By Chasing Robert Groden from Dealey Plaza, City Hall Conspires to Make Dallas Look Asinine

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Let's not even get into the underlying issue of whether Robert Groden should be able to sell his books and magazines about the Kennedy assassination on Dealey Plaza downtown. Just for grins, let's put that to one side.

What gets me is the extreme Vladimir Putin-style in-your-face we're-not-even-embarrassed-by-it thug-ocratic stupidity of the way the city has gone after him.

The city says Groden can't sell Kennedy assassination literature in Dealey Plaza without a special Dealey Plaza Literature Sales Permit (DPLSP). Groden doesn't have one.

Why doesn't he have one? I mean, if that's what you have to have, why doesn't the guy go over to City Hall, fill out the necessary paperwork, pay the fee and get himself a DPLSP? What is he, a hard-head?

No, that's not the problem. The problem is that there is no such thing as a DPLSP. There is no paperwork you can fill out, no fee you can pay. The city does not, cannot and will not provide anyone with a Dealey Plaza Literature Sales Permit.

But you better have one. If not, they'll ticket you, fine you, shut you down and run you out of town.

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Robert Groden
Now do you get it? We've got a floor full of lawyers over at City Hall in the process of appealing a ruling by a judge who decided in Groden's favor in December and again last week. I would summarize the judge's opinion in the case as: WTF. And I think the city's position in response to the ruling could be summarized as FU.

There are so many questions I could ask. Does it occur to anyone that this kind of official behavior may be related to the problem of downtown Dallas being a dead zone? Does the city of Dallas not mind looking like an ass? Is this not some kind of criminal behavior by the city, like official oppression, that could result in charges against city officials?

But I'm not asking those questions. Forget those questions. I just wind up with the same question the judge did. WTF?

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Tab
Tab

I want to sale some stuff down there also. How can I get in on this Sales Venue?

MortgageGuy
MortgageGuy

It's not that the permit doesn't exist, it's just that you apparently do not know the proper procedures to obtain one. This is not the City's fault - they are very cleary printed on the bottom of the permit.

Comrade Joe
Comrade Joe

I remember back in the '80's when we gloated about how much better we in America had it over those red-devils in the Soviet Union. Oh well, they'll probably drop this after the Super Bowl.

Phelps
Phelps

I thought that the whole tax stamp on drugs thing hashed this out in the courts. If you require a permit, you have to actually issue permits, and you can't make getting the permit a crime. The end.

NewsDog
NewsDog

Jim,Maybe Groden should get the DLPSP from the same place you got your Press pass and then see what happens.

Guest
Guest

More big government, nanny state liberalism.

Where in the Constitution does it say that people can't sell stuff in Dealey Plaza?

John_McKee
John_McKee

He is selling this right? If he was giving it out for free in orderly manner I would take issue with the city kicking him out, if he is running a business the city has a right to decide when and were people can conduct said business on public property.

His speech is not being violated, he has the right to speech and as far as I am aware even distribute the same material, he just can't charge for it which seems like a perfectly reasonable rule to have lest Dealey Plaza turn into a flea market.

whodunit
whodunit

These actions are indicative of a city that has no heart, no ethics, no morality, no leadership, and way too many lawyers. Shameful!

Ellum08
Ellum08

Robert, I will pay you $20 or a lunch at Maple and Motor to never run that picture of Schutze again.

It creeps me out. Big time.

HILLLBILLLE
HILLLBILLLE

HEY BIG BROTHER NOTICE THE FEAR IN THEIR EYES

Don Abbott
Don Abbott

With the 50th anniversary coming fast, we better figure this out. Besides, what else is there to do downtown? As soon as you can explain a patriotic strip-joint owner to me, I'll accept the lone-nut, world-class shot theory.

scott
scott

Yes, very much like walking up to someone's face and saying, "get out of my face." Is it constitutional to prevent someone from standing, freely engaging in conversation, and offering to sell a book on your person? Once you seek to advertise, set up props, merchandise or something else, I see code violation issues. But, don't we essentially have a Constitutional right to sell our thoughts if someone should be so inclined to pay?

JimS
JimS

Phelps: that's only in America.

JimS
JimS

Great idea, Newsdog. In fact, I forgot to mention that I actually am able to distribute DLPSPs to properly authorized persons for a very reasonable sum, with a quite attractive discount for persons who buy more than 50.

whodunit
whodunit

If it is "public property", doesn't that mean it also belongs to Groden? For the sake of public safety and "control", all of which we have delegated to the government (the City in this case), I don't have a problem with the city having a permitting process so long as it is not burdensome and costly. But, it is clearly wrong to require a permit when no permit is available, unless of course you live in OZ.

J. Erik Jonsson
J. Erik Jonsson

Too many lawyers maybe, but no good ones. The City of Dallas gets terrible legal service, and unfortunately, this seems to hold true whether it handles its legal matters in house or through outside counsel. The City has racked up a string of defeats a mile long.

cp
cp

I think that's the whole point of the pic....

Alice Riggins
Alice Riggins

Jim, I'm a local Tour Guide and last June I was also photographed and warned by a policeman for doing tours on the grassy knoll. After meeting with Deputy Golbeck, he said his officer made a mistake and they were after the homeless guys who were threatening visitors in Dealey Plaza.

What really pisses me off these days, is that I'm trying to showcase Dallas to our out of town visitors and those Syria protestors in Dealey Plaza are distracting my clients. We can't unload our buses due to "street closures" for their cause. My question is what can it solve protesting in our public places about the issues of Syria? I told a woman the other day in Dealey Plaza who was dressed is her garb to get the hell off our grounds. My delivery was that of a true southern belle with the smile and everything...the look on her face was priceless!

John_McKee
John_McKee

I think that is a silly argument, by the same argument I could set up a business selling DVDs in City Hall or the Public Library or rent out sports equipment at public parks. Why would Dallas Citizens need to pay to set up a booth at the Farmers Market, it is "our" property too.

whodunit
whodunit

Hmmmmmmm..............maybe our justice system is working pretty good?!

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