Robert Jeffress's Upcoming Sermon Series at First Baptist Does Not Sound Hilarious At All

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On the other side's freshly minted First Baptist Dallas trailer for Robert Jeffress's upcoming sermon series, "Twilight's Last Gleaming," which begins on September 11. Sounds like a blockbuster -- the thing's very Jerry Bruckheimer. Says the doom-saying voiceover: "Economic chaos, moral relativism, terrorist threats, global turmoil -- are we witnessing America's last days?" Long story short: Yes, yes we are. "America's collapse is inevitable." Dunh dunh dunh. Walk, do not run to the other side. Your very life may depend on it.

Are We Witnessing America's Last Days? from First Dallas on Vimeo.

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Bill in Dallas
Bill in Dallas

Pastor Jeffress says Mormons are a cult because members of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints (of whom I am one) do not believe in his exclusive brand of Christianity. Separate from his preposterous assumption about Mormons not being Christians, the implication is that we should not vote for those who belong to cults such as Jews, Catholics, Methodists, Hindus, Muslims or atheists. What an unfortunate black eye for the many good Baptists and evangelicals who should certainly not all be tarred with Jeffress' dirty brush. Each citizen in a pluralistic society should vote for men and women of integrity and competence who represent their values and will protect their freedoms whether it be Joe Lieberman, Jack Kennedy, Harry Reid, Barack Obama, Mit Romney or others. There is no room for religious bigotry on the political stage. 

DR
DR

It's interesting how may folks on this site readily equate the potential demise of America with "end times".  The 2 topics are not the same. 

Dr. Burlough
Dr. Burlough

where Christians will be required to live out their faith and possibly face persecution rather than sit comfortably on the sidelines while things around them are going downhill.--------------As our Muslim friends are experiencing now?

dugsterfresh
dugsterfresh

Finally, I'm gonna post a comment as someone who's attended FBC Dallas..........the only hate I've really seen are the nasty remarks directed towards the church and its leadership. Seriously, never seen it while attending service from staff or members alike. Building straw men and caricatures is an easy way of dismissing something or someone without taking the time to really find out the heart of the matter.  As one mentioned earlier in the thread, taking a stand to determine right or wrong (whether correct or not) is not the same thing as hatred. Mixing politics, Baptist culture and history, and a flair for the dramatic doesn't ring my bell, but I've had to admit that once you peel away the sometimes distasteful packaging, I have yet to find an instance where Jeffress has been anything other than level-headed and very closely aligned with the Bible. Not a fan of Fox news either, and cringe when they announce his appearances, but I'm really starting to believe he's committed to using these appearances as an opportunity to ignore the typical fox fare he's asked and redirect the conversation towards more spiritual issues. Wondering when they'll catch on and find a puppet. As far as the end, as someone else mentioned, not the end days and Jesus' return. I think the sermon series is referring to the slow change away from America's Christian heritage and underpinnings into a very different future where Christians will be required to live out their faith and possibly face persecution rather than sit comfortably on the sidelines while things around them are going downhill.

Chris Danger
Chris Danger

Dug, check any legitimate history books (i.e. nothing published by Bob Jones Press or A-Beka) and you'll find this country was founded by agnostics and people who questioned their faith. I always get tired of people who use the "America's Christian Heritage" angle to justify an argument..We all know Jeffers is a show boater who was brought into FBC to make more money for the "body", which is a sad state of affairs for any house of worship..

Edgar
Edgar

First, the fact that most of the founding fathers were agnostics or deists does not entail that America does not have a Christian heritage.  Of course it has a Christian heritage.  Second, I don't recall Dug using any reference to Christian heritage to justify any arguments.  The sermon appears to be about exploring how Christians can prepare themselves for an increasingly secular world...I don't see any use of Christian heritage to justify an argument there either.

DoubleOJoe
DoubleOJoe

That's my point, though.  What is America's heritage?  No one denies that the majority of people in America were, and still are, Christian.  That's a fact.  However, just because a majority believes something doesn't make it a mandate.  We're not required to be Christian any more than we're required to own a gun.  Yes, we are given the right to do so, but that doesn't make it a requirement.

I think the crux of the argument here is that many times members of a church such as FBC see changes in the world as an attack on their beliefs, when nothing could be further from the truth.  The rise in "secularism" doesn't mean they can't keep on believing what they want.  Faith isn't zero-sum.  Just because I don't believe something doesn't mean that they can't. 

Using the fear of change as a tactic to manipulate believers, which is the impression given by Jeffress, is a degrading way to behave.  That is what many of us see when we watch him speak. 

Edgar
Edgar

Um...  it really doesn't.  "Heritage" and "founding documents" are not synonymous.  There were certainly plenty of New Englanders with serious puritanical streaks who influenced culture at the revolution.  And if you also consider that "heritage" doesn't even mean "origins," you might also realize that there's been plenty of Christianity in this country between July 5,1776 and today...that's pretty friggin' undeniable.  Regardless, no one is suggesting that we base "our" religious preferences on heritage.  You plucked that one out of the thin air in left field...don't see how that has any relationship to the subject of how Christians can prepare themselves for an increasingly secular world.

DoubleOJoe
DoubleOJoe

"First, the fact that most of the founding fathers were agnostics or deists does not entail that America does not have a Christian heritage"

Um...  it kind of does.  The language used in the Declaration does have spiritual overtones, yes:  "sacred honor" and "divine providence" quite definitely fit the bill.  But nowhere in any of our founding documents is there a reference to Jesus Christ. 

Anyway, if we're going to base our religious preferences on America's heritage, doesn't that mean we should all be worshiping Native American gods?  I mean, if you want to talk heritage, they sure go back a lot further than those johnny-come-latelys at Plymouth Rock.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

" I think the sermon series is referring to the slow change away from America's Christian heritage and underpinnings into a very different future where Christians will be required to live out their faith and possibly face persecution rather than sit comfortably on the sidelines while things around them are going downhill."

I accidentally clicked Like. That's not a real Like.If there is any one thing about Christians that whittle away at any credibility they might have, its their obnoxious persecution complex. In a country in which a presidential candidate doesn't stand a chance unless he practically wears his Christian faith on his sleeve, poor widdle Christians are constantly shivering about the possibility that they'll soon be facing down firing squads and jail sentences for believing in Jesus. Christians, more than anyone else, are serious emotional basket cases.

GBC
GBC

Once again, people who don't know the first thing about what they are talking about make these kind of comments.  Christians don't believe they are going to be lined up in a firing squad (antime soon)  but they do believe that the day has come where censored speech is being encouraged and discussed.  Just look at the hate in these posts, a day may come where a preacher cannot stand in front of a church and preach what the outside world considers "hate" without fear of being shut down or arrested.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

"The bible however, is inerrant."

Then I guess all we need to know is which of the many translations and interpretations of the inerrant bible is the correct one? Jehovah's Witnesses? Catholics? Seventh Day Adventists?  Mormons? 

Ben L
Ben L

Tad, Christians believe what is in the Bible. The bible tells us that things are going to get worse. There indeed are Christians prosecuted / killed / arrested for being Christians in the world. If you want to know more, you can go to Voice of the Martyrs website and see what's going on in other countries. I agree with you on that large scale prosecution has not happened in America. However, if you look at more subtle kind of rejection of Christians, it has long started in America. The ousting of the bible of the public school and the introduction of non-biblical values. I also agree that this may be considered "disagreements" (using your term). Whether large scale prosecution will happen to US or not, we are not sure (since the bible didn't explicitly say US christians would be prosecuted in this way ... ) but it is likely because the bible says this is the general trend / description of an increasing fallen world. People will reject / prosecute and kill those upholding the truth and embrace their own sins. I would end by saying, as a Christian myself, I surely don't want to see this happen. The bible however, is inerrant.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

Sure, you keep on believing that, Persecution Boy. I think its amusing that you say I dont know the first thing about what I'm talking about, then go on to confirm everything I just said. You are in NO danger of persecution. NO ONE is or ever has tried to shut anyone down or arrest them for being a Christian or saying Christian things. IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD. There is a world of difference between disagreement, even hostility and belittling, and actual persecution with arrests and such. Get over yourselves already.

Mister_Mean
Mister_Mean

I thought that he just got convicted and sentenced to life in prison in Abilene?

Darryl
Darryl

This guy is a mess. I love the voiceover, so deep and dark. And when is Cal Thomas a ringing endorsement? And when did God become exclusive to America?

Chris Danger
Chris Danger

I miss the days of Rev. Ike and Gene Scott, at least those two had the balls to come right out and ask you for your money, not to mention they were both pretty damn entertaining to boot. I think thats the main issue w/ jeffers, he takes himself way too seriously. Heres hoping the FBD JesusDome and Conversion Center keep the pews full post-rapture/alien attack...

Montemalone
Montemalone

Then you can't forget Brother Bob "Pardon Me For Farting" Tilton.

Edgar
Edgar

Pretty much.  Use the trailer to judge whether to see the movie, but don't judge the movie by the trailer.

Coleman
Coleman

I don't have to watch Twilight to know it's garbage.

Lolotehe
Lolotehe

It's the basic rules of marketing:

1. create a need2. offer product3. create urgency <----the world could end at any time!4. describe consequences of not using product5. describe how product will improve the situation

Ben L
Ben L

mmm.. The bible existed long before the marketing rules. The bible tells of the need of all peoples and the issues with their sins and God's provision of personal saviour as a solution. This has existed for a long time. The book of Romans in the bible used this framework as its arguments. If it is a real need that we are having and a real urgency we have in dealing with it, then we should think about it. If you look at the message as a product, then right it is all marketing. If you look at it as something concerning our eternal future, it would be live-saving. If you imply Jefferess is trying to make a profit by his marketing, (which I am not very sure whether you imply that), I can say that Jeffress can do a lot other things other than being a pastor to bring him big profits. Being a pastor is extremely hard and laborious and painful (because it is people that a pastor would deal with day to day). It is definitely not a hot job for any one wanting to earn big bucks.

Jack E. Jett
Jack E. Jett

He is a marketing genius who will end up running for political office in between Fox News gigs.I'd love to know how much his checking account has increased since his first foray into gay bashing.  I wonder if it is worth the havoc he creates in the minds of gay and lesbian teens.

brett
brett

man, if it's the end of times, First Baptist Dallas really picked a shitty time to build a brand new building....

Casual Observer
Casual Observer

Just another example of the wacko's that walk our streets. 

Bill Holston
Bill Holston

"Economic chaos, moral relativism, terrorist threats, global turmoil -" Yep, described the time of St. Augustine well. This inspired him to write City of God. All of these teachers who presume to teach about the so called end times are always on shaky ground. Dr. Jeffress is not an uneducated bumpkin. I would not presume to suggest his motives. But. Jesus was very clear about the idea that no man knows when the world will end. And the Bible had nothing to say about a pluralistic republican form of government.

As far as America's twilight. It is true we have lots of things that are contrary to the teaching of the Bible. Our lack of care for mentally ill, our failure to adequately address hunger and the disparity of our legal systems for poor people are among them.

I think the Bible actually has much guidance towards a more just world, something that some of you would reject, but these ideas drive me much more towards how I treat my wife, my neighbors, and yes some of the people I really disagree with.

I aspire to live by the words of the prophet Micah who: 8 He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.  And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy   and to walk humbly with your God.

That's a tall enough order for me. .....

jharris214
jharris214

How do you pay for a gleaming new church?  End-times sermons!  Next week will be Gold investment sermons.

GBC
GBC

Not end times sermon, boy it would seem to me if you people take the time to post you would at least watch the video.

Montemalone
Montemalone

Pat Robertson been doin' those on the teevee for years.

Grumpy Demo
Grumpy Demo

Southern Babtist always know what they're talking about, after all it only took them 150 years to determine that the enslavement of African Americans was wrong. http://www.sbc.net/resolutions...

Based that track record it means that sometime around 2076 they're gonna decade that woman deserve equal rights and around 2161 Gays aren't evil.

Can't wait.

John Finley
John Finley

Jeffress is starting to remind me of Jim Jones. I am a Christian. I grew up on a farm and saw lots of manure. Being loaded onto trucks, being spread around, etc. However, I haven't see it wrapped up in quite nice of a package before. Congrats are in order to Jeffress for his gift wrapped manure.

Dr. Burlough
Dr. Burlough

Didn't we just go through a 'world gonna end come Saturday' with some snake-chunkin' preacher?

GBC
GBC

Once again you did not watch the video, not about "end times."

SteveT
SteveT

He might be right on his general point, but not because of the factors he's listing.  Instead, it will be because of not using our great natural resources judiciously and treating the earth like it's our playground and trash dump, instead of our spaceship.

GBC
GBC

Well obviously none of the people on this post believe in the Bible so these comments don't mean anything to begin with.  If you are the radom person that is a christian you might want to follow this series.  Dr. Jeffress is a giant in the christian community and a brilliant biblical scholar.

scottindallas
scottindallas

I suppose the Biblical quotes that no man with know the day or hour are "satanic verses?"

Rangers100
Rangers100

Did he tell you that? Because he really isn't considered.that at all.

Giants don't spend their time on Fox News and running comical websites like GrinchAlert.com.

Jeffress is a clown.

Edgar
Edgar

Good luck getting any traction in this forum.  Like every other commenter here, I haven't heard Mr. Jeffress's sermons.  It's well within Mr. Jeffress rights, and even his job description, to condemn what he believes the Bible condemns.  If he goes further than that and actually hates those whose actions he condemns, he surely violates the most basic of Biblical principles.  I think and I hope that he doesn't and that Grumpy Demo is wrong in that regard.  I personally think Mr. Jeffress errs in marketing these polemic sermons to a hostile public; doing so may do little more than invite mockery, as the comments to this post evidence.  But maybe some will decide not to be repelled and will listen to the content, rather than the teaser, and if that's the case, he can thank Big Bob for getting the good word out.

GBC
GBC

Of course I know that "traction" is not somthing you get with a secular hostile world.  The funniest part is Dr. Jeffress is not talking about "end times" like all these uninformed people that didn't even watch the video are spouting about.  He is talking about the demise of America; folks this has already started and doesn't take somebody with the foresight of Dr. Jeffress to see that!  Jeffress would not begin to predict end times the bible does not so we cannot. 

GBC
GBC

Couldn't agree more.  However, that does not change the truth of the content.

guest
guest

But why the emphasis on the fall of morality and not the fall of the Church.  Read David Platt's book, Radical.  Why does the church continue to lavish itself in luxurious temple building rather than follow the Great Commission.  Wasn't the new building like $23 million and then they raised like $5,000 for relief in Haiti? If the Bible calls Christians like to go into all the world, why the greed?  Do we spend more money putting coffee shops in our churches rather than feeding the hungry? Read Mark 10 - what did Jesus tell the rich, young ruler.  Maybe America is failing because the church looks more like the Pharisees of Jesus's day rather than taking the mantle of what God called them to do.  Jesus ate with sinners and condemned the religious. 

Coleman
Coleman

Actually, I was dragged to FBC as a child while Jeffress was in Wichita Falls. You know, when he was refusing to return books to the library because he objected to the content. Jeffress knows exactly who he's marketing...the one that will garner him more attention.

Edgar
Edgar

If this is about garnering more attention for himself, then even he ought to believe he should be fogiven for that.  If he's drumming up interest in a message that is not about his own glory, then we can complain about bad taste but not conviction.  Like Bill Holston, I don't presume to know his intentions.  I don't think any snap judgment of his intentions based on a two-minute teaser is justified.

Grumpy Demo
Grumpy Demo

Actually, several of us are quite knowledgeable about the Bible.

There's that unpleasant fact that the Bible doesn't teach you to hate Gays, Blacks, women, Liberals,  Muslims, and abortion is never mentioned anywhere." Dr. Jeffress is a giant in the christian community and a brilliant biblical scholar." Sorry, not in the real world, here he's just another poorly educated yahoo bigot that like Dr. Criswell will be on the wrong side of modern Christian thought and human rights for the next several decades.

A real Christian defines him or her self by who they love, unlike Jeffress who believe it's who you hate that make you a Christian.

Only until you decide to follow Christ's teaching that woman are full and equal participants in the Big Guy's Grace (like Sarah, Deborah, Ruth, Martha,  Mary Magdalene, the Samartian woman at the well) and only then you might have a valid opinion.

Until then Happy Hating!

GBC
GBC

See, this is what I love about people like this that have no idea what Dr. Jeffress preaches, I am sure by these comments that he has never heard ANY of his sermons.  He preaches over and over hate the sin love the sinner.  He makes judgements just like all of us but he does not "judge" the person that is left up to the lord.  I see nothing wrong with making a "judgement" about what is right or wrong, however, not up to me to "judge".

G_David
G_David

Yes, and color can also be spelled colour.  But it makes you look like a dumbass if you do and don't have a British accent.  Then again, the content of your posts, not your grammar, is what makes you truly stand out as such.

GBC
GBC

Here again a bunch of idiots here, judgement can be spelled either way, LOOK IT UP!

Montemalone
Montemalone

They weren't beatin' bibles and saying god made'm do it.

Edgar
Edgar

The hooligans who looted and plundered all over England for no apparent reason a couple weeks ago were sensible?

Montemalone
Montemalone

Cause the Brits have more sense than that.

Edgar
Edgar

How do you know he/she is not British?

Montemalone
Montemalone

OK.I'm not gonna judge you by saying you're an empty headed hatemonger, I'll just judge the ridiculous words you typed.

G_David
G_David

And how do you feel about one day spelling the word "judgment" correctly?  

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

That's what Pervert Of The Century Warren Jeffs followers say about him, too.

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