As you can see from the photo of Pauline Medrano here, council members spent the first 40 minutes of today's meeting
of the City Smoking Ordinance Special Ad-Hoc Committee scarfing down sandwiches -- too busy
to have a proper lunch, apparently, what with back-to-back meetings on the schedule.
(And looks like they love 'em some Lenny's too.) The munching made the early part of the meeting particularly confusing, as
those pro and con the expanded smoking ban bandied about stats in order to prove their
respective points. Said those against the ban, businesses would almost
certainly suffer with tighter restrictions in place. Said those pro banning the
butt, Nuh-unh.
Well, somebody's wrong, right?
And because this hasn't dragged out long enough, the committee addressed several new issues involving the
proposed ordinance. Not only did they discuss specifically how to enforce a
rule that would ban smoking 15 feet from a public entrance to a building, but
also on the agenda was creating a separate category for cigar bars. Specifically, council members
discussed whether the sale of individually wrapped cigars will be allowed under the expanded ordinance. The
latter was an addition after last week's meeting, during which a clearly
frustrated Deputy Mayor Pro Tem Dwaine Caraway said, "I want my issues to be
heard and addressed." Apparently, kids use those singe-serving cigars to "smoke dope."
With regards to the banning of smoking within 15 feet of an
entrance, the committee elected to only fine the smoker. Furthermore, the fine
would be implemented regardless of whether the illegal puffing was occurring on private
property or on a public sidewalk. The issue related to patios and other
allowable smoking areas is being held, supposedly, until those areas
are more clearly defined. (Let's see ...)
Conceptually, the committee agrees that cigar bars should
still be allowed to let their patrons smoke 'em if they got 'em. However, precisely what
constitutes a cigar bar is still contingent upon specific numbers: What
percentage of income comes from the sale of tobacco products versus the sale of
alcohol?
Ricky Agostin of Havana Social Club Cigar and Rum Bar, highlighted
earlier on Unfair Park, told the committee today that about 30 percent of his sales
stem from tobacco products, while 60 percent are poured from a liquor bottle.
(The other 10 percent? "Miscellaneous.") This caused confusion among the council, which considers a "bar" as having 75
percent of its revenue attributed to the sale of alcohol. Angela Hunt wants to make sure
the cigar bars are stand-alone venues that keep their doors shut at all times and refuse to allow minors
on the premises. The terminology is stopping the council from a clear vote on that issue.
Caraway's issue -- banning the sale of individually wrapped cigars widely used for
marijuana use -- is still up in the air as well.
Agostin noted that those cigars in particular
are not made of 100-percent tobacco, but, rather, consist of other materials --
such as cardboard. Maybe, he said, the council should ban the blunt specifically. Alas,
the council has requested more information on this as well before a straw poll
is taken. Said Hunt to Caraway, "I wanna help you clean up your area," but she
does not want this issue to delay the expanded smoking ordinance and figures,
well, maybe it should be a separate ordinance.
Currently, fines for those who violate the ordinance have a
minimum and a maximum amount determined by the municipal judge. Hunt suggested
a set fine of $200. Vonciel Jones Hill then asked if it was
constitutional to set the fine on the judge's behalf -- at which point an audience
member insisted, "None of this is constitutional." But since the council
figured, well, there are set fines for other ordinances, the $200 fine sounds
all right by them. The City Attorney's Office is double-checking to make sure
they can have a flat rate.
As it stands, the committee is moving forward and briefing
the entire council December 3 -- although 12 of the 14 council members were in
attendance today for at least for part of the meeting. There is hesitation from
the council's staff as to whether they have enough time to get the information
requested of them concerning such issues as the cigar bar controversy or the
number of establishments that will be effected by the ban and any economic
impact info that is available. More public opinions will be heard at the
December 3 council meeting, but speakers should register with the City Secretary
in advance.
Medrano said a final vote will be taken December 10. -Courtney Clenney
Thanks Courtney.
So the city council wants to pony up somewhere in the neighborhood of $271K to $1.5 mil annually to enforce a smoking ban? Well, they've repaired all the streets and reduced the crime rate to zero so I think it's a great idea.
Caraway's issue -- banning the sale of individually wrapped cigars widely used for marijuana use -- is still up in the air as well.
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No wonder this city is going to shit. Bigger things to worry about fella.
I think this is a stupid waste of time for everyone involved and as non-smoker I really don't have a vested interest either way but I would like to propose an easy solution that some bars already implement, non-smoking rooms. I think that if a bar offers their patrons a well ventilated enclosed room that is smoke free they should be able to allow smoking in other areas that they designate.
According to the briefing documents mentioned by <b>Courtney Cleney</b>, only 42 smoking complaints were received by the City of Dallas during the <i>entire last year</i>.
Shouldn't Council be focusing on some higher priorities at this point?
@Lakewooder:
According to <a href="http://www.dallascityhall.com/council_briefings/briefings1108/DiscussionOfAmendmentsToTheSmokingOrdinance_11052008.pdf"> these documents (pages 14 and 15)</a> the city would hire additional "sanitarians" to do the enforcing. Three more if they continue with a complaint system or 14 more if they choose a "proactive approach."
well hurry up already. can't get this deal done soon enough for us!
Who will be responsible for enforcing the new policy? Will it be DPD?
Personally, I'm in favor of a property owner dictating who can and can't smoke on his or her property, but since I'm in a clear minority on this issue I'll back down. But we can and should have two exceptions without any griping from the anti-smoking crowd: cigar bars and BAR patios (not restaurant patios, example: Lee Harvey's, rooftops in Deep Ellum and Greenville, etc.). There are no innocent victims or bystanders in those scenarios and I don't think you'll find any data that concludes a correlation between cancer and only being exposed to second hand smoke while hanging out in an open air bar. Spare those two locations and you can have the rest of the city (except of course private residences).
Oh yeah, and Dwain Caraway needs to stop trying to be everybody's daddy. Really. Does he really think he's going to reduce the consumption of MJ by outlawing individually wrapped tobacco products? This is an example of a representative who just doesn't get it, at all.