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By Robert Wilonsky, Wednesday, Aug. 13 2008 @ 5:01PM
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The cell phone rang at 10 last night, and Lily Tomlin was on the other end at long last to talk about, right, Jenny the elephant -- though she did have some to say about her canceled HBO series set in Dallas, 12 Miles of Bad Road, including a story involving Mary Kay Place and Ross Perot Jr. you'll find at the end of this piece. Good timing too, as today Mexico-based People for the Defense of Animals officials were at City Hall begging the city not to send Jenny to Mexico -- say wha'? Sure enough, said the group's president: "Mexico is 80 years behind in animal welfare laws and standards compared to your country." So Tennessee it is, right? Still to be determined.

Speaking of determined, back to Tomlin. Turns out, not only did she send Mayor Tom that missive about which we wrote last week, but she's called damned near every city council member, not to mention city manager Mary Suhm, who pawned Tomlin on to Parks and Recreation Department director Paul Dyer, Dallas Zoo director Greg Hudson and other zoo officials who'll determine where the elephant winds up in coming weeks.

"I pled with them from the common-sense angle," says Tomlin, an animal-rights activist from way back. "The Elephant Sanctuary wants her. But my sense is zoos are a closed business, and they keep those elephants in the system and create breeding farms for elephants. ... I talked to Pauline Medrano for a long time and tried to persuade her to listen to the experts coming to the council meetings and see how simple it would be to relinquish the elephant to a sanctuary. And Vonciel Hill was great: no-nonsense, earnest, serious.

" And, look, I'm sure they get calls all the time, but she said she will really pay attention to this," Tomlin continues. "I just hope it wasn't lip service and they try to make the right decision here. I owe Steve Salazar a call back, and I owe Dwaine Caraway a call. I did talk to Mayor Leppert for a half-hour. He kept trying to get me off the phone, but I was not going to let him say goodbye." She laughs. "It's so simple. They should let the animal go to a sanctuary and give it up."

Tomlin knows she's treading into dangerous waters here: the faraway celebrity getting involved in another city's business -- involving an elephant, no less. She's been on Unfair Park; she's read the comments from those who think she ought to butt out, and she knows there are plenty of folks who think the city's got far better things to worry about than the fate of an elephant. Which isn't stopping her. She's dug in. This morning, she even posted a lengthy essay to her blog at Women on the Web titled "Lily Tomlin to the Rescue of a Special-Needs Elephant."

Tomlin became interested in Jenny's case because of a similar one in Los Angeles last year that grabbed her attention. A friend then told her about Margaret Morin, the registered nurse behind Concerned Citizens for Jenny, which has brought in several experts to plead their case to the council. Morin and Tomlin now speak on a regular basis, and Tomlin speaks highly of her new friend -- who, Tomlin says, "spends her days caring for other people and her free time trying to save an elephant."

"And, look, I know my involvement helps in some ways and hinders in others," Tomlin says, adding that it's very possible she'd be willing to make an appearance before city council should it come to that before a final decision's made in a few weeks. "But, see, I'm shy. I know that sounds silly, but even though I am an entertainer, it's not in my nature to grandstand. I've never been this systematically devoted to this issue, and I don't know whether it's because of Margaret or because I've learned so much about the issue over the past year. But the choice seems so simple. To make the wrong one seems so bureaucratic and arbitrary: We're going to do it the way we're going to do it.

"It's sad. Then you see the differences these sanctuaries can make. They're healing. But there are those who will ask: 'Why do you care about one elephant when I can't put gas in my car?' But it's more than symbolic: One animal at a time, one project at a time, moves everyone closer to a more humane society. The culture has gotten so brutal and so ridiculing. You have to be tough. You can't be tender. Tenderness is the act of the chump."

Which is why the chump will spend the next few days trying to reach the rest of the city council -- including, ironically enough, her sole ally on the council, Angela Hunt, with whom Tomlin has traded messages.

Funny thing is, Tomlin had planned on spending a lot more time in Dallas -- till HBO axed the series in which she and Mary Kay Place were to play Highland Park Realtors selling prime properties to the local glitterati. Last time Tomlin was in town, matter of fact, it was to research her role: Tomlin, who has many friends in Dallas and throughout the state (she was, after all, dear friends with the late Ann Richards), finagled an invitation to a Dallas Center for the Performing Arts fund-raiser, where the buy-in was "$1 million a plate," as Tomlin recalls.

"We sat at a table with a lot of well-known Dallasites," she recalls. "We spent several days there. And it was wonderful. But, see, Mary Kay's from Tulsa, and her family still lives in Oklahoma, and I'm an inner-city kid from Detroit. So at this dinner, we're on the elevator with Ross Perot Jr. and his wife, and he said, very kindly, 'I'd sure like to take you around tomorrow in our helicopter and show you Dallas.' Well, we laughed like it was a joke, because it was almost like someone saying, 'I'll give you your weight in gold.' It was so extreme. And he probably didn't know what was so strange about it. We weren't laughing at him. I swear."

As for the fate of that stretch of Bad Road, well, it's all but a dead-end. Linda Thomason's working on another show, though, with much of the very same cast. Only, this time it'll be set in ... Austin. Of course. --Robert Wilonsky

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Comments (27)

LakeWWWooder says:

Did the conversation start out like this?

http://tinyurl.com/5kanvd

Sorry, I can't resist - love that lady!

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 13 2008 @ 5:24PM
Robert Wilonsky says:

Heh, my wife asked the exact same thing. And I will say this: Of all the people I've ever interviewed, Lily Tomlin's damned near the only one who's ever impressed the missus. Shoulda put her on the phone with Lily. Dang it.

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 13 2008 @ 5:28PM
Donnat says:

Dallas should get out of the zoo business. The Dallas zoo has never been a money maker, nor a big draw and this whole issue with Jenny convinces me that the average Dallas public servant doesn't have a clue about how to act humanely. Tenneessee should be the obvious choice for this animal with only a few years or even months of life left. Dallas, please find good safari parks or zoos to take your remaining animals and close the zoo. let Ft. Worth be the zoo attraction around here, it's better for the animals and better for Dallas.

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 13 2008 @ 5:52PM
Jack E. Jett says:

It is pretty amazing because I have always heard that she hates doing interviews and rarely gives them.

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 13 2008 @ 6:04PM
David says:

If people cared as much about Dallas kids as they do about this elephant, DISD might not be such a disaster. Strange priorities.

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 13 2008 @ 9:37PM
Sally says:

Thank you Lily for being so diligent to help our Jenny.
Bless you!
Sally

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 13 2008 @ 11:43PM
Dorothy says:

Many thanks to Lily Tomlin for advocating for Jenny. to borrow a phrase "and that's the truthhhhhhh!"
Supporters of Jenny will be at Dallas city council meetings every Wednesday until this issue is resolved.
Another way to show your support for Jenny is to be one of the thousands from around the world that have signed her petition at
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/tell-dallas-zoo-send-surviving-elephant-to-a-us-sanctuary-not-mexico.
JENNY TO TENNY!

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 14 2008 @ 12:27AM
Doug in DFW says:

I'm nominating David for the best non sequitur of the week. Who knew the only thing holding back DISD was an elephant? I just assumed it was rampant corruption and no accounting controls. Did Jabari know too much? Paging Mark Stepnoski.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 14 2008 @ 2:59AM
John Bender says:

Donnat:

The Dallas Zoo, like all of our city parks, libraries, museums, and other cultural institutions, is not supposed to be a "money-maker." Neither, by the way, is the Fort Worth Zoo. The Fort Worth Zoo is arguably in better shape because the citizens of Fort Worth as well as private and corporate donors value and fund the zoo. Why should the citizens of Dallas not do the same?

As far as sending the animals to "good safari parks or zoos" that is exactly what this debate is about. To wit, whether Jenny should be sent to a "good safari park" or to an elephant sanctuary.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 14 2008 @ 8:48AM
spanky says:

zzzzzzzzzzzz..........

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 14 2008 @ 8:57AM
chris von danger says:

First Robert, great snag to get Lily on the line, shes one of the better comedians of the past 50 years. I grew up watching her on Sesame Street and always found her film/tv roles have a good amount of quirk.

Second, I agree the city needs to get out of the Zoo business, Why not place the Dallas Zoo into a public/private trust similar to the Ft. Worth Zoo, where they have been able to build a world-class facility that is consistantly rated one of the best zoos in America. That way, it can flourish and develop into a potential world class facility.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 14 2008 @ 9:18AM
Beverly Perry says:

Robert- Please investigate the letter dated 8/13 that came from the mayor's office today. It states "After careful consideration of various AZA accredited zoological parks and our current elephant habitat at the Dallas Zoo, the Zoo staff has decided that Jenny the elephant will be going to Africam Safari Park in Puebla, Mexico later this year so that she can socialize with other elephants in a fantastic facility.". It appears, from this letter, dated 8/13/08, the zoo has made up their mind and has not informed the Dallas City Council members. We all remember the mayor repeating his statement that no final decision had been made. it appears this letter was in waiting the entire time. And like Sesame Street (mentioned in the previous post), one of these things is not like the other.

Either things are still messy at the mayor's office, or we, and the city council, are being lied to. If true, this could be viewed as retaliation from the mayor's embarrassment that took place at the city council meeting yesterday.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 14 2008 @ 4:32PM
Robert Wilonsky says:

Beverly, I've spoken with Chris Heinbaugh, the mayor's chief of staff, who says no such letter exists. "I would have known about a letter like that," he says. "They're not going to make any decision till they get the physicals done, and my understand is those aren't close to being done. No such letter has gone out of this office, and I know of no such letter coming out of Parks Department either."

Hope that helps.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 14 2008 @ 5:01PM
Beverly Perry says:

Thanks Robert. The email was forwarded to several before me. The email did come from the mayor's office (or appeared to) but the attached letter was in Word. Not likly they would not PDF something like that.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 14 2008 @ 5:10PM
Anonymous says:

Robert-
Just learned that the letter is real, and yes was sent out in Word. This is the same letter they have been sending out since July. Other people have been emailed the same letter from the mayor's office. They just keep changing the date at the mayor's office. A friend reported they got the same exact letter on July 3. All letters have said the decision is final. All have come from the mayor's office. We're back to Sesame Street...one of these things is not like the other.

Very half hearted approach to "research all possibilities".

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 14 2008 @ 6:10PM
Beverly Perry says:

The letters are coming from Amy Sackett in the mayor's office via email attachment.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 14 2008 @ 6:19PM
Beverly Perry says:

Oops the anonymous post was from me. Forgot to add my name.

The letter and the duplicate on July 3rd point to the fact that the zoo felt their "research" was completed and have been saying this all along.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 14 2008 @ 6:26PM
Robert Wilonsky says:

Chris assures me there is no one in the mayor's office by that name.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 14 2008 @ 9:56PM
Beverly Perry says:

Robert- Is it possible that this person is from the zoo? Many people have gotten this same letter from this person in response to the Jenny status inquires to the mayor's office. Maybe the inquires are forwarded to the zoo. Somehow this person is getting answering city hall inquires.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 14 2008 @ 11:04PM
Beverly Perry says:

All- mystery solve...Robert you knew I couldn't let it die. I started to think about it and noticed her email address is city hall so she can't be from the zoo. Please look at City Hall Highlights Vol 1 page 6 under promotions (2007). This is what you will find: Sackett, Amy L. Community Outreach Rep. Instructor. So yes, she does exist somewhere in city hall. And, yes, the letter exists. I am so tempted to write more comments. I will stop here.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 14 2008 @ 11:24PM
jaime says:

yes, if you do this crazy new thing called "google" amy sackett, you get things like, "Invertebrates In Captivity Conference 2006
REGISTERED PARTICIPANTS Amy Sackett Dallas Zoo" and "Amy Sackett Communications Coordinator at Dallas Zoo" and yes, several people have received this same letter.

so as steven colbert would say:

amy sackett: you are ON NOTICE !

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 15 2008 @ 12:02AM
jaime says:

arrgghh... i meant stephen, not steven.


now I'M on notice. crap.

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 15 2008 @ 12:07AM
Pamela says:

Lily is right! One animal at a time. This issue is about one lonely stressed elephant who just wants to be an elephant and not an exhibit. We love you Jenny! We'll keep fighting for your home in the U.S.

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 15 2008 @ 8:39AM
Armin Sebran says:

I too received the email enclosure 'letter' from Amy Sackett. I have replied citing the canned, closed-minded, and bureocratic nature of their approach to Jenny. The same smug "city-knows-best" approach is evident throughout Dallas city government.

The letter is meant to 'cool out' the mark who, in this case, are the concerned citizens from Dallas and from around the country that see Jenny's fate in a larger context.

Armin

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 15 2008 @ 9:18AM
Ilise Lipton says:

One animal at a time, indeed. We cannot save the entire world. The world needs all kinds of volunteers to tackle all sorts of problems. Some of us---even Dallas public servants---volunteer in several different capacities. I have mentored at DISD for 14 years, helping 2nd and third graders, many from Africa, to read and learn more English. I donate to charities such as Vogel Alcove, Habitat for Humanity and Doctors Without Borders. I help Metroplex Animal Coaltion with low cost spay/neuter for the pets of low income families and yes, I am one of those people working to have Jenny retired to THE ELEPHANT SANCTUARY. Hooray for Lily Tomlin for joining in this fight. It is important to lend a voice to those who cannot speak. So many of us think their participation will not make a difference and sit around doing nothing but HOPING things will change for the better. But a lot of us little folks, together with more high-profile people like Lily Tomlin and Elephant Scientist Joyce Poole, can band together and make a big impact. Maybe we can even change the future of one deserving elephant. One animal at a time.

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 15 2008 @ 11:46AM
Susan G says:

David what exactly do you do to help the children of Dallas? I would be willing to bet that you do very little. It is so much easier to direct others from your sofa then getting out and putting your actions where your mouth just went.
For the record most people involved with animals do not just limit their actions worrying about animals, we tend to reach out to humans just as much.
On Wednesday one of the city councilmen said that there is center for children/adults in dire need of help with their bathrooms, when are you planning on finding out how you can help?

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 15 2008 @ 12:13PM
tommy bobo says:


thank you Lily Tomlin

Posted On: Saturday, Aug. 16 2008 @ 12:41AM

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