Bar Owners On Edge Following Another Armed Robbery. But DPD Has One Suspect in Custody.

Dallas2015

there is more going on here than just bar robberies, there were a number of late night robberies targeting property in the fall, including storage units and closed businesses. could be the same crew or a related crew growing more bold, looking for big cash scores.

This is not a problem I want solved by a barback with a glock.

Nor do I want citizens eyeing each other, one finger on the trigger, searching for the boogie man.

Vigilant citizens and effective policework are what we need.

Hostility is not what we need.

tkd

Hey Everyone...I know it's Illegal to carry a gun as a patron in a bar, as I have a Criminal Justice degree from Texas State. I'm talking about the owners and security having a weapon to PROTECT and PREVENT this from happening. If potential criminals knew that the owners or security of any of these bars had guns, think they would have tried to rob the place? Read this link and might help explain where I stand. It's short and to the point.

http://www.ksat.com/news/96991...

I digress:

Ms. T: I certainly don't value $$ over human life. But I certainly value my life and liberty more than a criminal of this nature (violent crime). By taking the action of walking into MY property and holding a gun to MY head demanding MY belongings, how much do you think they value MY life??? why shouldn't I extend them the same "courtesy?" Just like the robbers that hold people to gunpoint at ATM machines, make them empty their acct, then they blast them anyway. Should one say, I value your life more than my hard earned money, so take it? Now one gets to be a dead, defenseless martyr. I'd rather die fighting... However, i absolutely respect all opinions, just may not agree :)

Oak Cliff T: I appreciate the advice, but I can't imagine law enforcement hauling me off to jail if, God forbid, someone breaks in to my house, tries to kidnap or kill me or my daughter and I use deadly force to protect us, all because of the fact that I have posted comments in this forum. If I was saying something that was illegal, that's one thing. My comments and views are all within the confines of the law.

Final point, If you don't protect yourself from aggressors, who will?

Clark

You have a Criminal Justice degree from Texas State? Holy shit, nevermind. Stop arguing with this guy, people... he's obviously right in everything he says!

Clay

The person who's name is on the TABC license can carry. Is that person going to be present at all hours? I don't think so.

The 'supervisor in charge of operations' can carry-- do I want to be the one who goes to court to find out what qualifies under that exception? No thanks.

Unfortunately, under the current laws it's just not practical.

Biggun

I understand that patrons/drunks can't carry in a bar, but what about bartenders/bar security? Seems like the owner or staff should be able to protect their business.

Or just shoot them outside and then drag them in and sprinkle some crack on 'em....

Grit

Not to jump on the trash-tkd bandwagon, am going to assume he doesn't know this. It is illegal to carry in any bar in the state of Texas, unless you have a badge. Your CHL doesn't carry any weight in a bar, unless you are a sworn LEO, you would be in pretty hot water for getting caught carrying.

Unless this has changed in the last few years, someone tell me I am wrong...

I certainly feel bad for the bar owners and patrons, as, in a bar, you are a sitting duck (see: easy target, the crooks know that it's illegal to carry in bars). The only real defense is diligence of the bar owner, and observant patrons.

Not to say you can't leave your piece in your car outside...

Also, people, Castle Doctrine is in full effect in Texas, your car is an extension of your home, you CAN carry in your vehicle, and you have every right to defend yourself while you are in your home/car.

Stay vigilant people!

ezracallum

The B.A. in Criminal Justice provides a baseline that I think helps anyone going into law enforcement develop the much-needed critical thinking skills. search for "United Forensic College". Today, a degree is pretty much required if you want to move into supervision and management.

tkd

Carry a weapon to defend yourself and your bar. I'm friends with the bartenders/owners/managers at all of these places. Use your 2nd Amendment right and keep a gun and shoot the Fu*kers. Even clerks at stores like 711 will have a gun hidden away. Watch the videos, think those a$$holes that got shot back at are going to try and rob another 711? Hell no! they probably went to those very bars to find a new victim, and apparently it worked. For instance, I don't live in the greatest neighborhood, so if i see something like THAT going on around my place, i guarantee my daughter and my neighbors will be safer the next day when those pieces of $hit try to rob/rape/mug etc. and i blow their head off with my 12 gauge or my .44. The police can't ALWAYS be there when in need. But proper American citizens have the RIGHT to Life AND Liberty, and this, my friends, will ALWAYS be there. protect it.

Guest

TKD Statistically yes a gun is more likley to be involved in a accident than used in self defense but we all know that stats are bullshit besides that lots of people are smarter than the average or median that distored stats are trying to reflect.

People shouldnt forget that if someone is taking your stuff you can shoot their ass, this is still Texas, we all know our DA wont do shit about so called petty criminals. Now this isnt a petty crime sounds like traveling professionals, 3 on 1 might not be a good idea to take on.

Marvin

"lots of people are smarter than the average or median"

I'd say about half are.

Ms. T

I guess I'm just one of those weirdos who thinks money isn't as important as a human life...even a human life I don't particularly care for.

Lakewooder

Unless you got some John Wesley Hardin skills, you might want to re-think confronting 3 - 4 armed robbers.

G_David

Everybody gun owner thinks they're going to be the big hero. It's much more likely to end in tragedy.

Oak Cliff Townie

tkd

You aren't PAUL KERSEY . And you did not spend last night at the Holiday Inn.

12 gauging and .44ing are cool problem solving skills in the film world . And that really isn't recommended if you are not equipped with a Badge... or have Attorney on speed dial in the area some us might call it the "REALITY" in which we all live.

And you might want to pray to which ever Deity you worship that if you ever use Deadly force the local law enforcement never gets wind of the above post.

If you are going to Talk about your 2nd amendment rights it would be wise to be proactive and invoke your 5th amendment rights as to how you will be using them .One gun owner to another heed this free advice . What you don't say now you won't have to explain later.