The First Standing O For the Standing Wave


Speaking of the Standing Wave ...

Yesterday, a fellow named David Morring sent me the following note, which accompanied a link to the video you see above:
I saw your recent post in your blog. Myself and several other whitewater paddlers have been following this project and in fact received permission to do some test rides on the waves for the city. Here is the video I put together. If you want more info on the wave from the perspective of people who will actually be down their on it every week, let me know.
In a follow-up missive, I asked Morring for a few thoughts on the project, which is scheduled to officially open this spring. Is it, I wondered, all he and his fellow kayakers had hoped for? He replied:
Yes, it's very nice. I've been on it 3 times already. We normally only get to paddle White Rock creek and other creeks after heavy rains and during flash flooding. Now, we'll have a place to kayak everyday, year round. Even paddlers in Central Texas, Oklahoma and Arkansas are excited about it.


Advertisement

My Voice Nation Help
46 comments
Engmofo
Engmofo

Is there any restriction saying you can Or can't surf it (& I mean surf not Goat Boat)?

Oak Cliff Townie
Oak Cliff Townie

After reading what you folks have written I am glad you folks are happy with your adventure area.If this helps you lose yourselves for a moment in something you find fun more power to you I wish the water was a bit cleaner but it is what it is.

Our vacation last year was a 9 day road trip to Big Bend Area And while we didn't do an extended trip on the River through the National Park we did a half day with a guide Lazy floating trip just south of the Big Bend Ranch State Park.

We as a family have been to other parts of the country the are Out Door Recreation areas and the over all feeling is different about things like the Walking riding a bike hiking and the out door environment .

How can those same ideas become a way of life here ?

JimS
JimS

In the longest view of things, this thing probably is a great accomplishment, because it oficially stamps the Trinity River in Dallas as a recreational resource. That fact alone will trigger tougher environmental standards, state and federal, which will help along the process of returning the river to a habitable condition. Sure, there are legitimate concerns about this thing. The health worry is big. It's not a place for people with immune systrem that are compromised in any way. I hope those waves are safely navigable by families in canoes. They may be. I just don't know. The biggest effect is psychological and cultural -- getting people to think of the river as a river instead of a sewer. Who knows? Maybe Dallas will even wake up to what a terrible thing it would be to build an expressway on top of it. The Gail Thomases who pushed this thing were right about it. Too bad they had to sell out so badly on the road in order to get it.

Bluecollar41
Bluecollar41

Thank God there will be less people on water for sessions.& thank God the people who are there will want to be there & either in a learning, or teaching role, be part of a community that protects, loves & shares the outdoors in all its virtues.

Cp, you have been against this & us for sometime. If they had firepits for your dutch ovens you would be on it like hot pink spandex on an 80's climber. Yes, there seems to be two paddeling groups & I bet my life & would rather swim a sewer with my group than yours in filtered 2cfs any month of the year.I drive & spend thousands of miles & spend thousands of dollars a year to paddle in Texas & in other states. You better believe I'll be here spending my money with local venders now more than ever.

My name is Nick Burton from Paris Texas, SYOTR my friends, & I'll see the haters on the banks.

Ben
Ben

Great to see people using the new Standing Wave. Over the past 6 months or so I have casually followed the construction progress of the project. I train on a mountain bike down there quite a bit on the Trinity between Downtown south to I-20. The construction site was a great place to cross the river without using a vehicle bridge. A couple people even managed to post my videos here during different phases of construction. I often wondered where I would pick up 400-500 views overnight and would track it back to Unfair Park. There must be alot of interest among Dallasites for the Trinity River Project.

My concern is a note that someone dropped on one of my youtube videos a couple days ago. Like others here, I have been fortunate enough to ride the new standing wave. I don't know alot of people in that rather small paddling community so unsure who to share this with:

A city engineer (Mr. Lim, not a paddler) thinks the eddy current is too strong. He wants to obstruct it with riprap projections. I could see where a riprap ramp along the s.w. edge of the pool might facilitate take-out, but feel that the safest eddy pool is a large, unobstructed one where paddlers can stage.

Someone posted that under a youtube video of mine. I consider myself somwhere between an advanced novice to rusty intermediate paddler and had no real issues tackling the wave(s) at 1000cfs. I think it would be a great injustice to neuter the brand new standing wave with a bunch of rip rap. I think that Mr Lim needs to have some really detailed reasons for his position discussed openly with the public before potentially ruining something that has yet to really be broken in. Just thought I needed to pass that on and hopefully someone in that small fraternity of paddling folks in DFW can get the message.

Bruce
Bruce

Cp - You say that you are a whitewater paddler, but then say "those hydraulics created by those two waves will kill some kids". If you really are a whitewater paddler AND know anything about river hydrology (many paddlers don't), then you should know that those are "friendly" hydraulics and by themselves will not kill anyone. People would flush straight through them. I have not seen the features in person but it's very clear from watching the video (if you know what to look for). Someone could get killed there, as they could be killed in any other waterway. t would be because they're drunk, stupid, not able to swim, not wearing a lifejacket, or any combination of those and other factors. It would NOT be because those are "killer" hydraulics. Far from it.

Patrickcavanbrown
Patrickcavanbrown

Wow. What happened to you people? Bunch of wimps. Texas used to be filled with do-ers, not whiners. Creating those waves will actually make that river safer... Eddies and rocks and ledges provide folks oportunities to get out of the water, while a slippery grass slope does not. And your keyboard probably has more fecal matter on it per square inch than that river. Flipit, spot on on the Pantone code.

ihavequestions
ihavequestions

OMG! did he really put his face in the river?!? Has he gone blind yet?!?Did his tongue fall out?!?Can we go down there, take a dip and then "lawyer up" on the city for hazmat contamination?

jeeze louise
jeeze louise

Yes, Flipit, I understand that there are experienced kayakers that will use it & survive, but what about inexperienced ones? It's not like there will be a lifeguard or staff to help out if someone gets in trouble. Those are the people I worry about.

I applaud you for taking responsibility for your own actions, but not everyone - or their families - are like that & I'm wondering if the city can be sued should something go wrong.

TrinityRiverParkVisionary
TrinityRiverParkVisionary

my cocaine and fake boob friends will enjoy taking the solar powered water taxis from the ghost bar down to go kayaking in this sewer pit!!!

cry_carrasco
cry_carrasco

when will the whole project be completed? its looks like fun. minus the fact that yes its the trinity. but hopefully this helps push people to clean the river up :)

BigDaddyD
BigDaddyD

A few more things I should mention. There are urban whitewater parks throughout the country. Denver, Reno, Malvern (AR), San Marcos (TX), and many other cities have them. These facilities provide recreation for their citizens, attract visitors and help beautify their cities. It has so much more to offer than just a wave for kayakers. Here are additional uses for the Standing Wave:

1) Fire and Rescue Units from around North Texas will be able practice swift water rescue and safety in a controlled environment. They definitely should take advantage of this.

2) Youth groups such as the Boy Scouts and Girls Scouts can learn whitewater safety, practice boating/canoeing skills on moving water and earn merit badges.

3) The general public will become properly educated to water safety and the importance of wearing life vests, etc. Most drowning occur due to ignorance or not heeding basic safety principles. I think it will actually help save lives.

4) It will introduce a lot of people to a fun activity that has not been previously available in Dallas. Ice hockey wasn't always available in Dallas. It's very popular now.

5) It will bring more economic activity to that part of town and draw paddlers from out of town and state.

6) It will be a venue for Stand Up Paddle Surfers, boogie boarders and wake surfers, as well. These sports are also using the WW parks around the country.

7) And lastly, it will provide Dallas with something more than movie theaters, restaurants and malls.

I sure I'm overlooking others.

Robert
Robert

G daddy,

You can't hold the people who built the standing wave responsible for the polution of the trinity. If anything kayakers in the water are a very compelling reason for the city and state to start enforcing environmental controls over and against the actual sources of the pollution. If we started treating every polluted body of water as a an unresolveable hazard there would be no white rock lake. Granted it took years to clean up white rock lake and it will take years to clean up the trinity. Yet... Neglecting rivers, doesnt clean them up. Why should we as Dallas citizens be content with a sewer, if we could get a river. The white water park is just one step in a long process to clean up our city.

Oak Cliff Townie
Oak Cliff Townie

http://www.star-telegram.com/2...

You are going to need more than a wet suit .

But I think those who do this here will greatly contribute to Medical Science both in Normal health issues and breakthroughs in treating Chemically caused skin rashes and reproductive problems Maybe even aid in the developing Both making of and antidote to Weapons of Mass destruction . And fictional TV Shows like HOUSE MD.

Carry on !

Flipit
Flipit

G_David, I believe the water color is about a Pantone 465C.

Jeeze Louise (Debbie), kayakers do this all over the world every day. We generally take responsibility for our own actions, so, no.

cbs
cbs

Suck on that Schutze. Let the Trinty project roll on.

BigDaddyD
BigDaddyD

FYI, those are dry tops and wet suits to keep you warm. And the wave is very friendly and will be ideal for beginners to learn as well as advanced paddlers.

No Pay To Play
No Pay To Play

Can't wait til they see what the fee will be for an hour. Hazmat suit rentals will be pricey.

jeeze louise
jeeze louise

I'm not a paddler, but I guess this struggle against rushing, rough water in a flippable small plastic craft might appeal to some. Not to go all "Debbie Downer" here, but is the city at all responsible for injury or death?

G_David
G_David

I'm sure this is awesome for the .04% of the population that's brave (and skilled) enough to don a hazmat uniform and get in the Trinity. What the hell color is that water, anyway?

Flipit
Flipit

No skateboards or rollerblades. And no shallow conversation in the deep end.

Eng, I have already done a search on Craigslist for a surf board. Don't know the proper length for this type of feature. Suggestions? Boogieboarding should prove to be fun. We will be testing that out soon...

Flipit
Flipit

OCT, I think you just hit on the crux of the issue here. It seems as though the less people get out in nature, the less respect they have for it. Therefore, they don't care about it and they don't take care of it. Living in a large metromess like DFW (I am a Dallas native, btw) really isolates people from the outdoors. It is a perpetually downward spiral. This project is a step in the direction for awareness of those issues. We as paddle sports enthusiasts are passionate about the outdoors. Therefore we will take the risks to jumpstart the process. You should all come down to the Grand Opening and check this out. CP, I'll have a hot dog on the grill with your name on it.

Ben
Ben

Something to think about: The Trinity River as it passes through Dallas is no more polluted than the Rio Grande as it passes through Big Bend which many consider as a world class whitewater destination. Out of the half dozen people that I know who have gone out on the Standing Wave, no one has gotten sick or even a sniffle. Alot of the water flowing down the Trinity through downtown between the levees comes from water released from area lakes. Lewisville, Mountain Creek, Grapevine, Benbrook.

On the north side of the structure is a canoe bypass. Cub Scouts in canoes could negotiate the bypass without much issue during normal river flow. It is slow enough that fish can swim up it. I saw a river carp swim up the canoe bypass a couple weeks ago. No problem.

CP
CP

Nick, you threw me with that dutch oven reference. To what does that apply? If you are implying that I use them, then I have news for you - I don't know squat about cooking and have never used a dutch oven in my life.

Also, I have not been against "this & us for sometime." In fact, I just commented about this a few days ago for the first time ever. Are you confusing me with somebody else? I am certainly not against this project for any reason other than it is in the middle of a highly polluted stream. I regularly attend TCEQ meetings on water quality all over the state, and if you know anything about what they do, then you know that their water quality sampling program identifies the most urgent, not all, pollution issues. There are many type of contamination in that water, and just because somebody plays in it one or two times without getting sick does not mean that they are not incubating an illness that will later seriously sicken or kill them. For instance, cancers from PCB exposure may take 10-20 years to materialize. That does not mean the damage was not done when there was no apparent damage. It only means that just because you are not sick today does not mean that you will not be sick tomorrow.

Geez, I'm sorry if discussing facts throws you people into such a tizzy. My original statements dealt strictly with the facts, and you guys responded with a series of ad hom attacks to which I responded in kind. Get over it!

CP
CP

Well, Brucey, I cannot imagine young kids wearing PFDs, they probably (hopefully) are not drunk, they may be stupid, they may not be good, strong swimmers, but it takes a total idiot to apply what I said to experienced paddlers without realizing that most of those who play in those waters will not be trained and experienced kayakers.

Perhaps you need to visit the waterpark in Fort Worth or San Marcos to get an idea of the ratio of young kids to experienced kayakers in those places so that you can get a grasp on the proportion of young kids that will be playing in the wave this summer.

I swear to god, you people must have already been drinking that Trinity water because your brains apparently are not functioning at a very high level. Your comprehension is that of a person with a low double digit IQ.

And, since you have not actually seen the wave how can you even begin to comment on its safety or hazard ratings?

For the record, a good friend of mine nearly drowned in the hydraulic below the former Hwy. 205 bridge on the Paluxy, and it took a monumental effort to pull him from that little recirc. I have been caught in hydraulics on the Pecos at the low-head dam above Dead Man Canyon and below some drops on the Devils River, so I do know a thing or two about being in hydraulics and living to talk about it. What's your experience?

Hlasagna
Hlasagna

I'm not a kayayer and I do think it's too expensive but another benefit is that it also aerates the water quite a bit. That's one of the most effective ways to improve water quality downstream.

Cp
Cp

Okay, let's look at some facts. First, that section of the Trinity is rated as one of the three most polluted streams in all of Texas, and its water is rated by EPA and TCEQ as "unsafe for human contact". Is that term somehow hard to comprehend? It seems simple enough to me!

Second, the waters in other streams referenced is much cleaner and much less polluted than the waters of the Trinity.

Third, the E.Coli bacteria counts alone are enough to concern intelligent people. They range up to hundreds of times higher than accepted safe levels for human exposure.

Fourth, it is going to require HAZMAT suits, not paddling gear, to protect paddlers from the water-borne hazards like pathogens, viruses, bacteria, germs and other dangers that thrive in the waters of the Trinity.

Fifth, all one has to do is drive to San Marcos or Fort Worth (also on a tributary of the Trinity) to realize that the vast majority of people who will be playing in those waters will not be kayakers in drytops or drysuits, but rather kids with zero protection (no special suits, no noseplugs, no ear plugs, no goggles - no nothing to keep that filthy water out of their body cavities.

Sixth, it is pure insanity to think that having spent the money to build the wave that our city government will now spend billions of dollars it does not have to clean up the Trinity. That would require banning all animals anywhere near where runoff could carry E.Coli bacteria into the river, and that is an impossibility by any standard. It would also require dredging the dioxins, PCBs and other heavy metal contaminants that have been collecting there for decades.

NEWSFLASH - The City of Dallas is facing a $41 to 96 Million budget shortfall for the next two years. The city will lay off policemen, firemen, sanitation workers and many other people while cutting budgets for almost all city departments. And, if that were not enough the State of Texas is facing a $25 Billion shortfall for the next two year. Rick Perry has already stated that the state will cut funding to cities meaning our real local budget shortfall will be many millions worse, so where in the hell is the money going to come from to clean up the Trinity? Only a lunatic would advocate that our city, the state, or the federal government is going to clean those waters in our lifetimes, which may be a lot shorter for those playing in the Trinity.

Seventh, I ain't parking MY car down there off Corinth and Eight Street! Been down there lately? Who is going to provide security to watch your cars while you play out of sight of your vehicles?

This was a very bad idea promoted by a very small group of self-interested paddlers without regard to any realities other than their own convenience. The city spent $3.3 million of taxpayer money for a facility that will be used by probably 20-30 people, at the most. I am a whitewater paddler, but I would not put my kayak in that water, and I damned sure would not be in it myself. I want to live a little longer and I don't want to die from infections caused by the types of filth that are found in the waters of the Trinity. But, most of all, I don't want to see a bunch of young kids get sick or die because they went there, and if anybody does not realize that those hydraulics created by those two waves will kill some kids, then they are just stupid, insensitive and uncaring. That place is a death trap waiting to claim victims. The fortunate ones will drown and die quickly - the less fortunate will die from environmental exposures and suffer greatly before their demise.

tdent
tdent

"However, the high levels of PCBs and dioxins do not pose a health risk for swimmers or those taking part in recreation, the advisory warning stated".

Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2...

Matt
Matt

No, there are parks like this all over the country and they are all at the user's risk. There is one on the San Marcos River in San Marcos, TX and despite occasional mishaps there have been no claims against the city.

Flipit
Flipit

.04% of 5,300,000 is 21,200. I would say that is a pretty good turnout. Hope the parking lot is big enough.

Refidnasb
Refidnasb

Couple surfers looked at it about two weeks ago. They said the flow needed to be what we guessed was about 1400cfs or higher to really be able to rip it. Still unsurfed as far as I know.

Boogieboard/bodyboard was done out there about 10 days ago on the lower wave by a woman at 1000cfs. Spins, barrel rolls etc. As far as I know she is the only one to ride a boogie board so far. The one she used was purchased 3 hours before at Academy. She has a background in bodyboarding, already had the wetsuit, helmet and a pfd. She was a little apprehensive about playboating and her skillset. Jumped right in with the bodyboard.

Bluecollar41
Bluecollar41

Flip, check out 2imagine.netit is corran addisons (riot, draggorossi) surf shoptons of info & boards for river usebe glad to see everybody soon, cheersnbptmf

cp
cp

Yes he's confusing you with me. Although for the record, I have never had an opinion one way or another about the Standing Wave.

Matt
Matt

Making sensational claims that this place is a death trap that will kill some kids is not a factual statement. So yeah, if you don't want people getting in a "tizzy" over your comments then you should lay-off the pandering.

Mike
Mike

You are not only a pussy...but also a pompous ass who likes to run his mouth online...You want some facts?

1. the water is dirty2. the waves are safe3.you have no friends4.you will never be a part of our paddling group5.the people you are insulting are some of the nicest guys I have ever met and dam fine boaters. 6.did I mention you were a pussy7.I would hate to see the pussy you eat...(you think the river is nasty) 8.you want to discuss this and try to insult someone...then lets go have a beer and see how brave you really are.P.S. I live on the Paluxy so S.Y.O.T.R.

JTarver295
JTarver295

My experience on it is I know enough about whitewater to avoid low head dams at all cost. Apparently you missed that class if you managed to jump into one. And who are these kids that you're so worried about . Aimless vagabonds looking to drown themselves publicly with no family or friends around? You have been firing off factless rants about that every time. If you're so worried about them, I suggest you grab a throw rope ( you did have that class I hope) and be their soggy savior. I don't know about your paddling group, but most everyone I boat with helps anyone in distress. We save multiple people each year if they do happen to get in over their head. Most are of course, drunk, lifejacketless, or doing something stupid. The difference is, if they do it with a bunch of kayakers /canoeists around, they've got a good chance of living through it, as opposed to doing it somewhere noone can or would help them. Mull that one over.

Bruce
Bruce

Cp - You're an idiot. I've been paddling whitewater for 20 years (thanks for the props Matt). I've paddled all the rivers you mentioned (Devil's, Pecos, Paluxy) and many more all over the country. As Flipit said somewhere else, "Never argue with a fool, people may not know the difference..." So with that in mind, and at risk of playing the fool myself, I'm still going to reply to your response to my post, and then I'm done. You can continue the idiocy if you want.

First of all, don't call me "Brucey" you asshole. You have no right to call me by anything but my given name (Bruce Litton). I repeat what I said above - adults, kids, dogs, rats, idiots, etc. will not drown because they get caught in those "killer" hydraulics. It will not happen, and if you had an ounce of river sense you would know that. I have visited the water parks in Fort Worth and San Marcos, and I'm certain it's been many more times than you. Kids go nuts, do really stupid things, have fun, and don't get killed by the "man-eating" hyraulics. You have decent points about the water quality. No one can argue that it's great and people (or their parents) will make their own choices on whether they want to get in the river. I was (and still am) simply responding to your ridiculous statement that kids will die from those "hydraulics from hell". Making that statement shows you're an idiot, a troll, or both. I comprehend exactly what you said, and (can I say this enough?) you're wrong. You're right that I have not seen the wave in person (as I admitted), but it doesn't take a whitewater genius to see on the video that those are not "keep you til you die" hydraulics. If you know what to look for and to look at it's actually quite easy to tell from a video or even a picture. I have been in many hydraulics and it's not too difficult to tell which ones are friendly and which are not. If you want to learn spend more time on the river learning from those who know, or if you would rather not do that pick up a copy of "Kayak" by William Nealy. I'm fully qualified to comment on the "hazard rating" by seeing the video. You have no idea what my experience is. Suffice to say that it's a lot more than yours when it comes to whitewater and evaluating the hazards on a river.

Matt
Matt

You probably just asked one of, if not the most, experienced boaters in the state of Texas for his repertoire (that being Bruce). These drops have nothing in relation to the type of hydraulic created by a low-head dam. Seriously, if you are so inept at visually assessing the risk associated with these features than you shouldn't comment.

In response to your response to me;

A recirculating eddy would be one with enough force to inhibit somebody from escaping or moving in such a way that it feeds you back into the hole. Just because you haven't seen one doesn't mean they don't exist. I also said nothing of sorts that implied I thought you were referring to the potential for kayakers to be killed here fuckface, maybe you should check your reading comprehension. And no, these features will not kill anybody capable of swimming, there is a ton of outflow. Maybe a kid on a tube will get stopped and get flipped over, but they will flush through everything.

As I already mentioned, of the numerous whitewater parks throughout the country (including San Marcos), with features that are infinitely more dangerous than those at the Dallas park, I am unaware of any deaths due to drownings from a non-boater (that includes kids) being trapped in a hydraulic built for kayakers.

For those that are just casually reading, this Cp dude is not a kayaker and is a troll. No kayaker would wish death on another nor would they be as ignorant as this dude about these features, especially with a lifetime of experience.

JTarver295
JTarver295

Cp, you don't sound like a whitewater paddler. You sound more like the "Boy in a bubble" trying to protect yourself against "all them evil killin type germs and cooties". Instead of boistering about your intelligence, let's see the studies you've conducted on the water quality, and not something you can quote from a newspaper. I live 5 hours away and I plan on coming down to paddle ( with the other 20 people that will be using the entire park). I don't worry about all those horrible pollutants nearly as much unless I've conducted the research myself ( which I might do for fun while there), as I'm educated enough to do it. You worry about your car, your body cavities, and the unmitigated throngs of innocent bystander children that will perish horribly in the Monsoon-esque torrents of the whitewater park...and we will worry about physically getting off our asses to pick up trash and debris, arrange clean up/paddle events, and maintain a vigil with regards to stricter water regulations and clean water bills, etc. To quote those earlier, ignoring a rivers contaminants will not make them go away, nor will bitching about it. If you're really as concerned as you say, then I should think you'd be the first to start a letter campaign, organize a clean up, or do anything that would make even a small difference to a place you might grow to love, if only you weren't terrified of it.I hope this finds you free of Ecoli, heebie jeebies, creepy-crawlies, or the like. I also hope you try to make a positive difference in your community by helping, and not just bashing.Peace,Joe T.

Matt
Matt

You must be the biggest pussy of a whitewater paddler ever.Those hydraulics will not kill people. You clearly haven't been in a hole before. There are no dangerous recirculating eddies, there is no down-stream boil that will feed people back into the hole, the hole is not depressed, and there is a ton of OUTFLOW at the surface (and probably even more underwater). Seriously, what do you run? Just because you have paddeld the Red River in a whitewater kayak that doesn't make you a whitewater kayaker.

Of the numerous whitewater parks throughout the country, with features that are infinitely more dangerous than those at the Dallas park, I am unaware of any deaths due to drownings from a non-boater being trapped in a hydraulic built for kayakers. These parks are designed by professional engineers to be fun, I guarantee they keep in mind that these places are easy for anyone (from beginner to pro to non-boater) to access; e.g., these places are not just designed for super sick boaters with no regard for the idiots out there who will likely try and tube it.

You know I would much rather see kids accepting the slight health risk associated with playing at the Dallas park than living a complacently sedentary lifestyle like our society is so happy to push on young people who don't fit into the team sports arena. If this place becomes somewhere some kids can boogie board during the summer than that is awesome. A recreational interest that previously didn't exist may help spark personal efforts to improve the water quality or even just raise the level of public awareness on the state of the Trinity River. No one is asking for anyone to invest millions of dollars.

Robert
Robert

CP,

I'm flattered you think that a small group of white water padlers has so much political clout as to be able to divert millions of dollars from the city for the purpose of our own recreational convenience.

I agree with you that the water quality of the trinity is something to be ashamed about, but so are all the other rivers we paddle WHEN we paddle them. Typically we paddle when it rains, that means we are paddling when the EPA is NOT testing for water quality. We are paddling at the same time when the runoff from our cars on our parking lots get flushed into a tributary. There is nothing nastier then urban storm water and there is NO DATA on this. Yet, that is exactly when we strap the kayaks on our cars and we seal dive into a flooding river. It's awesome and it's not clean. But we have no choice. That's the only time we can get a water feature for us to practice on a few hours at most. It's probably is not the healthiest thing, but we love it.

With the Trinity Standing Wave, paddlers suddenly have a choice we never had before: the ability to practice in Texas when it's not flooding. There is a tremendous amount of water that flows through our city every single hour and it's a lot cleaner than the water we would encounter during a storm flood after a heavy rain. Sure, it's no public swimming pool quality but its suddenly the best choice available to us.

By far the worst polluted stream we have is rowlett creek WHEN it rains. It's probably as close to you can get to an open sewer. Compared to this the Trinity at normal water levels is clean. The awesome thing about the Trinity Standing Wave is that they designed it well, for regular non-flooding water levels. By the way, the Trinity is classified as unsafe for EXTENDED human contact, not all human contact as you suggest. Please check your sources. It's not going to require HAZMAT suits of any kind. Your just scaring people with those statements.

Back in 2001, I was on the rowing team at SMU. During that time they were dredging white rock lake and there was DEAD fish everywhere. Dredging of the lake unleashed years of toxins. In the last few years, I've seen white rock lake restored. It didn't happen overnight and it had some many positive side effects. If you would have claimed in 2000 that it was stupid to clean up a lake for the recreational benefit of just of just a few water sports teams I might have agreed with you. However, a healthy lake translate into so much more. Just looking at the property values around white rock, and the recreational value for so many other sports, I truly believe that cleaning up your community makes economic sense. I can't prove this, but if you are willing to talk to me years from now we can discuss this again. I'll be happy to admit if I was wrong or not then. Now, neither one of us knows how all of this will turn out. I'm just willing to have some faith and hope that we can make the places we live in better. It's sad that we let the Trinity get so polluted. It's going to take years.

I appreciate your criticism, now lets try to figure how we as citizens can make a difference. I think this video rocks. It's very good and when I look at it, I see glimmer of hope that people are trying to transform the Trinity. This video was not made as a PR stunt from the city. It was made by a few individuals that PASSIONATE about white water. Nobody got paid to do this. It's just fun and games.

G_David
G_David

I meant .04% of the kayaking population.

Matt
Matt

Sweet comeback dude.

CP
CP

Well, they say that you are what you eat, so I may well be a pussy, but I do not paddle the Red River. In fact, I have paddled the Paluxy from Bluff Dale to the Brazos confluence at 1,900 cfs. I have paddle the Hailstone and Upper Buffalo (Boxley to Ponca) at about 9 feet on the Ponca gauge (zero air space under the bridge and water flowing over it.) I have paddled the Lower Canyons of the Rio Grande at 7 feet and 15 feet. I have paddled The Numbers, The Fractions, Brown's Canyon and The Royal Gorge on the Arkansas at about 2,000 cfs. I could go on, but I think you get my point.

I was not talking about those hydraulics killing kayakers, you numbnutz! I was talking about them killing little kids who go down there in the summer and get caught in those hydraulics. Apparently, your are either too ignorant or too obtuse to be able to read for comprehension. Go back and try again.

And, pray tell, exactly what are "dangerous recirculating eddies"? Eddies are the quiet water areas away from hydraulics. Apparently, yuo don't know nearly as much as you pretend to know. let me guess - you are a 20-something with a "lifetime of experience in whitewater."

I stand by every word I stated, and the EPA and TCEQ ratings are NOT stated as "unsafe for extended human contact", as another commenter said. It is clearly stated as "unsafe for human contact". Trying to re-write the safety warning is just you guys trying to put the best face on a hazardous situation to rationalize what you are doing.

Look, I am not saying that any of you had any influence in this matter. To the contrary, I doubt that you had any influence at all. That was Mayor Leppert and City Manager Suhm doing what they do best - trying to appease people about the arrogant and irresponsible way they spend our money.

And, I don't really care if you get sick or die from exposure to that water. You are big boys and you can make your own choices. My concern is for children who are not aware of the dangers and who end up being sickened or killed by playing in the filthy waters of the Trinity.

Further, it is an idiot who believes that ALL streams after a rain are as nasty as the Trinity. But, by all means go for it! Immerse yourselves to your little hearts' content. Meanwhile, I'll just keep eating pussy and be what I eat! After you die I might be eating your wife's pussy!

Now Trending

Dallas Concert Tickets

From the Vault

 

General

Loading...