Is Hating Teachers the Right Thing to Do?

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The New York Times ran a story yesterday about all the hate the right-wingers are expressing for school teachers. In the opening they quoted placards from Madison, Wisconsin, saying, "You are glorified babysitters who leave school at 3:30 pm. You deserve minimum wage."

They interviewed a 30-year-old second-year teacher who carries 26 grand in college debt. "You feel punched in the stomach," she said. She can't buy a car. She can't buy a house. She has to move back in with her parents. She's educating people's children. And they're out there spitting in her face.

Oh, my God. Where have these people come from? From beneath what rock have they crept? Americans don't hate school teachers. Do they? Every day I read something like this, and at first I'm just speechlessly stunned. Like Martians have taken over.

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Jon Stewart provided a particularly good primer on this subject only last night.
Who else do they hate? Not Mom! Tell me they're not gunning for Mom now. Maybe tomorrow it will be placards saying, "Mom is a fat hag!" "Eat dog food and die, Mom."

These people are conservatives? My Kansas grandmother was a conservative, a loyal lifelong Republican. She thought public school teachers were saints. Saints.

This stuff is not coming from any kind of mainstream conservative American tradition. The same Times story reiterated polling data reported yesterday in The Times showing that Americans are opposed by a margin of 2-1 to stripping public employees of their collective bargaining rights.

This other stuff -- this hatred of teachers, hatred of honest lunch-bucket carrying industrial workers, hatred of educated people, hatred, hatred, hatred -- this is all very sick stuff. Jack boot. Crazy. Ugly. Hate junkies.

And you know what? The rest of us had better get up off our duffs and slap some respect and some manners back into these people, or we're going to wake up one day and find them coming down the street after all of us.

I'll give them this. Wherever they come from, Mars or under the rock, they are a real threat to this country. They're not conservatives. We need to find a better word.


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sevilla989989
sevilla989989

Many people dislike teachers unions, but they are there to help both the teachers and students.  Do you honestly believe that class sizes would remain low if it were not for the union?  A union may say a class may not have more than 30 students.  If it goes over that amount a new teacher is hired and the teachers and students benefit. If the union was not involved, classes would grow and grow.  The unions fight for the students when administration does not.


Many people hate unions, and I am not sure why.  If they are taken out of educations, both the teachers and students would suffer.

Chula
Chula

"Glorified baby sitters". Hmmmm. I remember a time, when, if you acted up in class the teacher called your parents, and you weren't allowed back in class until you could behave appropriately.-And if that meant your mom or dad had to take off work to deal with their unruly child, then so be it.

-Don't get me wrong; today is very much different than yesterday; times have indeed changed. I think all sides of things have spiraled into a shit tornado(pardon my expression), and it's sad. The children are the pawns. They are the ones who suffer because no one cares anymore. Yes, again, on all sides. Nice.

I think that if anyone 3700 Ross Ave., or elsewhere, makes six figures, there should be a salary cut, and the extra monies from these six figs should be distributed to the shortfall in the budget. It's easier to understand a hardship when you have to live it yourself.

And I say this, knowing I have barely scratched the surface, nor can comprehend the full understanding of this fine mess; nothing short of tragic.

eli
eli

Good article. I'm not a conservative, but I will tell you this---I know PLENTY of conservatives who think teachers are great. I think some of the more vocal people are anomalies...not the mainstream wing of the party. People need to be more polite and respect one another.

Nriddle
Nriddle

So, there aren't occasional random idiots in a large crowd of protesters? I love how liberals paint the picture that "conservatives" "hate teachers" and conveniently report that since some moron made-up an insulting and uninformed sign he MUST representative ALL conservatives and Tea Party members.

The issue in Wisconsin is not about teachers, it's about the union system and a govenor trying to do the right thing and adjust the budget. Cuts will happen, I challenge anyone else to try and be fiscally responsible and have it NOT negatively impact those union members. Conservatives want good teachers, want better education and realize that a unionized system is not necessarily finanically feasible.

Not one word of the article above has any purpose other than to stir the pot and rally liberally-minded folks to get all up-in-arms towards "conservatives" on the broad generalization that the occasional fool in a crowd MUST somehow be representative of MILLIONS of Americans who AGREE with what the govenor of Wisconsin is doing.

We get it, the poor teachers. Want them all to get paid better in Wisc. and keep their jobs while the state taxes and deficit climb so high generations from now it'll be even more horrible than it is today? Or, do you TEACH children by EXAMPLE that you have to live within your means (government of individual) and not pass the consequences off to future generations?

Grow-up, Schutze. You don't think conservatives worry about the rabid, torch-wielding radical left marching down their streets telling them they have to sit there and pay for others' lifestyles? People disagree, and some of those protesters are disgusting, but they ARE NOT representative of all conservatives.

Not upset that the unionized teachers are taking invalid/false "sick days" to camp at the capitol, are we? Or, that liberal DEMOCRATS' best way to deal with a situation is to FLEE the state like WUSSIES rather than vote per their JOB requirements? Or maybe, not mad that the liberal left didn't GET THE VOTE OUT in November? Hmm, maybe this wouldn't be happening in Wisc. and other states unless a MAJORITY of CITIZENS voted AGAINST this exact type of government policy and ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES to act accordingly while in office.

I loved a lot of my teachers, but this isn't about whether people like them or not, and you know that. Nice article, BIG picture up top, embedded photo of The Daily Show (a comedy program and not true source for journalism) and just a few personal opinions. Solid.

Bettyculbreath
Bettyculbreath

When Obama was elected,President of USA,people hated him. The win,hated the Democrats,hated he's mixed,hated his mother was white,hate he's black,hated his education,hate he has real birth certificate,hate he's never been to jail.People did not want to seem racist, many hate him for different reasons,liberal,young. It's was much better to organize a grassroots group ,who, Hate everything.The birth,sorta like RoseMary's baby, Conservative group; Tea Party ,is her name.Mixed income group of people, energized by their passionate Hate of everything.Dick Army and Carl Rowe organized this group ,all over America,to be ready to protest and hate at a moment notice in any part of US,were ,needed.Health Care reform was first,now Republican Party has lost control of Group,so they spend time on next issue to Hate. Open Season on Hate.Only hate can mobilize people that quick 24/7.

Hasanmary
Hasanmary

There will always be simple minded people who find a reason to hate. So sad.

Oak Cliff Townie
Oak Cliff Townie

While you are Correct about Texas being a right to work state. Texas Teachers are being painted by the same broad brush.An untended consequence Don't fool your self. The larger focus of the ruckus is ridding the Nation of Government Schools .

A fringe movement to most it is a very real threat to the PUBLIC education system as a whole .Top to Bottom.

Joshua
Joshua

PEOPLE DO NOT HATE TEACHER THAT TEACH KIDS EFFECTIVELY.PEOPLE ARE DISGUSTED AT THE WASTED MONEY THROWN AT THE BUREAUCRACY THAT PRETENDS TO BE AN EDUCATIONAL FORCE TO HELP OUR KIDS AND CITIZENS BECOME LITERATE AND KNOWLEDGEABLE.TO THE EXTENT THAT SOME TEACHERS AND THEIR UNION LEADERS DEMAND MORE MONEY, AGAINST AN ABSOLUTELY FAILING PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM, IT IS FAIR GAME FOR TAXPAYERS TO GET UP IN ARMS AND UNPREPARED TO KEEP PAYING FOR THIS POOR PERFORMANCE. THE GOOD TEACHERS GET TARRED WITH THE SAME BRUSH, AS THE ONLY ONES UP IN THE MEDIA AND PUBLIC VIEW ARE THOSE THAT ABANDONED THEIR CLASSES AND DUTIES AND WENT TO THE STATEHOUSE TO CARRY UNION SIGNS.

THAT IS WHAT IS HATED, THE BLACKMAILING PRESSURE THUG TACTICS OF UNION LEADERSHIP AND THE SHEEP THAT CARRY THEIR WATER. SORRY, BUT MORE FOOLS THEY.

Joshua
Joshua

ANYONE WITH A SIGN CAN CALL THEMSELVES LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE. THE MESSAGE ON THEIR SIGN REPRESENTS THEIR PERSONAL ATTITUDE ONLY, NOT THAT OF ANY ENTIRE GROUP, UNLESS THE SIGN WAS PRINTED AND PASSED OUT BY A GROUP.

HATE IS A RHETORIC COPOUT AS A DESCRIPTOR...MUCH OVERUSED BY THE MEDIA AND IDEOLOGS....IT MEANS SOMEONE THAT OPPOSED MY VIEW AND MAKES A BIG POINT ABOUT IT.

CRUDE WORDS, SIGNS, ATTACKS, AD HOMINEM CRUELTY, THESE ARE ONLY THE ATTITUDES OF THE SINGLE PERSON CARRYING THE SIGN, OR SHOUTING.

THE MAJORITY OF ALL GROUPS ARE NOT IN FRONT OF THE MEDIA OR MARCHING ABOUT LIKE FOOLS. AMERICANS ARE NOT LIKE THAT. BUT THAT IS THE PROPAGANDA MACHINES IN ACTION..LIKE THE MEDIA DOES IT, THEY PICK THE BAD STUFF TO SHOW AS IF IT WERE THE NORM.

DO BLACKS ALL HATE WHITES? ARE ALL CHRISTIANS REPRESENTED BY THE ACTIONS OF THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH, ARE ALL REPUBLICANS COMMITTED TO KILLING YOUR GRANDMOTHER? ARE ALL DEMOCRATS COMMITTED TO COMMUNISM AND TO SPENDING YOUR GRANDKIDS FUTURE INCOME?

NO!

SO CUT OUT THE "HATE" LABELING CRAP...IT DOESN'T SELL ANYMORE.

JZ
JZ

Every one of these threads about DISD always has the same comments, teachers are great, administrators are horrible. As someone who is related to a person who used to work in the Administration in DISD, i can tell you that the idea he was overpaid or was the problem is complete bullshit.

Let's be honest, people here are defending teachers because the teachers unions are Democrat lapdogs and Dems need them to win elections. What the "saintly" teachers in Wisconsin are doing is telling the taxpayers to go fuck themselves, that they're the boss and taxpayers can just hand over their money like good little proles and keep their mouth shut. Even Jimmy Carter was against collective bargaining for government employees because even he realized that the only recourse taxpayers have against public employees is elections and if public employees don't have to abide by those elections, as Wisconsin teachers obviously think they don't, then taxpayers are powerless. As for Wisconsin teachers being paid $100,000 as someone mentioned above, they already are - http://tinyurl.com/6fyrd5h

CR
CR

You know why public schools suck, it's because the parents suck. These asshole parents are the same one's badmouthing teachers and holding up those vulgar signs: "You are glorified babysitters who leave school at 3:30 pm. You deserve minimum wage."

We hold teachers and schools accountable enough with all sorts of testing, it's now time for parents to be held accountable. It's the parents that are in most serious need of reeducation.

If parents were fined and required to take parenting courses when students acted up in class, our public school system would be very different right now. This would also be an excellent way of raising revenue for school districts while empowering teachers, increasing classroom discipline, thus, improving the overall learning environment.

Jay
Jay

Flimsy reporting, beneath you JimS. Or, based on your recent writing, the "new reality"?

One sign by a nimrod in Wisconsin does not a movement make.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

"I think that if anyone 3700 Ross Ave., or elsewhere, makes six figures, there should be a salary cut, and the extra monies from these six figs should be distributed to the shortfall in the budget. It's easier to understand a hardship when you have to live it yourself"

Everyone who complains that cuts must be made in a budget somewhere, notice how they always have a lot of ideas on what cuts to make, but none of those cuts are for programs they themselves use or take advantage of. I don't want to hear what you think everyone else should have to live without, tell me what YOU are willing to give up.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

"Not upset that the unionized teachers are taking invalid/false "sick days" to camp at the capitol, are we? Or, that liberal DEMOCRATS' best way to deal with a situation is to FLEE the state like WUSSIES rather than vote per their JOB requirements?"

The US has a long history of peaceful civil disobedience as a way of opposing bullshit being imposed on us by those who try to abuse their authority. When liberals do it, they're "wussies", when conservatives do it, they're "patriots".

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

If it was about adjusting the budget, this would have been over after the union agreed to the cuts he said he needed to make. Obviously this is about union busting. And obviously, the majority of people of WI don't feel like that's what they were voting for (since the state is divided over the issue). Now if you mean that, before they voted for a Republican governor, the people of WI should have considered that he might go off half-cocked and start pandering to the extreme right, then, yeah, maybe. I'm sure they've learned that lesson now.

scottindallas
scottindallas

The Union agreed to the fiscal cuts demanded of the Governor. When you think about it, it makes it easier to have a Union to negotiate with, rather than a myriad of agreements that various regulations and stipulations. Unions aren't the necessary enemy, yet they are being made so to serve a larger agenda. Consider the words of Chris Christie in NJ, he WANTS to have the opportunity to collectively bargain.

scottindallas
scottindallas

to be fair they hated Clinton and they really hated Carter, who might be the best President we've had. He cut more gov't jobs, than any. Was and governed like a true Christian--that is to say, he rejected war; and the Warmongers who populate both parties HATED that. Obama's proved to be a warmonger too, like Clinton, so they spare him our most vitriolic wrath. And, Sadly, Obama has distinguished himself in one pernicious category, he's been even more aggressive in pursuing whistle-blowers than even Bush, who looks freewheeling in comparison.

An Analogy
An Analogy

Imagine that next week, the US govt decided that all citizens would now pay $600 a month to Grocery Store A.

In exchange, every person would get a couple of bags of groceries from their assigned store. If it is a filthy store or staffed with rude employees who never can explain why a carton of a dozen eggs only comes with 11, well, you should move somewhere with better store.

Unless you're poor. Then you're probably screwed. But you should have thought about that before you "chose" your home. And don't whine to me about how expensive it is to move or how properties assigned to the good stores are very expensive.

People would not shop for their groceries; their groceries would be chosen for them and handed to them once a month. Individual food preferences could not be considered.

The rich, of course, would pay their $600, but they would also be able to pay the extra cost to shop at other grocery stores with better prices or better produce or more variety. Those grocery stores bend over backward to provide excellent service and quality food.

Now tell me how public ed in this country is any differrent.No matter how crappy, wasteful, corrupt, or ineffective DISD is, we are forced to keep giving it our money. By our own elected officials.

We would not stand for govt groceries or govt cars, but we allow a few crooks at the top to get rich off of us under the guise of govt schools.

Only the rich can escape.How American is that?

scottindallas
scottindallas

I don't buy the whole, "all caps is tantamount to shouting" line, and I enjoy using All Caps to emphasize the occasional WORD, or PHRASE. But frankly, all caps makes for a difficult to read font choice. If you write everything in all caps it gets hard to read.

To answer your point, I think this is all fair play, and the public gets to decide. Evidently, the polls suggest the protesters are more popularly supported than your position. So, I can understand your point. I can call you a tool because I know the source of your information, though I don't think you can do what I can do. These arguments come from an orchestrated campaign led by the Koch brothers, who've founded the Kato Institute, Heritage Foundation and other think tanks that regularly produce dubious studies. I know you've never heard these studies are vulnerable to scrutiny, nor are you treated to fair critiques.

Rico
Rico

Why are you yelling? I'm only two feet away.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

"Let's be honest, people here are defending teachers because the teachers unions are Democrat lapdogs and Dems need them to win elections."

If we're being TOTALLY honest, that's an awfully retarded analysis

scottindallas
scottindallas

the reason these pensions are in trouble is that Wall St. profligacy caused these funds' shortfalls. This is related to compensation packages that are so lucrative they are hard to up-hold. In college we used to love to plot schemes or heists where we would have to take our booty and never return. But never did we imagine a figure so large as some of these people are paid. They can earn in a year, by fudging a form or two, enough to retire on. But you can see no benefit on raising taxes on these people? The austerity for the economic meltdown must be borne by the meek, rather than the wealthy whom we bailed out and made whole. Your side loves to bitch about double taxation, but you get double dips and we bear the burden. What's worse, you're probably too poor to benefit from these benes. Did you know Obama RAISED taxes on 1/3 of tax payers? The bottom 1/3 of income earners got a tax hike, everyone else a tax cut, the upper tier a pretty substantial cut.

scottindallas
scottindallas

Why don't we actually extend school hours, and hire people to tutor and baby sit kids in the afternoons at schools. This would provide many jobs that would help the economy while reinforcing the lessons of the day. Again, I'm all for this being voluntary, but the harried parents that work all day could use the help. It's tough to come home, cook dinner and then tutor your kid while cleaning up from dinner, and the day. I can understand why some single working parents can't pull it off.

Considering the subsidies and the private money that goes to day cares, it seems this money could be better redirected into the schools where the kids already are. The teachers could perhaps be asked to keep an hour or half hour after the usual day, any thing else would be compensated. Those who are in the day care industry now could certainly transition into these jobs, but certainly it would help kids.

md
md

I read the article. No where does it mention anyone spitting in that girl's face. He may have meant it metaphorically, but that isn't clear from his writing and I don't think he wanted it to be.

He doesn't even discuss the issue at hand.

If you're against collective bargaining because you think teachers should be retained based on their performance and not their tenure, you "hate teachers."

Re-framing an argument to give it an emotional, indefensible spin is a cheap tactic. As is impugning an entire group of people because they don't agree with you.

And he thinks he has some moral high ground?

JimS
JimS

Jay: read the commenters here. You prove my point.

Phelps
Phelps

And 100 signs by so-called-educators comparing Walker to Hitler explicitly shall not be noted by the establishment media, lest they be mistaken for a movement.

Chula
Chula

You need a hug to wash that displaced anger away. Nice use of trying to use my words against me-a little weak, but I'll give it to you. If anything, I will consider what you said, as I can see where what I wrote would cause you to take issue.

Phelps
Phelps

I think that you misunderstand the principles of civil disobedience. If the WI Senators went to the border, and held a press conference that said, "what you are doing is immoral, and to show it, I am going to wait here until I am arrested," then that's civil disobedience. What these guys are doing is simply disobedience. (And pretty craven disobedience, at that. I can recall two instances where Dems have pulled this BS, and none where Republicans have. Can you point me to one?)

scottindallas
scottindallas

you're making an appeal for vouchers. I'm not sure private schools are interested in picking up the slack. Further, schools would likely lose some autonomy in regards to admissions.

But, I like food stamps/Lone Star cards, those have minimal graft and don't pervert the market. Another issue would be to compare private school's tuition to the per student expenditure. I'm pretty sure private schools are operating at a far higher cost. So, you analogy is likely an inapt one. I could be persuaded to consider vouchers, but, for it to work, we'd have to double educational expenditures. That sounds like another "American Medical System," we'd likely have the most advanced educational system in the world, only it would cost twice what the rest of the world spends/student.

Oak Cliff Townie
Oak Cliff Townie

We would not stand for govt groceries ******* Lonestar cards *******or govt cars*****DART THE T,********** but we allow a few crooks at the top to get rich off of us under the guise of govt schools.

The Crooks are everywhere .

JZ
JZ

Aww, real sorry my analysis didn't live up to your obviously high standards, from now on i'll follow your brilliant example and just call everything retarded.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

Wealth redistribution is always wrong.Unless it involves firing teachers so we can give tax cuts to the wealthy.

Alalia
Alalia

School districts do this already. Many offer after school programs and tutoring. My aunt was teaching TAKS tutoring at from 4 to 8 pm on a Saturday afternoon. The high school I taught at in Dallas offered all sorts of after school tutoring, particularly for students who hadn't passed the TAKS. It was nearly impossible to get students to stay.

CR
CR

"I can understand why some single working parents can't pull it off. "

Yes, I understand that there are many hard working single parents out there doing the best they can, but there are also too many parents (even those still married and not poor) that simply don't give a shit and let their kids run wild. Of course, we need to consider all factors on a case-by-case basis, but just as everyone expects more from school districts and the police, we do need more parent accountability.

I also think we need to provide incentives for people to marry and stay married, but I do think that school hours should be extended during the day to keep kids out of trouble and away from negative outside influences, such as gangs and drug use.

scottindallas
scottindallas

collective bargaining doesn't mean that it should be impossible to fire a teacher. It simply gives the Teachers a collective voice. Collective bargaining allows the teachers to have input in the process. I agree that there may well be needed reforms, but those will be more effective and we'll have better buy in working WITH teachers. Again, I don't see the same criticism on lobbying by corporations with business with the gov't, how's that any different? Again, you're picking at the relative pennies we give to many people, while safeguarding their sweetheart deals, squared away at fund-raisers and fancy lunches the teachers never get. Tell me who gets their phone calls answered? Those people are the ones that are funding your news sources, your opinion makers, and the "experts" who populate the "think tanks" they run. Sadly, I don't hear the Democrats raising credible alternatives, but frankly, you're ceding the entire debate to them.

Jay
Jay

Prove your point? No more than one racist county commissioner and his hand full of supports prove that all black people are racist. You're pro-union...I get it. I would suggest that the haters are a minority of both sides of the issue.

Blame the School Board
Blame the School Board

Listen, Phelps, I'm with you on the teachers who wholeheartedly support unions and write on the walls of the capitol building in WI with Sharpie markers to protect their lazy-creating seniority system.

My fear is that Texans will lump Texas teachers in with that crowd.We don't have unions with any power other than to hassle the administration when the administration violates the contract written by the administration.

Especially in DISD, good teachers constantly have to fight against an entrenched bureaucracy built on race and cronyism instead of excellence.

Instead I want Texans to look at the real culprit in the mess that public education has become: immoral, dishonest, greedy, LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS.

Who do you think fosters and tolerates the corruption? Our DISD school board members.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

LOL. you slay me. Seriously. I gotta hand it to you. You, like other extremists before you, have an uncanny ability to justify your own behavior while demonizing the exact same behavior in others. It truly is a wonder to behold the extent of the intellectual gymnastics partisans can perform without being able to recognize themselves performing it. Rock on, dude! OK, OK. Democrats always wrong, Republicans always right! Hehe.

Phelps
Phelps

Right. Republicans obstruct the will of the people by following the rules.

Got it.

And yeah, since Thoreau literally wrote the book on it (and, yes, I am literally using literally correctly), I think that you have to start there. Please note that Ghandi and MLK did the same thing. I don't recall reading anything about Ghandi's great run-away to Sri Lanka, or MLK's courageous sit in at the NAACP headquarters.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

LOL. Thoreau? It isn't civil disobedience unless its done strictly according to Thoreau? Dude, that's a hoot!

And yeah, apparently you conveniently (and not surprisingly) glossed completely over all mention of filibusters.

Because that's how Republicans obstruct the will of the people, and Republicans are justified.

Phelps
Phelps

Getting arrested makes it the real, actual kind. Read some Thoreau, starting with, say, Civil Disobedience.

The prop­er place to-day, the only place which Mas­sa­chu­setts has pro­vided for her freer and less de­spond­ing spirits, is in her pris­ons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have al­ready put them­selves out by their prin­ci­ples. It is there that the fu­gi­tive slave, and the Mex­ican pris­oner on pa­role, and the In­dian come to plead the wrongs of his race, should find them; on that sep­a­rate, but more free and hon­or­able ground, where the State places those who are not with her but against her, — the only house in a slave-state in which a free man can abide with honor. If any think that their in­flu­ence would be lost there, and their voices no longer af­flict the ear of the State, that they would not be as an en­emy within its walls, they do not know by how much truth is stronger than er­ror, nor how much more el­o­quently and ef­fec­tively he can combat in­jus­tice who has ex­pe­ri­enced a lit­tle in his own per­son. Cast your whole vote, not a strip of pa­per merely, but your whole in­flu­ence.

(As near as I can tell with the rest of your rambling, the answer to my "can you point me to one" is 'no'.)

Elections have consequences. The People of WI put the Senators in that they did for a reason. By fleeing their duty under the WI constitution, they are making an undemocratic stand, defying the will of the voters expressly shown in November.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

Oh, I see. Getting arrested makes it a different kind of disobedience, the patriotic kind. Preventing someone from abusing their authority through political gamesmanship is only valiant if a press conference is held. And yes, the Republicans have been doing exactly that, through different means, for the past several years. There is no difference between staying out of town so a vote can't be held, and threatening filibusters on every single vote for every single issue so votes can't be held. But of course, I'm sure you champion the ridiculous, profuse use of the Republican filibuster threat. Cuz Republicans always have everyone's best interests at heart, no doubt, and Democrats are just crooked and sleazy. Am I close?

Oak Cliff Townie
Oak Cliff Townie

@ An Analogy Lonestar cards: taxes pay in, benefits go out to qualified people.

Then we need to for kids to Test into school .

Not that hard and the few millions spent to test in would eliminate Billions in funding for Head Start and Prenatal Pre "K"

A Fish camp for the 5 year old.

Here are A few of the tests Some involve the parents for obvious reasons.(1) Showing up on time. With full tummy.

(2)Knowing how to behave inside a structure. a Indoor voice. b.Walking slow. c. Walking in a strait line. Advancing to Following a "LINE LEADER" Honors course LEADING THE LINE

I have more but I don't want to share here As I am planning for a Lucrative consultant contract with the DISD.

An Analogy
An Analogy

Lonestar cards: taxes pay in, benefits go out to qualified people.

Education cards: taxes go in, every child gets a card and gets to choose their school, private or not.

No more middlemen at the school board misspending millions upon millions of dollars.

JZ
JZ

Hard to believe, but you're right again. From now on i'll just rattle off some stupidity about peoples opinions being nothing more than a mindless recitation of whoever the latest boogeyman for the left is, and i'll be sure to spell Fox News as Faux News and maybe, just maybe, one day i can be as clever and intellectually honest as you.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

It has nothing to do with disagreeing, nimrod. It has to do with idiotic comments with absolutely no thought behind them- that people's opinions about the value of teaching profession is based on the unions voting Democrat and Democrats "needing them to win elections". Get real. Don't rattle off some stupidity that people's opinions about the teaching profession aren't authentic and have nothing to do with teaching and the values they believe in, but instead are all about future elections and lapdogs and whatever other garbage you heard on Limbaugh that morning. The reaon I know you get that crap from Limbaugh/Beck is because normal people don't think that way. The only person who would ever come up with such a silly idea is someone who gets paid to entertain people with stupid ideas like that, in which everything can be boiled down to one political conspiracy or another. If you have a real disagreement to express, express it. But dismissing everyone's opinions out of hand because they are secretly concerned that they might lose a political "lapdog" (yeah, there's a real intellectual triumph, Einstein), well, that's just retarded. Disagree all you want. But disagree honestly. Use youre friggin brain, if you still remember how.

JZ
JZ

You're right of course, and accusing anyone who disagrees with you of parroting Limbaugh/Beck isn't passing everything off as a conservative conspiracy at all, your brilliance continues to shine.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

That would still be more intellectually rigorous (and accurate) than merely parroting Limbaugh/Beck and passing everything off as some liberal conspiracy.

scottindallas
scottindallas

If it were across the board where parental consent was required to be exempted from attendance, the entire situation would change. This would especially affect elementary schools where middle schools and high schools would probably be essentially unaffected--just as is the these students aren't bussed off to day care. But those elementary kids are cute, and impressionable--getting voluntary parental help should lighten this staffing burden. This is where education is most important and effective. Extra expenditures here would likely show great benefits and be off-set by savings in our day care subsidies to private firms who use other facilities to house these people.

Further, this would be a good time slot to engage in those perfunctory, extra-curricular tasks that currently interfere with class time. More medical prevention activities should be done in these hours. We could more effectively utilize medical wagons and other activities that the schools are covertly extending to just a needy, known few. This could off-set some medical expenses, that are covered by private and public coffers today. Not to mention science oriented wagons, and other activities. If done on a national basis, corporations would be eager to sponsor these mobile exhibits and that good be well directed. Sometimes our petty thinking becomes quite costly.

Tad Banyon
Tad Banyon

Absolutely. Show me a kid whose parents are serious about and involved with the kid's education, and I'll show you a successful student. Unfortunately, in this country its practically taboo to suggest to someone that they're not raising their kids correctly, even when they clearly aren't.

Jay
Jay

I'm married to a Texas school teacher. That rabble in Wisconsin who lied about medical leave, violated their "sacred union contracts" and abandoned their students for political purposes bear no resemblance to Texas teachers. Teachers in Texas are not the problem.

Phelps
Phelps

I'm with you 100%. Drain the school board and administration cesspools in Texas, and you would solve every problem our public school system has.

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