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AA Flight 48, From DFW to Paris, Sounds Like One Hell of a Trip

Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:40:11 PM
Look at it this way -- at least Flight 48 to Paris wasn't late. It's the little things that matter.

Editor's note: Edmund Newton, managing editor of our sister paper in Fort Lauderdale, sends along the following tale:

Here’s the question: Is it safe to fly during times when commercial airlines are under grinding economic stress?

American Airlines Flight 48 had just taken off from Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport, at the start of a nine-hour overnight flight to Paris on April 20, when flight attendants heard an alarming noise from the bottom of the plane. According to one source, the sound was of “vibrating, shaking, even some ripping.”

Alerted to the noise by flight attendants, the trio of pilots in the cockpit -- two of them Miami-based -- considered their options. One of the pilots got on a phone line to the dispatch center at American headquarters in Fort Worth and then to the maintenance center in Tulsa. According to an internal memo from an unidentified flight safety official, “the pilots and TUL Tech thought [the sounds] may have been [from] a cargo shift of some sort.”

The memo added that “there were no indications in the cockpit, no warning lights or airframe vibrations felt.”

What it looks like when an air-conditioning access panel "departs" an airplane upon departure.

Though the plane was still a relatively short distance from take-off, the pilots, with the support of ground technicians, elected to continue the flight.

The source (who was not on the plane but is familiar with some of the principals involved) says the flight over the Atlantic was reportedly “pretty bumpy,” both because of unstable weather and because of the rumbling sounds emanating from the bottom of the plane.

After landing at Charles DeGaulle in Paris, the flight’s crew and French airport officials quickly gathered under the airplane to see a frightening scene of exposed machinery and dangling paneling. Some took pictures.

Though the company has made no announcements about the incident, scuttlebutt about the incident flew among American Airlines personnel.

Many flight employees were openly upset about the seeming recklessness of the decision to proceed with the flight -- though a source at American insists there was nothing reckless about it. "If the captain had known the panel was missing, there's no question he would have turned around," says the source, "but given the noise was the only indication with no further warnings in the cockpit, and three hours to judge the situation before they reached the ocean, the decision wasn't reckless. The pictures are very dramatic, but the passengers and crew weren't in any danger."

A corporate spokesman did not respond to an inquiry about the number of passengers on the airplane, but the Boeing 767-300 can carry up to 220.

Seasoned flight attendants questioned why, given the noises from the bottom of the airplane, the pilot didn’t return to DFW to check the fuselage. They also questioned a peculiar silence about the flight from corporate officials and from the crew. It wasn’t until Monday, after we started making inquiries, that a corporate official sent out a general message to all flight attendants, explaining what had happened. This was two weeks after the incident.

“The first thing you’re supposed to do in something like this is file a report with the union safety department,” the source said. “Some people think the company got to the flight attendants and told them to shut the fuck up.”

Lonny Glover, safety coordinator for the flight attendants union, said that he had received “inquiries” from members about the incident but no “reports” from the flight attendants involved.

Asked about the appropriateness of continuing the flight, Glover said, “Given the information, it is the pilot’s final decision… From other pilots that I have spoken to, they stated they would have elected to do the same.”

Like the rest of the airline industry, American is suffering from high fuel costs and a shrinking travel market. American has been particularly afflicted by a series of forced inspections last month of its MD-80 aircrafts.

The company reported this week that its traffic had dropped 6.6 percent in April when it was forced to cancel more than 3,000 flights because of the rigorous inspection schedule. The value of company stock has fallen from almost $28 a year ago to its current level of about $9.

A close-up of what used to be the air-conditioning access panel

The internal memo concerning Flight 48 said that “an air conditioning access panel apparently departed the airplane during the climb out of DFW [Dallas/Fort Worth].”

It added: “The fuel burn on this particular flight… was not much more than any other flight,” indicating that there was no special drag on the airplane. The report acknowledges, however, that “there may have been some loud noise” during the flight because of the broken panels.

Also: “The captain took the situation very seriously and only continued the flight after consulting with ground personnel and determining there were no system malfunctions or other indication of continuing problems.”

Late Monday, American’s corporate communications manager John Hotard messaged that the airline “is investigating the incident and until all of the facts are known, we will have no further comment.” A Federal Aviation Administration spokesperson said today that the agency had received a hot line complaint about the incident from an airline employee and that it is under investigation. The hot line is set up for aviation industry employees to report on safety issues. --Edmund Newton

30 Comments:

mcripper says:

WTF? Consumer Reports did a chilling piece about a year ago on looming airline safety issues related to the outsourcing and corner cutting of airplane maintenance. Worth a second look. just goes to prove not everything is better deregulated.

MushMouth says:

And that attitude is why I no longer fly on AA. I've paid more on my last five trips and put up with the inconvenience of making connecting flights but I feel much safer than I would on American. Until they make a clean sweep of upper management and change the culture there I will continue using other carriers.

david says:

Eerie that that RSS feed item should arrive in my mailbox today. I just got back from Paris last Friday and was on the same flight number of April 27th. We got as far as about Toronto when the overhead reading lights began to flicker like there was a short. Shortly (ha!) thereafter, the pilot alerted us that there was an “instrument” malfunctioning but it didn’t affect the safety of the plane. We then turned around, landed at O’Hare in Chicago and everyone was put on another plane.

We arrived in Paris about 4 hours late.

Friend says:


So where did the AC panel land? This would be an important question from all drivers on 183 or 121/114...

LakeWoodrow says:

Well? Apollo 13 made it home and Lindbergh made it to Paris on a wicker seat!

I hope I can get a new xanax prescription with my passport renewal.

Matt K. says:

Two friends of mine were on that same flight number but about a week before this happened.

They had significant plane problems on the way back from Paris and had to land in San Antonio, where they spend four hours sitting on the tarmac before getting new pilots to fly up to Dallas.

Lightsfantastic says:

" At American Airlines, we love to fly...no matter what condition our planes are in."

Haribo says:

"They had significant plane problems on the way back from Paris and had to land in San Antonio, where they spend four hours sitting on the tarmac before getting new pilots to fly up to Dallas."

Are you sure they had 'plane problems' and not 'weather problems'? If a plane has a serious mechanical issue necessitating diversion, usually it wouldn't divert to an airport which is farther away, let alone pass up its destination airport and a place which is likely better equipped to handle the situation.

jb says:

Golly, you'd think that if you based your business on defying gravity thousands of times day there would never be any problems. Come on AA get it together!!!! I mean, unless the pilot is suicidal, I doubt he would willingly decide to put the passengers and HIMSELF at risk of death. Or, he could have put the plane down and dealt with stories as the one on the front page of the DMN on how AA has the worst delays. Its damned if you do, damned if you don't. I say, everyone just stay put and not risk traveling anywhere.

El Rey says:

So if you are leaving the house one day, and your fender just drops off of your car, and you didn't realize it fell off, but you heard some rattling and wind noise, and you really had to be somewhere, would you stop to check it out? I would like to think I would. (Sorry for the run-on sentence) The pilots could have done a low pass of a tower for a visual inspection and they would have been told their access hatch was gone.

Side story: My buddy flew a Bell JetRanger out of the helicopter plant in Hurst and his entire tail rotor broke off during a test flight around the pattern. The tower told him to come on back and make an emergency landing. He told the tower to quit messing with him because he thought he would have felt if the entire ass-end of the helicopter broke off. He came in and did a run-on landing and everything was ok. Many uncomfortable laughs were had about that whole story, but it is one of the reasons I chose a new profession outside of aviation.

Adam says:

AA has the oldest fleet in the nation with an average aircraft age of 14 years. I fly on AA pretty regularly and I often wonder if the plane is going to make it given how shoddy the aircraft often look.

Great quote from Iron Man applies here "...I had become part of a system that is comfortable with zero-accountability."

frank says:

I don't fly for AAL, but for another major carrier, and must say there are some sadly misinformed comments to this post. (Note to El Rey, if indeed your friend's "entire tail rotor" came off a Jet Ranger in flight, he *would* be the first to know. That story has obviously been grossly distorted in the re-telling.)

I once had a larger chunk of Boeing come off in-flight than happened here, and we knew nothing of it until a post-landing inspection. Happily, as in this case, nothing on the ground was damaged either. Still, ours was considered a relatively minor incident; so much so that Boeing and the FAA immediately issued us a "ferry permit," allowing us to fly the aircraft in that condition to another airport for repairs.

FAA record-keeping requirements are quite strict; as such I expect AAL quickly determined the mechanic who neglected to properly insert and/or tighten the fasteners on that panel.

Such things have happened before, even to me, and as long as humans work on aircraft, they'll happen again. The trick is to minimize such occurrences, and notwithstanding the fact the bad timing of this event occurring in conjunction with last month's mass (voluntary) groundings, there's little reason to believe, and just as their incident/accident rates also prove, that American is anything less than an exceptionally safe airline.

That said, if you chose not to fly American, we at other carriers would love to have you ;-)

cp says:

El Ray-

I drive a seven-year-old car. It checks on inspection and it makes all kinds of rattly sounds. Sometimes the engine light even comes on, but for no apparent reason because when I take it in to get it checked out, they can't find anything wrong with it. If it made a new noise while I was on my way to a meeting, no I would not stop to check it out. It's not a brand-new car.

Mechanics is a science and it's not perfect. What would cause you think that there was indication to do a "low pass" of a tower for "visual inspection"? It looks as if the pilot was doing his job and no protocols were breached. Welcome to corporate- pilots have jobs to do too. I don't think we should damn AA because of some vague noise that didn't result in anything appearing to be wrong with the plane. I don't think they have gauges and meters on every square-inch of every plane that might signal to the pilot or anyone else when an AC panel is loose. This is an isolated case.

This was an A/C panel that fell off. Where did it fall off? Where was the evidence? Any remains anywhere? This happened a month ago... Did anyone report any strange, new debris in their Southlake backyard? If it fell off on the runway, wouldn't you think that some DFW Airport official would have reported it and the public would have heard about it before now?

And FTR, I do not work for AA and I do not fly AA. I just don;t think we should cave to this stupid mob mentality over something that seems isolated.

Rob says:

As a commercial airline pilot I can tell you that this is no big deal at all. It has nothing to do with the age of AA aircraft. Any panel that a ramper or MX or pilot opened and did secure fully closed will blow off in flight. Happens more then you know. Now if I diverted for every noise that the flight attandants or passengers heard that sounded "wierd" I would never get anywhere. Even if they decited to divert the landing would be much more dangerious then flying with a few missing panels. A large aircraft on a long trip will take off thousands of pounds heavier then the place is certified to land at. So if you have to preform an overweight landing your going to risk brake fires, runway overruns and possibly an emergency evacuation. An overweight landing is much more dangerious then flying with a panel missing. The sound that the passengers were hearing most likly was not as bad as it is written in the article.

HSH says:

Well, unfortunately this is not new folks. I was on an AA Boeing 767 flight from Paris to Dallas in November 1997 with three friends. Shortly after takeoff from Orly, the captain came on and told all 260 passengers that he has instructed the flight crew not to unlock the gallery carts or start any beverage service due to problems with the aircraft. Shortly thereafter, he announced that the flight would be making an "unscheduled" landing at London Heathrow, which luckily had the longest runway in Europe. Seems that we had lost all onboard navigation that was supposed to guide us across the Atlantic. We could not dump fuel because we could not fly over water. The Captain had to execute climbing/descent maneuvers with the fuel flaps open for over 30 minutes to try to burn off fuel for an emergency landing. All this in fog, rain and wind. We were all hung over, having partied until 5 am and running to the airport by 8 am. It was no party. The Captain did a terrific job landing the plane, although we must have been flying at about 3,000 feet all the way from Paris to London because we had no descent. We hit the runway, brakes only, with fire trucks throwing water on the brakes as we screamed down the longest runway in Europe to keep the fuel tanks from igniting. Cockpit crew was first class all the way. Best pilots in the industry.

AA corporate was another matter. Against the protests of European flight officials standing on the runway (I have photos), AA would not let us off the plane. We stayed on the plane, on the runway, for seven hours with nothing more than hot canned soft drinks and potato chips while AA flew in a new onboard computer to London and had in installed. By the time the 767 was ready to fly again (which still made us all a bit nervous), the crew could not get to Dallas because they were out of time. Boston Logan was closed, so we flew to Chicago, which was as far as they could go. At Chicago, we had to run and find our own flight to Dallas (except first class -- they got help). 22 hours after taking off from Paris Orly, we touched down at DFW. We had to threaten to sue AA to get any compensation, which only amounted to $400 each.

I recommend Continental 777 service out of Houston Intercontinental. Great service, great aircraft. No hassle.

that guy says:

The fact is with the information the pilot had, he did exactly what he was supposed to do. If we wet ourselves everytime the airplane bumped or we heard a noise, you would never make it to your destination. BTW, the flight attendants never knew anything until after the flight ended. We get paid to fly passengers safely - seems to me, that's exactly what happened. Idiot arm chair pilots should go back to commenting on things they actually know about.

El Rey says:

Not an armchair pilot here. I actually have hours in my logbook. Spent twelve years as a flight line diagnostician (avionics /electrical / optics / weapons) and I have seen my share of strange crap.

What I tried to say was, "I would like to think I would" stop and check, but it is a judgment call and the circumstances dictate your reactions. I am pretty hardheaded and I most likely would have pushed on to Paris until a chip light or some other hazard light came on.

As for the remark by Frank, when a JetRanger (or most any other helicopter) is moving over 60 knots, the yaw is negated by the wind flowing around the airframe. When you slow down, usually on approach, is when you notice the rotation caused by the torque from your main rotor. That is why the textbook response to loss of tail rotor control is to increase forward airspeed and make a run on landing. The tailboom sheered cleanly at the horizontal stab, the only indicator would be the loss of some but not all comms. There are no sensors on the tail rotor gearbox except the chip detector and an over-temp sensor, and they won't tell you of a problem if there is an 'open' along the wire. For further documentation of my story, see page 10 - https://crc.army.mil/Multimedia/magazines/flightfax/1997_issues/fffeb97.pdf

Final note:
It is impossible to accurately measure the results of aviation safety.
No one can count the fires that never started, the aborted takeoffs that do not occur, the engine failures and the forced landings that never take place.
And one can neither evaluate the lives that are not lost, nor plumb the depths of human misery we have been spared.
But the individuals with the flight controls, fueling hoses, tools, radar, or clipboards can find lasting satisfaction in the knowledge they have worked wisely and well, and that safety has been their first consideration. - author unknown

fortune says:

this all sounds a little 'dangerious'.

Chris says:

My F.I.L. is a commercial pilot and told me "This is not a big deal. Only because of AA, and Southwest recent news about plane safety, has this story come out..."

"Panels like this come off more than reported by the media."

Rich says:

The overreaction by flight attendants and the public is ridiculous. As a 28 yr military and airline pilot I can tell you that the Capt on this handled it perfectly for the situation. Missing panels are not uncommon....not good, but not uncommon. He didn't know a panel was gone, they heard a noise (not that unusual), he talked to the entire crew (including all flight attendants), called maintenance, and decided to continue based on all the info he had. Returning would have caused a 100,000 lb overweight landing....not good. You think he would have continued had he suspected dangerous damage or a serious problem? Despite the media frenzy, this was not that big a deal.

chad says:

they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting in to...

pilota says:

cp, well said.

MushMouth says:

that guy-

Thanks for checking in from AA corporate!

david says:

Forget this flying shit. Next time, I'm walking to Paris.

Joe says:

I say, bring back the days of trans-Atlantic passenger shipping. Let's restart the White Star Line and build "Lusitania II", stock the G-I-UK gap with dummy U-Boats, and have a real adventure.

Don Abbott says:

These, of course, are the same people that brought the Wright Amendment to you.

Mandy says:

"AA has the oldest fleet in the nation with an average aircraft age of 14 years. I fly on AA pretty regularly and I often wonder if the plane is going to make it given how shoddy the aircraft often look."

Just for the record, Northwest's average aircraft fleet age is over 18 years.

My dad successfully flew missions out of Vietnam as his plane was under enemy gunfire and was actually being pierced by bullets. He is still around today. No need for this kind of alarmism.

Adam says:

Re: Mandy's comments. I probably wouldn't be that alarmed by it if this hadn't happened around the same time that it's been discovered that Southwest was flying aircraft with cracked fuselages. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Pete Kendall says:

Saying that a missing panel could bring down an aircraft if like saying an iceberg could sink the Titanic. Never would happen!

Mayoplane says:

I am an airline Captain. I can tell you that this is not a big deal. The missing panel doesn't make the airplane crash. More noise can be possible, but this is not a very alarming situation. People's fear only come from ignorance.

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