Let's Cut the (Dog) Crap and Deal With the Real Problem Plaguing Main Street Garden

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Tuesday night, I was on the phone with Park and Rec second-in-command Willis Winters, who happened to be standing near the Lily Pad in Main Street Garden. Mid-sentence, he stopped talking, said, "Excuse me," then said, rather loudly to someone standing near him: "Are you going to pick that up?"

Ah, yes. You wanna talk about problems at Main Street Garden, let's talk about people who let their dogs crap in the park without picking up after 'em. Winters explained: The man who let his dog unload didn't have a bag on him and was walking away when the city official stopped him mid-stride. I could hear the dude's stammer loud and clear over the receiver: "Um ... yeah ... sure." Winters kept an eye on him just to make sure.

Then, last night, Channel 4 ran a piece about how the city's stepping up efforts to enforce poop-scooping in the park and elsewhere by doling out a $144 fine to those who don't pick up or even have a bag on 'em. City Manager Mary Suhm tells Unfair Park this morning that, sure enough, for the next couple of weeks, at least, "We're gonna go keep an eye on it." Code compliance isn't necessarily "stepping up any kind of a program," she says, "but we do that kind of enforcement if we get complaints. We don't have a 'poop patrol,' necessarily, but if a park -- any park -- were to call and say we're having a problem, we'd make a sweep."

As for that other issue at Main Street Garden, Suhm's on top of that too: "The homeless problem is going to be challenging, and talking to people about it is on my list this morning," she says. "But the question is: We can talk to people who are breaking laws, but how do you do it when they're not?"


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PooPrints is the answer!
PooPrints is the answer!

Call DFW Concierge Services they are the franchise owner of PooPrints stop talking about it and do something. The program they offer is part of the World Pet Registry. You can make the DNA testing part of the normal yearly pet registration for pets animals in the city limits espically in more congested areas like downtown. Look at other cities that are growing like Dallas technology is our friend us it.

LaceyB
LaceyB

How did my mini-beagle get on Dallas's shit list? Do they not have bigger issues to handle? I'll make sure he doesn't #2 in your prayer garden, if you provide a yard/pickup service option, like they have in the suburbs.I probably woulda picked up, then thrown it at that guy on my way back. Who is he? DAWG--the poopie popo?

Arthur Alford
Arthur Alford

Let's combine the two problems-pay the homeless to scoop up dog poo. Simple, no?

Ben
Ben

If the city is going to start strictly enforcing dog poop, why not make every person who leaves The Bridge strap on a Depends? Seems rather silly to fill them up with free food and beverages only to have them drop it out their rear end halfway to the liquor store.

To be serious though, you will drive alot of potential lease renewing Downtown dog owning tenants out of the CBD. Keep it up. Drive the normal people out.

Grumpy Demo
Grumpy Demo

Given the City's successful management of the Main Street Park, I just know the new Convention Hotel is gonna be awesome.

GusMitchem
GusMitchem

Dog people are worse than actual breeders. Somehow this society has allowed the placement of all kinds of human emotions on animals, the kids that started petco and petsmart saw this coming years ago when actual breeding slowed down. Its rediculious

Dog is a dog, its not Wilfred

The Derelict
The Derelict

it's not that hard....clean up after your filthy, mangy animal.

Guest (but not Bob's Dad)
Guest (but not Bob's Dad)

I haven't been to MSG but does the park have dog poop bags on site.  I know it is the owner's responsibility to carry a bag, but it seems like places that have bags on site seem to have a higher compliance rate.  It's bad to not pick up dog poop but it is twice as bad to not do it at a public place.

Oak Cliff Townie
Oak Cliff Townie

Forget the Dogs.What about the Port A Pot smelling Wino's that leave their lasting Stench on the Benches  ?

 

DWNTN Res
DWNTN Res

One suggestion that has been suggested and ignored is synthetic grass. In California you find it everywhere, baseball fields, the san diego zoo, animal hospitals, animal humane shelters etc. It always stays green, no water and dog (or homeless) urine goes straight through. Is people were to get on board with scooping their poop then the grass would only need an occasional "washing". 

Check it out  http://www.easyturf.com/synthe...

DISD Teacher
DISD Teacher

I think the underlying problem is the refusal of city leaders to take care of what we already have.

Whether it's beautiful, old brick schools or libraries or shady parks, our city leaders sell out citizens for unnecessarily shiny "designer" bridges and other big ideas that flop.

We need round-the-clock policing of the parks and downtown dog owners until a culture of high standards takes root, attracts growth, and is firmly established.

The money is there, but the city leaders are spending it on pet projects.It's the equivalent of buying an expensive tree, paying a high price to have it planted, and then deciding not to water it to save money.

NotTheSuburbs
NotTheSuburbs

That's the only fertilizer that grass ever gets.  Beautiful landscaping all around the perimeter of the park then in the middle is the worst looking grass I have ever seen in a park.

Courtney Helms
Courtney Helms

You know where the poop problem is even worse than MSG?  The Main St. sidewalk in front of the Merc.  I have never seen so much dog poop on the sidewalks before.  I have very little respect for residents of the Merc now.  Oh, and I also see many of them letting their dogs urinate on the sidewalks, which is also ridiculous and disrespectful to other residents.

HolySheets
HolySheets

robertcan you check on how many times it has been enforced since the law started?im willing to bet not that many and mostly same day tickets.

also, how can they charge $114 when its states in the dallas ord.?(1)     $50 for a first conviction of a violation of Section 7-2.6(f), 7-2.7(d), 7-3.1, 7-4.2(a), 7-4.5, 7-4.6, 7-4.8, 7-7.2, or 7-7.4(a).

greg
greg

sorry...meant to reply to Lacey B.  The mini-beagle can stay.  YOU go back to the suburbs.  Someone can take care of him properly if you cannot.

md
md

He's not on their shit list. His trashy owner is.

md
md

Dog poop everywhere will drive potential lease renewing tenants out of the CBD.

Used to be "normal people" were responsible dog owners.

Now they grow up getting a blue ribbon for accomplishing nothing and thinking they're too good to pick up after their dog.

Ellum08
Ellum08

The City will not manage the hotel, they will just own it. Much like the AAC, which hasn't turned out so bad, now has it?

md
md

1) Put up bag dispensers2) Put up signs instructing people to use them3) Begin fining people who don't4) Use the revenue to purchase bags, etc,

RTGolden
RTGolden

I agree with cp.  On the plus side, the bag dispensers would be invaluable to the homeless.  They could keep their feet dry in wet weather, stuff them with grasses, leaves and trash to make pillows, the possibilities are endless...

cp
cp

No they don't. Check out the Mockingbird Point do park- there's dog poo all over the place and they have about 10 bag dispensers. I was there yesterday and observed a couple who watched their dog poop and just decided to leave instead of pick it up after I mentioned it to them. People are just assholes, no matter where they are.

Downtown Resident
Downtown Resident

We've go enough concrete with all the buildings, natural grass should stay.

Ellum08
Ellum08

Ah, but DISD, no one wants to attend a star studded gala for parks or potholes. Not to say there aren't plenty of worthy causes to give money to, but until the rich folk start thinking (and giving) to deal with these types of 'quality of life' issues, then we are at the mercy of Queen Mary and the Council to dole out the dough as they see fit.

Personally, I think we should stop all building and re-program previous bond money to take care of what is already built. Does every neighborhood really need a dog park or a library? 

Ellum08
Ellum08

It looks like crap because people actually use it. For kickball games, boot camps and even when they hold concerts and movie nights. Add on the fact that it hasn't rained much this year and yeah, it'll look pretty bad.

ReverendVelvet
ReverendVelvet

I lived in the Merc for a year and almost on a daily basis someones dog would shit or piss on the elevator or in the lobby area only to be cleaned up not by the owner but the maintenance staff. The dog had to go so bad it couldn't wait for the sidewalk or MSG.

The ground covering across the street at the Comerica Building reeked of dog feces smell and "landscaped" areas of Pegasus Park at Akard and Main were ten time worse.

There are a lot of irresponsible dog owners in downtown, mainly for owning a dog and living downtown ...

super_tigre
super_tigre

The sidewalk in front of Mosaic is pretty bad as well.

Anonymous
Anonymous

why is letting dogs pee on the sidewalk bad? that's a serious question. are they supposed to make them pee in the busy street?

G_David
G_David

Actually, it's $144 according to the story.

RTGolden
RTGolden

maybe the city is combining offenses: under the umbrella of unreclaimed canine offal:

1. Littering2. Public nuisance (especially if you happen to step in it)3. Public endangerment (poop attracts flies, a known disease vector)

However, all offenses will be Suhm-marily forgiven if you pony up the bucks to place a Calatrava-designed arch over the poo to warn others of it's presence.

LaceyB
LaceyB

Me and mine are solid. But your bitch should muzzle you for being so nasty.

greg
greg

Go back to the suburbs.  The dog can stay.

Anonymous
Anonymous

It looks and operates well, but how is the city's return on investment looking? I'd suspect it's low.

cp
cp

The fake grass he's talking about is permeable; concrete is not.

Downtown Resident
Downtown Resident

Dallas may turn into a world class city after all, we're becoming like Paris.

ReverendVelvet
ReverendVelvet

Does the term "curb your dog" sound familiar. There are signs all over most major cities reminding owners it's not cool to let your dog shit or piss on the sidewalk.

Loosely, it also means take your dog to the curb to allow them crap or piss.

Downtown Resident
Downtown Resident

It's not the end of the world when the dogs take a leak like that, it happens (crapping on the sidewalk is totally different story, pick it up assholes), But your dog won't have a problem holding it until MSG if you: 1. walk them frequently enough where it's not an emergency situation 2. keep them walking until you get to the MSG.

Abc
Abc

You have to even ask why is that bad?

What a DEAL!
What a DEAL!

Considering the city's ownership of an asset valued over $350.0m, which cost the city $125.0m (as the venue costs above the city's investment was paid for by the teams) is not a bad ROI.  Futher, when you lay into the equation that the city's debt ($125.0m) will be totally paid for by the end of this year by two taxes (a portion of hotel tax and car rental tax - both of which we sunset when the city's $125.0m debt is paid)   Again, not a bad investment for the city.  Not considering the AAC is home to two of the City of Dallas major league francises - Dallas Stars and Dallas Mavericks - both of whom have achieved national championships during their tenure in the City of Dallas - not Arlington................I'd say all in all not a bad deal afterall.

G_David
G_David

Yes, because I don't really want to see a bunch dead grass in a downtown park, I've got a "serious hard-on" for fake grass.  How eloquent of you.  Typical downtown doucher.

Downtown Resident
Downtown Resident

You've got a serious hard-on for fake grass huh? 

You know what they call large expanses of open space with synthetic surfaces? Parking lots.

G_David
G_David

By all means, let's demand natural grass.  Don't worry whether we can afford to keep it watered and fertilized and alive.  It may be dead and look like shit, but hey, it's natural!

Downtown Resident
Downtown Resident

It's not about permeability, it just about having something in Dallas that is natural as opposed to man made. 

md
md

I don't want Dallas to become "world-class" if it means "having such high taxes" AND "dog poop everywhere." If you don't want to pick up after your dog, don't get one.

cp
cp

And Perpignon and Carcasone and Colluire, and every city in between. When I was in France with two-ex she lamented the dog poop everywhere. I pointed at a guy across the street with a broom, sweeping up all the crap and said that's why they don't have a problem with having such high taxes. So yeah, it sounds like we are becoming wold-class, like in France, we just need a poop patrol.

Branden Helms
Branden Helms

Only the water evaporates. The ammonia and other waste products of the dogs system stays, creating a terrible smell everywhere the dogs went. Isolated it isn't bad or even noticable. However, at places where lots of dogs have done it, it is awful. The white granite block at the main entrance is overwhelmingly pungent right now.

Noah Jeppson
Noah Jeppson

And that's why the west end of the lawn at MSG is not as healthy as the other side. Instead of walking farther INTO the lawn to let the dogs pee (where the grass is still alive), people let them pee on the edge.

Anonymous
Anonymous

you'd be surprised how bad dog urine is for grass. seriously, if 50 dogs peed 3+ times per day in MSG, it would kill most of the grass.

Downtown Resident
Downtown Resident

That's why I said it's not the end of the world. It maybe a little gross, but it'll evaporate within a few minutes anyway given the heat.

As far as killing the grass, there are only a few thousand people living downtown, maybe a few hundred dogs, if that; and not all use the MSG, I don't think we're looking at an ecological disaster resulting from dog urine :)

Anonymous
Anonymous

if every dog in the vicinity pees at MSG, the grass there will die incredibly quickly, or the dog run will be disgusting. it goes without saying that poop needs to be picked up. what are you doing on the sidewalk that requires it to be pee-free? if I step in dog shit by accident, I'm not going to be able to get 100% of it off. I'm still going to walk on the sidewalk.

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