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Is Rev. Jeremiah Wright a Hater?

Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 02:03:24 PM
Rev. Jeremiah Wright will be honored by Texas Christian University's Brite Divinity School on March 28.

These were his spiritual sons, men he’d ordained into ministry and sent into a hateful world. And now they’d turned their backs on him.

Bishop Charles Harrison Mason, a Southern holy man, the son of freed slaves, had shared the platform with white and black preachers in the darkest years of Jim Crow. Mason knew that the gospel he preached allowed no provision for hatred or prejudice; these were sins that damned a soul to hell.

He suffered for this gospel. Mason was beaten and thrown in jail; the FBI maintained a file on him because of his interracial practices and pacifism. History provides only the scantiest details about Mason, the black Pentecostal apostle who founded the Church of God in Christ. His followers were drawn from the lowest strata of society, laborers, domestics and dirt farmers who desperately needed a miracle-working Jesus for everything from food to freedom. Theirs was largely an oral tradition.

We do know that many of the white ministers Mason had ordained pulled away from their black brothers to form the Assemblies of God.

One remarkable fact is noted in the history books. At the Assembly of God’s first convention in Hot Springs in 1914, Mason was invited to preach. He did that and more -- offering his blessing on the new, all-white organization, which would later become the largest Pentecostal denomination in the world. The division of black from white is starkly evident today: The Church of God in Christ is overwhelmingly black, and the Assemblies of God are predominantly white.

I think of Mason when I consider the words and deeds of a much more ordinary man of God: Barack Obama’s former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Throughout his life -- he lived to 95 -- Mason never betrayed bitterness toward white people, or rich people or any of those groups of men who oppressed his largely poor congregants in real and wicked ways. Mason had tapped into a reality that transcended the bigotry of his time: This Jesus Christ he followed gave him the supernatural strength -- the grace -- to love his enemies. And enemies there were.

This, I know, is what is so frustrating to many black Christians and to the Reverend Wright, whose incendiary comments about race have rocked the Obama campaign: that white America’s churches neglect to acknowledge their own sordid past in perpetrating and prolonging racial hatreds. That they have indeed been the enemy on many occasions, churning out racist rationalizations for slavery and failing to defend their black brothers in the eras of Jim Crow and civil rights. That some, such as the revered commentator of the original, unsanitized Scofield Reference Bible, went so far as to twist the Scriptures to gin up justifications for treating blacks as inferiors.

Even today, white evangelicals display only a tepid interest in bridging the divide between black and white. The Word of God teaches that we know what is right, and it is to do justice, love mercy and walk humbly before our God. I’ve always found it interesting that the Scriptures command us to do justice: thinking nice thoughts about justice evidently won’t cut it with God.

A recent study has shown that white Americans fail to appreciate the difference in perceptions about racial justice. White Americans with Forrest Gump-like obliviousness insist that ours is generally a fair and just society; black Americans see differently.

Reverend Wright, pastor of the largely black Trinity United Church of Christ in the South Side of Chicago, has pointed out these disparities from the pulpit in bitter and angry verbiage. He has mixed in conspiracy theories -- that, for example, the white American powers that be concocted AIDS to destroy the black race. For that I will not demonize him; like the white preachers who pushed away from Mason to help found the Assemblies of God, he is simply a man who’s failed to rise above his time.

And the truth is, bigotry against whites is often deemed an acceptable bigotry among blacks, a reasonable response to jacked-up times.

It is the extraordinary believer who refuses prejudice in any form, who simply calls a hater a hater.

But I have known men and women like this, who understand the eternal truth of the Christian faith that God is love. Prejudice, to them, is a form of hate. The Scriptures speak in uncompromising terms about men who hate their brothers: They are murderers, and they have no place in the Kingdom of God.

My two closest friends are black evangelicals. We know each other intimately; they’ve seen me at my best and worst. One thing that’s remarkable about them is that I have never seen even a trace of bitterness toward white people. I suppose I wouldn’t be a close friend of theirs if this weren’t true, since I am as white as a white baby’s butt.

I wanted to know how they got that way -- devoid of bitterness -- since I saw so many opportunities for a different outcome. Turns out their backgrounds were markedly different, but their conclusion was the same: My faith in Jesus Christ doesn’t give me the option to hate.

Evangelist Diane Eddington, who’s in her late 40s and grew up in mostly segregated schools, spoke from the pulpit in my church a little over a week ago and warned the largely black congregation that haters go to hell, whether they’re black or white. How do you know a hater? Listen to them talk, she said. It’ll come out sooner or later. What’s in the heart can’t but spill out.

She’d heard too many prejudiced comments against Latinos, how they’re taking over the schools and such. She detected the hate behind the half-truths. She wouldn’t stand for it.

Evangelist Diane takes a Christian’s responsibility to love so seriously that she considers it folly for blacks to watch movies that chronicle America’s hateful past -- even Roots. She believes these films provoke prejudice. She has little use for the concept of Black History Month for the same reason; if you’re going to teach it at all, she says, teach it throughout the year. Weave it into the bigger story; separation implies inferiority.

Diane grew up in the Church of God in Christ, where you will seldom hear statements of the racial tenor of the Reverend Wright’s. While COGIC has its problems, as regular readers of this column will know, it has largely steered clear of the divisive rhetoric common to more theologically liberal black churches. At the core of Pentecostalism there still exists a dream of being one: a recognition that our heritage in Jesus Christ is much more powerful than the things that would separate us.

My other best friend, DD, who’s in her late 30s, grew up as the only black kid in her rural Texas elementary-school classes. “I thought my first name was Nigger,” she says. Compounding her separateness was the fact that she was impoverished as well, living in a tumbledown shack with an outhouse.

Coming up, she had every reason to hate. The same day she held in her hand an acceptance letter to medical school, a truck full of yahoos barreled past her in the street and screamed, “Nigger!” One of the first times she entered the operating room in scrubs, she was mistaken for the cleaning lady. She has duly noted the disparities in position and pay for women of her race, and it frustrates her that many of her white colleagues assume she is a beneficiary of affirmative action.

Every black girl she knew growing up, she says, wanted at some time to be white and blue-eyed with straight, silky hair pulled in a ponytail. It is something few white people understand at all -- what it’s like to have a sense of inferiority sown in your soul from the earliest age. DD gathered from her early school years that everything black was bad, and everything white was good. Black kids were stupid, ugly, poor, dirty and despised. White kids were smart, pretty, rich, clean and worthy.

The stain goes so deep, she says, that only a relationship with Jesus Christ can purge it out. When she got saved at the age of 21, she says, she gradually lost all those feelings of inferiority -- replaced by an understanding that she was a daughter of God. The people who reached out to her at that time, she says, were white Christians. It is something she will not forget, and it precludes her from viewing white people as an evil, homogeneous group. She loves her white brothers and sisters in Christ.

“I live my faith and not my race,” she says. “It is a simple choice.”

I mention my friends because I see them as part of the answer; they have chosen the way of unconditional love, what the Apostle Paul deems “the most excellent way,” and my Bible tells me plainly that this kind of love “never fails.” In the political sphere I find a parallel in Barack Obama, and I applaud his wise and eloquent discourse yesterday on race. He soundly repudiated the divisive rhetoric of his mentor and spiritual father, the Reverend Wright, without denying the positive contribution the pastor has made in his life.

The American church is complex and confused, and in its sanctuaries love can be found right alongside hate.

Do the Reverend Wright’s words rise to the level of hate? Nah. Not what I’ve heard, anyway. It’s the same conspiratorial talk-radio junk that’s been kicking around in black communities for years.

I do wonder who he’s preaching to. It seems like he’s directing his inflammatory statements to whites, but in one of the widely viewed YouTube clips it’s clear that his congregation is almost entirely black. His words, then, do nothing to prick the consciences of the “rich white men” he rails against. So what is the point? To provoke a few amens, to get some of his members to slap him on the back with a hanky?

The Reverend Wright’s problem isn’t hate. He, like so many members of his Christian generation, black as well as white, suffers from something much more mundane: a failure to love. --Julie Lyons

68 Comments:

toolongagain says:

Too long. This is an article/essay, not a blog post. Learn the difference.

Matt says:

Great article Julie. Keep up the excellent work.

TooWrongAgain says:

Too Long - it's a COLUMN, titled as such, explained as such in previous columns...

Learn the difference, indeed.

That said, Julie, it's a well-written column. I agree completely with you almost never, and disagree mostly frequently, but this one was well-considered and well-written.

Los Politico says:

"This, I know, is what is so frustrating to many black Christians and to the Reverend Wright, whose incendiary comments about race have rocked the Obama campaign"

No, the Obama campaign has been rocked by the anti-American comments. That paired with the ones made by his wife are building a narrative. Obama tried to change the conversation to race with his speech. Time will tell how successful he was.

Jason says:

Dear toolongagain,

From the Colombia Encyclopedia:

"blog, short for web log, an online, regularly updated journal or newsletter that is readily accessible to the general public by virtue of being posted on a website. Blogs typically report and comment on topics of interest to the author, and are usually written and posted using software specifically designed to facilitate blogging; they include hyperlinks to other website and, often, photos, video clips, and the like. The most recent entry by the blogger is posted at the beginning of the blog, with earlier entries following in reverse chronological order; comments and other responses to the blog by readers are often posted after each entry."

No where in that one definition is length explored. Please go back in your corner and play with the haters, such as Toots and Religion of Bacon.

Toots says:

Los Politico, of course the Republican Party which you are a part of uses the silly notion that a man would run for the highest office in the land because he indeed hates that land. Yeah makes a lot of sense to a brain dead Right Winger. Myself, not so much.

chris says:

I'm amazed that the Iraq war is 5 years old today, the economy is in a whirlwind, 47 million Americans can't afford health care, tuition is skyrocketing and we're talking about comments a 70 year old retired pastor made in church.

Then again, we elected Bush to two terms so nothing should really amaze me anymore.

miranda says:

When I was six years old, my grandfather, who never missed a service at his small-town church, told me I was going to hell because I had not been baptized in the "only true church." In tears, I went to my mother who calmly explained to me that there were many paths to God and that we each must find our own. As I grew, I began visiting synagogues, Catholic and other Protestant churches, and when I lived in New York, churches in Harlem. It was in these churches that I began to understand how Blacks could co-exist with Whites without constant bitterness. There is a reason the edifices are called sanctuaries. It is in these safe places, away from those who had been there oppressors, that Blacks could voice their anger with injustice without betraying their commitment to love God. I learned even more about tolerance when I lived in Thailand and studied with monks. Tolerating, though, does have its limits and civil disobediance and passive resistance -- from Ghandi to Dr. King -- have a noble if tragic history. My resistance was to my grandfather's bigotry in using the Bible to justify his racist views and the first time I heard him use the N word was the last time I entered his home. Race, religion and politics are complicated and intertwined parts of our lives. I only hope that I have lived my life as an example of the best, not the worst, of what I have seen and heard.

Kelly says:

The comments of Obama's wife and pastor towards America are insulting. Yes, there is racism in America, and of course it's deplorable. However, for Wright to repeatedly and generally call America "racist" makes him guilty of stereotyping and generalizing an entire nation, even though he pleads to be recognized as an individual. America continues to be the place that immigrants from all over the world come to put their hope and faith to good use, yet Michelle Obama is only "proud" of this country now that her hubby is close to a nomination. Such hot opinions being backed up with vague generalities are as dangerous as the individuals these two folks claim to be truly against.

Progress - not so much says:

Absolutely, Chris. But we've come a long way since the topic of fury was simply gay marriage, also during war, also without health care, also as tuition was skyrocketing - that's progress, huh? Huh? And Radiohead tickets! We were all unified around Radiohead tickets!

Defeat Plaza says:

Julie-

Great, insightful column - but you (conveniently?) left out Wright's demand that his congregation shout "God DAMN America!" To me, that's devoid of substance, incendiary... and hateful.

---Reverend Wright...has mixed in conspiracy theories -- that, for example, the white American powers that be concocted AIDS to destroy the black race. For that I will not demonize him; like the white preachers who pushed away from Mason to help found the Assemblies of God, he is simply a man who’s failed to rise above his time.---

Also, regarding the above AIDS comment - I can see your point, though I'm not sure I agree with it. But for argument's sake, let's say he is "simply a man who’s failed to rise above his time." That would imply that he actually BELIEVES that AIDS was concocted to destroy the black race. So that makes him ignorant, not hateful - though those are often two sides of the same coin.

Catbird says:

Doesn't matter. I'll bet he sleeps just as well as any other American citizen.

Bethany says:

If you listen to the full statement by Michelle Obama, instead of just fixating on that one soundbite, you'd know she was proud of her country because of its willingness to embrace change. In context - and especially coupled with a subsequent statement released, you can quit coupling her statement as anti-American. In that statement, she said she was proud because for the "first time in a long time, thousands of Americans who’ve never participated in politics before are coming out in record numbers to build a grassroots movement for change."

Do you think anybody who opens their lives up for that much scrutiny day in, day out, in an arduous, nearly two year presidential campaign alongside her husband is anti-American?

You can call her a lot of things, but that's not one of them.

Anonymous says:

If Obama (A Black Man)wasn't running for president, would this be such an issue????

Why should Obama be held responsible for something that his pastor said?? My pastor says a lot of things I don't agree with but also a lot of things that I do agree with.

SUCH A WASTE OF TIME!!!!!

There are so many IMPORTANT ISSUES that need to be dealt with besides this HOGWASH.

raisa says:

I think this man is hater.

Rawlins Gilliland says:

Beautiful column I was praying you would write.

As a white man who has spent many of my years in and out of the black church culture, attending from youth to middle age more than the Episcopal I was raised in........ I 'got' what others could not. But you alone could distil it into cohesion. Thank you.

I do however not agree that Wright 'cannot love'. He does love, clearly …if one sees the totality of his sermons and his life. But his is as you and Obama suggest; of a generation that cannot forget. And will not forgive.

Sometimes it is beyond frustrating for me, counseling African-American teen first timers in trouble with the law,… to see them shrug off hearing about the chains of restriction the outside world historically inflicted…rigid limits held upon every generation of black youth before their parents' era. It is maddening that they don't leap to grab any chance they would have never had so recently. But instead, they shrug.

But maybe their having no memory of time past is the only way we can finally begin to dialog with an eye to move on and ultimately heal. Obama offers that, a man born in 1961.

Anti Dhimmi says:


Well, I approach disagreement now with trepidation, but cannot remain silent. The TUCC is a Protestant church. In Protestant theology, as I understand it, the sermon is to be the declaration of God's Word to the congregation. It's not some seminar, or political speech, or coffee-house bull-session, it is to be as close to the literal Word of God as possible.

Leading a chant of "God DAMN America", which is nothing less than a prayer to Almighty God to carry the country and everything in it down to Hell for eternal torment, is not something I find in the Gospels. It appears to me to be a hijacking of the Word of God for a personal, as well as political, purpose.

It is a form of idol-worship. I seem to recall a Commandment about that.

loben says:

Julie -
Great article! Well written! Thank you for this. As far as the reverend, and black churches in general, I think it is time to quit yelling about racial issues. Get over whatever your color is and make something of yourself. The reverend ought to spend the time uttering something useful, like how to pray and how to get and keep a job.
People are prejudiced against all the time, by being fat, ugly, bad skin, breath. We are what we are and it's our job to prove what is inside of us, not waste our time bemoaning physical attributes that we cannot change. Many white "women" were treated no better than slaves in the past hundred years, but we obtained our rights and are now using them.
P.S. If he in fact, said "God Damn America!" then he is no man of God and it is the devil in him. The bible warns against ANY cursing at all, and using God's name in vain. By using the two words together "God" and "Damn" he is cursing. No one in our family has ever said those two words because obeying God's word is important to us, as well as treating all humans equally with respect.

saywhatuwant says:

[Matt 5:18; Mark 13:31; Luke 21:33] Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away


It really doesn’t matter who you vote for and what they’re saying because the truth is unless they can stop the world from coming to end one day they can’t change nothing. God is coming back one day and we can’t change one jot of His world, the most we can do is pray for our leaders and hope that we live at least a peaceful and quiet life in our lifespan.

Braden says:

Thanks Miranda for your thoughtful comments.
No thanks to Kelly for your unthoughtful comments.

"Evangelist Diane Eddington, who’s in her late 40s and grew up in mostly segregated schools, spoke from the pulpit in my church a little over a week ago
and warned the largely black congregation that haters go to hell, whether they’re black or white. How do you know a hater? Listen to them talk, she said.
It’ll come out sooner or later. What’s in the heart can’t but spill out. She’d heard too many prejudiced comments against Latinos, how they’re taking over the schools and such. She detected the hate behind the half-truths. She
wouldn’t stand for it." Julie

Surely Sis. Diane couldn't believe that those who are deeply concerned about the broken immigration system, and how that broken system impacts our schools, health care, and social service/welfare systems, are filled with hatred and destined to hell? Please, please clarify.

"Evangelist Diane takes a Christian’s responsibility to love so seriously that she considers it folly for blacks to watch movies that chronicle America’s
hateful past -- even Roots. She believes these films provoke prejudice." Julie

What? Are you kidding me? Watching/reading historical accounts of the human experience is folly? Roots was based on the true life story of a real, breathing, fully existent man. It's not like Alex Haley made up that stuff about his forefathers. In fact, I'm sure that what we read and saw in the story of "Roots" was light weight compared to the horror that his family lived through. I take offense to Sis. Diane's views that ignorance is the only way that a person can be free of prejudice and hate. Is she suggesting that all humans forget the history/stories of those who lived before us? Or is it just blacks? How dare blacks have a history?

" She has little use for the concept of Black History Month for the same reason;
if you’re going to teach it at all, she says, teach it throughout the year. Weave it into the bigger story; separation implies inferiority." Julie

I might can get with this. I also believe that so called black history is American history. I don't think of Martin Luther King as a great black man. I think of him as a great American. The civil rights era is not the history of fed up black folks. The civil rights era is the history of America. I know why America would want to divorce itself from that ugly past. But it can't. It is the truth, not a fairy tale. The quicker that all of us, blacks, whites, and all others who live here, stand up and face the truth, the faster we can heal these wounds. But as long as we try to sweep it under the rug, like it didn't happen, like it is the tragedy of one group of people, rather than all Americans, we will never progress towards real healing and reconciliation.

The Transatlantic slave trade, American slavery, and Jim Crow was not only the tragedy of Black Americans, it was the horrific tragedy of all Americans. That awful, deadly, repulsive system victimized both blacks and whites. I realize that even during slavery and Jim Crow that all whites were not prejudice and racist. But the bloody system made it difficult for good white people to speak out and buck the system. Many of them were just as afraid as the blacks that had to exist in that dreadful time.

That is why I say that this awful history that we call black history is the history and experience of all of us. It should not and will not be forgotten. I remember it, if only to give respect and honor to all of those who had to live during that time, which includes my 57-year-old mother, who could not drink out of a "whites only" water fountain when she was a child.

Great post Julie, you did good. We're getting to the same place, just following different trails. Mine has steps not as steep as yours and far fewer altars.

For the whites who see the blacks as being entirely too sensitive about race I suggest they look at fat people, especially fat white people, to remove the race thing you understand. If they have any fat white friends I'm sure they know there are basically two kinds of fat white people. There are those fat white people that are ashamed of being a fat white people in a skinny white world and act accordingly.

Then there's the fat white people with the attitude. They have at least two chips on their shoulder, one usually corn, the other potato.

Damn, don't fat white people sound just like black people, fat or otherwise?

There's one thing no one has mentioned. I think of it as the eight hundred pound zit faced elephant in the room. It's kids, white and black, brown too.

Each new generation will find a line to cross to differentiate themselves from their parents. For some time now, early fifties for the old folks who read Unfair Park, there has been an inclination for the white kids of succeeding generation to go blacker. At first it was just the music. Now it's went way beyond the music and clothing. It's now not only about talking the talk but walking the walk.

The curious mind has to wonder about that. Why would the kids go blacker than their parents did?

We can look back at the greatest generation and see they probably started it with their embracing jazz more than their parents did. Then the next generation hooked onto rock and roll. It's now evolved into whatever that ghastly sound is that comes from kids cars and radios these days. I just know that if I stumble upon it surfing the telly the artists performing are black.

Again, why the blackening of white America? It can't be the music, that's obvious. It has to be a statement the youth wanna make and the only way they instinctively say it is to embrace what bothers them most about their parents.

Yup, it's the racism. The blackening of white America is inate wisdom in our white youth.

The more beautiful thing about this might be the inate wisdom of the black youth in America. Everytime white youth think they've got it the black youth raise, well maybe lower, perspective counts, the bar.

I know this isn't very Jesusy Julie. But I think it's every bit as logical and important as your assertion that it's more about failure to love than it is to hate.

I think someone somewhere a lot smarter than most of us once said something about the children leading, someone famous I'm sure.

Lilywise says:

I think race is a pretty serious issue in this country, one that has plagued us far longer than our health care crisis, the war in Iraq, or the current economic implosion.

We are white Christians who have been embraced by a Black church; my husband was made a minister there. The people are loving and generous and seek to live out the gospel.

And yet, there is tremendous distrust of the government, which is not infrequently voiced from the pulpit. The US government sanctioned the Tuskegee experiments -- it doesn't seem like a stretch to the children of that generation that the US government could introduce drugs and HIV into their community as well. Preachers, such as Rev. Wright, often are aware of their prophetic position to call the nation to account. Saying "God DAMN America" might not be the best or most appropriate way to do that, but I think all but the most jingoistic American would agree that the US has made mistakes and needs to be held accountable.

Julie's article is beautifully written and resonates with my own experience as a white person in the Black church.

chris says:

So does all of this hubbub mean that Obama isn't muslim?

Julie Lyons says:

Ms. Braden,
My views are a little different from Evangelist Eddington's, though I understand her point--hate is such a serious sin that anything that potentially incites it should be avoided like the plague.

I personally think Black History Month is more important for whites. I intend to educate my son about this country's racist heritage.

I gave my friends' views without judgment because I saw that the three of us had found our way to the same destination--that the answer for America's heart problem is the love of Jesus Christ.

Barbara Crenshaw says:

I am a 57 year old bi-racial black woman. I was born in 1951 to a woman of Ebony Skin and a White Man who was a known member of the local KKK.

My father lived double lives. He disowned us by day when he was in the company of his friends and acquaintances. He came calling on my mother in the late hours of the night by whom he fathered four children. I live in the deep South, Mississipi to be exact, where I was neither own by blacks or white while growing up.

I've bore the name "half white" all of my life. Senator Barrack was more fortunate than me in that he had parents and grandparents on both sides that owned him and loved him. My story is a very long and sad one but it is my hope that we can one day get beyond our racial divisive thoughts and actions.

I attend a Black Church and I have many problems with what my pastor says and does, but because I've grown up in that church and has dedicated myself to the growth and the church ministry, I'll remain a member.

An important point to make is that Barrack join a "church" not a pastor. The pastor came with the church. Since many reknown and prominent Black American frequently attend services at this church, such as Ophra Winfrey, perhaps she can help explain some of the reasons why she goes to this church and explain if she is influenced by Pastor Wright's remarks in the pulpit.

I gave my friends' views without judgment because I saw that the three of us had found our way to the same destination--that the answer for America's heart problem is the love of Jesus Christ. Julie Lyons

Wow.

If Jesus was the answer to our race problem we wouldn't have a race problem. In fact, as you've put so well, Christianity is our weapon of choice in the race wars. The two largest pentecostal denominations are divided only by race. The doctrines are exactly the same but they've aligned themselves by race as Christians.

Pentecostals grab scriptures to explain why they're defined as fools. They don't need scriptures. They only need a mirror. Well that isn't true. They need two mirrors, one for each face.

You see Julie there's no better example of heart felt racism than the church kind. We choose our churches by what is in our heart. Pentecostals choose their church mostly based upon race.

Maybe we need to step back and look closely why pentecostals are more blatantly racist than the general population, you think?

Julie Lyons said, "My other best friend, DD, who’s in her late 30s, grew up as the only black kid in her rural Texas elementary-school classes. “I thought my first name was Nigger,” she says. Compounding her separateness was the fact that she was impoverished as well, living in a tumbledown shack with an outhouse.

Coming up, she had every reason to hate. The same day she held in her hand an acceptance letter to medical school, a truck full of yahoos barreled past her in the street and screamed, “Nigger!” One of the first times she entered the operating room in scrubs, she was mistaken for the cleaning lady. She has duly noted the disparities in position and pay for women of her race, and it frustrates her that many of her white colleagues assume she is a beneficiary of affirmative action.

Excuse me. Isn't Texas considered about a hundred and eighty degrees off from the buckle of the Bible belt?

Seriously, isn't this example of current racism happening where the biggest building in any town is just about guaranteed to be the First Baptist Church?

There are none so blind as those who won't see........

Los Politico says:

Toots, I'm a registered Dem and as left liberal as they come. Just pointing out what the issue is doesn't make me the enemy. You Obamaphiles are such apologists you can't even see who's on your own team.

brint says:

The answer to America's race problems isn't Jesus. It's time, and sex. Lots of it.

Get to farkin'.

bruce says:

I love it when a white person feels the need to point out that some of their best friends are black. That makes them experts, ya know. Julie Lyons Fossey, christian in the the mist.


Toots says:

Los Politico, have you read or heard Obama's speech?

Los Politico says:

Watched it live

Toots says:

.....and? You didn't think it was sincere and true about what BOTH Blacks and Whites are feeling?

Julie Lyons says:

Harvey,
Pentecostals choose their churches based on race more than the general population? Are you kiddin' me? Virtually all of the truly diverse Protestant churches in this country are Pentecostal or charismatic.

Los Politico says:

I don't think people are upset because the preacher was black. I think people are upset because the preacher was shown as anti-American. Add that to his wifes comments and paper, that he wont wear a flag pin, and the picture of him without his hand over his heart and I think you can see where the GOP ads are going to be in the fall. Perception is more important than reality...

Pierre West says:


I’ll begin my commentary on this article by highlighting the fact that the Church of God in Christ not only steers away from “divisive rhetoric” regarding issues that concern race, it also virtually ignores any issue pertaining to social responsibility on any level. Contrary to what seems to be insinuated in this article, this oblivious behavior is not positive for those who claim to follow the teachings of Christ (who was in every aspect a community advocate, maverick, social activist and philanthropist). This is an increasingly diminishing Pentecostal group has been stitched with a slave mentality that reduces the answers to life’s problems as, “clapping-until-you’re-dizzy on a church altar”. Since the Church of God in Christ is largely governed by an emotional theology that ignores it’s community while steadily collecting offerings to pay for the next miracle, I hardly consider them as credible example of a religious group that responsibly handles social, political, or community issues. There is no comparison between the Church of God in Christ’s lifeless role in the community and what theologically liberal black churches and their leaders have contributed to the progression of this society at large.

For this reason, I don’t completely accept the criticism offered to Jeremiah Wright in this article. As a minister who perhaps over-passionately states his political and social concerns, I do agree that focusing on the negative past of this country can be counter-productive. Sure – I agree that there seemed to be some displaced anger in Reverend Wright’s words, but he is entitled to assert his option. After all, aren't Catholic leaders and other conservative white religious leaders allowed to do so without being placed under fire?

“It’s the same conspiratorial talk-radio junk that’s been kicking around in black communities for years”.

Excuse me? While in your world, Julie, these may be erroneous figments of African-American imagination, many of these ideas are not so far-fetched to the Jeremiah Wrights of the world who have spent a lifetime under the tyrannous fist of racism and hate. Try feeding that statement to the whopping 23 million Africans infected with H.I.V. while white South Africans conveniently remain largely uninfected.

I disagree with the notion that, “the love of Jesus” is the simple, one-size-fits all solution to the many deeply-rooted, historic, intrinsically-branded seeds of racism in this country. It takes more than embracing your spirituality to overcome years of mental-warping, emotional abuse and a manipulated, skewed mentality of self-hatred. This kind of thinking is the infamous, “Jesus will fix it” blanket that non-progressive Christians often throw over top of live snakes and rats. This is why many Christians will continue to be labeled as a group of delusional, brain-washed extremists. I agree that hate is a disease that must be cured. Some of the ideas here, however, seem naive and unrealistic; kind of reminds me of people leaping from cloud to cloud in an after-life where everyone wears white garments and carries a golden trumpet on their hip.

For me, Obama’s recent, historical address perfectly summed up the issue of racism in America. There are difficulties and challenges on both sides. Just know that our solution will involve a slow evolution of significant changes that will take lots of time to begin to repair. I believe Barack Obama is the person assigned to this task during this era.

In order to know where America is going, we must know where we’ve come from. Ignoring the past, (a ridiculous idea) as suggested by Evangelist Diane, will put us at risk of repeating our mistakes. “Roots” was an American story, just as “Schindler’s List” was a European story. Ugly, shameful – but a testament of truth that should never be buried. If we burried all the ugly stories in history for the sake of moving on, none of us would've ever heard of a crucified Christ. These American chronicles of struggle need to continue to be publicized, not for the distain of whites (who are often too arrogant to admit, accept and apologize for their mistakes) but for the education and reflection of America. This is the only way we can move forward from a dark past to a promising future. Jeremiah Wirhgt a hater? Naaa - he's a deeply wounded victim of American's past. Don't judge him by telling him how to feel about something you've not experienced.

Toots says:

Los Politico, yes perceptions can trump reality and being stupid doesn't hurt either. But you are not a Democrat, your are lying. What a pussy. If you are indeed a Democrat why would you care if anybody wears a pin, or why would you believe that Michelle hates America? He didn't put his hand over his heart because it was for the National Anthem, you don't HAVE to put your hand over your heart for that, just for the Pledge.

You are full of shit. Stop wasting my time. Rush comes on in 15 min. Go get your daily dose.

HSH says:

Los Politicos:

"Won't wear a flag pin?" Are you kidding me? That shows he's unpatriotic?

I gag everytime I watch anything on CBS Sports because this year Gumbel, Nance, et al, all started wearing flag pins. Same size, same pin, exactly the same place on their jacket lapels. I'm sure the CBS Sports in-house stylist lines them all up in a row before they go on camera and sticks those silly little pins in their lapels.

Perception is NOT more important than reality. That's Hillary's problem. That has been the basis of the Clinton doctrine since 1994 (when Bill lost Congress due to Hillary's unwillingness to communicate with its members during her health care folly).

Julie's essay is well-thought and honest, as was Sen. Obama's speech. Here's to working to see an open, positive dialogue on race, as described to today's New York Times article, continues to develop.


"I personally think Black History Month is more important for whites. I intend to educate my son about this country's racist heritage." Julie

Again, Julie, I think there is no such thing as "black history." It is American history. And I believe that it is important for all Americans to learn about their country's hidious and horrifying past, just as they learn about its beautiful and impressive past. You might find this strange, but there are many black children that need to be educated about historical figures, such as MLK, Thurgood Marshall, Rosa Parks, and other great African Americans, just like your white son. Sadly, because many folks, such as Sis. Diane, feel that our history is much too ugly or irrelevant to remember, many individuals have chosen to not educate their little black children about their both triumphant and tragic past.

"I gave my friends' views without judgment because I saw that the three of us had found our way to the same destination--that the answer for America's heart
problem is the love of Jesus Christ." Julie

I do not judge your friend for believing that the solution to hatred is the love of Jesus Christ. However, I do indeed reject her notion that it is beneficial for any group of people to ignore/forget/turn their back on their heritage. Again, the history of African Americans in this country is painful. But when I think about where and how we rose from slavery and Jim Crow, I am humbled, filled with American pride, and grateful to God.

How can we thank God for his deliverence if we refuse to acknowledge the past bondage? How can I be filled with American pride if I ignore a part of its history (oppression based on race) that actually found itself here before the birth of the nation in 1776?

Trust me, Julie, I'm not an advocate of turning my back on the future, so that I can place all of my focus on the past. I believe in moving forward rather than backwards. But unless I take a look at the past, I won't be sure if I'm headed in the wrong direction.

Just so you know, I am a student of history. I took about 18 hours in history when I studied at UNT. That's why I think that this is so important.

"“Roots” was an American story, just as “Schindler’s List” was a European story. Ugly, shameful – but a testament
of truth that should never be buried. If we burried all the ugly stories in history for the sake of moving on, none of us would've ever heard of a crucified
Christ." Piere West


You betta preach!

saint james says:

What you left out of your nice story about Mason (and it is true) is that the Assemblies of God pulled away from Mason's COGIC because they were black. The initial pentecostal movement was bi-racial. Additionally, the Assemblies came to Mason's group to recieve ordination because they were incorporated and could actually issue liscence.
So, the Assemblies could invite him to preach but they were not willing to submit to his authority because he was black. Nor did theu want their congregants to assocaite with "colored". Black people have always been willing (for the most part) to be loving and forgiving to the racist, bigoted and mean action of the oppressive American laws. Yes, I am sure it is hard for older Black Americans to view the American flag with the same heartfelt devotion as some whites when that flag meant for them oppression and hatred. Especially to black war vets.
Mason and the assemblies should have been preaching the same gospel...Too bad they didn't.

Los Politico says:

Toots and HSH,

Y'all are delusional. Do I have to show you my voter registration card? World a picture of me volunteering for every Dem since (and including) McGovern do the job?

Get a grip. I'm telling you what the issue is going to be in the general election, not my personal beliefs. If those who worship at the alter of Obama can't see the writing on the wall then say hello to President McCain. I, in no way, think that Obama is anti-American, but I know that will be how the GOP will attack him. I'm telling you guys in this circle jerk here that. The issue isn't race, Obama's or his church's, the issue is a building anti-American perception.

And HSH, why do Obama supporters feel the need to attack the Clinton Administation? Really? Why? I'm pretty sure that every Republican elected in the Twentieth century got to the White House because he was able to convince enough Americans that perception was more important than reality. Demonizing Hillary will only result in one of two things: 1) Obama wins the nomination and fails to attract those loyal to Hillary because of lingering tensions and McCain wins or 2) Hillary wins the nomination and Obama supporters have created such a negative image of her that they can't support her and McCain wins.

Oh I guess that really only leaves one outcome, huh? Stop attacking other Democrats you assholes.

Julie Lyons says:

Ms. Braden,
I believe we should look history squarely in the face--the good and the ugly--and still choose "the most excellent way." I know that's virtually impossible to do if one has experienced hatred and injustice firsthand, and that's why we so desperately need God's grace.

I disagree with my friend about the value of history, but I didn't choose to mention that in the column because it wasn't my principal point. I was making an argument about love.

I regret somewhat that I was not able to convey my friends' viewpoints in all their complexity. They disagree with each other and with me on a number of points. Yet we've all reached the same conclusion: Bitterness and hate are not options for followers of Jesus Christ.

Saint James,
Thanks for providing more details about the Mason/COGIC backstory. I had to keep it kinda brief in my column.

Julie Lyons says:

Mr. West,
"The Church of God in Christ's lifeless role in the community"? What are you talking about? No, COGIC has not chosen the overtly political route. They have chosen instead to minister directly to the poor and the disadvantaged in the neighborhoods where they are found. I think that's worth a heck of a lot more than rhetoric.

Toots says:

Los Politico, you are wrong on many counts;

"Get a grip. I'm telling you what the issue is going to be in the general election, not my personal beliefs. If those who worship at the alter of Obama can't see the writing on the wall then say hello to President McCain. I, in no way, think that Obama is anti-American, but I know that will be how the GOP will attack him. I'm telling you guys in this circle jerk here that. The issue isn't race, Obama's or his church's, the issue is a building anti-American perception."

No alters here, DUDE. The Republican base HATES Hillary Clinton. Nothing would be better for them then to have her unite their base like nothing before. Why do you think Rush wants her to be the nominee? Obama brings to the table people who have never voted before, Hillary brings baggage from the last 15 years and if you think that the Republicans won't use that then you are eating the cracker at the end of this circle jerk. You didn't say whether you believed Obama was anti-American or not, thus the confusion.

"And HSH, why do Obama supporters feel the need to attack the Clinton Administation? Really? Why?"

As a whole they are not. Stop making shit up.

"I'm pretty sure that every Republican elected in the Twentieth century got to the White House because he was able to convince enough Americans that perception was more important than reality."

So has every Democrat, its called "politics".

"Demonizing Hillary will only result in one of two things: 1) Obama wins the nomination and fails to attract those loyal to Hillary because of lingering tensions and McCain wins or 2) Hillary wins the nomination and Obama supporters have created such a negative image of her that they can't support her and McCain wins."

Wow. So you are saying that the Clinton campaign isn't demonizing Obama? What bullshit. The 3am call? The statement Hillary made saying McCain would be a better President than Obama? Bringing up race in New Hampshire? You are wrong Chucklenuts.

AGAIN, Hillary gets the nomination and the Republicans pull out all the stops. Not only do they have Hillary to bash but they also have Bill to hit in the kneecaps. The list of women he has slept with will come out, the fact he almost got impeached, etc. Think about it, shit for brains.

Toots says:

And I might add Los Politico, Hillary called Obama "unAmerican" today. Nice eh?

Jack Jett says:

Julie

I can't believe you used the "some of my best friends are black" line. Just when I think you have hit the ultimate self indulgent mark, you come along with another holier than thou line of crap.

Did you try and change your black friends to white? You have spent the last year lynching a black minister without telling his side of the story. Is that part of the "black history" you share with your son?

If Jesus listened to you when you wanted to save your son's goldfish, I would think he would listen to you and resolve racial conflict. Perhaps, you should spend more time talking to YOUR God, and less time preaching to us.

If prayer really worked, I wouldn't be seeing your name attached to a article on this site every ten minutes.

religion of bacon says:

Just one small correction - Bill Clinton was impeached by the House, although the Senate did not vote to remove him from office. The same thing happened to Andrew Johnson, the only other President to be impeached.

We now return you to the thrilling spectacle of liberals tearing each other to pieces...

Julie Lyons says:

Jack,
Now that last line is a really good one! Every now and then you hit it.

You made me laugh.

Los Politico says:

Toots,

Neither candidate can win without the others base. If white Catholics in the upper Midwest or Hispanics in the Southwest vote for McCain over Obama then the GOP wins. If blacks stay at home or independents bail on Hillary then McCain wins. Why can't you see this?

But yeah, continue to think the whole country is in love with your guy. Have a good cry about it in November for me, ok?

Willis says:

You can listen and download many of Rev. Jeremiah Wrights sermons in iTunes. Don’t accept what you hear he said, listen for yourself.
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=142350012&s=143441

Toots says:

Los Politico, right back at you hombre. Don't worry, when Obama is President he won't take away your tacos.

Jill says:

"Hope is what saves us, for we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen is not hope. For what a man sees, why does he have hope for it? But if we hope for that which we see not (no visible sign), then do we with patience wait for it." That's almost an echo of what the prophet Isaiah said: "They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength." -- Jerimiah Wright, Jr.

This is from a 1990 sermon, right around the time Obama started attending. To assume that Obama has chosen to listen to "hate" for 20 years is making assumptions, casting stones and unchristian. It never ceases to amaze me what people are willing to do to further christianity and free speech - only to be the ones to destroy the true meaning of both.

Anonymous says:

Oh please, Wright is not racist he is speaking the REALITY of racism in America. America, christianity and hatred have always been part of our society. I think everyone needs to get over it. If America doesn't like racism and people recognizing its validity and reality, then STOP being racist. When blacks confront white America about racism whites PRETEND it no longer exists. Now come on please, its just as rampant as ever, example; the nooses tied on doors. Denial is the fuel to keep the flame going. If some of Rev. Wrights opinions seem harsh and critical too bad get over it, racist America's treatment of blacks has been harsh and critical and still is. If you don't like the truth and the right to speak freely than from quoted white Americans go back... leave. White America turned away blacks from church's, used the bible to justify their inhuman, degrading behavior and still do. So while criticizing Wright, white America better look in the mirror at it's own historical reflection.

Los Politico says:

Tacos? Is that meant to be racist? wtf?

Toots says:

I love Tacos. My Mia made the best. She was from Sabinas Hildago just north of Monterrey. I still have a bunch of cousins who live there. I am the only one in my family who supports Obama. The rest don't like him because he is black (THATS RACIST) and I tell them, "don't worry, Obama won't take away your tacos."

kevin says:

Re Toot;

It’s really sad that your family members are choosing not to support Barack Obama because he’s black. That in itself shows everything that’s wrong with America and how blacks are perceived. I think as a black we’re stereotyped then other race in America, if not the world. We're good enough to cheer for during a foothball or basketball game, but we're not good enough to be President of the United States, because that's what I sense from most whites. Every time there’s a statistics that comes out blacks are always the high percentage to be HIV positive, on drugs, incarcerated, poverty, etc., yet we’re only 12% of the U.S. populations.

Rev Jeremiah Wright sermon wasn’t an attack on white America, it was an attack on how hypocritical our government is, but because he wasn’t speaking “political correct” he got scorned. The bible speaks of “Cry loud and spare not”, and that’s what Christians are suppose to do. If Rev Jeremiah would have said abortion is wrong and that Barack is going to end it if elected there would be the same fallout.

Anonymous says:

If you are black you are RACIST that’s that. Seen it every step of the way. If you disagree with me ask yourself this, when was the last time something happened to a black by ANY other race and the black person was actually wrong; in your opinion? When was the last time the black wasn't completely perfect and a victim? Especially if what happened to them did in fact happen to them while committing a crime. You dont wait for the fact to see what happened. You wait for the facts to pervert everything to your argument. Even when others tell you your wrong. As a matter of fact when was the last time someone of another race told you, you were wrong and it WASN'T because they were racists? Just for the record, who on God's green Earth put blacks in charge of deciding who qualifies as a racist and who doesn't. The MAJORITY of blacks don’t have any say in their own lives. Ask them they'll tell you, it's all the White Man & the Jews. These are the people you want deciding who qualifies as what and who doesn’t. I say it should be the majority of America making this decision. Unfortunately majority usually equals "White" and therefore obviously EVIL. This is Democracy. Majority rules is the actual definition of Democracy. MINORITY RULES is the definition of FASCISM!!!! Just cause your black doesn’t mean you can’t qualify as a Nazi. that’s what the Nazis were………. Fascists.
America believed Hitler would eventually attack the USA. He didn’t but his beliefs and way of life did.
Now remember the most important part of all of this, if you are black, all you have to say is the White Man is the real racist here. That’s all you have to say to be right

-Tyler Goines
03/21/08

Betty says:

Added: March 20, 2008
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Watch Rev. Jeremiah Wright's 9-11 sermon in context
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ


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Rev. Jeremiah Wright's God Damn America in context
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

Pierre West says:

Julie:

The Church of God in Christ, from a general perspective, is busy calling $100.00 lines accepting money FROM the poor and middle class for the pastor's next expensive anniversary gift(s). If that's your idea of ministering to the poor, then I guess you've hit the nail on the head.

Sekou Muhammad says:

As Salaamu Alaikum to the RIGHTeous Family
members.
I want to define this Great Brother of Our's
who has to be subjected by this bigeot culture called the Hypocrites by GOD(ALLAH).
Minister Wright is not a hater bcause he is telling the truth about Americas fall.
White People in America are the worst haters
on the Planet and the to prove they are the worst hater, check out america's history towards people who are not their blood.
Minister WRIGHT is a Blessing to this country, Hes a man that will put the truth out there for the people who have been tired of the so-called devil worshipper lies.
I support Minister in His work and as Jesus,
The Christ said, He without sin cast the first and last stone, remember Jesus, said the TRUTH will and shall set You free.
This message is for the HYPOCRITES.

As Salaamu Alaikum
Sekou Muhammad

Julie Lyons says:

Mr. West,
Well, unfortunately, you have touched a nerve there. Yes, I've been to quite a few COGIC services that seemed like shakedowns. There's no question COGIC needs renewal and much less of an emphasis on fundraising. But I also know genuine men and women of God in COGIC or with COGIC roots who minister to the poor at great sacrifice.

Hubert Daniels says:

Reverends Wright's comments regarding 9 11, and his perspective on the idea that white men run this countr