Justice or Judgment Is Coming in John Wiley Price Probe. Let's See Who Gets Wet.

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OK, let's get over the thing about "no one has been indicted" in the ongoing federal corruption investigation of Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price.

It's true. No one has been indicted. But let's be real. Somebody will be.

I am working on a column for next week's paper about behind-the-scenes maneuvering and what lies ahead in the already expansive and ever-expanding FBI probe of African-American elected officials in Dallas. And let me tell you something. Everybody knows it's coming.

Most of the conversations I am having are with people who can't afford to talk to me if I use their names. That's as frustrating for me as it is for you, because of course it gives you permission to suspect me of just making it all up. I'm not. But that's the downside of unnamed sources.

On the other hand, some of this is common sense -- a thing you could figure out just by watching, without my chiming in at all.

The federal government doesn't go this far down the road, raiding offices and hauling people before a federal grand jury, unless a very long process of duck-lining-up has already taken place. And those ducks are posed in a nice long line for one purpose: so that the feds may seek and win indictments.

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A federal agent prepares to deliver yet another subpoena in the Price investigation.
What does it mean if they get indictments? Defenders of the future defendants in this case have been telling me it doesn't mean squat. It means the feds asked for indictments. Federal grand juries, they have pointed out to me, always give the U.S. Attorney what the U.S. Attorney asks for.

Yesterday somebody repeated for me the cliché about ham sandwiches. If the U.S. Attorney tells the grand jury to do it, the grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. It's a courthouse joke -- very unamusing for persons facing possible federal indictment. But probably true.

In recent weeks at rallies of support for Price, there has been a lot of quotation from the Bible, specifically the Book of Amos, Chapter 5, Verse 24, which changes a whole lot depending on which version of the Bible you're reading from. Most of the people invoking it at the rallies have preferred versions of the Revised Standard translation: "But let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream."

Googling it this morning, I couldn't help noticing that old King James had a quite different take on that same verse. His version is: "But let judgment run down as waters ... "

Justice. Judgment. Two different deals? Be careful what you ask for.

I also noticed in looking it up in my own very dusty Bible at home that the preceding verse says: "Take away from me the noise of your songs; to the melody of your harps I will not listen."

Oh, no. So far, the songs and the harps have been my favorite part.

It's going to get a whole lot more serious. Soon. We might as well prepare ourselves.


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Urbandwellwer203
Urbandwellwer203

The black church has always been a pillar of the communityto organize for civil rights, not “silver” rights. It’s a place for socialinteraction, saving souls, redemption, learning, etc… Now, most churches areGlory-fied country club where the amount of tithes you pay is your access intothe business and political arena, not God’s paradise or heaven. If we shoulduse the Church for these events, well, the church should build a taxable venueto host political and business activities. As a matter of fact, if you roll aportion of religious property into the tax roll, millions of dollars would helpthe economy. In the black community there are typically 10 religious structureswithin less than a mile. Whose soul is being saved, because our community isreally suffering, all jokes and biases aside. This is the new game; it’s all inthe name of God and his kingdom. If Jesus came back today and walked into JWPchurch rally and said “ I am Jesus, Ihave come back to save your soul, just like the bible said. See my wooly hairand my golden feet, I am he”. Diane R. would look at him and say “see, I told you the FBI was in the audience”.  Wake up black folk. This game is old andmusty. North Dallas should wake up too because theirmoney is getting funny. These days everyone is getting caught with their handin the pickle jar; just look at the news. Maybe there is some racial overtones,but at the end of the day “Thou shall notsteal” (taken from the 10 commandments). Just look at 80% of the inner cityblack communities in major metropolitans and look at the leadership over thelast 40 years. You do the math. We lost our grip and commitment to Educationand the real meaning of Gods kingdom and its teaching. We started focusing on“Silver Rights”.  All we know is what MLKfought for. What are we fighting for? We had more black Senators in congressafter slavery than we have today in 50 states. As a community we should notonly look at this JWP incident, but we should look within our own community anddo a serious cleaning and stop looking for that One Leader; that one voice. Wehave one leader and that is God. That bible, (the Old Testament) will guide youwhen in doubt. It’s a guide and a history book, it was never meant to controlyour mind. People use it to control. There are too many people that are gettingpaid off  by black emotions and thepromise of being rich in heaven.

 

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DallasMike2U
DallasMike2U

So has anyone shown the FBI the "I Hate Gold Metals" columns by Tod Robberson, Sharon Grigsby, and others at the Snooze?

Since Tod-Boy pointed out that the FBI wanted information from JWP about Gold Metals, I have to believe that Tod, Sharon, and others have some 'splainin' to do. I don't think that Sharon or Tod have been attacking Gold Metals because they happened to drive by it one day and scientifically deduced that it was solely responsible for all the pain in south Dallas. They're in cahoots with somebody.

Publicintegrity
Publicintegrity

Take note Gromer ( i know you read this for leads).....this is how a real journalist plies his trade. Hard work, doesn't become a part of the story, and isn't afraid to speak the unvarnished truth.

Jim,

Raise your ad rates. You're the only real paper in town.

BCulbreath
BCulbreath

John Price has already started-on wrong foot.Billy Ravkind told him to keep his moth closed do not say anything to Press,what did he do,announced he would run for reelection weather indicted or not,that type of arrogance will be what gets him in the end.

Geox29
Geox29

Its been a long time coming, but I think we will finally see Justice for John.

Mister_Mean
Mister_Mean

Let the wheels of justice grind slowly and exceedingly fine.   For all concerned.

FatLadySinging
FatLadySinging

'Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.'. Leviticus 19:15

Geox29
Geox29

The Fed's started their investigation over four years ago.  They have had more than enough time to gather more than enough evidence for many convictions.

Balch Springs Citizen
Balch Springs Citizen

Way to go Jim, it's about time an article came out about the behind-the-scene moves.  This has to be much more involved than what we are getting.  I know that the truth will come out.  I have worked downtown for years and believe me I know a lot of people that would love to talk to you.  Dallas county politics has been worst than the Kremlin ever was.  Keep up the good work, can't wait to read your story next week.

Bob
Bob

With all the talk about what JWP and his minions may have done to warrant criminal prosecution, let's not forget about the enablers, the puppet-masters.  JWP is not some ebony godfather, sitting behind a desk and directing some nefarious enterprise of corruption.  He was co-opted, adopted, and funded by others more powerful than he to do their bidding, and in doing so to betray his constituents.  JWP got his share, and some of his constituents got some crumbs, but most of the pie ended up far from South Dallas and precinct 3.  When JWP goes down (as he will) the folks whose interests he faithfully served in the shadows need to be going down with him.

Chris Danger
Chris Danger

Im ready for true justice to be handled up in this case, heres hoping potential jurors see through the JWP "Slick Pimp" defense and finally put this guy and other crooked parties behind bars for a long time. I have a serious feeling this is going to be more far reaching than just the African American community this go-round. Im hoping and praying we score another one for the good guys like we did in the Don Hill shakedown case..

James the P3
James the P3

The notion of indicting a ham sandwich may be applicable to state criminal investigations.  It is not applicable to federal criminal procedure.  State district attorneys run to the grand jury as soon as they get the police report and indict based on nothing more than one cop's preliminary investigation.  So the indictment in state court is only the beginning of a long trial process. 

In contrast, the United States Attorney does not seek an indictment unless he is 100% convinced he will get a conviction.  The feds have the luxury of doing that because the crimes that they typically deal with are such that they can hide the fact that an investigation is even going on.  They don't handle murder cases where there's a body and everybody knows about the crime--they handle white collar cases in which nobody but the perpetrator even knows a crime has been committed.  So they don't have to rush an indictment to quell the public's desire to catch the bad guy.

The result is that the feds take their time investigating.  And by the time an indictment comes down, they know they've got the evidence to convict.  For that reason, the US Attorney's conviction rate in most districts is very close to 100%. 

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

The feds may very well be quoting Austin 3:16 by the time it's all said and done.

Whodunnit
Whodunnit

You are living in "very interesting" times.

Heywood U Buzzoff
Heywood U Buzzoff

So the ducks are being lined up and there will be an indictment. Even Steve Blow could have seen that.  But we are being told by community leaders who are holding fundraisers in churches that the FBI is simply a racist tool to bring down 'our man downtown'.  So therefore all ducks must be racists! 

White people -- all going to Hell! 

Diana Powe
Diana Powe

Without offering a defense of anyone who may or may not be a ham sandwich, it is also fair to note that the Department of Justice has sometimes marshaled a great deal of resources to reach an outcome which is far from satisfactory for anyone.

IMHO
IMHO

Those who quote Amos 5:24 should realize that it applies to the persons named in Amos 5:10. Justice, in ancient Biblical terms, simply means that the "right thing" is done. Honest people cheer Amos 5:24 and dishonest people will not be happy one bit. Let Justice roll on!

Scales of Justice
Scales of Justice

I believe John Price is arrogant. However, he probably realizes that he'll have stronger negotiating power with the Feds if he's a sitting County Commissioner as opposed to an ex-commissioner (a la Teri Hodge). John's just thinking about his forthcoming judgment day.

JimS
JimS

Book of James, 6:27: Eat the rich.

For the record...
For the record...

Interesting that "four years" pops up again. Someone asked Jim a few explosions ago if he thought this would take as long as the Don Hill miniseries, also four years in baking. I looked up previously referenced Harold Ford Sr., former TN politico, who was ultimately exonerated - guess what, it took four years from the Feds' flipping a couple of admittedly corrupt bribers till his trial.

JSP
JSP

Will somebody please block this poster already. Every thread it's the same thing promoting this stupid song and video.

Jay
Jay

I have been saying for years, Don Hill didn't do anything that all politicians don't do. They all take money in exchange for their influence, contracts, jobs and votes. The difference is that Hill took his bribes in cash in envelopes behind a church and through a couple of startlingly transparent front companies. Other politicians take their bribes in the form of campaign contributions, job for your wife or kids, PAC contributions, lobbying jobs after leaving office, and....the list is endless really.

JimS
JimS

Absolutely. Why does somebody give something to somebody? They want something from him.

Jim Bob Guthrie
Jim Bob Guthrie

I think you raise an excellent point.  The US Attorney's Office is very deliberate about its indictments and typically only pursues cases it is 90% sure it can win after an extensive investigation.  When they pursued that flawlessly executed raid on JWP and his cronies, they had already done probably a year-long investigation.  There were most likely wiretaps, surveillance, eyewitness interviews -- the whole nine yards. 

That being said, I've still seen instances where an innocent person was indicted by the US Attorney's Office. And I don't mean "not guilty." I mean COMPLETELY innocent.  Ultimately, justice prevailed in those cases when the jury awarded "not guilty" verdicts.  But it is a terrible thing to be indicted by the feds.  When they do it, they really mean it.    

Mayor of Mehville
Mayor of Mehville

You should stay on RW's blog...This is where the grownups come to speak their minds...

Haywood Jablome
Haywood Jablome

 I disagree that Steve Blow could have seen that - you give him way too much credit.

Tom L (No, Not That L)
Tom L (No, Not That L)

Well that's certainly true. That's why I hope that the Fed's have some really solid evidence. Like, say, a recording of JWP doing something clearly illegal.

Guest
Guest

It's like the "two weeks" that every contractor seems to quote for any semi-large or larger job.

Grumpy Demo
Grumpy Demo

FYI, mouse to the bottom left corner of their post, a link "FLAG" will appear click and report them.

StopDISD.org
StopDISD.org

Dear JSP ~  Please accept our apologies for the inconvenience but, please put yourself in the shoes of the senior, veteran and disabled residents and you too will experience their inconvenience, heartbreaks and frustrations. We hope you never have to deal with this sort of crisis and we hope you never have to endure the injustice they've suffered.

 Thank you for understanding.

Mike
Mike

Keep dreaming.  If I am regularly giving to a bona fide charity or registered campaign fund taking care not to tie any contribution to a specific act (put it on the monthly pre-authorized debit like a health club membership), have no direct evidence that the office holder is shoveling money out of the charity with both hands, and have my rep, not me, make a documented presentation to said office holder on why X is wrong (again no one ever mentions the stream of contributions and just exercising my right), where am I at fault? 

You will never find a quid pro quo.  All the action will be once the money was transferred.

JimS
JimS

I have seen the same phenomenon. The lesson is that it is possible for a very large group of very intelligent people with limitless resources to be sincerely and adamantly completely wrong, and if they are the feds and they think you're guilty, you are in a very big pickle.

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

You can't keep up there, what's that say about you?

StopDISD.org
StopDISD.org

Dear JSP,

On a separte note..in response to your comment about the "stupid song" and "Video" We respect your opinion but, we want our message to grow and welcome all musicians and artists to join us.  If you have a tune or artwork that you believe can help make a difference for communities like Jubilee Park, please contact us at stopdisd@gmail.com or www.StopDISD.org and share your creations with us for possible inclusion on our website.   Peace

StopDISD.org
StopDISD.org

Dear Redundant repetition,   We apologize for the incomplete message (having trouble posting it with space / paragraphs) and inconvenience we have caused.    We are just trying to raise consciousness of the urgency of the issue. Today Eminent domain has creeped into this established  neighborhood, creating not only a stressful atmosphere but many of the harsh realities eminent domain places on a neighborhood.    As many readers may be aware, DISD has been clearing out a neighborhood piece by piece, brick by brick...tomorrow emient domain may move into your neighborhood.  Our post may be annoying to some that are not affected by this and our crisis may seem too big to solve but, your small step becomes part of a giant one.  We invite you and others to make a stand in defending the Jubilee Park Community please contact DISD and help put an end to the injustice these residents are suffering.   Please understand this community needs our help...don't  turn your backs on them.    Peace 

Redundant repetition
Redundant repetition

DISD, the sameness of your message, coupled with lack of any actual organizing (stand up where? when? with whom?), is costing you credibility.

Mayor of Mehville
Mayor of Mehville

I can keep up, bro...Just choosing to utilize my keystrokes to more intelligent convo...

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