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How a Heartwarming, Kick-Ass Father's Day Photo Shoot Ended Up Face Down in Handcuffs on the Addison Airport Tarmac

By Robert Wilonsky, Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 3:33PM
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Danny Hurley
The B24 Liberator offering rides for Father's Day, save for one Observer photographer for whom the name proved ironic at best
Saturday afternoon, friend of the show Danny Hurley sent word that they were offering quite the Father's Day gift out at Addison Airport -- flights on a B-24 Liberator, where everyone calls shotgun. (Pretty cool too, as only two Liberators are still flying). Danny wanted to go out and shoot some photos of the circa-'44 bomber and the men who ponied up for the ride; I told him sure, go 'head, sounds great -- very heartwarming. And, sure enough, he got some awfully nice shots and stories to go with them, as among those taking part yesterday were two men treating their terminally ill stepfather, a Vietnam vet, to a spin in the sky that might just be his last. Danny was collecting several such tales.

But when he sent along his pictures -- which you can see in this terrific slide show -- he noted that, well, he sure wishes he could've come back with more, "but my day was cut short." How so? Well, his version of the day's events follow after the jump. But I''ll provide this small hint: the Department of Homeland Security. Which, if you've ever met Danny, is hilarious. To everyone except Danny.

So, anyway. Danny had been out shooting all morning with the plane's owners and pilot's permission when he suffered a horrible case of photographicus interruptus:
I got an early Father's Day surprise from Homeland Security. It seems the public is not allowed on the tarmac. I thought the tarmac was the cement runway, but it's actually a hundred yards or so on each side.

Waiting for the plane to take off, I was surprised by the Addison police. An officer unholstered his gun, then handcuffed and held me until Homeland Security cleared my name.

I was not arrested, but according to Officer Pierce, I did break federal law and a report would be sent to Homeland Security. I will be hearing from them. I apologized to every one involved. The pilot told me the airport was shut down for a short while.

But according to one of the crew, they had ID'd me as one of theirs, and the tower knew and tried to call it off. But once the wheels were set in motion, it could not be stopped. The pilots were pretty much cool and laughed at me and were even willing to escort me to take more shots. One old-timer gruffed under his breath, "It's the U.S.A., not U.S.S.R. -- I didn't fight to protect this shit." One even offered me his seat on a ride.

However, the officer had asked me to leave, so I did. The police were professional, and I consider myself lucky.
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Heywood U. Buzzoff says:

Just wait for the folks that manage our airport security transfer to the new national health care gigs. Free body cavity search before your colonoscopy!

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 3:48PM
Tim Covington says:

Welcome to the USSA. First, they took away people's ability to fly (if your name appears on a terror watch list) without judicial process. Now, they are wanting to take away people's Second Amendment rights without judicial process(link). What's next? Perhaps they will require everyone on the watch list to wear an identifying symbol (say a yellow crescent). Maybe they will just round up everyone the watch list and put them in camps? After all, they are terrorists, and it is for the children.

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 3:59PM
The Big Guy says:

Though The Big Guy loves Joe Chow, The Big Guy thinks this is total bullshit

As you can see below, The Big Guy went and saw the B-24 and B-17 at Love Field in April - and there was no issue with cameras

http://tinyurl.com/krzzgn

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 4:25PM
THE YOUTH ARE PISSED says:

One old-timer gruffed under his breath, "It's the U.S.A., not U.S.S.R. -- I didn't fight to protect this shit."

And I didn't grow up a moral human being to be subjected to what this is either.... HORSESHIT.

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 4:28PM
jcar says:

Big Guy, read the entry - "I thought the tarmac was the cement runway, but it's actually a hundred yards or so on each side." Photos are OK. Standing on the tarmac...no so much.

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 4:34PM
Coleman says:

another story in a long line of over-the-top "OMG HE HAS A CAMERA ARREST HIM" homeland security bullshit. When's Obama going to shut those assholes down for good?

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 4:41PM
Tim Covington says:

"When's Obama going to shut those assholes down for good?" He's not. He's a politician. And, like all politicians, he likes power. The TSA is another tool that gives politicians the power to control people.

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 4:48PM
The Big Guy says:

@jcar

All The Big Guy can tell you is that there were plenty of people milling about right near the taxiway where the tow bombers were parked, until it was time for them to start flying.

This included The Big Guy getting a thrill of a life time (seriously) being able to climb aboard both the B-17 and B-24 to have a look around

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 4:50PM
Robert Wilonsky says:

@jcar

As you'll notice in the photos from the slide show, Danny had been inside the plane for quite a while, grabbing pics of the pilots and participants, long before he had a pistol aimed at him.

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 4:55PM
luniz says:

if he was an Arab, you'd all be glad.

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 5:25PM
Danno says:

Thanks for the comments guys.
But, I was on the tarmac, after being told not to be, it was my fault. I did not know the legal boundaries, and my ignorance of the Law is no excuse.

For the record, I'm not sure the gun was pointed, once I saw him unholster the gun, my eyes went to reading his lips, as I am quite hard of hearing and I wanted to make sure I understood his commands.

My Dad died 35 years ago, but his wisdom came back in a flash on Fathers Day.
"Right or Wrong" my Dad once said, " Never, Never argue with a Man with a Gun, say Yes Sir, No Sir, then get the hell out of there." He was no pussy, fought and flew in two wars.

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 5:40PM
Sid Nancy says:

luniz

" if he was an Arab, you'd all be glad."

Do you mean Terrorist? Or, are all Arabs Terrorists?

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 5:56PM
Bob says:

Hey, don't knock the security measures at the Addison Airport. After all, since they have been doing this, not one terrorist has struck in Addison. NOT ONE. Don't you feel protected now? And, by the way, you can thank George the W and Dick the Dick for these highly effective security procedures.

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 6:30PM
The Big Guy says:

Dan -

Thanks for the awesome pictures, but please don't let the FACTS get in the way of our righteous indignation, politician bashing, and race-card-playing...

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 7:04PM
Holden McGroin says:

Achtung! Ve haf vays of making you talk. You have relatives in ze old country, no?

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 7:27PM
threefour66 says:

Barney Fife lives!

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 7:39PM
Toots says:

All I know is that I love watching them fly over my house in the spring and fall every year. One of the perks of living in East Dallas.

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 8:26PM
Doug in DFW says:

Curious to see what Carlos Miller of the Photography Is Not a Crime website would say about this.

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 22 2009 @ 8:40PM
George Scott says:

These officers have to have something to do, I certainly wouldn't thank them. Now very likely the photographer is going to be on some of the lesser do not fly lists.

I have a friend on one of the lists whichever list he is on he can still fly but they pull him aside for extra review and have an officer on the plane. After the embarssment of all of that he now drives.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 1:40AM
MushMouth says:

Yet another example of what happens when you give retards a bit of authority.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 3:14AM
Markdeman says:

I was watching a procession in England, London outside Buckingham palace. Some kids tried to take a short cut across the open procession area, a cordoned off zone.
The police told them to get back behind the barricade and go the long way around.
No guns (and there were armed police there, unusual for England), No melodramatic show of force, no overzealous intimidation. Just common sense and a sufficient use of authority.
Would it not have sufficed for the cop to have dealt with the situation instead of escalating matters to such a degree.
You mentioned hard of hearing, so perhaps he did try something before that, but logic seems to have been avoided here.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 4:31AM
David Bruce says:

The police were NOT professional... "he unholstered his gun" - what part of walking a few feet further than allowed necessitates the use or deadly force?

What's he going to do with the gun, it fills up one of his hands and leaves him with only one hand free to do anything. The gun hand only is useful now to shoot someone...

What total cowboys!

The vet was right... that's USSR type tactics.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 7:54AM
mark colenso says:

1984 is a NOVEL, not an INSTRUCTION MANUAL 1

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 8:12AM
Danno says:

DB, by, "he unholstered his gun", I meant that he unlocked it from the holster, and Im pretty sure it was a show of force and a defensive tactic, Im not sure he handled it.
I was there and I do not think he exceeded his authority.

David, the vet was referring to Homeland Security laws, not the Cops Tatics.

Again, I did a stupid thing in the wrong place at the wrong time. The officers were only doing their Job.

Big Guy, ....sitck it to Da Man:)

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 8:21AM
Vernon J says:

You should consider yourself unlucky. Like the Vet said this is The United States of America. YOU had everyone's permission. NOW you are going to be on some bureaucratic list.

I say GO AMERICA!

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 8:44AM
wildfire says:

I wonder how long it will be before he turns up on the no-fly list?

as for when will his highness Obama shut this BS down??? ummm, never??? yeah, that would be my guess.

When Bush 43 came out with the whold idea of "Homeland Security" just the name made me shiver... and sure enough, it seems as if the're turning into quite the goon squad.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 8:49AM
FatSean says:

Unintended consequence of the silly fear-based regulations enacted by the Bush administration after the terrorists killed as many Americans as cars kill in 5 months.

Next time your gov't says it needs to curtail rights and freedoms in the name of safety, change your shorts, be a MAN and say NO.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 8:50AM
C Murray says:

It saddens me beyond words to watch what has happened to America and how it, as an ideal, is dead. The citizenry no longer have any carved in stone rights. The constitution is a concept not a holy law. The terms rights and freedoms have been replaced with a military junta that answers to no one. There was an article the other day about small plane pilots who are regularly pulled from their crafts, searched, ID'd and otherwise subjected to the new American Reich. One man complained to the S.S., you know State Security, DHS. They told him in no uncertain terms that yes they do have the right to do it. No they don't have to answer to him or anyone else. Everyone is sitting around hoping that this will end but it wont. It will only get worse. It has gotten worse every single year since the most anti-American administration in history were first voted in then defrauded the next election. It continues under the audacity of hype sell-out.
Sadly, and seemingly hopelessly it is left to Americans to take back their nation. Just as sadly, as long as everyone is watching Faux news and laughtrack-reality tv then no one cares enough.
I just wish that someone had the decency and courage to hold a funeral for America the ideal. It was the noblest of concepts and it was murdered my a government who is too busy feeding itself.
America, a Haliburton subsidiary corporation. Requiescat in pace.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 9:01AM
Dane says:

DHS and regular old police are turning into a bunch of common thugs. That officer should be fired for pointing his gun at an innocent man (someone he's supposed to be protecting).

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 9:22AM
David says:

Time to end the crisis structures, can the public-private interests and corporate welfare recipients, and fire the fools who perpetuate these stupid bureaus. If the government had been doing its job to begin with, 9/11 wouldn't have happened and your friend would have had a wonderful time with the Liberator.

The DPS is really just another layer of crap intended to protect incumbents, anyway.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 9:23AM
Frostfree Fred says:

Oh, so what? Had they been BART cops you would be dead now.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 9:27AM
beerden says:

But you still bent over and took it. Yeah, I know there was nothing much more you could have done, but the old vet was right: what he thought he was fighting for was for what happened to you on the tarmac to not happen, and also, for citizens like you to not be cowed into complacency by police-state enforcers by years of social conditioning. You should have more rights than that, if I understand your American constitution as it was back in the day when that vet was fighting to protect it. I'm not even an American, but I can see that this constitution has eroded within my lifetime because it is being interpreted through right-wing conservative glasses and twisted into something vile. Thanks for blogging the experience though, more people need to know what kind of crap like this goes on every day in the name of "security" and "freedom".

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 9:32AM
Granulor Hoek says:

Mea culpa's aside, anyone that can be trusted with a firearm in the general population should also have the good judgment to determine what action, if any, is appropriate. The main beef is not that you unknowingly stepped onto someone's definition of the tarmac, but the failure of the security organization to act judiciously. The police are people, too. People make mistakes. That we should not, politely, point out when a mistake has been made is a mistake in and of itself.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 9:39AM
former American says:

This is why I felt very little loss when I left the US for good (except for visits).

There simply isn't much left of what my dad fought for in WWII....he fouhgt for 50-odd years of freedom, but it's now over.

Here in rural Japan, (which has far more laws and less official rights) I have way more day-to-day freedom to just BE. I commit 10 acts a day that would have me arrested in the US....riding a bike without a helmet, chatting with teenage girls on the way to work, taking pictures of ships at the wharf just to name a handfull.

The US is over. I guarantee he is on the no-fly list and will NEVER get off it. SO much for Hope and Change.

I'm glad I left.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 9:44AM
Interested says:

I am pretty sure that the small leather/nilon strap that extends over a policeman's weapon to secure it when he isn't using it is supposed to be un-latched whenever he is approaching someone in an official police manner. Like to tell someone they are in the wrong place and violating the law. I seriously doubt the cop was safety off and aiming for center of mass.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 9:51AM
was there says:

Before you make any conclusions, he walked away from the "Tarmac" and crossed an active runway. All with out any ones permission.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 10:06AM
Reality Check says:

a) There's some borderline racist commentary in one post, who cares whether the guy was Arab or not, for the record dude people in Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran aren't Arabs either you ignorant twit

b) Clearly he needed to be escorted back to a safe area when it was no longer safe to have him there but this did not require a gun or handcuffs given the abundance of un-refuted evidence that his presence was allowed up until then. The cop was a trigger happy turk and needs to go back to having his hand held until he knows how to behave like an officer of the law.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 10:19AM
DirtCrashr says:

We've had the Collings Foundation (the other B24) out here in California - with people taking pictures, walking all around it, up into and through the planes - right up until they warm up and prepare for takeoff. With the engines running you stay the hell back, but no cops, no "Homeland Security" at all. I've been up in the B-25 Mitchell and the B-17 - skipped the B-24 this year for economic reasons.
And I rode a bike without a helmet past some cops and nothing happened, nor with taking pictures of boats in the harbor.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 10:38AM
Danno says:

Hey "was there". You are right, I was ignorant of the rules and Laws. Clear something up for us, in layman's terms, would you? What are the differences between Tarmac, Runway, Taxi Way, and what color stripes differentiate the rules they imply?

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 10:38AM
beaded_bunny says:

the cop didn't pull his gun people, the photographer stated this in the comments. He undid the strap so he could draw if needed, a step to insure his saftey. Same step that is taken during traffic stops.

I agree the story is messed up but stop villifying everyone

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 10:40AM
Obama's Seat says:

@ When Bush 43 came out with the whold idea of "Homeland Security"
---
Sorry to break this, but the DHS idea originated primarily from the Dem's. Bush initially resisted the idea, but eventually got on the bus.

And no, Obama has no public plans to change anything, like most other draconian national-security initiatives from the Bush era.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 10:42AM
Sal says:

Only doing their job? Uhhh, so were the SS under Hitler....

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 10:52AM
Obbop says:

Obey.

Always obey authority.

Authority typically represents, directly or indirectly, the USA's elite class, corporate America and wealthy / powerful special interest groups.

Those groups must be obeyed.

You mere commoners exist to serve them.

The USA is in the midst of class war.

Authority has the right, the power, the man power and enormous bureaucracies created by the elites and their lackeys and minions to enforce their authority.

From incarceration to taking your wealth and even murdering you, authority holds immense power and you are powerless.

Voting, especially at the federal level, is a farce.

You have no choice but to obey.

The elites' status quo so beneficial to the few must and will be maintained.

No matter how many mere commoners (96 percent or so of USA citizens) are harmed or murdered the elites, corporate America and those special-interest groups WILL be protected.

Just obey. You may be okay if you do.

The jack-booted thugs do make mistakes and innocents are harmed but no price is too high to maintain the status quo.

Obey.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 11:21AM
philipb says:

@Markdeman - UK police restrained? You don't read the news much do you?

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 11:23AM
American Veteran says:

Take the pigs and homeland INsecurity idiots up for a parachute jump.
"OK, out you go.
Oh, what's that? You forgot your chutes??
To damn bad."

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 11:34AM
HHN says:

A Bomber?
Is that not one of those murder machines that kill innocent civilians?
What do you morons find so exiting about that,are you mentally ill or just retarded?

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 11:44AM
John Galt says:

If you ask me, the only terrorists in this country are the Department of Homeland Security.

They hate us for our freedoms and are actively taking every step possible to remove them. It is disgusting that the people have given them so much power, and worse yet that no one is standing up to them and saying 'No'.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 11:59AM
sterss says:

Let's turn our healthcare over to these guys.

Oh, wait...

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 12:05PM
Airport Ops (different airport) says:

I work for a airport (not this one) in the operations department.

This has nothing to do with being USSA or him having a camera. It just has to do with an incursion on a movement area. You can have people walk all around the general aviation ramp area, but any taxiways & runways are off limits without permission from the control tower. Not permission from the pilots. Pilots have to follow the same rules or the same result would happen to them.

So this guy made a mistake. VPD (vehicle/pedestrian deviation) are somewhat common, but each airport handles them differently.

This is a none event and not the result of a class war or Obama taking away our guns.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 12:05PM
dave says:

@ HNN

Here we go with the "killing innocents". Do you not understand war? The purpose is to defeat the others military, wasting bombs on civilians is a waste of money.

You are retarded, ill informed, and probably a flaming anti-american liberal.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 12:10PM
DT says:

I love all you anti-government, gun lovin' big-hat Texans complaining about Obama! I guess you forgot your boy Douche Bag Georgie is the one who created Homeland Security. Good job Brownie!

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 12:16PM
Tauren Hunter says:

I gotta laugh at the one nicknamed "Reality Check", who criticized saying that there was borderline racist commentary here and yet, in the next sentence, he called the police officer a "trigger happy TURK".

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 12:32PM
Coleman says:

No, DT, we're pretty aware of that, actually.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 12:33PM
Obama's Seat says:

DT: See my comment @10:42 and consider yourself better educated today.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 12:54PM
Travis says:

"You are retarded, ill informed, and probably a flaming anti-american liberal."

Says the asshole who generalizes and lashes out without cause.

If anybody is anti-American, it is people who share YOUR extremist attitude.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 12:57PM
Sam says:

I'm sorry for the poor guy that had to go through this. I would love to be able to see the airplane as it is one of 2 in the world left. I just wanted to say that I love you all. Great comments everyone!
Cheers

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 1:00PM
Heywood says:

TSA and Homeland security are all just power tripping jerks. They have a little bit of power and need to exercise it all the time. They are no better than mall security guards.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 1:11PM
FapFap says:

Dallas, not surprised at all.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 1:20PM
Roadside says:

People it was illegal to go galavanting around an airport operations area without credentials long before George Bush was president. You folks with Bush Derangement Syndrome need to seek help. The officer did nothing wrong, in fact, did everything right. I have worked inside AOAs of over a half dozen Airports in the USA and you should be happy he was spotted and dealt with, for his safty and the safty of the air crews. AOAs are secure for reasons beyond terrorism although that is an important reason.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 1:30PM
CitizenTom says:

Roadside - apologies for going a bit off topic here, but I can't let that one go by without commenting. "Bush Derangement Syndrome"? Are you seriously trotting out that old horse again? As I recall, that was the term used at one time for anyone opposed to the words, actions, and policies of our 43rd president - people who, in hindsight, were dead on about that guy.

And the folks that used that phrase in defense of 43 - where are they now? Why, they are calling for tax strikes, secession, and armed insurrection because of - not the words, actions, and policies of our current president, but for what conservative talk show hosts tell them he MIGHT do...

Please, spare me the Bush Derangement Syndrome BS...

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 1:54PM
Johnny Canuck says:

Americans sure are paranoid cowards these days. Everyone's a threat to security, even other Americans? Wow.

WWII killed 60 million people and torture wasn't necessary then. I don't see how losing 3000 people in a one-off attack requires 2 retaliatory wars and an abandonment of civilized principles.

On one hand, we see those who believe in democracy getting shot at in the streets of Tehran. On the other hand, we see Americans just accepting electoral fraud in 2 of their last 3 elections and they only reaction seems to be a minor annoyance that the great siphoning of American wealth to Goldman Sachs means that Hummers are no longer for sale?

It's been a sad decline of a good country. We tried to help you, but it would have been "un-American" to accept our advice.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 1:58PM
John Q Public says:

Bottom line-

Remember when we all used to joke about "Papers Please" as the world the communists had to live in? "Thank God we live in a free country."

Anyone who still thinks this is a RNC vs. DNC issue needs to wake up. Unfortunately, people like ditto-heads and religious zealots are too closed minded to wake up.

England is becoming a totalitarian society where even parents cannot take pictures of their own children at sporting events, or pics of an officer on duty.

"If you got nothing to hide, you got no need to be afraid." That's the chant of the brain dead. This is not what generations of Americans fought and died for. They fought for freedom from oppression. They fought for personal independence, not just national independence. Personal freedom from ownership by any institution (civil or religious) or thing.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 2:25PM
Frederick Flintstone says:

Love your country,
Hate your government!

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 2:51PM
Mike says:

You are lucky it wasn't the Dallas Police Dept.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 2:59PM
Slappy McCynical says:

Another case of the SS, (oops) HS, jackbooted thugs marching over citizens rights and wiping their feet on the Constitution. A storm is coming.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 3:43PM
Joe Jeepster says:

Can you people please step away from the rhetoric? Is everything a big conspiracy by whoever your favorite person, party, gender, or ethnicity of someone you hate? Get over yourselves. You don't have all the answers and your just not that important.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 4:15PM
Wallace says:

The problem is not that he was stopped after being in a restricted area...it's that HS made a big deal about it. Why did this require anything other than one cop stopping him, checking his ID/connection/permission and telling thim to be more careful?

And yes, guaranteed he's never going to fly again without hours of checks and probably being handcuffed while they check up on him.

There is no thought or discretion in any US law enforcement anymore. It is all a script carried out by robotic "obeyers". Once the process starts, it cannot be stopped, no matter how ridiculous. Hence we see idiotic situations like this or schoolchildren handcuffed for having a keyring with a toy cowboy (with a GUN!).

The US is no longer anything like a free country.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 5:16PM
Anonymous says:

FUCK THE PO PO

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 5:35PM
dt&ot says:

Idiocracy....

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 6:11PM
dizzle says:

"Right, kick a**. Well, don't want to sound like a d**k or nothin', but, ah... it says on your chart that you're f***ed up. Ah, you talk like a f**, and your shit's all retarded. What I'd do, is just like... like... you know, like, you know what I mean, like..."

Justin Long played that part like a champ.
I love Idiocracy. So stupid it's funny.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 7:43PM
Rob Metzler says:

There is no federal law prohibiting taking pictures at an airport. The "classified" regulations most often cited is "Sensitive Security Information". The regulation can be found at 49 CFR 1520.
http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title49/49-9.1.3.4.7.html#49:9.1.3.4.7.0.10.3

This is due to mutton headed cops, not DHS policies.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 8:32PM
Rev. Rick White says:

Airport security is a total joke. The real secret of 9/11 is that the government failed at every step. Nothing worked! North Americans are basically lazy and nobody wants to "rock the boat" because they are worried about getting a raise. Norad was a complete failure, airport security was a complete failure, and so was the government and all of it's employees. We aren't protected in any way.

Airport security isn't any better. Flash a worker badge that any kid can photoshop and you are on the tarmac.

Security is a complete illusion. It is ridiculous for the police to pretend otherwise.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 8:46PM
pthomas745 says:

Please read the post again by Airport Ops...he is the only one that has figured this ridiculous blog post out.

The guy taking pictures was probably on an airport movement area. The "cop" who came up was probably from airport security.

"Homeland Security" will have nothing to do with this incident. The FAA's incursion report ( if they filed one) will go to the Flight Standards District Office.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 9:47PM
Anonymous says:

pthomas745 and Airport Ops are absolutely correct. This had nothing to do with the fact that the man was taking pictures. It was a runway incursion, and it was filed with FAA as such. This guy was in the Movement Area without the permission of the Airport, and without being in radio contact with the Tower. That is criminal trespass. There are signs all over the airport fence at Addison that tell you as much. The pilots of the airplane are not authorized to give him permission to enter the movement areas. Neither is the flight museum. The issue at hand is the safety of aircraft operations. It has jack-nothing to do with DHS or TSA.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 10:04PM
Anonymous says:

It's not about security, it's about control. Do you want to be controlled?

Posted On: Wednesday, Jun. 24 2009 @ 12:34AM
Captain Obvious says:

Um, Tarmac means Tar MacAdam surface (asphalt) so, there being no unwritten law, I'm thinking that if the pertinent regulation says "Tarmac" and it's all concrete that the regulation does not pertain at this airport.

And don't tell me that the wording doesn't matter, it's the very heart of law.

I LIVE for the day we start seeing badge heavy enforcers of poorly written HS regulations treated to their own medicine for violating civil rights under the color of authority.

Captain Obvious

Posted On: Wednesday, Jun. 24 2009 @ 1:26AM
Anonymous says:

General Rule: don't give the government ANY new powers because they will use/misuse them

Posted On: Wednesday, Jun. 24 2009 @ 7:35AM
Gordon says:

Soon these TSA nazis will be at the subway stations ... then bus stops as well

Posted On: Wednesday, Jun. 24 2009 @ 11:29AM
Jim says:

Wow, it looks like some folks need to go back and read the original post. The author admits he was in an area where he should not have been, and acknowledges that his taking photos had nothing to to with it.

Interestingly enough, the last time I was around one of these (a B-17 actually) was at an airport outside Atlanta, and I had no trouble doing whatever I wanted. I shot all my ground level stuff as the aircraft made the first flight, including getting a nice ground level shot from alongside the runway (about 200 feet off the side) as they did the takeoff roll.

Before I did any of this, I'd spoken with the pilots, AND the FBO, who had spoken with their controller. They had decided that I apparently had a clue what I was doing, so, aside from being asked to wear a safety vest, and asked to stay "out of the way" of traffic, I was given free rein.

After shooting the ground level, I rode the second media flight, and got some great shots, including some amazing pics through the top hatch as the plane took off (you can see downtown behind the tail).

Ended the day with a couple of hundred very cool images, and no problems.

I would say the cop was apparently just being a cop-many of them would rather end something with a confrontation than by just asking someone to do something.

Given the fact that there was a B-24 present, it should have been obvious to the cop what the guy was doing, and he could have just asked him to stay clear.

Posted On: Wednesday, Jun. 24 2009 @ 3:45PM
davidk says:

You consider yourself lucky????
I hope you mean 'lucky they didn't shoot you or beat you'.
Perhaps you have difficulty recognizing the Gestapo without the snappy uniforms?

Posted On: Wednesday, Jun. 24 2009 @ 3:51PM
Sarah says:

Heh, I found this on boingboing before I found it on unfairpark. I should keep up.

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 25 2009 @ 1:30PM
Danno says:

Im with Joe,
"Can you people please step away from the rhetoric?"
I expected more folks berating me and not my country.
I was there and everyone did the right thing in reaction to my one wrong thing. No Gestapo, no conspiracies.
There are some things I do not like, but there is allot I LOVE about this country.
Stop yer Hatin and start the Luvin.
Peace Out

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 25 2009 @ 3:09PM
Air Traffic Controller says:

For Anyone Who May Still Be Reading This Thread,

I work in the Control Tower at this airport. I was there when it happened. I cannot give my name because I'm not allowed to publicly comment, however after reading these comments I feel I need to clarify some things. The photographer crossed an ACTIVE taxiway, an ACTIVE RUNWAY, another ACTIVE taxiway before crouching down behind a runway sign just a few feet from the runway, pointing "something" at the aircraft that were taxiing around. WE called the Addison Police. Us. The Control Tower. It is our sworn duty to protect the flying public. At this point we had no idea who this individual was and what he was pointing at the airplanes. We conveyed this to the police. At this point we had more than a dozen aircraft circling in the air waiting to land and waiting on the ground for departure....all waiting until we could figure out if this guy had a gun. (Hey, we HAVE actually had people call us up with gun threats before.) THIS is why the Officer responded with such urgency. Once he was apprehended and removed, we let the circling airplanes land. The photographer has explained that the terminology is unfamiliar to him. There is no official word "tarmac" in aviation. It was a RUNWAY. You know, the thing planes land on.

After he was taken away, it was back to standard operations for us. It became a non-event for the FAA. I honestly don't know, and seriously have my doubts, if the TSA or DHS or whatever other government acronyms you want to make up ever had anything to do with this incident.

Quite frankly, this just became one of the really good "War Stories" that controllers love to tell each other.

Your Friendly Neighborhood Air Traffic Controller

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 26 2009 @ 6:30PM
bootlicker says:

there are sure some right proper fellow bootlickers on this thread, and i salute them. you must not only learn how to bow to authority, you must learn to take pleasure from it. cops are always right, always, and you must never question their authority. feel the bracing tingle of steel handcuffs around your wrist, the piquant taste of shoe leather on your tongue, and take pride in your citizenship in these glorious united states of america!

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 30 2009 @ 11:24PM
Russell Kent says:

Thank you Air Traffic Controller. While I'm not a controller, I am a 15 year veteran ground safety marshal and ground safety marshal instructor at Oshkosh (AirVenture: World's Biggest Airshow) and other airshows. Because of that, I believe I have a lot of experience with "civilians" on airport grounds. I'm surprised that Danno got as far as he did before being stopped -- at OSH the tower would be having kittens (AT ME!) as soon as he crossed the first taxiway and approached the runway. But then OSH (or any airshow) is usually more prepared to deal with "lost" civilians than ADS was during this event. And that's not a slam, I'm just recognizing that this was an event staged by Cavanaugh Museum (I assume) and not a full-blown airshow with all the sundries. I should contact Cavanaugh to let them know I'm available (currently unemployed from my regular job)...

Danno (& others): "tarmac" is a colloquial aviation term (i.e. not defined in the aviation manual) as "any usually paved area on the airport where one could conceivably park an aircraft and which is not otherwise named." Examples of "otherwise named" pavement are: runway, taxiway, run-up area. There's no easy way for me to explain here the complex rules and signage to identify them (pilots learn them and have airport maps, and *still* can get lost...). The general rule is: if aircraft park there, you *may* be allowed on it. Otherwise, unless you receive specific instruction from the tower, stay off of it.

Also, just for everyone's education: pilots are in command of the *aircraft*, not the *airport*. The airport is under the authority of the tower (generally).

Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 9 2009 @ 12:12PM

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