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Apparently, Some People Still Need to Be Sold on Diversity

Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 04:47:37 PM

Oh, man, now I know I’ve taken a dive off the wrong end. Rod Dreher is quoting me in support of his own point of view.

Over on the editorialistas' blog at The Dallas Morning News, Dreher's writing about the “Choose Woodrow” editorial in today’s paper, which urges affluent white people to follow the lead of Lakewood and send their kids to public school. This morning I read that editorial with wistful pleasure. We don’t live in Lakewood, and we didn’t send our kid to Woodrow. He sent himself -- insisted -- in spite of our trepidation. A lad with a mind of his own.

I have always greatly admired Lakewood’s fierce devotion to Woodrow. I think there probably is more stubbornness than liberalism in it: By God, nobody’s takin’ our school away from us. But if I had to choose between stubborn protectors of turf and squishy libs like myself to save the Alamo, I guess I’d have to bet on the turf-protectors every time. And then later, after it’s saved, we liberals can take over.

Over on Dallas Morning Views, there already is comment from a reader (good Friend of Fair Park, matter of fact) who recites bad experiences his kid had at Woodrow. Sounds to me like it was less Woodrow, per se, than the incredibly lax culture of slackitude at DISD. But stuff does happen.

There is a bottom line here, however, that gets ignored. It’s what Mary Sue Coleman, the president of my own alma mater, the University of Michigan, has said about the effect of diversity on schools: “We know that diversity makes us a better university -- better for learning, for teaching, and for conducting research.”

Diversity makes white kids smarter. My son is a senior at the University of Texas at Austin now. He and all of his Woodrow alum friends who went to UT agree on one thing: They were way better equipped to deal with the world the way it is than the white kids from suburban and all-white enclave backgrounds.

The point is, the kid gets out there in the world, and the world ain’t all-white. Other people smell all-white on a kid a mile away, because the kid shows it. I’m not saying those kids can’t get over it. But they can also fail to get over it. There are still too many hiding places for white people who are uncomfortable with diversity. So they stay in those places, and their lives are diminished.

Why would you want your kid to feel that he can only survive in certain protected areas? The Woodrow kids’ lives are enhanced, bigger and more free for having gone to Woodrow.

It’s not the only path. There are terrific private schools in Dallas where the kids enjoy a diversity that is probably more intimate, equal and face-to-face than the self-segregating lunchroom at Woodrow. But Woodrow is one path, and all of the paths toward diversity are paths toward fuller life.

At some point, you have to factor that into the equation along with Latin. Which was sorely missing at Woodrow when we were there. Let me see here now, Latin versus diversity … Latin versus diversity… man! That’s a tough one. Not sure I know the answer to that one. --Jim Schutze

Category: Schutze

26 Comments:

religion of bacon says:

Diversity makes white kids smarter.

Leaving aside the other sweeping generalizations for a moment, why single out white kids? Doesn't diversity have the same effect on kids of other races and cultures, too? There are plenty of nonwhite kids who aren't comfortable around Anglos, Hispanics who don't like blacks (and vice versa), etc, right? Or is this the usual white liberal guilt thing, where only whites are the ignorant, sheltered racist clods who need to be enlightened by exposure to diversity?

There are still too many hiding places for white people who are uncomfortable with diversity.

Psst, the same thing applies to many Indian, Hispanic, Korean, African-American, Muslim, etc. people. They may not be racists, they may just want to associate with people from their own culture. Are you going to issue a pronouncement that "their lives are diminished?"

Eric Celeste says:

So, been busy finishing the print version of D Magazine today, and never got around to commenting on the DMN editorial at our little blog. As someone who lives a quarter-mile from Woodrow, whose daughter is going there (unless she's accepted to DISD arts magnet), and who has about 30 friends and colleagues who went to top-notch private schools in the area, then, uh, yeah, what Jim said.

Amy S says:

The signs arising in the Woodrow neighborhood are being carried across Dallas. Neighborhoods in the north (Hillcrest and WT White) are sporting "Choose Public" signs, indicating a desire to show neighbors that Public schools students live just down the street.

Yeah, not everyone who've been through our neighborhood school has had the great experience we've had with our kids, but most have headed towards magnets, and have been very happy within DISD's embrace.

Go Green, Go White, Spartans (sorry, I was raised in E.Lansing). I'll agree to disagree on that with you.

billh says:

I've been reluctant to be criticize Woodrow. Mainly because I don't know that my son's experience was representative. Still, I felt it unfair not to at least say that our experience was mixed at best. There were some extraordinary teachers there. Hard working and very conscientious. Sadly, there were some just going through the motions. For those kids in the pre AP and AP classes, the experience could be pretty good. Still, the bureaucracy was on occasion really maddening, which I lay at the feet of the administration. It could be a great school and is for some people. I certainly agree that exposure to all sorts of people is the best preparation for life.

Erik, good luck with the Arts Magnet. I've heard nothing but great things about it. Same is true for the Science and Engineering Magnet.

Dallas Can't Academy says:

As a graduate of W.T. White and 8 years of Catholic school previous to that, this diversity theory is right on.

I cannot think of what my life would be like if I had chosen Jesuit. This does not apply to everyone that goes to a public or private school, but the private school kids (friends and co-workers) have always stuck out in the real world. They seem to hold stereotypes a little closer to the heart.

Public school with different races is one of the great sociological experiments. Segregation still exists, racism exists, but so do the well adjusted people that seem to be able to relate to every race.

kl says:

One thing in the editorial that struck me as odd: the complaint that there were no minorities cast in the school's stage production of Fiddler on the Roof. Poland and Russia...were there lots of minorities in the story?

Toots says:

Why am I not surprised by BaconButt's reaction? Just another racist trying to rationalize their fucked up attitude.

Hal says:

Toots I think you are way off base. There is nothing racist about Bacon's comments. There are plenty of african Americans and Hispanics who choose not to assciate with persons of another race. Diversity helps everyone. It doesn't just make white kids smarter. It makes black kids and brown kids smarter to be around white kids. There is nothing racist in this viewpoint

JimS says:

I apologize for picking on white people. But I always get such a nice bounce out of them. It's like a yard full of chickens: you twist your nose just a certain way, and they all flap. I can't make myself stop doing it.

cp says:

Hey Jim- Woodrow is HARDLY the only "path to diversity" in East Dallas.

We are talking about Dallas. Period.

This is the stupidest thing that I have read in probably,..... ever: "the kid gets out there in the world, and the world ain’t all-white. Other people smell all-white on a kid a mile away, because the kid shows it. I’m not saying those kids can’t get over it. But they can also fail to get over it."

Huh? WTF?????

Well..... YAY YOU, Jim!!! You're a fucking contradiction. Your son went to Woodrow in spite of your ownself, in spite of your own "trepidation", you admit that you never sent your kid to Woodrow and you don't even live in Lakewood..... You don't even live in Lakewood?

It's easy to live in "Old East Dallas" rather than Lakewood when it makes you sleep better at night, but still, you can't even admit to being as cool and as liberal as you want to portray yourself in your own blog, talking about what's sorely missing in the very school that you didn't want your son to attend in the first place.

I'm glad your offspring is more intelligent than you; I'm not so sorry that you reproduced.

You are a ridiculous beast, Schutze!

religion of bacon says:

Toots, as always, thanks for the thoughtful point-by-point rebuttal.

JimS, thanks for making my point. Let me know when you have the balls to try the same game with nonwhites (make sure to condescendingly call them a "yard full of chickens").

annonymous says:

Here's the thing:

It's so easy to live in a quarter-million dollar home "not in Lakewood" and squawk about "diversity" at the local high school and being good liberals because you have chosen to live in such a uniquely diverse and assuredly "NOT LAKEWOOD" neighborhood in East Dallas, as if Bryan and Live Oak is on the urban fringes of society and as if you need some sort of tattoo that grabs attention to the fact that "HEY MY SON WENT TO AN INNER CITY SCHOOL!!!". Good thing for you, Schutze, that you get to write a column once a week, you need the attention.

And this is why it's easy for you to preach about diversity. The ironic part is that you think you are so liberal and enlightened and somehow better off than some people who might just be being honest about being conservative. It's annoying because you are not so honest with your own comments...

I might start to believe anything you say if you ever bothered to take your smug-ass liberal squishy self over to a *real* East Dallas neighborhood south of I-30, in a quiet, stable neighborhood of modest homes less than $100,000 with all manner of diversity-- senior citizens; young, gay couples; Latino families;, Black families;, young Christian Conservative heterosexual couples and families; senior citizen lesbian couples; young, black lesbian and gay couples; gay Latino families; single dudes; single chicks; single chicks with kids; single dudes with kids; senior citizen couples with no kids....... you name it, and all playing together on the neighborhood association softball team!!!

But no, in your view of "liberal diversity" (and DAMN YANKEE ELITISM, I might add...) you simply cannot see all the truly cool stuff in front of your face, either because you refuse to see it, you are afraid of it, you're a hypocrite, or you simply don't give a damn. I suppose it makes for good press or good blog trash. Then again, if I lived in a wealthy East Dallas neighborhood rather than the modest little one I live in instead, I might have a different opinion our "diverse" schools too.

Do you not see the inherent racism in your whole commentary above? Do you honestly think that you are doing poor minority immigrants any favors, or helping their struggles by simply allowing your son to attend a mostly minority public school, so that he might "learn" what the real world is like, rather allowing him to actually live in the real world and actually see the way real poor people live?????

I think that you, Jim Schutze, know about as much about neighborliness as your good friend, Rod Dreher. You're an insular idiot. Please, do Dallas a favor and stop writing about how "diverse" you are because your son went to a public school in East Dallas, apparently against your own better wishes. If you can't see how phobic you are with your stupid, condescending rants, then you need to just go back to your beloved Michigan. Sorry Jim but we just don't need this pedestrian and 1960's shit here.

anon says:

Why is it some people's idea of diversity is so shallow? Skin color as a measure of diversity? What is this, 1950?

Anonymous says:

In that sense toots, you could also say that you hold some bigoted attitudes yourself. Ive met plenty of bigots in my time of ALL colors, creeds, religions, ect.. who use the whole "blame whitey" excuse when they cant handle up on their own problems.

That being said, I understand why the neighborhood wants to keep their schools the way they are. Looks what DISD try to do with Stonewall Jackson awhile back. The Idiots off ross wanted to start shoving more kids in there that didnt need to be there, as the school is specifically for the neighborhood and children whom are deaf. The parents raised hell and rightfully so, which got the district off their back. With woodrow, I can see the fierce loyalty and devotion. They want to take their school back and I hope they do.

Jesuit Ranger says:

I went to Forest Meadow (Forest Ghetto) and then Jesuit 10 years ago. Diversity is much more than skin deep...different cultures, backgrounds, family situations, religion, and wealth. Jesuit has an extensive program of scholarships that help people that may be otherwise priced out of private school in Dallas, which leads to a deeper diversity than just skin color. Forest Meadow on the other hand has diversity...the kind of diversity that makes you want to go to private school. The kind of diversity and lack of control that forces a kid to constantly monitor, lock up, and protect their own text books, cleats, jackets, ipods, and valentine's candy...or it will be stolen.

Forest Meadow is a prime example of a school that is no longer a neighborhood school, its where overflow goes and where the school no longer serves the community.

Rhinosaur says:

I thought diversity was an old wooden ship.

Observist says:

I thought diversity was a big store that sold scuba gear.

JimS says:

When did white people become the touchy-touchy ones?

Chris Chris says:

Braws, I'm confused. My frosted tips are white, but the years of tan-in-a-can have made me orange. Should I be pissed? Call me, I'll be in line for the Ghost Bar "toothing".

Lakewooder says:

Hey annonymous, relax. Shutze made a comment about the DMN piece and he did so with full disclosure. I'm not sure why you're so upset. As best I can tell, he simply isn't liberal enough for your tastes. If that's the case, quit reading this stuff. I'm sure there's someone in your highly enlightened neighborhood of "real east Dallas" that offers thought provoking commentary.

Fritz says:

You're right again Jim. If you want your kid to be a complete fucking douchebag that's scared of the "bad neighborhoods" but goes there anyway to buy his drugs, go private!

JimS says:

Anonymous, at some point, no matter what has happened in history, you're going to have to stop screaming reverse discrimination about everything and get past the whole "blame-blackie" thing.

Chad says:

I think real diversity happens when a kid wants to explore something new and different to them. It's the parents job to foster that interest and not force it. If a white/black/brown/yellow/whatever kid has no interest in exploring the culture/traits of other races then they shouldn't have to. Not all kids want to be sociologists.

:shrug: maybe i'm just naive or overly simplistic but i don't see the big problem. Just let kids know that it's ok to be who they are and the world is a big place full of different things to explore. They can take it from there.

Billusa99 says:

Anonymous,
Calm down. If you don't want your cat to piss in your corn flakes in the morning, don't leave your bowl on the floor.

Woodrow Wildcat says:

When I was at Woodrow there were plenty of conservatives who sent their kids to those hallowed halls. I don't think it is a liberal vs. conservative vs. diversity dilemma.

The people in Lakewood really love this school. Most of them went there and had the same teachers and traditions for almost 80 years. This is a family, it's a fraternity, it's a phenomenon.

Diversity is a good byproduct. Woodrow always had people of all incomes (one kid in my class had a Daddy making the 100 richest Texans list each year and others couldn't afford their drillteam uniform). So one learns not only to know and love people of other races but also how to deal with anyone you might meet in life (that means pompous Parkies too).

I would say most Wildcats, if ever in trouble, could call any other Wildcat of any era for help. I don't think you are going to find that most schools, public or private.

Oh and I wouldn't worry about academics if you have an AP kid - they have been ranked a mong the top (yes above Frisco)in National Merit Finalists, and in lists in Newsweek, D Magazine etc. The top two grads last year went to Yale and Princeton, something no other public or private school accomplished in the Dallas area.

And if your kid can't handle Woodrow, I really wouldn't place any bets on him handling life beyond high school.

pdalton says:

Jim --

I'm not going to jump in on the Woodrow bandwagon -- I fell lucky that I and both of my children attended Woodrow. Those who didn't -- or whose children didn't -- attend can't know enough to credibly complain and those who did owe no explanation to others.

But I do want to comment on your lament about the absence of Latin at Woodrow.

In truth, your son really didn't miss getting to take Latin at Woodrow by much.

Latin was a popular choice when I was at Woodrow in the '60s; so popular, in fact, that we had TWO Latin teachers back then.

By 1995, when my first born started at Woodrow, Latin was still being taught -- and by one of those same two teachers from 30 years earlier.

By 1997, however, that teacher retired. Two different Woodrow Principals tried hard to replace her, but neither had any success at recruiting a Latin teacher into a Central Dallas school.

Eventually, the pressure to bring in more math specialists for TAKs was too great to keep the spot open any longer. So substitutes finished up the classes for the remaining Latin students, and the Latin position -- as well as Latin at Woodrow -- just faded away. That, I believe, was around the time your son arrived at Woodrow.

Finally, about Latin: I really don't claim to now remember anything of substance from my own 3 years of Latin (other than an anecdote or two that I'll not pass along here); but I am positive that having taken Latin at Woodrow helped me with other languages, as well as with science, math, history, and even English classes in college. And Latin remained surprisingly helpful long after I left school and broke out into the "real" world (and not just for working crossword puzzles). Learning Latin meant learning about Caesar, Cicero, the Roman empire, Greek and Roman mythology, and much more about how people lived 2000+ years ago.

While some call it a "Dead" language because it's now spoken so rarely, Latin is still worth studying if for no reason other than it provides such an enjoyable window onto a part of history that is well worth knowing. In fact, knowing something about what happened with and to the old Roman Empire could be very useful information for some of today's leaders and today's problems.

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