One Dallas Religious Leader Didn't Take Too Kindly to The News's Robert Jeffress Profile

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Over the weekend, The Dallas Morning News blessed us with a pay-walled profile of First Baptist Dallas's Robert Jeffress, no stranger to the Friends of Unfair Park. And while briefly touching upon some of the pastor's more, oh, let's say controversial offerings in recent years, for the most part Scott Parks's profile was light and bright and in keeping with its thesis that "he swings a sharp sword as the city's leading conservative culture warrior."

That didn't sit well with at least one local religious leader: Rev. Terry L. Zimmerman, the pastor at Midway Hills Christian Church on Midway and Royal, which bills itself as "an open and affirming congregation" welcome to all comers. I was going to call Zimmerman about the sign out in front of his church, which my wife espied this morning, but discovered I didn't need to. I found on his blog an open letter to the editors of The News, in which he writes:
If the intent was to celebrate the fact that a huge Dallas congregation owes its success to intolerance of those who are unlike them or see the world differently, I am appalled, frustrated and more than a little upset. If the intent is one of irony -- an illustration of cause and effect of such judgments when literally placed side by side another article about the results of such a world view -- I am more sympathetic. But I also fear, if irony is the intent, most people didn't and won't get it.
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Diane Birdwell
Diane Birdwell

Hey First Baptist--When you die, and we all will, you will be surprised to see who gets into heaven--we all do. Yep, we all do. We join in the Spirit, work out our shortcomings and recognize that God is forgiving and merciful.

Lucky for you that God is full of mercy, because you all will really need that with all the hate your church spreads. Repent now, and change your church into one that actually teaches that GOD IS LOVE, not God loves some of ya.

trannyntraining
trannyntraining

Yeah, he got a sign alright! A sign in the form of moola!

Back-Sliding Baptist
Back-Sliding Baptist

The Bible aslso talks about taking care of the poor and the needy.  I guess Rick Perry and his fellow Repubulicansd forgot about that section. 

scottindallas
scottindallas

That wine cup with the sloping Cross is TCU's "Disciples of Christ" they are very analogous to Methodists and Episcopal churches, which have long supported the idea that Homosexuality is not a choice, hence can't be a sin.  Lutherans, and Presbyterians are close to this same perspective.  The Baptists are a small, insular subset of Christians.

Compopp2000
Compopp2000

To me it all boils down to this...do you believe the Bible to be the final rule of Christian faith and practice or not? Seems simple enough , like kind of a sheep and goat/wheat and tare thing. If you actually read the thing Jesus clearly says that following Him will cost you a LOT of popularity. Hummm....narrow way vs. broad way , rings a bell.

Dallas Diner
Dallas Diner

From "Why Can't I Own A Canadian."

Dear Dr. Laura:Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

scottindallas
scottindallas

There is not one message to take from the Bible, you obviously haven't read it closely, lest you would realize that Jesus never advocates for the Trinity--an utter blasphemous heresy.  Seems like one who was guiding your reading might not tell you there are meanings for which there is not one iota of support.  Remember, the Jewish tradition utterly rejects the trinity.  So, where does Jesus explain, that while it seems heretical, that he IS God, and that we should worship him--Something Jesus NEVER says.  But, then again, if you followed Jesus, you wouldn't eat pork either.  One last thing, the Bible (in Revelations) tells us that many many Christians are wrong, misled.  Perhaps making a golden calf of Israel, celebrating the murder of children (wars/colonialism), turning Jesus's teachings into a blasphemy, constitutes a condemnable trifecta that the Bible warns us about.

J. Erik Jonsson
J. Erik Jonsson

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

Mark 7:19 "Food doesn't go into your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then goes into the sewer." (By saying this, he declared that every kind of food is acceptable in God's eyes.)

scottindallas
scottindallas

yeah, that's such a clear and unmistakable answer, you're right.  Screw the first commandment, you've utterly destroyed all those concerns about utter blasphemy and breaching the dietary laws practiced by the very audience.  I forgot about those irrefutable rebuttals against the "Law."

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."Ah, the real message of Jesus. Not that Jesus himself should be worshipped, of course, but that he, you, me, and scottindallas  are ALL one with God. Jesus's message above all else was that we don't need anyone between ourselves and God, we can talk to him directly, we have a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP. This was radical at the time, when once a week someone new was claiming to be God's personal spokesman and intermediary. So what did everyone immediately do when they got this wonderful new message of a relationship directly with God and no middlemen? They declared Jesus-- the messenger-- to be the worshippee, the middleman!, and completely misinterpreted everything he said about our relationship with God! 

Jesus would be shaking his head in amusement right now, if he wasn't dead for a couple thousand years.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

"do you believe the Bible to be the final rule of Christian faith and practice or not? Seems simple enough..."

Whose interpretation of the bible are we talking about? 

Back-Sliding Baptist
Back-Sliding Baptist

Obviously it's Compoop2000's views.  I don't recall ever hearing about that concept ever before in my entire almost 70 years of being a church goer.

Nunya
Nunya

It's about time another chuch had the cojones to speak out against Jeffress. More should follow.

Oak Cliff Townie
Oak Cliff Townie

Baptist Hymnal Songs.

Jesus Loves me more than you I'm Southern Baptist you're NOT.When the Roll is called up yonder I don't expect your name to be on the list.Just as I am as long as I am not like you.Jesus Loves the little Children and you know who you are .

Bob
Bob

As a non-Christian, I must ask who is closer to the Jesus who is portrayed in the New Testament:  Jeffress or Zimmermann?

Compopp2000
Compopp2000

Like you would know.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

"Like you would know".

Would you? If so, how about an answer, with the appropriate logical justification. If you don't know, then how do you he don't know?

scottindallas
scottindallas

if you read your New Testament, Jesus is pretty clear that we should love our neighbor regardless of tribe, nation or faith.  What's funny is that those critical of faith seem to better understand the parable of the Good Samaritan, while Mr Jefferies seems to relish division, animosity and thinly restrained hate.  Actually, we know Jesus reacted VIOLENTLY in the face of people who sewed the seeds of enmity. 

Mister_Mean
Mister_Mean

Hey Jeffress-don't ya know that they have psycho medications for people who have delusions like you do?  Perhaps a lobotomy would do the tirck!

Compopp2000
Compopp2000

Your handle is perfectly named...Mr. Mean. Can't you see that your intolerance is just the same on the other side? Hypocrite.

scottindallas
scottindallas

There is a difference.  Mr Mean is not the head of a group of meanies.  Mr Mean doesn't pretend to cloak himself in the "loving" message of God.  Mr Mean isn't representing an institution.

Montemalone
Montemalone

I've never thought of donating to a religious institution, but all of a sudden, Midway Hills is looking like a good place to put my money.

John_McKee
John_McKee

I think the DMN deserves some credit here, they know who is outrageously overpaying for their terrible content in poorly designed and implemented media, both on print and online. It's the perfect demographic, they won't change their backwards ideas on all levels and it is getting cheaper and cheaper to fulfill them in print media.

It's the ethos of conservatives, short term solutions to everything. The big bill is coming due shortly and like any chronic ignored problem you are really, really not going to like paying it, socially or financially, enjoy it while it lasts I guess, you guys don't seem to have any problems so far with the suffering you have caused society out of greed and discrimination.

Back-Sliding Baptist
Back-Sliding Baptist

The guy is an absolute wack job.  How can he think and say what he does and still refer to himself as a Christian?

Doug in DFW
Doug in DFW

Wow - I already knew Jeffress was an a-hole & it didn't cost me anything but some brain cells.IMHO this was DMN unintentional irony so maybe someone can remind UF denizens when the last time DMN was intentionally ironic.  Surely Robbie Van Winkle or Jerry Jones was involved?

harveylacey
harveylacey

Am I the only one who wonders why all those children had to die during Noah's Flood.

Kevin Kirby
Kevin Kirby

Don't worry about it. It's only a fable.

Edgar
Edgar

I know punctuality is a virtue an all, but they're extremely precise about the start time of their service.

G_David
G_David

Many churches do that, assuming correctly that a lot of folks will be running 10 (or in this case, 11) minutes late.

Jay Hawk
Jay Hawk

Amen, Rev. Zimmerman. Amen.

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