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Bible Girl: The Unfair Park Religion Column

How Would Jesus Eat?

By Julie Lyons, Friday, Aug. 10 2007 @ 1:13PM
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Categories: Bible Girl: The Unfair Park Religion Column

This week, Bible Girl turns to Jared Binder, a graduate student at Dallas Theological Seminary and a Dallas Observer intern, for thoughts on the "deadly sin" no one ever talks about in church. Bible Girl posts from Bible Girl will be sparse in the next few weeks; I'm working on something for the paper version of Unfair Park.

The Bible Belt may not be expanding, but the waistlines of its residents are. It seems that the highest rates of obesity in the nation are in the East South Central part of the United States, according to ObesityinAmerica.org. That would include Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi and Tennessee. A very close second to that is the West South Central states of Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma and, you guessed it, Texas.

For those of us who live in the Bible Belt and actually believe the Bible, the news gets even worse. A 1998 study by Purdue University titled American Changing Lives showed that some religious groups such as Baptists and fundamentalists were more likely to be overweight than nonreligious people.

“The other thing that was very clear from the data is that there are certain religious practice issues that are very consequential,” says Purdue sociology professor Kenneth Ferraro, citing a more recent study. “We found that people who consume lots of religious media, TV and radio were more likely to be obese and actually to develop obesity over the study period.”

It sounds like a government conspiracy against Southern Baptists. But the problem is not with the government. The problem is with many of us Christians.

There’s this thing in the Bible called gluttony. The Bible says it’s a sin. But we don’t like to talk about that particular sin. We prefer to point a pudgy finger at others and decry the evils of drugs and alcohol, pornography, abortion and homosexuality. Compared to those, gluttony is just a little sin.

"I think as a church we’re pretty selective -- like for example, on the church sin list you’ve got alcohol and tobacco, and those tend to make a lot of the popular sin lists, but you don’t have caffeine. I could deny the Trinity and keep my job easier than taking away all the coffee pots on Sunday morning,” says Pastor Gary Brandenburg of Fellowship Bible Church Dallas. “Or how about church potlucks? There’s the greatest array of artery-clogging food and cholesterol-producing food known to man at church potlucks. That’s OK as long as you don’t smoke a cigarette outside the church.”

This “little” sin of gluttony is killing people by the hundreds of thousands every year. Obesity has now surpassed smoking as the No. 1 health threat in America. It can be directly linked to high cholesterol, high blood pressure, Type II Diabetes, acid reflux, sleep apnea, heart disease and many forms of cancer.

So why aren’t more pastors and churches talking about it? One reason is pretty obvious. We don’t want to risk losing church members by offending anyone.

“It is an issue that potentially could disaffiliate individuals," Ferraro says. "Remember that it is normal to be overweight in the U.S. The majority of the adult U.S. population is overweight. And so if you start speaking about that there is a potential risk that parishioners will not like that message.”

Dr. Don Colbert, author of The Seven Pillars of Health and What Would Jesus Eat?, points out that many Christians don’t view overeating as sin because their pastors look past it or condone it. In fact, many of Colbert’s patients are obese pastors. Colbert says that if parishioners see their minister eating junk food, sporting a bulging waistline and not exercising, they will often feel free to emulate his example. As the head goes, so goes the body.

Christians don’t talk about gluttony because we don’t think we are gluttons. Gluttony has been divorced from obesity in our minds so that it becomes merely a health issue rather than a spiritual and moral one. We don’t gain weight because we eat to excess. We gain weight because of our glands and our genes. Weight problems, we tell ourselves, are a result if living in a fast-food, high-pressure culture. There’s some truth to that, but instead of going against the culture and striving for a healthier lifestyle, we have embraced the culture. There are some people out there with legitimate problems such as thyroid conditions, but for most of us “the rapidly expanding man” disease is a result of our greed and poor choices.

The Gnostics held the view that the material world was bad and that only spiritual things were good. Many of us Christians appear to agree with this perspective by the way we give little or no value to the health and condition of our bodies. They’re just going to pass away some day, right? It’s the spirit that really matters. Yet the Bible clearly teaches that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and as such deserve to be treated with care and reverence. If we treated our church buildings the way many of us treat our bodies, no one would come near them.

I know that given the choice we would all choose fit, healthy bodies over sick, flabby ones. But the truth is we want to overindulge more than we want to go through the hard work of losing weight and staying fit.

There are three major roadblocks that I see standing in the way of overweight believers. One is that as long as we refuse to see our behavior as sin, there is no chance of our repenting of it and gaining God’s help in our battle against it.

The second thing is that we seem to know only one way of dealing with temptation. We abstain. Alcohol may lead to drunkenness, so we avoid it completely. Smoking often leads to cancer, so we don’t smoke. We abstain from sex until we're married. Abstinence works well with those kinds of things, but as we all know, we can’t abstain from food.

The Bible teaches us another way of fighting overindulgence. It’s called temperance or self-control. The Bible calls temperance a fruit of the spirit. When is the last time you heard a sermon about being self-controlled in your eating and disciplining your body through exercise?

The third roadblock comes when we so abuse our bodies through excess that they enter a state of addiction. Our hormones and insulin levels are all messed up, so they trigger a ravenous appetite and cravings for the wrong kinds of food. Escaping this condition is a very difficult process. People who are serious about changing their bad habits and adopting a more active lifestyle often experience withdrawal symptoms and depression.

Perhaps the saddest thing of all is that we are passing all of our bad habits on to our children. They are not waiting until they grow up to get fat and lazy. They are modeling our behavior, and because of it they are developing diseases such as Type II diabetes and heart disease at an extremely young age.

Jesus called us to be salt and light in the world. That means we are supposed to be the standard of what is right and good. This is one area where we as a church are failing miserably. We need to get serious about the obesity epidemic and stop waiting on science to develop a miracle cure. We need to take action before it is too late.

One week before his death, Jerry Falwell said in an interview with Christiane Amanpour of CNN that he was praying to God for 20 more years of life. He wanted to see the rest of his vision for Liberty University come to pass. Obviously, God did not grant his request. Falwell died alone in his office of cardiac arrhythmia. Before the hate mail starts flooding in, please understand that I am not pointing fingers at Falwell or saying that he died of overeating. But I do know that he was very much overweight and that two years before this he’d had a stent implanted to treat a blockage in his coronary arteries. Falwell died at 73. Reaching the age of 73 is optimistic for many who struggle with obesity.

“I tell people, sure you can continue eating the way you do -- all the sugar and cake after meals and pies and cookies and Snickers bars and fried foods -- and you’ll still go to heaven,” Dr. Don Colbert says. “You’ll just go there much sooner.” --Jared Binder

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Jack Jett says:

Julie

Why don't you pose the many questions that have been presented to you from your previous posting. You just through stuff out there without any rhyme or reason and then when questioned, you go into your little "I have more work to do" mode and then throw some more crap out that has no content and no basis for posting.

And just what the Dallas Observer needs is another right wing intern.

I don't know how you are getting away with turning this into the most right wing evangelical bigoted publication in the history of journalism.

Remember when I asked you why you had not brought in anyone to cover gay issues and you said that if you did that you would have to bring in someone to cover hispanic issues.

Bring in someone that handles anything but
Jesus issues.

This paper has become about the Trinity River Project, sports, and you shoving your freaking religion down everyone's throat yet not answering to the very hypocrisy you spew.

Forget the candy.....

Do you believe that people of the Jewish faith are going to hell? Do you think that Catholics are going to hell? Your religion COGIC does. Do you stand by those beliefs?

or...Are you going to ignore them because it is easier to talk about your friend the Prophetess who anyone with a lick of sense knows is a scam. Do you ever read the responses to some of the crap you put out there? or Only the compliments that your fellow church goer give you.

Jesus Julie, do you think because you perceive us to be heathens that we are idiots?

Not all crap sticks to the wall sister.

If it were not for Robert Wilonsky, Andrea, Johnnana, Matt, this blog would be about nothing except the Trinity River and Sherman Allen...both of which are full of shit.

Candy my ass. Jerry Falwell died because he was a fat fuck and if there is a hell he is there eating candy with Jeff Dahmer.

Have you lost your freaking mind girl?

jack jett

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 10 2007 @ 1:58PM
Rachel says:

I am not a christian, but I am well familiar with Christ's admonitions not to judge others.

You overarchingly assume obesity is the end-result of greed and overindulgence - it isn't and numerous studies back this.

Instead of regurgitating facts and figures echoed in the media - which are based on studies conducted by multi-national corporations which have a vested, financial interest in seeing obesity stigmatized and classified as a disease - you ought to read ALL the facts, including the opposing viewpoints of which there are many, so that you are able to make an INFORMED conclusion.

A good man once said, "Judge not, that ye be not judged." You'd be best off to heed his advice.

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 10 2007 @ 3:57PM
Bill says:

This is an issue that needs to be raised, and with sensitivity to the people involved. I think Jared did a very good job of analyzing the issue from a Christian perspective. The article does not "judge." Rather, it exhorts believers to take seriously a sin that our society has a particular problem with. Bravo!

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 10 2007 @ 4:47PM
GV says:

There is more to understand concerning who Jesus is than what the media and so-called organized religion teaches;
Jesus was consecrated to God, he was a "Nazirite", a "Nazeer"(Numbers 6:2-8), Nazirites wear thier hair long, do not drink strong drink, do not eat meat or poutry and do not eat food that was grown under the ground.
A Nazirite is not jewish,(Jesus was not jewish, he was born on earth as a judean and levite and of the house of David) Nazirites are usually Isralite or descendant of Israel (NOT israli).
A Nazirite follows no legalism and is not a slave to legal statutes and is not enumerated by any government, Nazirites beleive in real freedom which is what the Bible teaches.
There are many Nazirites today but we do not go public because of the slanderous nature of the media, government and organized religion.
You cannot even find true information on nazirites online, don't bother trying.

Concerning glutteny: it is a sin against yourself to not disapline yourself to not over eat and/or eat to protect your health, no matter what your beliefs are.

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 10 2007 @ 4:48PM
Jack Jett says:

Julie Lyons does not work on the word INFORMED.

Her sole purpose at the Dallas Observer is to convert people to her beliefs. She is the judge. She is the jury. She is the final word at this particular edition of a Village Voice publication.

Is obesity a bigger or smaller sin than being Jewish or Catholic? Tell us Bible Girl, who will go to hell the quickest, the overeater, the Catholic, the Jew, or the homo?

What would your gal pal the PROPHETESS say.
She looked a bit on the chunky side to me.

What about Pastor Jakes....looks heft to me.

The Happy Goodman Family could have just as well have been the Happy Meal Family.

Could one person be any more hypocritical?

jeeeesh..
jack jett

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 10 2007 @ 5:17PM
Liles says:

Perhaps you should examine the other side of the question as well. What is the implicit motivation for wanting to work out every day, diet endlessly and spend gobs of money on your physical appearance? It's so you'll (hopefully) look hot as shit and other people will want to fuck you. Right? I mean, you're not just doing it to admire yourself in the mirror, are you?

Maybe that's what fat Christians are really afraid of... having to one day interact with someone who wants to have sex for fun, rather than just the moral obligation to breed.

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 10 2007 @ 7:01PM
Carla Vornheder says:

Good job. It's about time someone recognized this as a very serious issue keeping the church from reaching its potential in this nation. I wonder if our prayers are hindered. I believe that the Old Testament went on and on about idolatry in Israel for a reason. We typically make idols of food, money and people. I think that gluttony is not addressed more directly in Scripture because of how hard it would be to write anything that wouldn't be distorted and a drastic, harmful interpretation given.

By the way, I'm not judging others. I'm almost 300 lbs. I'm judging myself.

There's one other issue involved though. Expense. I live below the poverty level. Cheap food is fattening food. To get enough to last through the month, I've either gotta fast or eat fattening foods.

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 10 2007 @ 7:55PM
brint says:

I'm starting to wonder if this is an extremely well done parody blog. What Would Jesus Eat? I feel like I'm reading a less-funny version of The Onion.

Pray that fat away, Julie! Pray it away.

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 10 2007 @ 8:14PM
Jack E. Jett says:

Julie Lyons...Are these people friends of yours?

ARLINGTON, Texas — A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran 24 hours before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
Officials at the nondenominational High Point Church knew that Cecil Howard Sinclair was gay when they offered to host his service, said his sister, Kathleen Wright. But after his obituary listed his life partner as one of his survivors, she said, it was called off.
"It's a slap in the face. It's like, 'Oh, we're sorry he died, but he's gay so we can't help you,'" she said Friday.
Wright said High Point offered to hold the service for Sinclair because their brother is a janitor there. Sinclair, who served in the first Gulf War, died Monday at age 46 from an infection after surgery to prepare him for a heart transplant.
The church's pastor, the Rev. Gary Simons, said no one knew Sinclair, who was not a church member, was gay until the day before the Thursday service, when staff members putting together his video tribute saw pictures of men "engaging in clear affection, kissing and embracing."
Simons said the church believes homosexuality is a sin, and it would have appeared to endorse that lifestyle if the service had been held there.
"We did decline to host the service _ not based on hatred, not based on discrimination, but based on principle," Simons told The Associated Press. "Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it _ yes, we would have declined then. It's not that we didn't love the family."
Simons said the decision had nothing to do with the obituary. He said the church offered to pay for another site for the service, made the video and provided food for more than 100 relatives and friends.
"Even though we could not condone that lifestyle, we went above and beyond for the family through many acts of love and kindness," Simons said.
Wright called the church's claim about the pictures "a bold-faced lie." She said she provided numerous family pictures of Sinclair, including some with his partner, but said none showed men kissing or hugging.
The 5,000-member High Point Church was founded in 2000 by Simons and his wife, April, whose brother is Joel Osteen, well-known pastor of the 38,000-member Lakewood Church in Houston. Now High Point meets in a 432,000-square-foot facility in Arlington, near Dallas.
Wright said relatives declined the church's offer to hold the service at a community center because they felt it was an inappropriate venue. It ultimately was held at a funeral home, but the cancellation still lingered in some minds, she said.
___
On the Net:
High Point Church: http://www.churchunusual.com

Posted On: Saturday, Aug. 11 2007 @ 12:24AM
Joe Louthan says:

Just add this to the short list of sermons that need to be preached. Filed somewhere between pornography and hell.

After you have gotten your core group, then you have to test your congregation. You gotta start throwing fast balls right by their head My childhood church did that when the new pastor (sometime in the 70s) where he stepped in and said, "If it isn't verified by the Word of God, I am not going to preach on it." Imagine that went over like a fart in church with an old school Pentecostal/AoG, deeply rooted in whatever they wanted to believe.

Well it didn't go over well. Next week, 7 people showed up in an auditorium seated for 2000.

The pastors that I most admire are the very ones not afraid to lose their congregation just because God placed a word on their heart to speak. I had one pastor who placed 10 church fliers out in the lobby and told his congregation, "If you are not being feed here, I have 10 churches that I highly recommend that you go and visit." It was important to him that they were getting feed than for them to go through the motions of going to church. He lost 500 members but in the weeks to follow, he gained that many more members and so much more.

Posted On: Saturday, Aug. 11 2007 @ 9:57AM
Rawlins Gilliland says:

All this tripe about how us 'judging' those who are 'afflicted' with obesity, and like Rachel who sites studies that explain why people are fat..... ignores a very real point; if you have lived one half a century as have I, you have watched the population double, and almost double in size weight-wise.

C'mon. If people were not this fat in the 60s and 70s and 80s, what are you trying to tell me...that a new toxic gas swept this nation and infected many of its fair citizens? Of course not. What happened was; people spent more energy circling the block to get a ‘good’ parking space than simply parking ‘out there’ and walking. They got lazy and ate Ruffle potato chips with Rotel-Velveeta while watching ‘the stories’ (ring a bell?), kept drinking Coco-Cola regulars instead of ‘diet’ because you want the ‘real’ thing (even after your Dr. warned you that you were borderline diabetic,,,admit it).

In other worlds, this epidemic is relatively new, and is very real, and it is tied to people not learning about healthy choice eating (cheese fries are not among that) and fast foods, and Lil' Debby and anything else sweet and sugary. And in between, fatty-as-hell meats of choice like country ribs and mac and cheese…still made with ‘whole’ milk and heavy cream and ‘real’ butter. Running through bottles of Squeeze Parkay faster than paper towels? None of which was once ‘normal’.

So clam it if you are twice the size you were when you left high school. It’s very American to be placing blame elsewhere, but as shocking as this is going to be (drum roll in background) The real cause of obesity is linked more often than not (enhanced drum roll volume) to food intake and exercise levels. Your grocery basket and/or home/restaurant eating habits are the true story.

Sorry to spill the beans. Now. Eat your heart out. (With some 5% juice 'drink'.)

Posted On: Saturday, Aug. 11 2007 @ 4:03PM
Jeff says:

Anyone who works with pastors knows that gluttony, and not any of the aforementioned studies re: other causes (which do exist) for obesity, is a problem. A big problem. Ask the folks who run church/denomination health insurance problems.

Which is the point of the piece. If Christian leaders can't rightly discern issues in their own life, they're not gonna preach on them. And as the general population has struggled with this issue, as Rawlins simply outlines, they're not getting good leadership from their faith community.

And Jack needs to get his own blog. Hey, post a link, and we promise to read, but let Julie write, OK? Al Mohler's blog could use more posters, too, and he needs some fraternal correction Jettwards.

http://www.almohler.org

Posted On: Saturday, Aug. 11 2007 @ 7:17PM
Sandra Glahn says:

Years ago when my husband and I used to go out to eat in Dallas, we'd notice how many beautiful people there were. Recently when we went out, we noticed how many obese people we saw.

I took a Dante class last year at UTD and was surprised to learn that in his world of hell and purgatory, gluttony ranked up there (or should I say "down there"?) with the SUPER serious sins. In a world in which food was in shorter supply than it is for us today, eating more than one's fair share indirectly took from another who needed it. I realized to my own horror that nothing had actually changed much on that score other than the degree of separation between the "overfed" and the "starving to death."

My family went on a cruise for vacation this year, and I learned from one of the employees on the boat that the average person on a Carnival Cruise gains a pound per day.

Posted On: Saturday, Aug. 11 2007 @ 9:26PM
Pastor Bill Thompson says:

Great Article! It comes right on the heels of my recent exam. I was told that I was border-line Diabetic!

This article is clearly for the people of the church who are clearly ignoring their health, while they spend time in the church and visit their favorite restraunts after church.

Well, I've lost 30 pounds, and I am determined not to lose my opportunity at living simply for a lack of discipline.

Food is Good! But, Living is better!

Posted On: Sunday, Aug. 12 2007 @ 12:58AM
jack jett says:

I will leave this blog when Julie answers the questions that not only myself but others pose to her.

As the editor of a major alternative paper, she can not throw crap against a wall and then refuse to answer question when that shit don't stick. Alot of Julie's shit don't stick.

Does she believe Jews are going to hell if they do not believe as the COGIC?

Does she believe the Catholics are going to hell if they do not believe as the COGIC?

She feels that gays are going to hell because they do not believe as the COGIC, which, as I understand it, she is no longer gay.

What makes her gal pal the Prophetess the Prophetess?

If sex is only for procreation, are all those people hooking up for sex on the Dallas Observer and UnFair Park sex connections planning families?

Does the COGIC promote casual sex?

Why, as a general rule, if obesity is a sin, do so many christian women have such fat asses?

The Bible says women should not preach, yet Julie praise the Prophetess.

It is just like...and I mean just like those graduates of Pat Robertson's Regent University who ended up ruining our justice system and then refused to answer questions..or forgot.

Jeff, many others have been run away over the years with this blog and the agenda attached to it. People just give up.

I would think that if you are proud of your belief system, you would want to promote it, defend it, and spread the word of it...with out cost...or advertisments for hookers.

jack jett
www.jackejett.com

Posted On: Sunday, Aug. 12 2007 @ 12:36PM
Rawlins says:

An aside postscript about com boxes and blog comments in general.

In this day when having one's own blog and access to the internet and an elctronic voice, why are there so many people who spend endless hours addicted to posting comments on other persons' threads rather than posting their own thoughts and responding to the comments made by others?

It is the same reasoning behind a question like I asked a neighbor earlier today...Why roll the basketball hoop into the street when you have a front yard and a huge back yard and there's a park 1/2 block away? He looked at me like I was asking him if he liked mayonaise on his donuts.

Posted On: Sunday, Aug. 12 2007 @ 4:20PM
Jeff says:

Jack --

Seriously, i don't want you to leave; that wasn't my point. You just seem to find Julie's inconsistency more remarkable than most of us, who are acutely aware of our own inconsistencies. Lighten up, and articulate your affirmations, but the tone/volume of your posts about how an other person's blog embeds something less than absolute internal coherence just makes you sound incoherent. I'll bet you have something to say, something to stand for, other than pointing out that a COGIC adherent editing a hip metro alt-paper with lewd personals is a spectacular juggling act.

But ya see, that's why so many of us are reading here: we wanna see how she keeps it up. Please, please, keep posting what you believe, but i did want to point out that if your thing is hammerin' on hypocrites, there's lots of fish in that ocean.

Meanwhile, as a sometimes pastor and frequent workshop leader, i'm still struggling with how to affirm hospitality and local tradition, while not (inconsistently!) helping to lead people to a faster death by hypertension or infarction. Three cheese twice baked potatos, deviled eggs (oh, we Christians love our deviled eggs; what's up with that?), cans of cream o' mushroom soup in *everything* -- we gotta stop this, but how does a pastor do so winsomely?

Pax, Jeff

Posted On: Sunday, Aug. 12 2007 @ 9:23PM
jack jett says:

Rawlins....because we can and it is necessary when someone is placing inaccurate information out there without any proof.

Julie Lyons puts mayonise on her donuts, and thinks people are going to hell if they don't, and refuses to answer why???????

I can also answer the question you posed of your neighbor. The street has a hard surface, and most likely they just wanted to play some hoops close to home.

Now...answer some of my questions.

jack jett

Posted On: Sunday, Aug. 12 2007 @ 10:29PM
Jesus Guy says:

Jack Jett,

Excuse me? You don't seem to have noticed that THIS COLUMN WASN'T WRITTEN BY JULIE LYONS. (Seems to indicate you didn't even read it.)

You're a Troll standing on a street corner ranting to yourself, . . . get some help.

Posted On: Monday, Aug. 13 2007 @ 9:32AM
jack jett says:

dear jesus

your name calling isn't going to run me away.

Troll? maybe

Someone who wants someone to answer questions.

jack jett

Posted On: Monday, Aug. 13 2007 @ 11:44AM
Sarah says:

Another point of consideration: places like DTS (and related feeder Bible schools) don't teach on issues like this (at least, where I've been). They're too busy talking sex and booze and card playing. Further, bad choices are encouraged by bad offerings (fried foods, lots of pie) on the campuses training up these men/women who become the ones scheduling the potlocks and establishing themselves as role models in local congregations. Maybe we'd have healthier churches in general if seminaries were to include more lessons on money and nutrition and fewer on dress codes and hand holding.

Posted On: Monday, Aug. 13 2007 @ 12:48PM
Jimmy Zim Zam says:

Jared;

I think you left out a very salient point in your piece.

The FACT is that obesity is very much an American problem. The United States is behind 41 other countries in life expectancy.

Your article articulates that this is a religious verses non-religious problem which I am not disputing but I believe that this issue is much more American than anything.

A very sad fact for one of the wealthiest industrialized nations in the world. It makes me angry at times that this country spends little to nothing on preventive care while at the same time boasts that the health care in this country is the best. Yes., it may rank at the top but only for the few that can afford it.

Just a thought......

Posted On: Monday, Aug. 13 2007 @ 12:55PM
d says:

Wow...came here linked from another blog because this is an issue near to my heart (as a child of obese parents) and the discussion here seems more like some ranting with a few people actually trying to discuss the post mixed in. I'll join those people.

Someone mentioned judging, as in we as Christians should not pass judgement on the behavior of others. Rather, we as Christians should not judge other people (as in, we should not look at someone and say they are going to hell--only God knows their hearts and the state of their souls). Instead, we are called (in all love and charity) to point out/correct spritually and physically dangerous behaviors, all the while remembering to take the log out of our own eye.

Truly, we are so concerned with drugs and alcohol that we ignore how food is used as a drug (this hit home walking through the candy aisle/waiting in the candy-filled checkout line at Walmart and watching people gobble candy like it was crack).

Also interesting is the mention of how sinful overeating was considered when food was less abundant. This ties in with the constant harping on the population explosion--the fears that if we don't (forcibly, if necessary) stop people from having children we will all starve to death. We've passed the threshold at which we as a race should have starved to death due to increased population long ago (it seems like people decide on these figures and apocalyptic pronouncements every few decades) and we now have more food being produced at the same time as some people are starving to death and others are gorging themselves to death. Is it not still gravely sinful then to stuff ourselves and spend money on icecream novelties and useless calories when others don't have the money to buy themselves some beans? We should be lobbying for proper food distribution and harnessing the power of big agriculture for good, not for our own selfish interests (ie, we are too busy, lazy, uneducated to make our own food). This also demonstrates a lack of proper respect for God's creation--we are not being the stewards of the earth that He entrusted to our care.

Yes, I clearly have a love-hate relationship with food in which my newer health- and environmentally-conscious self has to suppress the urges that bubble up from childhood habits. Thank the Lord though for reminding me of the power of fasting in controlling my appetites.

One more thing...as someone else mentioned, this ties in to our belief that the body as a temple of the Holy Spirit. We shouldn't pump narcotics, alcohol, or too much/too fatty food into it because a temple should be pure. How then does this match up with the belief of many Christians that it is okay for women to pump their healthy bodies full of hormones--steroids, really--nearly every single day in the form of hormonal contraception? No drugs for boys (steroids), but drugs are okay for girls? I don't want to get into this too much, but I did want to throw that out there.

Posted On: Monday, Aug. 13 2007 @ 2:02PM
DATJ says:

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL JACK JETT AGAIN THAT JULIE DID NOT WRITE THIS ARTICLE? GO BLOG ON A JUILE POST...PLEASE!!

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 15 2007 @ 5:10PM
Jack Jett says:

Dat..Dat...Dat...

This is Julie Lyon's blog that she uses to promote an agenda that has no basis.

I am here to pull the curtains back and show everyone the wiz.....

No one gives a flying rat fuck what Jared thinks Jesus would eat. Christians are fat.
Non Chirstians are fat.

You wanna talk fishes and loaves? You wanna exchanges recipes on what Jesus might eat?

or.....Do you want to get down to the brass tactics of the COGIC? Julie Lyons is "brave" to come out against gays going to hell, but she will not cop to the fact that her religion believes that all Jews and Catholics are going to hell.

Why? Because that might offend the hand that feeds her.

So yell and scream all you want Dat....
perhaps you might use those caps to answer questions in place of your gal pal.

jack jett

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 16 2007 @ 3:44PM
COGICWatcher says:

Jack Jett asks:

"Do you believe that people of the Jewish faith are going to hell? Do you think that Catholics are going to hell? Your religion COGIC does. Do you stand by those beliefs?"

Jack your constant railing against "Bible Girl' on this issue is quite tiresome. This questioned has been asked and answered on this board several times by different people.

Is seems that you have a personal agenda against Julie because she has come out against homosexuality as a normal expression of human sexuality.

Those of us who read this blog understand from your many coments, that you differ with her on this issue.

Enough said, why do you keep bringing it back up? Is there any NEW light you want to shed on this or is it just about bashing Julie?

I for one would be interested in where you get the impression that COGIC or any Christian has the final say on who will or will not go to hell?

For those of us who read and believe the Bible we accept what it teaches about hell and who will go there. If you want to dialog about that I would be happy to oblige!

The will be people from all walks of life who will end up away from God in eternity.

Some of them believe it or not will come from COGIC, AOG, AME, Baptist, Pentecostal, Catholic, and many other religious backgrounds. Your religious affilation is no guarantee of heaven or hell!

Posted On: Monday, Aug. 20 2007 @ 9:40AM
jack jett says:

My constant "railing" against Julie Lyons is due to the fact that she never answers the important questions I ask. In fact, she never answers any questions I ask.

I have reviewed on several occassions to try and find the answers to the questions above and have not.

Since you say they have been answered by Julie numerous times, can you link me to the article/blog/comment so I can see.

Yes, I would love to dialogure with you on this subject and I would think/hope that as part of your belief is to spread the word and make certain people understand it, that you would look upon me as another human instead of the nuisance that you portray me to be.

So, I will ask you and hope you will answer.

You go by COGIC watcher but I assume you are a member.

Does those who practice and believe in the teachings of the COGIC feel that Catholics and those of the Jewish faith are going to hell for not believing as the COGIC does?

That seems like it should be a yes or no answer. Just like when I asked about the church's belief in gay people going to hell.
That was, a without a shadow of a doubt yes.

As I have studied religions over the years, as well as agnositics and atheist, I have never encountered such a hard time getting answers from someone that has a blod totally devoted to it.

Of course, I realize that being affiliated with any religion is not an automatic invite to heaven, you have to live by the rules set forth by that particular religion.

As far as Julie coming to the conclusion that she was no longer a lesbian, is not for me to judge. I know for a fact, and actual fact that coversions never work, never take, never have and never will, no more than I can change the shape of my head, or my eye color. So Julie can call herself what ever she wants. However, she as journalist should not be allowed to throw inaccurate shit against a wall and call it fact when there are multiple studies that show otherwise.

Dig It

jack jett

Posted On: Monday, Aug. 20 2007 @ 12:04PM
COGICWatcher says:

Jack Jett,

Thanks for the reply.

You said:

"You go by COGIC watcher but I assume you are a member."

First for the record, I am not a member of COGIC nor have I ever been a member of this particular body.

As a Pastor of a "Pentecostal" church I know personally many members/leaders in this body. I have also studied their teachings and practices. Hence the moniker "COGICWatcher".

You said:

"Since you say they have been answered by Julie numerous times, can you link me to the article/blog/comment so I can see."

Actually I said that this question was answered by 'different people'. If I get time, I will try to find some of those posts. Better yet, perhaps Julie will respond as to whether SHE did answer these questions or not.

Be that as it may, let me answer what you have asked.

You said:

"Does those who practice and believe in the teachings of the COGIC feel that Catholics and those of the Jewish faith are going to hell for not believing as the COGIC does? That seems like it should be a yes or no answer."

The answer to this question is no. COGIC does not believe that Catholics and those of the Jewish faith are going to hell for not believing as the COGIC does.

It does believe (like most Christians) that anyone who does not make Christ their Lord and Savior will find himself eternally separated from God (Hell).

There is nothing that I have seen or read by
COGIC that should give anyone the idea that Jews and Catholics are by the sheer nature of their church affiliation dammed to hell. For example, there are Catholics and Jews (Messianic Jews) who accept Jesus as their Savior. These certainly would not be condemmed to hell.

Furthermore, I know of no credible COGIC minister/elder who thinks that because Jews and Catholics don't believe what COGIC does that they are going to hell.

If you have evidence to the contrary that COGIC does in fact teach what you are saying, I would like to take a look at it.

You said:

"Just like when I asked about the church's belief in gay people going to hell.
That was, a without a shadow of a doubt yes."

Not sure what the context of the original question was but consider this.

For Christians, homosexuality is a sin. All sin not remitted by God will result in damnation.

God is willing and able to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. The sin of homosexuality can be forgiven like any other sin.

Of course the problem here is that many people today do not regard this as a sin, and as a result think they have no need to repent and be forgiven.

Looking forward to your response....

Posted On: Tuesday, Aug. 21 2007 @ 12:33PM
Jack Jett says:

Thank you Pastor. Thank you very much. My company is currently involved in creating a website/blog whose purpose is to try and find common ground between the left and the right, the Christian and the atheist, the gay and the straight. The mission is to find out how we can not be as divisive and create understanding.

So now my questions are this.

Can a Catholic be true to his/her faith AND make Christ their Lord and Saviour, same question for those of the Jewish faith who are none Messenic?

I have come to realize that the Evangelical community will never accept the GLBT community, however I do think more and more religions are opening their doors.

Christianne Amanpour has a great series this week on CNN entitled "Gods & Warriors".

Thanks again for answering my question.
It really is the first time I have seen someone attempt to answer it.

Jack Jett

Posted On: Tuesday, Aug. 21 2007 @ 9:55PM
Renea says:

Jack, I think you're looking for a pastor like this:

Bishop Dr. Yvette A. Flunder,
Senior Pastor, City of Refuge United Church of Christ

Biography

REV. DR. YVETTE FLUNDER Senior Pastor, City of Refuge United Church of Christ Presiding Bishop, Refuge Ministries/Fellowship 2000 Rev. Flunder founded the City of Refuge Community Church UCC in 1991 in order to unite a gospel ministry with a social ministry. City of Refuge is a thriving inner-city congregation that celebrates the radically inclusive love of Jesus Christ. Preaching a message of action, the church has experienced steady numerical and spiritual growth and is now located in the south of Market area of San Francisco at 1025 Howard Street.

A native San Franciscan, Rev. Flunder is a third generation preacher with roots in the Church of God in Christ. She was licensed in the COGIC and later ordained by the Bishop Walter Hawkins of Love Center Ministries where she served as Associate Pastor and administrator for the Oakland-based Love Center Church. In 1984 Rev. Flunder began performing and recording with "Walter Hawkins and the Family" and the Love Center Choir. Rev. Flunder is also an ordained Minister of the United Church of Christ and a graduate of the Ministry Studies and Master of Arts programs at the Pacific School of Religion, Berkeley, California. She received a Doctor of Ministry degree from San Francisco Theological Seminary in San Anselmo California.

In June 2003 Rev. Flunder was consecrated Presiding Bishop of Refuge Ministries/Fellowship 2000 a multi-denominational fellowship of 50+ primarily African American Christian leaders and laity representing churches and faith-based organizations from all parts of the country and Africa.

Responding to the needs of the AIDS epidemic, Rev. Flunder and her staff opened Hazard-Ashley House and Walker House in Oakland and Restoration House in San Francisco through the Ark of Refuge, Inc., a non-profit agency which provides housing, direct services, education and training for persons affected by HIV/AIDS in the Bay Area, throughout the USA and in three countries in Africa. Restoration House is a dual-diagnosis residential facility for African-American women and the first of its kind in San Francisco. Walker House is licensed by the State of California as a Critical Care Facility. The Ark provides HIV/AIDS education and prevention services targeting the African American and African faith community. The Ark recently opened, in collaboration with AIDS Healthcare Foundation, the Magic Johnson Clinic to provide primary medical care services. The Ark also provides substance abuse intervention programs, transitional housing for homeless youth, mentorship programs and a computer lab and audio/video training for community youth.

Rev. Flunder serves as Executive Director of the Ark of Refuge, Inc., and a consultant to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Congressional Black Caucus Health Brain Trust and the Department of Health and Human Services. She also serves as chair of the Social Justice Commission for the World Bishop's Council and as a member of the Board of Directors of the Justice and Witness Ministry of the United Church of Christ.

Rev. Flunder has served as past President of the Board of Directors for the Northern California Nevada Conference of the United Church of Christ, as a Board Member of the Shanti Project, as Chair of the San Francisco Inter-religious Coalition on AIDS, Chair of the Black Adoption Placement and Research Center, Founding member of the African American Interfaith Alliance on AIDS, Member of the Alameda County Ryan White Consortium, a member of the San Francisco HIV/AIDS Planning and Prevention Council, and as a Member of the California Ryan White Working Group.

Rev. Flunder is much sought after as a preacher, educator, conference speaker and singer. She has been invited to minister and serve throughout the nation and many points abroad. Published work can be found at http://www.sfrefuge.org/books.shtml

Rev. Flunder has received many awards for her work in the HIV/AIDS epidemic, with the elderly and youth.

If you are interested is scheduling an appointment or engagement with Bishop Flunder,
please contact: Elder Noni Gordon at (415) 861-6130, ext. 1301 or (916) 419-9627 Email: doitnownon@aol.com

www.sfrefuge.org
www.arkofrefuge.org

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 22 2007 @ 12:50PM
Renea says:

Jack, in case you didn't catch it from her bio, below is one of the ministries at Rev. Flunder's church. I doubt she's well received in some circles, but she is likely well-known in the COGIC in CA since she began there. More info from her church web site:

Transgender Services
Treatment Advocacy
AIDS Education & Prevention
Peer Advocacy
Individual Counseling and Referrals
Psychosocial Support Groups
Substance Abuse Counseling


TRANSCENDING(Transgender Program) facilitates a support group which meets weekly on Friday from 6:00 pm to 9:00 pm at 1025 Howard Street. New for 2003 is the Transgender Recovery Group on Tuesdays from 4:00 pm to 6:00 pm – if you want a comfortable place to discuss issues around your recovery – please come and join us. If you have questions or need assistance, program staff are available Monday - Friday. You can reach Sherry Thomas, Program Coordinator at (415) 861-1060 or Celia Gomez, Peer Advocate at (415) 861-1768. You can also contact us via email: transcending@prodigy.net.

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 22 2007 @ 12:58PM
jack jett says:

Renea

I can't thank you enough for this information.

I really appreciate it.

jack jett

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 22 2007 @ 2:16PM
COGICWatcher says:

Jack Jett said:

"Can a Catholic be true to his/her faith AND make Christ their Lord and Saviour, same question for those of the Jewish faith who are none Messenic?"


Yes a Roman Catholic can be true to his/her faith and make Christ their Lord and Saviour.

While the Roman Catholic church certainly has beliefs that differ from Protestant churches, what makes one a Christian is not based on these things, it is based on that particular church's view of Christ. As far as I am able to determine Roman Catholics hold to the essentials of the Christian faith when it comes to the Person and Work of Christ.

On the other hand Non-Messianic Jews are not Christians by definition. Non-Messianic Jews do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and Saviour that was promised them by God. As a result they are still looking for the Messiah, even though for us Christians Jesus Christ is the Messiah for both Jew and Gentile. When a person of the Jewish faith accepts Christ as Lord and Savior they refer to themselves as Messianic Jews. They don't cease to be Jewish, by this confession of faith in Christ.

Remember that most if not all of the first Christians were Jews.

Thanks for the questions...


Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 22 2007 @ 4:05PM
Jeff S. says:

Great article, Julie.

It would sure be interesting to see what would happen if a preacher did a series of sermons on this topic. I have never heard one myself. Ed Young, Jr. has preached on the subject, and he gets ripped for being pompous and egotistical.

One of the best preachers in America, Tim Keller from Redeemer Pres in NYC, did a series on the 7 Deadly Sins. He said people even showed up for Sloth, but the one subject people stayed away from was Greed. Nobody thinks they're greedy compared to others who have more. It's our natural tendency to compare our situation to people who have it better, and we spend little time purposely socializing with people who have it a lot worse. Thus, compared to the people we know, we're not greedy and we don't think we have a problem. We all know somebody else who is greedy, but we don't usually think of ourselves that way. While there are a few people who admit to being greedy, and consider it just a form of competitiveness, but just about nobody wants to be considered Envious. Envy is the one sin that is still unfashionable to just about everybody.

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 22 2007 @ 10:30PM
brenda says:

the enemy has taken his wrath everywhere!!!!bishop weeks beat the living daylights out of the prohotess bynum!!!now we all know God don't Bless no Mess, let us all pray that she gets out of this trust me the more she is elevated the more evil meeks will become i personally hadnever heard of him until they got married. we can do bad by ourselves. bishop jakes, serita step in pray, pray, pray lay hands on this young lady.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 23 2007 @ 10:31PM
Renea says:

My question is "Who would Jesus knock upside the head?"

I didn't believe it when I read it on a blog somewhere, so I went to www.bishopweeks.com to see it for myself. Can you believe that this wife-beater is soliciting, not just your prayers, but your MONEY at this "very difficult time" in his life? He beats up Juanita Bynum, and now he wants YOU to pay for his legal defense.

Unfortunately some crazy folk will probably send him some money. Lord, help today!

Posted On: Saturday, Aug. 25 2007 @ 1:55AM
Renea says:

By the way, Bishop Weeks changed the ad on his site to say that you can support the Raven Fund during this difficult time. I hate to so hard on a brother, but I really have no sympathy for a man who beats women.

www.ndvh.org. National Domestic Violence Hotline. They also have programs to deal with men who have anger and violence issues: www.tcfv.org, Texas Council on Family Violence.

Posted On: Monday, Aug. 27 2007 @ 5:43PM
Jimmy Zim Zam says:

To be honest, I don't like Juanita Bynum at all. I care even less for Thomas Weeks.

Having said that, I am so very sorry she suffered this tragedy.

But, I also believe that everyone(even Weeks) deserves a second, third, fourth etc.. chance in life in an effort to be restored.

By the way, where is the Bible Girl Column? We have not heard anything since August 10, 2007. I hope everything is well.

Posted On: Tuesday, Aug. 28 2007 @ 1:27PM
Rev. Jack Spencer says:

To get back to the issue at hand, yes gluttony and obesity are big issues in our Church. One hour after they leave services, I have seen my parishoneers in buffet lines, eating like hogs at the trough.
Ugly words for a Pastor? Maybe, but I have presided at too many funerals caused by overeating.
To Jack Jett: Please do not use this as a forum to rail against someone you have issues with. Use your own blog, as a courtesy to the rest of us. Thank You.

Posted On: Thursday, Oct. 25 2007 @ 4:24PM
TC says:

I love my stomach
it is big, round, smooth and full
sometimes, people think I am pregnant,
but no
I am just fat
I also love my Dr Pepper, my chocolate,
and my gay dog.

I love my kids, even though they cuss,
and I love Jesus, because he likes me for me.

There is not too much I don't love
I love food, drinks, sun, rain

I even love losing a job when I need a better one anyway.

I don't believe in hell, but I believe in
hypocrits. Because, I have met a few.
I LOVE THEM TOO - they are funny - NO?

Posted On: Wednesday, Jun. 11 2008 @ 3:08PM
margaret houghton says:

You cannot judge as God as you do not judge with love. You are without love and understanding for if you were with you wouldn't judge at all. Know this you will be judge as you judge. Christ said to St Paul as Paul was on his way to Damascus," Why do you persecute me Paul?".

Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 15 2008 @ 4:40AM

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