Don't Forget That Other Hike-n-Bike Bridge Linking Riverfront and the Cedars

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We're going to begin this morning with two Trinity-related items -- the first of which you see above. That, Friends of Unfair Park, is the Belleview Connector, a proposed bridge that would link Riverfront Boulevard to the Cedars -- specifically, Jack Matthews's South Side of Lamar and the attendant development around the old Sears complex. It's a HALFF product -- well, actually a whole product, but, you know. It is also intended to be, like all of Dallas's bridges, both an "iconic" bridge and one that creates a "bridge as 'place' or 'destination,'" according to the Belleview Connector briefing prepared for tomorrow's meeting of the Trinity River Corridor Project Commitee, of which Dave Neumann will not be chair much longer.

Between the bridge, which goes over the Union Pacific tracks, and the "Plaza and Spiral Ramp Park," construction's guesstimated to run between $9.5 and $11.5 million. Tomorrow's briefing doesn't say who's covering the cost, but the city is -- at least a hunk of it. Already has. A brief '09 briefing on the subject, which dates back to when JPI had dibs on those 60 acres, had the city using $1.6 million in '06 bond funds on the project, including Halff's renderings. According to an even earlier look-see dating back to '07, the connector was initially guesstimated to cost just $2 million. But it's grown since then. Has it ever.

The briefing's light on stats, but heavy on renderings. And you know how I love a good rendering. So much so, two more follow.

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Joe
Joe

 This is an outstanding design - anybody know who the designer is??

Alex Roderer
Alex Roderer

 I am so happy people dont realize once they see these things done they are going to want to go over and see them because they are pretty and then the day that park opens it will look like a real city park not a north texas ghost town.  Just put a little faith in this will you. 

Bill Holston
Bill Holston

I have a serious question:This is where you would put limited resources for our parks?

dalupmod
dalupmod

I will look into it. Thanks.

Cliffhanger
Cliffhanger

Someday, thousands of years from now, they will dig up the remains of Dallas, and the archeologist  will study the ruins of our city determine that this must be where the people of 21st Century North America banished all the idiots.

Stacy
Stacy

 I am trilled that Dallas is finally being so gung ho on enhancing quality of life for it's residents............HOWEVER......We are seriously getting ahead of ourselves here....The Park isnt even built yet....the Cedars area...not an entertainment district yet.....also correct if if Im wrong but the pic shows residential units surrounding the bridge but in reality there is a 4 block MAMMOTH industrial building who we dont even know is going to sell to redevelopers....In the real world cities build plaza,parks, signature bridges to enhance the community......there is no community here yet so why are we forcing something there...these projects are meant to be interwoven in an area increasing the quality of life.....not build them 1st and have the community build around them...can we please focus on enhancing the neighborhoods already by the park like the design district, and uptown....how much longer do we have to wait to get a bridge from Katy trail to Mockingbird an  the goat hill connector which isn't even rendered yet......that right there is something that should be built 1st instead of a bridge from a decapitated commerical sector "riverside blvd" to a  unsafe deserted warehouse district w/ 3 residential buildings "southside".... Basically what Im saying is can we PLEASE build something that we can utilize now and that increase quality of life to existing communities instead of building now for a area we HOPE in 10yrs will be there..... instead of building now for a area we HOPE in 10yrs will be there.....

Wylie H.
Wylie H.

Errrr.... we can't even get the City to pay for enhanced crosswalk across McKinney Ave. in Uptown or on Henderson east of Central Expressway (where hundreds of people take their lives into their hands attempting to cross) because the City says it is brokester.

Bill Holston
Bill Holston

 exactly what is wrong with these big ticket items. They leave nothing to spend on areas of actual community and recreation.

Mister_Mean
Mister_Mean

Why does the sight of these bridges make me want to cry with tears of desperation and hopelessness?   Why do I have visions of those anti motivational posters that show disasters like the Titanic sinking with titles like “Embrace Failure”?   Why does the phrase “It’s always darkest before it’s pitch black” come to mind? Just keep this moment in mind when the city come back to you in the fall saying that they (the city staff and city council) does not have enough money for libraries, parks and swimming pools and because tax valuations are down we have to cut services (like they do every year) so we can maintain the 30 percent debt burden on our spendthrift ways for our suspension bridges and squanderings on the Trinity Toll Road (just to name two items on a long list of waste)? I mean every week we are treated to gross mismanagement and incompetence be it at the school district, county,  and city level.  

BA Norrgard
BA Norrgard

Does it have to be a major piece of architecture and take 10 years to construct?  How about a simple, functional bridge that is a fraction of the cost and completed in less than 5?  Honestly.   "Bigger" and "more" are not necessarily better.   

Mo Bridges Mo Problems
Mo Bridges Mo Problems

 If the developers want approval to build this, then it's great.  But it will only be used by those who live in the Cedars.  So it seems the developers of the Cedars should pay for it -- since they are the only ones who stand to benefit. 

PediBridgetoNowhere
PediBridgetoNowhere

Jack Matthews keeps his mouth on the City's nipple - he licks Karl Z's cock every morniung

this is nuts

Downtown_worker
Downtown_worker

The "Spiral Ramp Park" looks like it'll be used as a public toilet by bums. I can smell it already.

Wylie H.
Wylie H.

The spiral ramp and the long stair case will serve as serious inhibitors to use of this bridge by actual people.  There have been extensive studies done on this topic; one can actually quantify the percentage of potential users who will choose alternate paths (or choose not to make the journey at all) due to the inclusion of these features.

This kind of stuff is common knowledge in the industry.  But then again, so were the design flaws associated with Victory Park---- sometimes it seems like people in Dallas just stick their heads in the sand and choose the false comfort of willful ignorance over the somewhat uneasy feeling that is sometimes associated with increased learning and and associated appreciation for the complexity of things.

Ien Black
Ien Black

 I like it better than a calatrava design.

Stacy
Stacy

I hate to break it to you, but that IS A CALATRAVA DESIGNED BRIDGE....it's basicly a pimped out version of his Campo Volantin Bridge.....

Joe
Joe

You are TOTALLY incorrect!!!!

Catbird
Catbird

Ugly and expensive....

Al
Al

You obviously know very little when it comes to design...... 

Bill Holston
Bill Holston

 http://friendsofsantafetrail.o...what's wrong with utilitarian bridges? We have great trails here, there's the Turtle Creek Trail, Katy Trail, Santa Fe Trail, which are being maintained by volunteer groups. These big ticket items are window dressing. I get the point about access to greenbelt from Southside, which is a well done redevelopment project, but this seems totally unnecessary at this time. Bond money isn't free money.

Ben
Ben

A ped bridge of some kind is needed over the UP Tracks to link the northern terminus of the Santa Fe Trestle Trail under construction with The Cedars and West End. Currently, the Santa Fe Trestle Trail will terminate 50 yards short of the north levee. From there it's hard to figure out where to go. The only way to legally cross the tracks is via Corinth, through a rather spooky tunnel.

The path of least resistance is simply to scoot across the tracks but the Union Pacific Railroad Police patrol their tracks in that area with dogs. Crossing is a no-no. Found out about that first hand the other weekend!

Strange how two different projects(Dallas Waves/Santa Fe Trestle Trail) sharing the same piece of real estate can both have so many unforseen issues. Major issues like safety and access. The Waves has a potential water safety issue and the Santa Fe Trestle Trail has(will have) a major access problem on the north end.

Wylie H.
Wylie H.

The issues are only "unforseen" to incompetent management.

Wylie H.
Wylie H.

One has to wonder at this point if Mary Suhm has completely lost her mind.

Wylie H.
Wylie H.

"The briefing's light on stats, but heavy on renderings..." as are all of Queen Mary Suhm's City Council presentations when she's trying to sneak something through.

bmike
bmike

lol. A "bridge as 'place' or 'destination'".  How about we wait until there is actual development in that area and then if there is a need for a pedestrian bridge we build it.  I would bet that in my lifetime there is never really a 'need ' for a bridge in this location.  How about my need for a smooth Lemon Ave.  I definitely need that.

Howard
Howard

Sad but true: Nobody remembers or cares about those who maintain and upgrade infrastructure. It's always showy structures like bridges, sports arenas, and expansive pavilions that they remember. It's always been that way in the history of civilizations -- the sweat and labor of the masses used to fund monuments to the powerful.

G_David
G_David

Has anybody noticed that they're finally re-paving Ross, east of 75?  It's only needed it for about 9 years.   

Wylie H.
Wylie H.

"How about my need for a smooth Lemon Ave.  I definitely need that."

That will have to wait until a developer with enough "juice" purchases a substantial tract of land along Lemon.

Montemalone
Montemalone

 Lemmon is already lined with Aston Martin and Bentley and Rolls Royce and Maserati and Benz and Porsche and Lexus and Cadillac and Infiniti and Honda and Subaru and Audi and Volkswagen and Volvo and BMW and coming soon Acura dealers. Not to mention the payday lenders next door to each car dealer. How much juice do they need?

Coleman
Coleman

 yeah really, I always thought it was a little bit of poetic justice that all of those high-end car dealerships are located on one of the shittiest roads in the city

Wylie H.
Wylie H.

The owners of those businesses don't make big contributions to incumbent city council members-- they only contribute to the economy, which doesn't count.

US175guy
US175guy

Don't forget--3, yes **3**--title loan places in ONE block!!!

Bill Holston
Bill Holston

Okay, I don't get this. Slide 25 shows a dead end. Where exactly is this and does it connect existing trails? Looking at the map, there don't seem to be any. If these developers want to build a bridge, go for it, can't see why this is a priority spot for a pedestrian bridge

Wylie H.
Wylie H.

No, this was supposed to connect to a huge JPI development project; however, JPI went under and Bank of the Ozarks has foreclosed on the property.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jack Matthews or another developer in tight with the City has already signed a purchase agreement with Bank of the Ozarks to purchase the land contingent upon the City "gifting" this bridge to the project.

elbueno
elbueno

Its for the residents of South Side On Lamar and surrounding development. I lived there for a while. Sucked that this huge swath of green space was right next door but we were disconnected by like 800 train tracks...

I agree with others. This should be payed for by developers or TIF funds. Also, the design is a bit ridiculous.

Stacy
Stacy

ummm....I dont think the 800 train tracks disconnected u from the trinity green space. It was the 6 BLOCK WIDE industrial building behind u surrounded by 15ft barbwire fences which is NOT selling to developers that disconnected u.... 

observist
observist

It's not design - it's over-design 

Montemalone
Montemalone

 It's the Sarah Palin Memorial Bridge to Nowhere

warden62
warden62

Wait, so it is actually possible to design a big white arch with strings hanging down and not pay Calatrava 18 billion dollars to do so?

Montemalone
Montemalone

 I think this was found on a cocktail napkin after he signed the deal for the big ones.

Cityrunamuk
Cityrunamuk

Is Jack paying for this?  If so, great idea...........if not - will this be a taxpayer funded project?   

Wylie H.
Wylie H.

I don't think he intends to use any of his $15 million convention hotel development fee to pay for this.

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