraud?

Guest
Guest

They're not supposed to ask for ID when using a credit card. It's a violation of the merchant agreement.

pak152
pak152

and how  do we stop identity theft and the use of thieves using credit cards? while it may violate the merchant's agreement with the credit card issuer i'm thankful that they did ask for it.

can I borrow your credit card? ;-)

Guest
Guest

I don't mind them doing it, either, but that doesn't change the fact that they're not supposed to.

G_David
G_David

Exactly, you should only be allowed to vote IF you can also board a plane, cash a check, or buy Sudafed.  That's a really kick-ass argument, dumbass.

pak152
pak152

wow! what a brilliant commentone of the best i've ever read. did you bother to read any of the links? what do you think about mexico which uses a biometric voter id with photo, fingerprint and holograph? and they double check against a photo in a book?once again a liberal/progressive proves that point that when one can't argue with facts it is better to use the ad hominem attack method. could you not come up with something better? such as *sshole?, mf*cker, d**chebag? Really couldn't you be a bit more creative? Stercorem pro cerebro habes

Paul
Paul

Nope ... just put lipstick on a pig ...

Total Dick
Total Dick

You get what you dish out in the first place.

jfpo
jfpo

Directed at Joe and others:

"libs, dumbest, libtards, total embarrassment to all libtard, You even suck at being s propagandist, brainwashed by your egalitarian libtard religion of progressivism, more bleeding-heart white-guilt libtard"

Please don't act like all the insults here have been coming from one side.

G_David
G_David

Is there anything more entertaining than poking these Neanderthal idealogues in the eye with a sharp stick?  I think not.  They jump 15 yards offsides SO EASILY!!

pak152
pak152

 well I took a look and i found one comment saying Joe was a failure, but couldn't find anything approaching "dumbass"

if Mexico can put in place a secure system why not the US. As for the illegal migration from Mexico to the US that is a result of the economy not the corruption in the government

pak152
pak152

and apparently they put that process in place as a first step to eliminate corruption

haven't seen what others call Joe, but I'll take a look

jfpo
jfpo

"In the good old days, children like you were left to perish onwindswept crags."

So if we just translate our insults into Latin we have "elevated" the discussion?

Die dulci fruimini.

jfpo
jfpo

"what do you think about mexico which uses a biometric voter id with photo, fingerprint and holograph? and they double check against a photo in a book?" Good example. Mexico is well known for its corruption-free government and institutions as well as its fine treatment of its poorer citizens. That's why none of them want to come here.

"such as *sshole?, mf*cker, d**chebag? Really couldn't you be a bit more creative?" You have noticed what your conservative friends have been calling Joe in the comments above, haven't you?

pak152
pak152

Thank you G-David for engaging is such a scintillating discussion about such an important issue. you do the liberal/progressive wing of our polity a true honor.Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem

G_David
G_David

Nope, I think dumbass sums you up pretty well.

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