Will City Plan Commission OK Greenville Ave. Bowling Alley? We'll Find Out Thursday. Maybe.

Go Brook...fat lesbian elvis wanna-be.  Do this thing!!!  I support you and all you cronies.

Been going out on Greenville since the late 70s and live in the area. I say "approve".

You know, I live in the apartments across the street from here.  My fiance is a business owner on the street.  He's one of the few that I would say doesn't contribute to the problem we have on Lowest Greenville.  I think if this concept is well done, it will HELP the area.  Right now all we really have over there at night are the thuggy bars, with a few restaurants that opened fairly recently.  If we could replace these bars that are causing all the problems with businesses that provide entertainment without all the trouble, Lowest Greenville would become the kind of area we all want it to be.  We could hang out here, without dealing with all the nasty drunks coming from bars that don't seem to understand how to cut people off.  We are short in parking, I will admit.  But right here where this business is looking to go is surrounded by new developments, and the people who live there should know what they were getting into when they choose to live here.  I certainly did when I moved here.I admit though, the concept could be implemented in a way that will do exactly what we are trying to get out of the neighborhood.  But no one knows until it happens.  I think we should let them try.  With all the construction on the street right now, if it's a badly done bar it won't last long enough to really worry about anyway.

The condition of this property is deplorable.  You should smell it on the inside, it's beyond nasty.

Look everything surrounding it, landscaped, fluffed, manicured, good looking, not just a bunch of suburban crap.  The neighborhood, in other words, is BRINGING IT.  We invest and bring it.

If these property owners wanted to earn one shred of trust, that place would be landscaped within an inch of its life, beautifully painted and detailed, and the entire area spotless.  What kind of investment would that simple cosmetic lift require?  Damn near nothing. 

Look at their godawful ugly parking lots.  Blight.  Filth.  Then turn and look at the effort the neighborhood makes.  Pretty.  Trees.  Then turn and look at the godawful ugly parking lots.  Broken glass.  A chick's shirt.  Some barf.

What would it cost to plant a few trees?  What would it cost to make everything beautiful?  Not suburban, not mainstream.  Just some form of demonstrating any level of stewardship to the community.  What kind of transformation would that make?  What kind of trust might that engender?

These are the people who brought you The Regal Beagle, The Beagle, The other Beagle that was supposed to have a Chef named Cinnamon, The Beagle that was named Lucky's Roadhouse, the Lesbian Beagle, and the imaginary concert Beagle.  And it has never been anything but the fucking Beagle, becuase it's a hellhole and it needs to be scraped, not thrown a lifeline.

now, if only it would be a bar, bowling alley, and concert venue (like the bronco bowl I never got to go to). That would make a worthy trip to lowest greenville.

There needs to be a city-owned parking garage on Greenville and people also need to realize that this is a city -- not the suburbs.  Every business is NOT going to have its own dedicated parking lot.  So what if people park in front of your house to go to bars?  Don't move close to bars.  And allow for parking elsewhere. 

Looks like a good idea to me.  I'm a big fan of bars "dolled up" as bowling alleys.  What, pray tell, would the neighbors like to see in that space?  A Chili's? 

As a former lowest Greenville neighbor, I've seen this neighbor vs. bar teeth-nashing for 10+ years.  But to me, here's the catch: this is surrounded by NEW condos. For all his faults, Avi's old gripe that this scene was foisted on old residents doesn't work here.  These yuppies who buy 400K townhouses 500 feet from Greenville don't really get to talk out of both sides of their mouths, do they?!?

i'd rather have this WITH a rooftop bar opened til 1am instead of another ghettothug banger club that seem prevalent across the street. People down there need to realize their neighborhood is an entertainment district and learn to cope w/ as such. Ive been to the High Ball in austin and that place is amazing for a fun evening out, so heres hoping they open sooner than later!!

Also, why not copy the concept down in Ellum, as the old Deep Ellum Brewing Co. is still there rotting and could use a serious boost as well.

My only problem is that we as a neighborhood are asking to take a leap of faith.  Unlike some of the other SUP's, who are existing establishments, this is just a concept.

If the concept is what they propose, I for one welcome it and wish them good luck. 

Both sides made great points at the meeting two weeks ago.  The biggest issue for me and many of the commission members is the unanswered questions.  The developer needs to solidify some of the details (i.e. square footage of bowling lanes versus bar, capacity) in writing in order to make it viable.  There were too many abouts in the proposal.

If we compare it to other businesses which were requesting SUP's, they had evidence of their business operations and compliance, a concept needs to be a lot more concrete if they require the same consideration and neighborhood respect.

There's an awesome place in an old strip mall in Austin called the High Ball.  I believe it's only six or eight lanes, has a bar and restaurant and karoake rooms upstairs. 

If this is anywhere near as cool as that place, it would be a great addition to Greenville Avenue.  That may be immensely wishful thinking though. 

The CPC staff is actually a bunch of potted evergreen landscaping materials wearing suits. Do they really believe a bunch of uncared for trees will block any noise???

What happens when the trees die? Will the CPC staff plant new ones? I doubt the budget cuts would let them.

The bowling alley in a bar concept is a dumb idea, and using potted plants to block noise is event dumber. But, hey, this IS our City Hall at work.