Former Loews Cityplace to Become a Kroger. With or Without Booze, That is the Question.
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Well, at least now we know what they're planning to build on the site of the former Loews Cityplace, which has been shuttered for almost two years: It's slated to become a Kroger. So says this morning's briefing to the council's Economic Development committee, which now has to wrestle with the fact that the grocer wants to stock its coolers with alcohol ... only problem is, see, the Kroger will be "within 300 feet" of Alex W. Spence Middle School, and Dallas City Code (and Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code) says you can't sell booze that close to a school. Now, the council could vote to allow for a variance if, per the briefing, it "determines [an exception] is in the best interest of the community." So we'll see. On a related note, I'm pretty sure attending Spence in the early 1980s is what led me to start drinking in the first place.
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I work in the neighborhood, it'll be good to finally see that lot used for something besides broken concrete, a dog lavitory and Jr. High Fightclub Royal Rumble
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 9:45AMA Kroger’s in City Place that does not sell booze would be like a Fiesta that doesn't sell tomatillos.
Meanwhile, back in Monday's urban jungle: Who knew Wilonsky was a Spence alum?
Robert I also attended Alex Spence (then called Jr. High) and it was my Vietnam. My favorite memory being the gun shot and dying Latino Exall gang member at the 8th grade 'Howdy Dance'. Or was it when I was jumped in the restroom at that dance. Or was it when Angel Torres pulled a switchblade on me in the cafeteria when I chose that slice of Boston crème pie he had already 'marked' as his. Or was it the (thwarted) sexual assault in the wood shop class that demonstrated my mahogany coffee table's versatility?
Pre-Observer PS: Nothing EVER reported in the newspapers and no police intervention ever that I recall.... Just Lord of the Flies baptism days at Carroll and Capital.
I thought this was the site for Cityville at Cityplace. Have those plans changed or will Kroger be one part of this development?
http://www.ucrurban.com/property_uploads/200812171440430.cityville%20at%20cityplace.pdf
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 9:54AMYes, because hookers, drug dealers and homeless crackheads ALWAYS go to the Krogers to get their 40oz fixes of malt liquor.
The point of the rule of not having alcohol sales within 1,000 of a church or school is so that our children and god-fearing won't be so easily indoctrinated into the corrupting influences of vice and avarice that the likes of "the drink" can bring upon them.
But hey, let's look at South Dallas, where Pearl C Anderson is a stone's throw from a dozen liquor stores. How many have been granted SUP's? It will be interesting to hear the fight at 1500 Marilla over this: if a grocery store can't be given an SUP for beer and wine sales in East Dallas, but liquor stores in South Dallas get them all the time.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 10:09AMI used to buy quarts of Miller from the Good Luck station on Ross Ave. in the morning before class at the Arts Magnet.
This was in the 70's when the drinking age was 18.....and way before I had any kind of drinking problem.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 10:14AMI hope they don't allow beer and wine sales there. You know, because the Target that's 100 yards further from the school might have some competition for its alcohol sales. Besides, if they develop this, Dallas will start running out of cleared/raped land awaiting development.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 10:18AMSeeing the surroundning neighborhoods are getting "gentrified" in that way Dallas can only do (i.e. build a nice townhome next to a crackhouse) not to mention the target across the street is starting to sell groceries accordingly, I could see Kroger moving in and selling beer/wine accordingly.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 10:26AMLoews CityPlace should never have pulled out in the first place. It was so convenient for those of us who live around Uptown.
Though, I must admit, it had become a gangland theatre...dirty...rundown...and with extremely lazy workers who didn't seem happy to work there.
A Kroger Marketplace like the one off Mockingbird would be wonderful! Not selling alcohol would be just silly. Why waste your time?
Though, anything would be better there than the waste of space that is Albertson's on McKinney. Talk about a disgusting store. Dirty, always way-packed...not enough checkers...and evidently the same employees from the old Loews...equally displeased to work there.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 10:31AMI was also under the impression that this would be Cityville @ City Place as depicted "coming soon" here: http://www.cityville-apts.com/apartment_communities/cityvilleCityPlace-Dallas/index.html
A friend of mine moved into the neighborhood just days ago and was told the Cityville project was still scheduled. Hopefully we'll have a unique mixed-use building here and not just another grocery store.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 10:33AMJE, Just curious as someone who grew up in that neighborhood. Re: the friend of yours you say 'moved into the neighborhood just days ago'. I'm curious where he or she was told they were moving by their realtor (those who would probably tell a Pentecostal client that the Rapture was likely to take place somewhere above that City Place Target.)
Those I know who moved to my old hood over the years tell ME where I grew up according to their realtors (who are never from Dallas); A brief overview of where I grew up according to said realtors:
East Dallas, then late 80s in City Place (proximity), 90s ‘Park Cities adjacent (loved that one) then later 90s they were in Uptown, or Historic State Thomas-East, somewhere briefly in there I heard ‘North Lakewood’ (that buzzard did not fly), “Baylor Hospital Heights” (a Gong Sow winner), and my all time favorite: East Central North Dallas Uptown.
Leave my little Rawlie alone. He is sensitive.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 11:02AMit all depends upon where they are measuring from. is the distance measured from front door to front door? or are they measuring from the rear of the proposed Kroger to the side of Spence? it all really depends
@Rawlins - neighborhood creep is amazing. one need only see how the boundaries of Preston Hollow have been slowly extended way beyond Inwood road and to the Northwest into neighborhoods that were never considered in the past to be part of PH
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Old_Preston_Hollow.JPG
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 11:06AMPlease, it all depends who asks for the variance. Paul Pinnell's place down at One Arts Plaza is licensed to sell wines as a retail store - and it is how close to Booker T?
Meanwhile the rest of us schleps looking for good rent in wet areas aren't given that advantage.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 11:09AMThose of us living up up by LBJ prefer the name Preston Crust to Preston Hollow. And unfortunately we're a very dry crust.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 11:13AMRawlins, I believe he was told he was moving into "Cityplace". I'll ask him to make sure though.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 11:17AMIf the city does anything other than "yes, let's do this" and then moves forward with other business, it's a sham/shame.
But the staff and council will probably require a lot of $$$ to exchange hands to consultants and zoning lawyers, a lot of hot air will explode from our right reverend south dallas preachermen/women on the council about the "the children" - maybe even with a cameo from "I use my cell phone for the children to the tune of $1200 a month" Ron Price - and the poor folks at Kroger will have to get on their knees and promise $$$ to some fund that supposedly supports educimation somewhere in a poor, pitiful part of town that will actually go into the pocket of either a politician's son or pastor.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 11:49AMrw1963:
You must be horribly mistaken. That's the way Dallas City Hall operated back-in-the-day.
Mayor Leppert is taking on really, really harsh ethics reforms...nothing like what you suggested would ever, ever happen again.
Especially after the Don Hill trial...oh no, Mayor Leppert would never allow this type of pay-to-play.
And, when he becomes our next Senator from Texas after Kay-Bay leaves...he's really gonna make sure nothing like this happens in Dallas.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 12:07PMThough, I must admit, it had become a gangland theatre...dirty...rundown...and with extremely lazy workers who didn't seem happy to work there.
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Now, now, Oakparkstudio, the workers were quite cheerful and efficient when they swept the broken glass out of my car and out of Knottybaby's infant car seat the last time I was at that theater. Yes, my car stereo got stolen in broad daylight while I was at a "mommy and me" matinee. Jerks caused more damage breaking the window than the actual stereo was worth, I might add.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 12:21PMOakpark - Really? What was convenient about it? I could have sworn the only reason people went to that theater was to buy dirt weed or beat the ever living piss out of someone far weaker than oneself.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 12:29PMOh, okay.
Yeah, it was convenient to get my Dippin' Dots fix on...and if you felt like getting "jacked" on any given day...even in broad daylight.
Also, it was a real treat to step on popcorn all over the floors and switch seats frequently depending on how "moist" any given chair was.
Oh, don't forget the screaming children brought to "R" rated movies after 10pm.
Yeah, those were the days. Okay, my memory is a little fuzzy...and convenient. Thanks for the corrections.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 12:43PM"I could have sworn the only reason people went to that theater was to buy dirt weed or beat the ever living piss out of someone far weaker than oneself."
That's why I went.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 12:57PMHell, I loved that theater. Every visit was surreal--kind of like watching a movie in an airport bathroom.
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 3:36PMOakparkstudio:
Yeah, somebody brought a six year old to "Zombie Land" the other night. I try not to moralize, and it was a fun movie, but damn!
Posted On: Monday, Nov. 2 2009 @ 5:20PMI hope they do this and don't pussyfoot around...it's fine. I'd rather shop at Kroger than Albertson's anyway, however, I also like beer - so if I can get it all in one stop at Albertson's over Kroger....so be it.
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