North Texans For 9/11 Truth: Still Running Around in "Rabbit Hole" After All These Years

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The North Texans for 9/11 Truth-ers riding in the 2009 MLK Day Parade down Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard
With the decade anniversary of 9/11 almost here, there's been a run of stories in every media outlet, major and minor, about both the September 11 attacks and the decade that followed. A few of those pieces, including a recent Associated Press report making the rounds, have focused on September 11th conspiracy theories. You know the ones: 9/11 was an inside job, the towers were brought down with controlled demolitions, the government knew about the attacks ahead of time -- there are different permutations, but all the theories basically center around the belief that the "official" version of what happened, as told in the 9/11 Commission Report and mostly echoed by the reporting of the country's journalists, is a lie.

As far away as Dallas is from the epicenter of that day's events, North Texans have always played an outsized role in the "9/11 truth movement." North Texans for 9/11 Truth was founded in 2005 by a Dallas schoolteacher named Joe Stokes, and the group says it has 200 people on its mailing list and about 50 active members. A few of them meet every month at Barbec's near White Rock Lake, and they march every year in the annual Martin Luther King Day Parade, handing out the same DVDs and fliers they occasionally send to our office. They've also taken out ads in the back of our paper, among other places.

On Sunday, to mark the anniversary, they're screening a documentary called 9/11 Explosive Evidence: Experts Speak Out, produced by a national group who call themselves Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth.

"The movement is growing immensely," Bryan Black told Unfair Park. He's a carpenter from Commerce who's been a part of the group for about a year and a half.

"There's people all over the place," adds Tom Timer, one of the North Texas chapter's original members. "With the 9/11 truth movement, there's not one leader. A bunch of it is different individuals, they find out about this stuff. Then they may form a group like what occurred here, or they may do things on their own."

Timer says he was once a "hardcore Republican," before he heard a friend of his wife's say that 9/11 was "an inside job."

"That really pissed me off," he says. "I went to the Internet to prove her wrong, and I started finding out --- my jaw dropped. I couldn't believe it. I did more and more research, and the more I researched the more I recognized how duped I had been."

Asked what he considers "research," Timer says, "Only through verifiable facts. That's the key," because, as he put it, "you hear all kinds of wild things."

For his part, Black blames "the media" for failing to spread more accurate information about what happened on September 11th (he personally believes the towers were brought down in a controlled demolition). "They've played along," he says. "They've been doing a lot of work to keep people in the dark and scared out of their wits."

He can't say exactly who's responsible for the attacks: "I'm not going to sit there and try to name all the names. ... But they had foreknowledge of it and they profited off of it and then there were those who were involved. These people are still out there. It's not like Charles Manson who was a poor little hippie who killed a dozen or so people. These are people who can kill thousands, millions, and live a life of luxury. We got jails for people who are dangerous. These people are really dangerous. ...These people are very powerful. They can get away with things."

For Timer, the 9/11 truth movement has been only the beginning of his trip down what he freely admits is a "rabbit hole. "Once you discover the government's version of 9/11 is a lie, you start finding out about other things," he says darkly. He encourages everyone to "thoroughly educate themselves" by spending "at least eight hours researching this."

"I respect anybody's evaluation and conclusion if they thoroughly investigate it," he says. "Draw your own conclusions. Don't let anybody tell you what to think: not the government, and not a conspiracy theorist. Just draw your own conclusions. And if a person does a thorough investigation, they'd have to have a pretty small I.Q. not to ..." He trails off. "Sometimes," he says, finally, "the truth is so painful for people."


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Dallas911truth
Dallas911truth

GOOD SOURCES for research about 9/11

Start by watching this 15 minute video narrated by the actor, Ed Asner -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...or athttp://rememberbuilding7.org/1...

Then, 50 EXPERTS SPEAK OUT with unimpeachable sciencehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

You can get a 5 minute quick version of "The Original Conspiracy Theory" here (and it is fun!)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Written sources...Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Public Awarenesshttp://www.ae911truth.org/

9/11 Family Members' Campaign for Public Awarenesshttp://rememberbuilding7.org/1...

Published peer-reviewed science research papers (unchallenged in the science journals)...

International Center for 9/11 Studies (based out of Dallas)http://www.ic911studies.org/Pa...

Huge collection of Scholars' published workshttp://stj911.org/

Michael Shannon
Michael Shannon

Like the man said, people need to look at the information the Government has said about 9/11. This is not people makeing this stuff up, its the words of  the government. All you have to do is look it up. We as americans are conditioned to beleive everything the government tells us, or atleast 50%. The President said on national tv, they never thought that they would use commerical planes and fly them into buildings, ther is evedeince they have military exercise to the exact same thing that happened on 9/11. A matter of fact the morning of 9/11, two fighter planes were flown to North Carolina to be part of a war game were planes had been hijacked by muslim's and flying them into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. When the President was told of the attacks when was at a school reading a story to students, he stayed another 30 minutes and kept on reading. He also said he saw on tv the first plan hit in New York, when it hadn't been on tv. The attack on the first building was not televised until after the second plan hit. NORAD has been overseen by a General ever since it was started, in May of 2001 Dick Cheyney ordered Rumsfeild to give him cammand of NORAD. The plans were in the air for over an hour, and he did nothing to stop the attacks, when the plan was heading towards the Pentagon he was told the plan is 50 miles out, then 30 miles out, and then 10 miles, the young man ask if the order still stands (of stand down), he said, have you heard anything different, stand down. There has been only one major attack on the US since the early 70's and that was in 1993 when a large truck with explosives went off under the Trade Center, 6 died. Then the one in 2001, and nothing since. Two weeks ago, they claimed that on the anniversary of 9/11, small planes with explosives, now its been changed to a vehicle. Even the CIA trained and funded Osama in the 70's. This info is out there just look for it.

Paul
Paul

If conspiracy put there energy into a real cause we could solve the problems or war, hunger and why the cable guy can't keep an appointment instead we are stuck with endless ramblings that have no meaning.

Chris
Chris

"Even in the minority of one, the truth is still the truth."- Gandhi. (Even though I am not in the minority of one.) The people who deny the overwhelming evidence, which proves 911 was a controlled demolition, are afraid and fearful of the consequences that come with speaking their mind and thinking for themselves. The "Hassle Free Zone," as David Icke would say, is so much easier to exist in, than stepping outside of the box and expressing your true self. In our present times, living freely and believing the facts, instead of living a lie and believing the crap, comes with persecution, because it's not the social norm, its different, strange, looney. The majority of people who try disproving 911 facts have no argument and, more than likely, have never taken the time to read, watch, or conduct any research of their own about 911. It is the fear of the truth. It is fear that controls them. The truth is everywhere, if you want to see it.  

Michael
Michael

Military Officers for 911 Truth-- www.mo911truth.org  

Anyone who spends time there and the links they support will get a good dose of understanding your government inslying to you.

phe_75034
phe_75034

Biggest time-waste ever. The "truthers" will never be satisfied, and will continue to make this country look like a bunch of raving idiots in the eyes of the rest of the world, for years to come. Mahmoud Ahmenidejad and his ilk will use the "truther's" delusional bullshit to make their own equally delusional bullshit sound better.

In about 30 years, when no one has uncovered any real proof of anything, the furor will die down. just like it has with the JFK assasination. After that, only the real die-hard nuts will try to peddle this snake oil. And the rest of us will continue to go about our business.

I, for one, vow to stop rising to the bait these assholes keep spreading around. Live in your little paranoid world. I don't care what you think. Idiots.

Diane Birdwell
Diane Birdwell

FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom—approximately 10 stories—about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner. NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse. According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."----- Popular Mechanics

Cyndibrn
Cyndibrn

There is a lot more to this picture than what has been mentioned here so far, like the really close ties between The Bin Ladens and the Bushes, remember they got to get out of dodge while everyone else was grounded, or how about Bush sitting on his ass in a classroom looking all guilty and freaked out about the situation, not to mention his Secret Service guys not rushing him out when they heard the nation is "under attack" lets see, Norman Minetta testifying a different time line when Cheney entered the Bunker, and whipping his head around and stated "the order still stands"  when told the plane is 100 miles out 50 miles out and so forth. Lets see, pulvarized buildings turned to dust with tiny fragmented bones found in the dust and on top of other buildings, even years later, lets see, millions of puts  stock options traded right before the attacks, (highly out of the norm) for UA, AA and some other companies, directly hit by planes, lets see, oh yeah, Anthrax killings, a week after to Tom Dashle, others, and note saying Death to Americans, Allah is Great, you know the second wave of terror, then Patriot Act passed, Homeland Security then later on " oh it wasn't the terrorist after all it was one of our guys made in our miliary labs", too late we went to war with Iraq, seems to have completed it's objective, lets see, 1500+ archs and engineers saying can't be so, against the fundimental laws of gravity, you know the ones that say the littles part can't fall thru the biggest part without slowing down from the resistance , you know the part that's been holding the other part up all these years, the part that wasn't on fire and solid from 49 steel thick columnes running straight up the middle of the buildings, lets see, other building built in the same time frame and withstood longer lasting fires and still the steel framed skeleton still standing, WTC7 fallen at exactly free fall speed for 8 stories, sorry can't happen unless all steel girders and coloums break at once, Also looks EXACTLY like CD. No wonder "Twoofers" are so stupid, heaven knows they can't think for themselves, or can't read right? Well untill you give me something else that makes sense of all this I will stand up for 911 truth and a new impartial investigation any day, we need the truth and not just a little truth let out of the bag every now and then, like in all the 911 Comissioners coming out with thier books saying " We were lied to"boo hoo and all that stuff just to cover thier assess because they know they didn't ask any hard questions, Bush and Cheney not testifying under oath, not separate but together, most of the questions prepared by the Steering Committee, (the families) questions not ansered, or insufficiently answered, so get a grip you guys, 911=inside job or at the very leastallowed to happen then covered up.

Bryan Edward Black
Bryan Edward Black

 For those who wish to see the evidence and listen to the experts from around the world, go to one of the listed locations where "9/11:Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out" premieres this week. http://911expertsspeakout.org/...This video will also premiere in Grand Prairie at the United Aerospace Workers Union hall 2218 E. Main Street between 2pm and 6pm. Free Admission to all.  We are not selling the Truth because our honesty is not for sale.

Paul
Paul

OK ... I realize that I am deluded in my viewpoint ...

The WTC towers collapse was actually planned, designed, and executed by federal government under the command of Dick Cheney at the NORAD Cheyenne Complex.

Thousands of people were employed to manufacture, distribute and install thousands of pounds of nanothermite onto the beams of the WTC 1 and 2 towers.  A complex wireless detonation system that was digitally secure was installed to detonate the nanothermite.  Additionally, the WTC 7 building was intentionally weakened and hundreds if not thousands of pounds of explosives, det cord, wiring and detonators were installed in the months before the planes were to be flown into the WTC 1 and 2 towers.

The CIA and the NSA conducted extensive plastic surgery on their operatives to make them look like people of Middle Eastern descent.  They were given cover identities and spent several years in Florida pretending to take flight lessons when in fact they were Air Force trained pilots.

These agents were specially selected for having had no friends, aquaintances, or family members who would notice that they had gone missing.

The NSA recruited the BBC, NBC, CNN, ABC, Rueters and AP to provide the false information as to the collapse of the WTC.

The so called live reports were actually done in a basement studio in the Pentagon in front of a green screen.  The plane that crashed into the Pentagon was actually a ruse to destroy the studio from which the false broadcasts were originated.

Amercian Airlines was briefed on the sequence of the jets to be hijacked as these particular aircraft had serious maintenance issues which Boeing needed to have covered up in order to prevent a free fall in their stock price.  The intentional grounding of all aircraft was done to allow Boeing to secretly retrofit all of their aircraft which had serious airframe cracks.  This is why the stand down was done for only one day.

If you look at the scenes from after the first plane was crashed into the WTC tower by the CIA operatives, you can see a number of helicopters flying around.  These helicopters were providing flight directions to the so called "hi-jacked aircraft".

The so called people that you see coming out of the building's upper floors were actually dummies being tossed out by FBI and Secret Service agents.  Has any body notice that Secret Service's abbreviation is SS?  And that FBI is an english acronym for KGB?

The buildings had already been evacuated and the people who worked in the buildings have been held in a secure internment camp at Area 51 in Nevada since 9/11.  The people who you saw running from the building were actors hired by Halliburton upon orders from the White House.

The whole thing was a cover up by the federal government.

You people need to do your homework before you respond.  You need to open up your eyes and see what is really around us.  The Matrix is real!

Bryan Edward Black
Bryan Edward Black

The Truth about 9/11 can be easily ascertained by applying the Scientific Method. So those who believe the official story should bring forth their evidence, and those who believe that the WTC buildings were brought down by controlled demolition will present their evidence. We will then present our evidence, experts and witnesses to the world and allow them to decide what is real. 

GAA
GAA

I bet these guys think that we never landed on the moon either.  

USA Today came out with this exactly one year after the attack.  It is very detailed and very graphic.  The left side of the screen has the stories with graphics with audio. http://www.usatoday.com/news/s... 

Hal Renfield
Hal Renfield

"They perish because they refused to love the Truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not loved the Truth but have delighted in wickedness " - 2 Thess. 2:9-12

http://torontohearings.org/

Joestokes
Joestokes

As a child I thought as a child, but as an adult I gave up my belief in fairy tales. Among the most difficult things to do is to admit you were wrong and admit that you were conned.

We are immersed in an Orwellian nightmare. Yes, elements within our own government were involved in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks for profit, control (of us, you and me), and empire.

The perpetrators of 9/11 have studied you well and performed a psychological operation on you knowing the vast majority of people are gullible and naive and that they could get away with it.They knew that very few actually think for themselves and the rest can be led, guided, programmed.

When you choose to remove your blinders your fairy-tale world dissipates.

I'd rather know the truth about everything sooner than later.

With knowing the truth comes responsibility, with responsibility comes risk. Sadly, few are ready for that.

Dallas911truth
Dallas911truth

Diane,Some of your facts are correct.Some of your facts are emphatically wrong.

As verfied by NIST, Building 7 suffered no significant structural damage.  The structural integrity of Building 7 was stalwart, even after both Towers collapsed and even after some minor fires within the building.  NIST documents this thoroughly.  This is the study which they embarked upon in late 2002 and completed in summer 2008.  The NIST report did not lie about this fact.  The final NIST report says it was one beam (#79) that cause the total collapse.  The beam supposedly became disjointed as a result of an office fire on one floor.  NIST lied about this aspect.

Building 7 fell AT FREE FALL acceleration for 8 floors...the same speed as a ball falling.  It fell straight down. Straight down into its own footprint.  Anyone who knows physics and has critical thinking skills knows that this is impossible without a controlled demolition.

And there is the forensic evidence of the molten metal.  ...and the forensic evidence of the microspheres found in the dust.  ...and the unexploded flakes of nano-composite thermitic material found in all the dust samples. ...and the forensic evidence from independent labs. ...and the forensic evidence from the EPA air samples.

Diane, You are correct about the foreknowledge of the collapse of Building 7.  People did know that it was going to collapse.  The BBC reported that it had already collapsed at 5pm (although the building was still standing behind Jane Stanley while she reported it.  Her feed scrambled when the building actually collapsed at 5:20).Diane, You are right about the foreknowledge.  Kevin McPadden testified hearing the countdown and then explosions.  Many people heard the explosions.Graeme MacQueen has done some excellent research about the Building 7 collapse foreknowledge.  The foreknowledge is an eyebrow raiser. 

Anyone who watches Building 7 collapse, has got to have some questions.

Most Americans have never heard of Building 7.  <-(This alone is alarming)

Dallas911truth
Dallas911truth

Go to "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" to get verifiable facts.  Forensic and physical evidence is presented.  Peer reviewed scientific studies (unchallenged in the science journals).  More than 100 First Responder witnesses to explosions.  The civilian hero of 9/11, William Rodriguez.  Dr Graeme MacQueen's video report about the foreknowledge of the collapse of Building 7.

Stand with the 9/11 family members and go to "RememberBuilding7.org".

It is evident that some of the sardonic comments are made by people who have not thoroughly researched 9/11, ( or perhaps they are stuck in a snarky-attitude-try-to-be-clever aberration). 

The evidence of the 9/11 Cover-up is unimpeachable...a person need only thoroughly look into it.

Diane Birdwell
Diane Birdwell

These people want so much to believe something --that an act of destruction could not be that devastating and that simple. Well, it was.

There was NO conspiracy, no set demolition charges. NONE. WTC 7 was hit by TONS of debris, was ON FIRE--not small fires, LARGE ones, and FDNY was worried it might come down at any time, since nobody knew the stability of ANY building along West, Veasey or Liberty Streets. They had already seen thousands die, and they wanted to end the loss of life, to the point that they let fires burn.

WTC 7 was going to fail, and the FDNY knew it. WTC 6 was falling, or could fall. They wanted to use cables to pull the buildings down. I think they used cables on two of the buildings, if I recall what was told to me....

You see, I know many of the survivors, the witnesses, the ones who were there--the cops and firemen. THEY will tell you that your organization is a load of B.S.

A lot of wasted energy on a false belief that serves nobody. What if your little group was right, then WHAT DO YOU WANT?

You all remind me of the joke, "So, have you stopped beating your wife yet?" No way to answer that without sounding guilty.

keep it real
keep it real

Is ghadafi hiding out in north Texas with these idiots?

Occam's Razor
Occam's Razor

DO.  Why did you do this?  Why did you bring out this story?  The comments will start as intellectual debate and then devolve into insults. 

Just like the JFK and MAN on the MOON conspriacies, there is NO way to stop these people from trying to prove their theories aside from admitting they are right.  Check out the Popular Science article debunking most if not all of the truthers theories:  http://www.popularmechanics.co...

Then again, maybe Popular Mechanics is owned by haliburton or boogey man bush/cheney.  

Occam's Razor 

Hank
Hank

RE:. Michael ShannonAlthough I generally agree with you, I believe your posting will produce very undesired effects due to the horrible writing.  With a name like yours, I would think English is your native tongue, but this gets the prize for the worst spelling and grammar on the internet, and that is saying something.  It is so bad, it casts doubt on your intelligence and your competence about anything,  I see you have a plan for a plane, and not just one.

Michael
Michael

I would certainly put more faith in the Military experts and Pilots: ( 200,000 + hours of air time in military an civilian aircraft) the 1800+ Architects and Engineers and thousands of ohter experts than the unsubstantiated chatter of Diane. These numbers top the paltry few experts on the governments claims which seem to circulate in the same circles of media outlets and are repeated like a mantra. Point is it does not match the evidence, so masterfully presented by many. 

Michael
Michael

A conspiracy, in simple terms is two or more persons planning something-more often criminal--thats all. The official report somehow missed BLDG 7, 47 stories that WAS NOT hit by a plane. It is not even acknowledged in the "light towers" still 10 years later. There was a conspiracy to bring down 3 bldgs and the hit the Pentagon. Problem is who were the real conspirators? There is monumental evidence that the attack was a classic "false flag" with false balme placed for geo political purposes.  If  Observer readers paused and actually researched, instead of parroting what the official line is may problems start arrising with the official conspiracy of 19 Arabs.  Pretend you are an investigative journalist taking a hard detailed look at what thousands of experts are saying. The media has yet to report in fair fashion the evidence presented by 1800+ Architects and Engineers, Pilots, Scholars...etc, etc    Military Officers for 911 Truth is the best place to start. www.mo911truth.org    ( A little history does hurt what many find impossible to believe is more commong than you may be willing to accept.  

Cyndibrn
Cyndibrn

You are right about one thing, in 30 yrs just like JFK, RFK and MLK  the truth will quietly be revealed and yes the new generations will not care because it is old history by now. This has been well planned to end that way, how sad that you care nothing for honesty and integrity, and oh yeah my mother taught me well when she said Cyndi just remember " sticks and stones may brake my bones but words can never hurt me" In regards to the  name calling.

Diane Birdwell
Diane Birdwell

Yea, but when nobody calls BS on them, they use that as "further proof" of their case. They are using this poll that says, "48% of New Yorkers want a new investigation..." Yea, and 50% of NYC wants lower subway fares. Their point? Ask them to pay for it out of city funds, then see how much agree then? When nobody answers back against lunacy, it gathers credence. I know. I have to teach high school kids EVERY YEAR, that A.D. does NOT mean "after death," but "anno Domini." You see, "someone" taught them that. I have to teach them that putting cotton in an infected ear makes it worse. I have to teach them all kinds of stuff, because they got the wrong lessons before coming into high school. These con buffs need to be calle dout every time they lift up their heads. We owe it to the dead of 9/11. We owe to THE REAL TRUTH. And it ain't their version.

Dallas911truth
Dallas911truth

Diane,You are wrong and that Popular Mechanics is wrong.  Popular Mechanics issued that statement years prior to the NIST Final Report.  Read the Final Report issued by NIST in 2008.  The NIST Final Report makes Popular Mechanics look silly.

You can hear the spokesperson for NIST in this video.  He tells you.  http://rememberbuilding7.org/1...

Diane, Frankly it appears that you are more interested in trying to "be right with a debate", than in finding out the truth and admitting to the true aspects of the alarming inconsistencies.

Diane Birdwell
Diane Birdwell

You all keep harping about NIST? Well, either they are now part of the conspiracy, or you don't know what they figured out over time, or you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Really? Dropping bowling balls? God, people, get a life and move on. It has been ten years. If the "truth" were anything CLOSE to what you said it is, we would kow, because Washington cannot keep a secret. Your theory depends on EVERY detail working perfectly, EVERY person in the right place, the right time, the weather being perfect, the whatever.....

Make something of the brain God gave you and MOVE ON. Work with the homeless, feed the poor. If you are right, then what? You still offer NO reason to believe what you believe. At least with JFK, a case could be made for the Mafia killing him, or the Hoffas, or the CIa, etc... Does not make it so, but there was some reasonable ideas behind it. All we get from you are frankly, crazy assertions that Bin Laden was Bush's Bagman. Okay. Nuff said. Peddle your story to people who can't figure logic for themselves.

mydogsays
mydogsays

Still working for Cass Sunstein I see.

Cass Sunstein, currently the head of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, co-authored paper "Conspiracy Theories" proposed "the best response consists in cognitive infiltration of extremist groups" suggesting, among other tactics, "Government agents might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups & attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts re: factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action."

mydogsays
mydogsays

Try doing some actual factual research about 9/11 instead of making up your own theories. You really are a CONSPIRACY NUT aren't you?

Try these sources instead...

Architects and Engineers For 9/11 TruthPatriots Question 9/11Scholars For 9/11 Truth and JusticePilots For 9/11 TruthFirefighters For 9/11 TruthLawyer For 9/11 TruthLaw Enforcement For 9/11 TruthScientists For 9/11 TruthMilitary Officers For 9/11 TruthChristians For 9/11 TruthMuslins For TruthReligious Professionals For 9/11 TruthMedical Professionals For 9/11 TruthActors and Actors For 9/11 Truth

and so on...

Kungfurick
Kungfurick

funniest thing i read all day. great job! 

texanarch
texanarch

You are not only wrong, but you are clearly an asshole.  I hope we never meet.

mydogsays
mydogsays

This has nothing to do with any moon landings. big foot, Loch Ness monster or Elvis sightings and your simple minded attempt to divert the subject and affix false blame only works for a braindead few.

Hank
Hank

Insults are the strongest argument the anti-Truthers have.  The term, Conspiracy Theorist has become a handy tool for those who prefer to remain uneducated, yet find comfort in the big lie.  When you meet a conspiracy theorist, feel free to use an unbalanced standard of evidence when weighing two or more options.  Feel free to not bother looking at anything they offer. Feel free to automatically consider them stupid and sub-human.  It worked for the Nazis with the Jews, and it worked for the South and the "niggers." Feel free to come to Barbec's free speech forum on Saturday at 6 pm to at least know what you are objecting to.  Q& A and rebuttals, as always.Alternatively, Sunday see a new movie by the real experts at 2pm, at 2218 E. Main St., Grand Prairie.

"Condemnation, without investigation, is the highest form of ignorance."                      Einstein

"The Official report is disgusting and a national scandal"Max Cleland,   9/11 Commissioner

"It was just so far from the truth"      Thomas H Kean, Chairman 9/11 Commission, referring to NORAD's account of why they didn't defend the skies.

   

Diane Birdwell
Diane Birdwell

BS and you know it. It had over 40 TONS of debris fall on it.

Hell, I KNEW it was going to fall, because I know the theory of gravity.

Maybe I forgot to mention I was in MI School at Ft Huachuca just two weeks before that. Maybe I forgot to mention that we all knew an attack of some kind would come, because the signs, the chatter, the environment was there. Hell, we even wargamed whatthey would hit inthe biggest cities. Go figure, I went with history and predicted that they would never hit a target a 2nd time. I was wrong. I thought they would go for the Brooklyn Bridge and for the NYSE....

Did we have their flight numbers or "plant" explosives? No. Neither did anyone else.

This is not the Reichstag Fire. This is not even the Grassy Knoll.

Your group and others who want to BELIEVE- cannot prove, BELIEVE that our gov't, that cannot keep Social Security funded, cannot win a simple invasion of a country, cannot build a workable welfare system, could organize 19 hijackers from the Middle East to do what THEY wanted? B.S.

ANd you KNOW NOTHING about engineering. It is called pancaking. Floors falls DOWN, not to the side, unless one sup0port goes before the other. When a building becomes unstable, it can fall striaght down, or it can titlt. Would you have been happier to have more people killed, because it went sideways? You are the most sad people of all. You WANT

Your group has marginal people that believe what they want. Go ahead. We live in a free country. I am more concerned with real life issues.

And yo know what? Let's go with your theory. AGAIN, WHAT DIFFERENCE HAS IT MADE, IF IT WAS A CONSPIRACY? THIS COUNTRY STILL GOES ON, MY LIFE DOES. ONLY YOURS DOES NOT.

texanarch
texanarch

Diane, you are the one living in a fantasy world.  Conversations with God? 

Yet you are here to debunk the science that shows that 911 was a controlled demolition?

Then you say "What if your little group was right, then what do you want?"

What does this mean?  Are you hedging?  

Are you advocating sticking your head in the sand?  

Looks like it to me.

Our not so little group is right, whether you believe it or not.  

 

mydogsays
mydogsays

9/11 happened due to criminals in our own government. PERIOD!

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and so on...

occam's razor
occam's razor

Sorry Paul.  Plagiarised your post a little.  I commented directly to the article without reading all posts. Also, sorry kungfurick.  I guess I used the same link as you.

 Or.......

Maybe I copied yall's comments to some subconcious brain hard drive and it spilled out or something. 

Michael
Michael

The evidence of controlled demolition bringing down Bldg 7 ( not hit by a plane) is overhwleming as the experts testify. Dr Alan Sabrosky, former Marine and Instructor at the US Army War College has, in articles and interviews online, made it clear if 7 was a demolition, the towers were as well. The expertise and nano-thermite incindiary to pull 3 massive bldgs is not something wthin the capabities of "Al-Qaida (which is more likely a CIA creation)   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

phe_75034
phe_75034

What "truth" has been "quietly revealed" about the Kennedys or King? Did we somehow find out the conspiracy theories were right? 'Cuz, if so, it's been quiet indeed.

It's a dictum in intelligence circles: The likelihood of a secret being blown is equal to the square of the number of people who know it. You truthers try to argue there was an ENORMOUS conspiracy, involving hundreds, if not thousands, or people. I submit to you that no plot this complex has any chance of succeeding AND remaining secret. And don't tell me "it's not a secret - we know all about it" because you have no solid proof of anything. You have a lot of innuendo, coincidence, and circumstantial eveidence open to interpretation. You have nothing that can't be at least reasonably dispute, if not outright disproved.

You disrespect the memory of those who died. You disrespect the efforts of those who have served. You make the entire country look foolish on the world stage. And you teach our children that paranoid delusion is a valid way to live your life, that we live in a Matrix-like web of lies and deceit, and personal freedom is an illusion handed to us by our own government.

That's quite a list of "contributions" to mankind and the cause of freedom and democracy, which is still what this country represents. Good job. Hope you're proud of yourselves.

Dallas911truth
Dallas911truth

Diane,You never answered how something (such as Building 7) can achieve Free Fall while hitting obstacles and resistance.How?

Diane, explain how free fall can occur through obstacles and resistance.

Cyndibrn
Cyndibrn

Hi Diane, I did rely on NIST for satisfactory answers to why the buildings fell in the manner they did, and their conclusions were not close to accurate for me, I was surprised to hear that WTC 7 fell due to fire, not because of building damage or because of gas boilers exploding, but fires causing " a rare never seen before thermal expansion" which then they proceeded to show a dumb ass computer illustration showing all this twisting and turning , a torsion like motion before collaspsing, nothing like the real videos I saw, also the towers fell with no resistance, watching them they looked to be disintergrating as they came down, there was absolutely no deformation at all, just thousands of chunks of building shooting laterally out, and the top, the supposed pile driver no where to be found at the bottom of the pile,nor floors, unbelievable, Does gravity cause this kind of kinetic reaction? I read where in a gravity driven collaspe all the energy is used for the motion of the fall, and should have been slowed because it had to have met resistance from the part below which was intact, so what caused the pulverization, the lateral ejections of building parts and what happened to the tops, the stories above the impacts? thats what i need to understand. Also, I saw that big huge melted ball of  steel beams called " the meteor" what kind of fire caused all that steel to melt like that, they called it a mystery. If this was indeed caused by jet fuel melting the steel, how could that be if most of the jet fuel was burned off upon impact, the huge fire balls we all saw on impact. And why didn't they look for explosives at the very onset of this tragedy? Before all the steel got hauled off to China. And there were hundreds of testimony that saw and heard explosions that day. According to the law”N.F.P.A. 921- 19.2.4 Exotic Accelerants states that molten steel and concrete could indicate the use of exotic accelerants, specifically Thermite. they should have ruled explosives out. In the medical field you rule out the most easiest and obvious diagnosis or in this case explanation first and if it is negative then you look at the more difficult reasons. This is only one aspect, a huge aspect of why the official story isn't accurate, combined with the passive roles played by the people appointed to get to the bottom of what happened I would say that the whole investigation was skewed, " a failure of imagination" really?

Paul
Paul

Ummm ... I guess that the satire was lost on you ... please look at my earlier posts ...Have nice day!Just remember, even paranoids have enemies. .... ;-(,)

phe_75034
phe_75034

You're kind of a dick, you know?

Paul
Paul

Smile when you say that podner ... I guess satire is something that is lost on you ...  have a nice day!

mydogsays
mydogsays

Diane,

9/11 has led us to the Patriot Act, the loss of civil liberties, wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and under the guise of the GWOT we're also now fighting in Yemen, Somalia and Libya. 3000 people dies on 9/11, thousands more American military men personnel have died in these wars. We've killed over one million Iraqis, forced over four miliion out of their homes and land and we've killed thousands more Afghanis and Pakistanis. That's what 9/11 changed. This was clearly an inside job and by revealing that hopefully, in a just world, those who planned and took part in 9/11 will be brought to justice. You say your life goes on. Obviously these crimes don't bother you.

For those not afraid of the facts and the truth there is overwhelming evidence of U.S. government complicity in 9/11. All you have to do is open your eyes and do the research. Or you can continue living in La La Land while our military invades other countries and more people get killed.

Dallas911truth
Dallas911truth

Diane,It is very evident that you have not researched the official NIST report.

And it is evident that you believe that Building 7's "pancaking floors" can fall as as fast as a bowling ball dropped from the same height.Drop any object right now.Anyone can do this experiment right now.  Drop an object.Can steel welded-bolted girders, framed floors and 81 thick steel columns with trusses and concrete and objects... all this give way at the exact same moment (in essence disappearing) so that this huge building the size of a football field falls straight down into its own footprint?  - Only a demolition can do that.

Embassy SuitesGo climb to the top of an 8 floor building, like an Embassy Suites.  Drop an object.There is no way all the floors of the entire Embassy Suites would come straight down, symmetrically and level, as fast as that object falls.

Diane, explain how free fall can occur through obstacles and resistance. 

Any resistance prevents a free fall acceleration from occurring.

Anyone with critical thinking skills willing to look at the documented facts and videos can recognize that this was a controlled demolition.

This 15 minute video by experts of all professions gives a great summary.http://rememberbuilding7.org/1...

The 5 minute version of the video is on PBS Spotlight.

Paul
Paul

No problem ... though isn't Halliburton run by the Club of Rome or the Trilateral Commission?

Cyndibrn
Cyndibrn

Diane,  your statement as to the buildings that  burned and burned, they certainly did not, they were left burning for something like 55 minutes for one and the other 110 minutes then came down, that is not left burning and burning, also the janitor heard and testified under oath to the Commission that he was down in sub basements when he heard an explosion from beneath him then a few seconds later from above, then a guy got off the elevator with his skin hanging off, from sub basement elevators. This has all been documented, the janitor William Rodriquez was deemed a hero for rescuing lots of people from the towers because he had the only keys to the stairwells, he sticks by his story of hearing explosions from below that is why he was never in the commission report. Also there is a picture of a woman waving trying to get rescued she is standing in the impact hole of I think the North Tower, holding on for dear life, there was no melting hot temps where she stood, the fire was already out, black smoke revealing smoldering fires deprived of oxygen. So I don't believe you when you say the towers were cooking from the inside to a degree that they just suddenly collasped, and the FDNY you talked to, it doesn't make sense, because if they knew the buildings were going to come down, why were so many of them trying to make their way up the buildings, one fireman was heard over the radio stating he was all the way up to the 78Th floor and could see the fires and stated that he could knock it out with two water hoses, tragically he did not make it out, so many trapped when the buildings came down. Also how many people did make it out using the stairwells, lots so if the stairwells were on fire how come they got out before the towers went down? There were also testimonies from firemen that stated that there was molten steel, like in a foundry, like lava, according to science jet fuel does not burn that hot.Jet fuel is a type of kerosene  Believe me i am not scared of the truth, (maybe you are) and wished I had never been exposed to evidence I cannot ignore without a conscious If I could ignore all the inconsistencies I could get my old world view back, but I don't believe the official story, they have been lying for a long time, and you are an educated woman, go back and learn some history about all the under handed things the CIA  and our govt has done for the supposed good of this country, you will be shocked. We are in endless wars, wars started because of lies, I really don't care what you think and you are not the authority on this subject just because you were down at ground zero.     

Diane Birdwell
Diane Birdwell

Have any of you ever been INSIDE Ground Zero? I was, believe it or not. I went there several times working on an educational project interviewing the FDNY, Port Authority, and NYPD. The access to the place I got was unbelievable. Nothing unique, though, as you could also see it on tv, month after month. But to be there in person, to feel it, see it, smell it.

The idea that we had so much thermite or other exotic (good word) materials defies logic. Again, they planned this how far in advance? They had how many people work on this? Then they had to time it just right when HUGE FREAKING PLANES hit the buildings?

Simple answers scare people. It makes them feel vulnerable.

Yes, JET FUEL, THOUSANDS OF GALLONS of it, CAN generate that much heat. YES, building materials can also --left burning, can WEAKEN steel. Guys, STEEL IS MADE BY HEATING IT, SO IT CAN BE DESTROYED THUSLY.

The jet fuel did NOT all burn on one or two floors on impact. It DID NOT STAY on the floors where the plane hit. Ask anyone from Tenhouse or two other firehouses who were the first on the scene. Ask them to tell you about the people running---naked with flesh hanging from them--because they were standing in front of the elevators--and when the doors were blown open, out came IGNITED JET FUEL. So, JET FUEL covered more than just a few floors, and the fires ignited ---burned and burned. On floors, in elevator shafts, in stairwells...

And the steel wasn;t all shipped to CHina. And how do you find explosive residues on a combined 210 floors of two buildings? Come on, this is real-life, not CSI NY.

You know what the FDNY guys told me? They were not surprised the towers fell. They were surprised they stayed up as long as they did. They were not surprised they compacted on the way down. They were surprised that other buildings, like Deutschebank and others, were not crushed-shifted  by the sheer outmotion of the final crush. Two detectives from Mid-Manahattan told me that as they drove up, a HUGE--and they meant HUGE piece of concrete--hit the ground and started towards them... The WTC fell DOWN, but things did come out the sides. From the top, etc...

Again, I will never convince these people of the fact that they are too scared to accept the fact that 19 men and a few in another country could do so much harm to us in one day. They did. It was investigated. It was discussed, analyzed. It has changed how the new WT 1 is being built. To say that it wasn;t taken seriously, or that punches were pulled, shows a clear lack of common sense.

Bad men do bad things. Sometimes, very well. Move on.

Jeremy Robinson
Jeremy Robinson

They're a non-profit NGO run by good samaritan angels determined to provide a buck fifty meal to the troops for under the billed price of just 11 dollars!

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