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Lies My Mayor Told Me

Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 10:29:24 AM

The Vote No! Save the Trinity campaign sent a mailer to my house -- so I assume it went everywhere else, including your house -- with a picture of Tom Leppert on the front and a headline that read, “Don’t let Angela Hunt send a billion dollars down the river.” That’s not a precise quote, because I don’t have it in front of me and can’t find a copy. I already took out the trash.

The claim -- and it’s one Leppert has repeated in debates -- is that voting yes in the November 6 referendum on the Trinity River toll road will cost taxpayers a billion dollars. Leppert has been decidedly vague about where and why we would lose a billion -- for the road or for the park? But he has been emphatic about saying we will lose the billion.

So for the last week, Dallas Morning News transportation writer Michael Lindenberger has been calling people for a story about the billion dollars we will lose if we vote for Proposition 1. And on Page One of The News yesterday, we saw the product of his labors.

Let me just take this down for you. Jump along -- it's the weekend, what else do you have to do?

The news in the story, if you can untangle it from paragraphs two and three, is that we will not lose a billion dollars. The headline of the story, then, should be, “Leppert Found Big Fat Liar with Pants on Fire,” right?

But, no. The headline in the print edition was, “Millions tied to tollway,” with a deck of, “Dallas would likely have to spend more than planned for Trinity project if road voted down.”

Oh, man, why do I even read this stuff? It just makes my head hurt.

Here is one of the logic keys that you have to keep in mind in order to keep Leppert and The News from twisting your brain into a pretzel (so your brain won’t look like mine): We are only on the line for the toll road to the tune of the $86 million in city bond funds authorized by the 1998 election.

That’s all we pay. If the road costs more, other people gotta pay. We already put our money in. Deal’s a deal. We paid at the office.

The total cost of the road keeps flying all over the place. First it was $600 million. Then it went to a billion. A month ago the city said it was $1.2 billion. Later they said $1.3 billion. In a more recent debate Leppert said $1.4 billion. In Lindenberger’s story, the cost was back down to $1.2 billion.

Um, how much should we trust somebody who can only hit the target within $200 million? Seems like a thousand chimpanzees with a thousand calculators could do better than that.

But look: When the Vote No! people talk about what a good deal the road is, they are the ones who point out that we’re only in it for $86 million. The rest is gravy to us. They suggest the rest will have to be paid by the North Texas Tollway Authority.

So if we’re only in it for $86 million when the road goes in the park inside the levees, we’re only in it for $86 million outside the levees. Right? Deal’s a deal.

But Leppert keeps trying to suggest we will lose all of the funding for the toll road and then have to build it ourselves if we don’t put it inside the levees.

We’re never going to pay for the whole toll road. City Manager Mary Suhm has said that to my face. What, are we crazy? If it came to the city having to pay this gargantuan amount, the road just wouldn’t be built.

Angela Hunt makes the point that the tollway authority wants to build this road inside the levees no matter what it costs -- $600 million or $1.4 billion. So why wouldn’t they want to build it outside the levees no matter what it costs?

Lindenberger doesn’t pin any of this down. He lets the tollway authority get away with saying the cost inside the levees is $1.2 billion even though Leppert just said it was $1.4 billion. He lets the tollway authority get away with saying the cost outside the levees is $1.6 billion without an ounce of data or analysis to prove it. But then he says the additional cost, if the road goes outside the levees, will be $500 million.

Hey, now we have a real arithmetic problem. Let’s say we let them get away with the low cost inside the levees -- $1.2 billion. And then we add $500 million. Mr. Lindenberger, I keep getting $1.7 billion as the cost outside the levees. Not $1.6. Oh, well. It’s only addition.

Lindenberger throws in $12 million that he says we will lose for ramps off the toll road into the park. But, wait a minute here, Hieronymus. Why do we need ramps off the toll road if we don’t have a toll road? If we have a parkway and not a toll road, then we can have crosswalks.

He quotes Craig Holcomb as saying we will lose the million dollars a mile that the toll authority has promised to spend on landscaping. But last time this came up, Holcomb and company had to admit that permanent landscaping won’t be possible in the flood way where they want to build this thing, so we’ll have to have trees in pots.

Know what? I don’t want to see a million dollars worth of shriveled trees in pots out there turning to charcoal in the Texas heat. It’s a hideous idea. Poor trees! I for one will be thrilled to see the trees in pots idea go away totally and forever. I suggest the toll road backers put themselves in pots out along the levees and see how they like it.

Lindenberger quotes Trinity Project Director Rebecca Dugger as saying if the road goes away, the tollway authority won’t contribute $25 million in excavation work to digging our lakes. But Dugger must also have said to him, as she says to all reporters, that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers will dig those lakes, so we probably won’t lose any or most of that money. But he doesn’t mention that.

The two biggest twisteroonies of fact in this story are these: Linenbarger reports as accepted fact that putting the road outside the levees will cost more than inside, because the city will have to buy land to put it on. But city staff are on record saying the outside-the-levees alignment is no longer more expensive than inside.

There are many reasons for that, especially the enormously expensive work that must be done to flood-protect the road inside the levees and to protect the park and river from pollution from the road.

I happen to know that some of the people he interviewed told him this and dared him to check it out. He didn’t do it.

The second thing is something some of his interview subjects also challenged him on: if this road really only costs us $86 million, no matter where it goes, and if it now costs the tollway authority way more than a billion, how is the tollway authority going to pay for it?

They just completed the same length of toll road up in Collin Country for a fifth the cost. How do they make this dog pay out if it’s going to cost this enormous amount more?

All he had to do was ask them. He didn’t.

It’s not easy. I have been waiting quite some time for my answer to the same question, which I had to make in the form of a legal demand after the tollway folks declined to take my phone calls. But at least he could have tried.

So he winds up with a front-page story in which he stands on his head and talks pig Latin in order to suggest that the mayor’s telling the truth and Angela Hunt is going to cost us tons of money.

What can I even say about that? What can anybody say? It just gets more and more absurd, and some day it will finally be funny. But not yet. Not today. --Jim Schutze

Category: Schutze

33 Comments:

Brian says:

Jim, I'm glad somebody else noticed that fuzzy math in the DMN story yesterday. But you know what's a tenth of a billion $ between friends?

Thanks also for writing about how much the city is "capped" for this road. I've heard this a couple of times recently and it was a new one on me. I think Mr. Mike Morris of the N. Central TX Council of Govts has been trotting that out as part of his pitch that the city would be on the hook for any increased costs. I still don't get why that wouldn't be the NTTA which is building the dang road!

No way Leppert tries to make good on his threat to raise taxes if this thing doesn't go his way. Raise taxes $1 billion? Hasn't he been trying to find a way to lower taxes? His scare tactics don't pass the sniff test.

knottygirl says:

I am sure you mean to say that you already took out the recycling instead of the trash. Or already lined your bird's cage, or already turned it into compost, etc. Show some respect for the trees that went into making the propaganda, will you?

dallasguy says:

Im sorry, outside funds wont cover the cost of moving businesses and purchasing property, only building the road. so yes, even the most unobtrusive reliever route costs almost $500 million more that must be paid by dallas taxpayers. that doesnt cover the more ridiculous suggestions of tunnels that can balloon from 2 to 4 billion easily, which dallas taxpayers will have to pay almost all of.
Its pretty easy math:
toll road in levees:$86 million
toll road down industrial: +500 million
tunnel: way too expensive
im also not sure why a 200 million estimate variation in completing a complicated project is egregious. Thats a pretty good range. The big dig in boston went over by billions.
I havent discussed the cost of rewriting bond programs, the cost to the economy because of the delay, the cost of more expensive materials as the road will be delayed, or the economic costs of relocating businesses. If that is not enough the air quality in dallas will get worse without a reliever route and commuters will suffer trying to navigate a transportation gird without a reliever route.
Hey Schutze,
Why dont you call dallas's urban planners who agree with the mayor and the council liars too? Is its because its easier to take on politicians than the ones who provide the facts?

No amount of distortions can change the facts agreed on by the vast majority of organizations and individuals involved with this project.

JimS says:

Dallasguy, you sound like someone inside. Please, be welcome. I'm thrilled you are here. Maybe you really can help with soem of these questions:
The last time I heard, the NTTA's share of the toll road was capped at $150 million based on its traffic studies and what the underwriters told them: basically, the toll road will only generate enough traffic and toll revenue to back $150 million in bonds.
I realize that was before the NTTA went to the lege and got the law changed so they can use toll revenue from other roads to back bonds for this one.
But we have a certain base-line reality here. This is a $150 million toll road, based on the amount of business it can do on its own.
Toss in the city's $84 or $86 million, depending on your view of it, and you have enough money for a $236 million road.
But somebody -- maybe not you, Dallasguy, but somebody -- says the NTTA can dig up an additional billion-plus somewhere to subsidize this sucker and make it happen.
So let's take them at their word. Let's say they can pull a billion out of the hat for the road between the levees.
Why can't they pull the same billion out of the same hat for the road outside the levees?
Question Two: tell me how the cost of property acquisition outside the levees compares with the costs of flood-protecting the road and protecting the park and river from road pollution. Hey, if you really know soemthing and you're not just some scared squirrel defending his own two-bit cubicle, put it down, man. Tell me how the costs of flood protecting the road and sequestering it from the park compare with the cost of property acquisition outside the road.
Show me what you got, man.
Otherwise, I accept your invitation to go after the planners. Good idea, in fact.
So many liars, so little time.

JimS says:

Oh, I just thought who you are, Dallasguy. Sorry. I apologize for my tone. It's late.
But now that I know who you are, let me say this about you guys on Industrial. I see your newsletters and some of your internal memos. You're all gloating about how much money you can make flipping your land after the road gets built. Those businesses are all your tenants, and you're going to evict every last one of them when that road gets built. I'm not against your making money, but is it really my obligatiobn as a citizen to sacrifice my park in order to make sure you win at craps?

Branden Helms says:

Hey Dallasguy, as a voter, I never agreed on it, and we are the most important organization or individuals of all.

Jim, it should be noted that the NTTA has twice said this road is too expensive to do. In 1970 a tolled-freeway was proposed to go in the levees from Union Station in downtown Dallas to downtown Fort Worth. The primary reasons was to relieve traffic congestion on what is now I-30. In 1974, the project was shot down, with the number one reason being the costs.

Then, in 1985 Citizens Council member John Stemmons re-proposed the idea, this time extending it from Union Station to US 175. There was also a branch following a Trinity fork to Carrollton. Though virtually the same road, the reason given was to relieve congestion on I-35. In 1988, the then-TTA said it was too expensive.

So, somehow a road that has gone from a projected total of $394 million to $1.4 billion is still not expensive? The precident is there and that it that the NTTA can't do this road on its own.

dave c. says:

So called dallasguy,

I'm sorry, but we didn't vote for it and we don't have to keep it and we don't have to pay for it. That is all there is to it. No sell, Mr. Trying to make a buck at the expense of the people of Dallas.

We can vote YES Nov. 6th and we are out of the toll road business. Here, there and everywhere. Ain't it grand.

God bless Trinity Vote Yes folks for their brave work and the thousands that signed the petition. Thanks to them, WE (the voter of Dallas) have a choice.

This road is a bad fix for a regional transportation problem that the NTTA would like to solve (for a profit) on our land and with a big chunk of our money.

And as far as that crap about this road improving the air in Dallas, you don't have a single fact to back that up and it flies in the face of all reason. Roads don't improve the air. This road will create pollution in Dallas it won't make it disappear. Good grief.

You want this road? Move it west outside the city where it belongs or stick it where the sun don't shine. You dishonest, corporate, greedy types need to rip off some other town this time. I don't like being lied to and that is exactly what happened. Balance Plan my ass. This project has turned into a Big ugly toll road.

The toll road will cut the size of the park and ruin any value that the people of Dallas could have enjoyed from it.

Parks Department Director Paul Dyer is on record saying that the funds for the park aren't dependent on the toll road.

The Federal money for flood control isn't dependent on the road either.

Your coalition of the willing is just the bought, the bullied and the buck seekers. I have seen Tom (The Tin Man) Leppert at a debate and he can't answer a single question about this toll road and neither can anyone on the council. If you have any "facts" you might want to pass them on to the sales guys.

Oh, and BTW those Urban Planners of yours must be planning for the improvement of some other urban because this road does nothing for Dallas. If we have urban planners that are telling us that a toll road in a flood way is a good idea for us then we should fire the idiots.

Anonymous says:

Dallas Guy,

Arkansas Jones wiped out an entire neighborhood in Arlington for a football stadium that is going to cost Arlington voters another sales tax to cover the additional police service that Jones isn't paying for.

It certainly did not take 5 years for Jones to wipe out those families who had lived there for 2 and 3 generations. Buying out a bunch of pawnshops and bailbonds offices is not going to cost $500 mill. The scraped land would not be worth that.

Look at what a goldmine the North Dallas Tollway has been for everything near it, land values, etc. The Toll Road on Industrial would be a plus.

More importantly, Jim's discovery of the Allen trucking connection to the toll road dispels any question that it will be used by big trucks. That's where the Trinity Toll Road would end out -- right at the inland port area.

The urban planners get paid by the politicians. It's an incestuous relationship. Politicians tell the planners what they want, the planners try to make it look feasible. Politicians wanted to develop in the Missouri and Mississippi floodways. They got planners to say it was feasible. Tell the flood victims that the planners knew what they were talking about.

Common sense will check an urban planner every time.

Nathan says:

Dallasguy, help me out.
Which one of the current freeways in Dallas has helped reduce traffic congestion and improve air quality? It seems to me that our air quality has decreased every time we pave a new freeway.

As to the alternative route, I have a compromise. Why don't we not build this road at all. I'm sure that the Allen Group will find a another way to get their polluting NAFTA trucks through/around our city.

And your last point? I think one of the purposes of having this referendum is because the integrity of the organizations and politicians involved in this project has been called into question. So lets not beat around the bush here. The statement that we have to build this particular freeway in this particular location or the city will suffer horrible, awful consequences is a lie.

Don Abbott says:

A significant factor, that virtually everyone engaged in this hysterical debate is missing, has to do with voter psychology. There are thousands of voters in Dallas itching for this election. Why? It's payback time: for the Miller betrayal, 75205 envy, the Love Field debacle, crime, crime and more crime, and an opportunity to stick to "the man" (aka blows against the empire). Buckle up insiders, this is going to be a humiliating defeat.

wobert rilonsky says:

Dallasguy (and Jim) - isn't this whole thing kind of silly.

Who the fuck puts a reliever route 2 miles from the original route?

How is this going to make the air quality better exactly?

There are already two reliever routes for long distance Interstate traffic.

1) 35W is a shorter rout going north/south
2) Loop 12/spur 408 is the reliever route for traffic going to and from I20.

Otherwise, all this reliever route does is dump more cars onto side streets faster.

A much better choice if you REALLY want a reliever route, is to extend Loop 12 from I20 to I35 in Red Oak. That takes whole bunch of truck traffic off off of 35E.

In any case, the only thing better than making the cars move FASTER is taking people OUT of their cars. Here's a thought...build a kick ass park, maintain it well, make it easy to get to from Downtown and Midtown, and maybe people will want to live down there, and drive LESS (gasp)

Or how about this...fix the schools, fix the zoning, and maybe less people will feel the need to commute from Denton County into Downtown

This whole "WE NEED A RELIEVER ROUTE" is so transparently crazy! But it is even crazier to think to put it in the middle of the park.

Anonymous says:

AHunt is the emotional cheerleader for the masses while VoteYes is being pushed by the CORPS b/c they don't want a tollroad inside their levess.

It is a win-win for both parties involved.

(FYI - you guys spend WAY to much time on this..i.e.Nathan).


dallasguy says:

@don abbot
that may very well be the case but it doesnt make the costs ive outlined magically go away. For the record there is not a tidal wave of Yes voters. Most voters will be influenced by the advertising as we get closer to the election date. I dont think that TrinityVote can do much more advertising with their financial situation so I would expect an eventual vote No victory.
@JimS
You should in all honesty go after the urban planners. they "lie" =) just as much as the last 3 mayors. You should at least be honest when you attack people who know far more about this project and the city than you apparently do.
@dave c
no, roads that relieve congestion dramatically relieve pollution. congestion causes mopst air pollution, not necessarily the number of cars using the road network
@Branden Helms
not as expensive as the other options on the table.
@Nathan
No not horrible consequences but consequences you as a citizen will have to pay for. You might feel you dont need a reliever route but the regional economy(which dallas is a part of) does so if you feel so strongly that city hall is just a bunch of liars then i would oblige you to vote yes. Of course if it turns out that the project becomes delayed (which it will) or you will be forced to pay exorbitant new bond programs (which you will have to) you wont be able to claim you werent warned. That will be an improvement over the nice DUMB SOB or F*ck comments ive seen on the internet about city leaders.

heart and soul says:

Where are your facts dallasguy? You don't have any to back up your claims and your threats sound pretty silly.

I am glad that you have admitted that Dallas doesn't need this road and that the road is really for the regional economy. That little admission blows the wheels off all your lame arguments. Also blows your cover, NotForDallasguy.

Had to laugh about your confidence in the No Campaign because of their big money advantage.
If you are so sure of your victory what are you doing out here all alone on the blogs on a Sunday afternoon? Money can't buy you love?

Nathan says:

Dallasguy? Forced to pay with exorbitant bond programs? I will be forced to approve of new bond programs if this one is a complete failure? The Dallas economy needs a reliever route?

The TRP passed with less than 52 percent voter approval. I suspect that any further bond propositions that are presented to the voters will be rejected as many are tired of the well fare checks that the city is writing to developers and special interest.

Our local economy needs this reliever route like it needs an out break of the bubonic plague. This road will be a liability for future generations who are going to be living in a much more densely populated Dallas. If commercial traffic needs a way around our city, then it will have to wait for the land grabbing Trans-Texas Corridor. Until then it will just have to do with what we have.

Wylie H. says:

DallasGuy,

- 90,000 (or 50,000 or 60,000 or whatever) voters is definitely a tidal wave... several times greater than the number of voters who originally approved the bond issue (ignoring the fact that many later changed their minds when they realized they'd been duped) and several times greater than those who elected our morally and intellectually bankrupt so-called "leaders." Certainly more than the number of people who elected the Dallas (area) Citizens Council.

When we talk about planners, what about the shock they expressed when they learned that the parkway had become a high-speed truck route? They sure didn't seem to be lying.

Your idea that putting a high-speed truck route down the middle of the Trinity will relieve pollution simply boggles the mind.

It is impossible for you to say that the Industrial alignment is more expensive since no one yet knows the cost of the Trinity River alignment. (I know it's irritating, but voters would feel a lot more comfortable if they had a detailed cost estimate... which has yet to be produced.)

Finally if this thing really is a regional issue, why doesn't the region help share in the cost. Thanks to Ft. Worth and the DFW Airport Board, the citizens of Dallas are being forced to bear exclusively the several hundred million direct cost associated with the partial tear down of Love Field (this ignores the cost of transferring significant economic activity to Grapevine, Irving, Euless, Bedford, Ft. Worth, etc.). Why is it that Dallas is always supposed to pay for all this so-called regional betterment?

Look at the City of Dallas... really look at it! It's falling apart... we can only dream of having the kind of parks, police & fire protection, levels of safety, good schools, etc. that folks in the suburbs take for granted.

Mike says:

I hardly even know where to start with you, "Dallasguy."

The people you respond to are more than capable of answering for themselves, without doubt; yet your comments merit a wider response. You're really something else; arrogance and ignorance is a frightful combination.

As for no "tidal wave of YES voters," well, let's just wait and see about that on November 6th, Mister.

As for people who know "far more about this project and the city than JimS apparently does...I doubt they even exist...and that would certainly include YOU, Mister.

Your theory that roads do not create pollution is nonsensical and moronic, with NO factual basis. Pollution is pollution, regardless of the speed of the traffic...and the more traffic, the more pollution. Got it?

If the "regional economy" needs (as you arbitrarily opine) a reliever route, then let the regional economy pay for it. That, however, is a totally separate issue from the Trinity Park project, and always has been. The attempt to craft that into the Trinity project is fraudulent.

Oh, and your threat that that we "will be forced to pay exorbitant new bond programs" is total crap. Guess what, Ziggy: WE get to approve any and all bond programs. It's OUR money, and don't you dare threaten us with that bullshit. WE don't get FORCED to do a goddamn thing.

Scott says:

Hey 'Dallasguy'. You might want to rethink your comments about voters. The original Trinity River bond package was passed by voters who wanted a park. People like me who thought the park was a bad idea voted against it. Now most of the voters on both sides of the original bond package vote are likely to vote "Yes". Who are the "No" voters?

dave c. says:

"roads that relieve congestion dramatically relieve pollution."

dallasguy, I believe you pulled the above statement right out of your ass. You want to back that up with any credible evidence?

The only way we can reduce air pollution is to do more mass transit. This has all been studied by smarter people than me look it up. Taking out our trees, wetlands and green spaces and replacing them with concrete and truck traffic will not improve our air.

You are either a mindless idiot or you are simply lying for your personal gain. I think it is the latter. Whatever, you saying the same dumb thing over and over won't make it true.

The truth is Dallas is best served by spending our transportation dollars fixing our existing roads and investing in mass transit.

I know you are not interested in the truth because it is not on your side in this debate but there it is anyway.

wendy says:

Meanwhile, Dallas Morning News Bold Types' top story is about possums in Seagoville. In 1960. For the last three days.

Jim, you give me hope for our city. Thanks


Anonymous says:

I would think tolls would have to either be substantially higher on the Trinity Tollroad or tolls would have to go up system-wide to pay for debt on the new road.

Taking the NTTA annual debt service from $75 million to roughly $125 million after adding $1 billion in new debt (if not more) while only adding maybe $20 million in new annual toll revenues at best makes for a large potential shortfall.

Brody says:

Purely by observation only (so yeah, no facts to back this up), it's easy to see the majority of congestion comes from poorly designed interchanges, not road capacity (number of lanes). Am I the only one that sees that? Instead of supporting Project Pegasus (the plan that would fix this, right?), the city is all tangled up on this "cure-all" toll road. If this thing passes, I just hope our city leaders are big boys, will forgo the pouting, and focus on plausible solutions like that.

And about all these voters that backed the Trinity 9 years ago--are we forgetting that there's scads more eligible voters for this new referendum? People who have moved to the city in that time (like me), young people who have since reached voting age, etc. There's a whole new demographic out there that is just itching to weigh in on this.

sweettalk says:

Last week at the Trinity Trust, I attended a wonderful lecture on the promise of waterfront development delivered by a long-time urban planner from Vancouver, consistently rated as one of the world's most livable cities. Within a decade, Vancouver's downtown population increased from 40,000 to 90,000. At 587,891 and 2,180,737, respectively, the populations of Vancouver proper and its metro area are about half as large as those of our city and the Dallas-Plano-Irving metropolitan division.

What I did not know until last Thursday night and, in light of current events, what I found ironic to hear at this Trinity Trust event was that Vancouver HAS NO FREEWAYS into or through the downtown area. The only major freeway within city limits is Highway 1, which passes through the eastern edge of the city. All other limited-access routes entering the city, cease being freeways before they enter Vancouver's city limits. Central to the long-term plan to shape the city's growth, protect surrounding farming areas, arrest urban sprawl and boost population densities was investment in public transport, cycling and pedestrian measures — not freeways. The theory was that congestion, and the desire to avoid it, would drive commuters to alternatives: moving closer to their work and using the train and bus system. I’d say we could learn a lot from Vancouver.

Taylor says:

Excellent article Sam! Unlike the DMN you did your homework and got the facts whereas Belo is relying on scare tactics.

Spectator says:

I thought "reliever route" was code for "Allience Airport - Hutchins Depot Expressway".

Wasn't this covered back in '98?

muffin man fan says:

Maybe I'm paranoid, but I don't see how the ordinance language for the referendum would keep out the toll road, in spite of all the "Keep their toll roads out of our park" campaigning. As far as I can tell, it only limits the speed and the number of lanes. It doesn't say anything about preventing toll collection. Am I misreading it?

donnat says:

Help me understand the $500 fee at the end of the ballot language, someone. Am I reading it wrong? If the fat cats in Dallas who suck the teat of public dollars want to build a toll road even after it's voted down, are they only going to be fined $500? How is that any deterrent?

Chico Harris says:

I read an article early on that claimed that the $500 dollar fee is the most that can be charged by the city of Dallas for this type of violation, and is essentially boilerplate language that is in most of Dallas' ordinances.

The important part of the TrinityVote ordinance -- the part that really puts teeth into it -- is Section 1(e) that says "In addition to all other enforcement mechanisms authorized by law, this ordinance may be enforced by a suit for injunctive or declaratory relief brought by any registered voter of the City of Dallas."

I believe that this clause gives standing to any registered Dallas voter to sue the city if the city ignores the law. Basically, enforcement shifts to the courts. The threat of losing that suit (and the dozens of suits to follow if the first fails) is the true enforcement mechanism of the ordinance.

Anonymous says:

Yawn!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

ED says:

The vote yes crowd seems to want to use scare tactics.

Adding a new highway does add capacity and increase speeds. However, the total volume on both will be greater than the volume on the first.

Think of adding a second hose to a spigot; this act alone does not create water. Adding the second route does allow more access points.

In the highway sense, by increasing capacity you are allowing waiting drivers on surface streets easier access (more entrance ramps over a wider area) to enter a highway. Overall, by getting all cars (surface and highway) moving faster the pollution will decrease.

You should not try to evaluate only the cars that are on the highway, but instead include all drivers that would use the highway.

For the record, I plan to vote YES. Misinformation diminishes the credibility of all those involved.

Branden Helms says:

ED, the problem with that assesement is that traffic is not a linear function.

The thing that is center to the building roads does not relieve congestion is called the Induced Traffic Principle. Essentially, a drivers tolerance in traffic is stop and go. Any less than that, the driver seeks alternatives, whether they be other freeways, side streets, no trip or transit. Well most freeways can handle stop and go traffic.

A great example locally is Central. Prior to it reconstruction, it was three lanes to Mockingbird and two thereafter. Shortly before its reconstruction, Plano was one of the fastest growing cities in the country. During its reconstruction, DART's express buses saw a rise in didership. Other people carpooled, made less trips or combined them, or took alternate routes.

When capacity was added, people's behavior changed. Instead of a linear increase over time, Central saw a massive rise in the number of vehicles traveling on it. Now instead of 2-3 lanes of congestion, we have 4. Also, it made living in Allen and McKinney easier, and what has happened, they are now on the list of fastest growing cities in the country, because it is easier to live further away.

Nathan says:

The problem with the spigot analogy is that no matter how many hoses you have attached to it, you can always turn the water off. Traffic is a different creature all together. If you build the roads, they will come, there is no spigot.

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