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Prophet or Heretic? Either Way, He Takes All Major Credit Cards.

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 01:47:39 PM
Bible Girl questioned Bishop Jordan about his prophecies during a recent visit to town. She did not ask about the fake dreads, however.

"You must prophesy for me." E. Bernard Jordan heard the words in a dream, and he knew it was God speaking. But he was only 15, he says, and "didn't even know how to spell 'prophesy.'" There was another hitch. He was raised in a denomination, the Disciples of Christ, that didn't believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit were valid for our time. It equated prophecy with the sedate, modern practice of preaching.

Jordan respected his church elders -- a Disciples of Christ preacher led him to give his life to Jesus Christ, on March 21, 1975 -- but somehow he knew that the voice in the dream meant just what it said, prophesy, and that if it meant preaching, the voice would have said preaching.

So Jordan began trolling Christian bookstores in Brooklyn, looking for anything he could find on the subject of prophecy. There wasn't much. Just a handful of books, by authors such as Kenneth Hagin and Dallas' Gordon Lindsay.

Jordan absorbed whatever information he could and rode that dream in search of his gift. Into the Pentecostal church, which believed God still spoke through prophecy -- words of edification, exhortation and comfort for the saints. As a young man, Jordan cut his teeth speaking such words to a congregation of 3,000 at the late Apostle Johnny Washington's Tabernacle of Prayer for All People in Jamaica, Queens. This was a traditional sanctified church, where the refrain was "holiness or hell." Women wore their long hair in buns, and they couldn't speak or pray before the church unless they wore a head covering.


They defined old-school, but their faith transcended tradition. Those saints put no limits on God. Young Bernard Jordan saw blind eyes opened, just like in the apostles' days. They lived in the realm of the miraculous, because Jesus was all this poor black congregation ever had.


Now Jordan had a restless mind, an exceptional intellect that would propel him beyond the bounds of simplistic holiness preaching. He saw miracles in the church, but he also saw bondage. Looking at the black Christian community as a whole, he saw heavy shackles, a poverty of the psyche that kept good church folk in dire circumstances, expecting little from Jesus besides managing to make rent. Jordan couldn't be satisfied with that. He knew there had to be more to following Jesus.


At the "mature age of 23," he pushed out on his own, starting a church in a hotel just across the street from the Waldorf Astoria in New York City with his wife, Pastor Debra. (He even calls her that in private out of respect and reverence, he says.) Jordan named it Zoe Ministries, from the Greek word for life, and here he began to experience the breadth and depth of his prophetic gift. "We didn't know how we were gonna pay the rent," Jordan recalls, "but we were using the same kind of crazy faith that all of the saints used."


Those were heady times for this young pastor. Diplomats and United Nations delegates visited his fledgling congregation -- the deputy ambassador of Trinidad, members of the Pan Africanist Congress (PAC). One day the prince of Swaziland slipped into a Zoe service. "I didn't know he was a prince," Jordan says, "and began to prophesy to him about some things that were going to take place in his nation."


Some time afterward, Jordan and his wife accepted an invitation to prophesy to the royal family in Swaziland, a small nation between Mozambique and South Africa. He told them that a coup would be attempted in November 1988 -- the prophecy was that specific -- and it happened just as he said, through the machinations of the prime minister at the time. "It was the first time they ever had high treason in government," Jordan says, "and it was forewarned due to the prophetic word of the Lord." (I tried to confirm that an attempted coup took place in Swaziland in 1988, but could find no evidence of it in the usual places or elsewhere. Nonetheless, Jordan's account is broadly feasible: Swaziland has a ruling family whose influence and wealth are resented by a significant chunk of the populace. And on its Web site, the U.S. State Department says that in 1988 and 1989, "an underground political party, the People's United Democratic Movement (PUDEMO) criticized the King and his government, calling for democratic reforms.")


Jordan's influence among the mighty didn't end there. He was invited to pray at the general assembly of the United Nations, and he prophesied instead. It was February 1988, when the Sharpeville Six -- black South Africans who'd been framed for the murder of an official -- were soon to be hanged. Jordan boldly proclaimed to the assembly that they would not die. Then, 15 hours before the time of execution, President Ronald Reagan and Britain's Margaret Thatcher asked for clemency -- and, most unusual for the South African apartheid regime, it was granted. "All six of those people walk free today," Jordan says.


Through these experiences, Jordan says, he edged closer to the biblical role of the prophet. "We've always felt like the prophets of the Scriptures spoke to government leaders and nations," Jordan says. "It's more than just telling a person they're gonna get a new car. I mean, we do that, but we're supposed to look at the larger picture."


In 1990, Jordan wrote four volumes of prophetic oracles that he called Written Judgments. In it, he says, he foretold Hurricane Katrina. "We prophesied that in the year 2006" -- the exact year is recorded in the book, he says, though I couldn't get my hands on a copy for confirmation before posting -- "there would be a wind that would come up through the Gulf Coast, and it would cause devastation." (Well, he's off a year...but the book apparently has the correct year, 2005, according to a friend who owns a copy.)


Jordan claims he also correctly prophesied the terror attacks of September 11, 2001, and the 2004 tsunami that killed 186,983. Today, he calls himself "Master Prophet" Bernard Jordan, operates a "School of the Prophets" in New York City and counts among his acolytes members of the hip-hop community, including the Reverend Run, one of the founders of Run-DMC and host of an MTV reality show entering its third season. Jordan has just released a book, The Laws of Thinking, that's being marketed to a mass audience, and he's in the process of traversing the country on a book tour. You can catch his late-night infomercials on BET.


Now the matter of prophecy is an explosive subject, even in Pentecostal-charismatic circles that sanction some form of the gift for modern times. But Jordan is probably right up there with Garland native Paul Cain -- whose prominent church patrons cut him off when they discovered he was alcoholic and gay -- on the scale of controversy. That is, right at the top. I was told by a knowledgeable national source that "no one" in the mainstream Pentecostal-charismatic community will have anything to do with Jordan. I also heard the word "heretic" bandied about.


What did Jordan do to burn so many bridges? It depends on who you ask. A visit to his Web site makes one thing abundantly clear: This is no ordinary "prophet." In fact, you can click on a button and purchase a year's worth of prophecies from Jordan and his custom-trained "Company of the Prophets" for $365, all major credit cards accepted. That's only a dollar a day, Jordan pointed out in a seminar he gave last week at the Hyatt Regency in Dallas. And $1,199 will get you admission to the "University of U & I," where you'll receive weekly instruction by Jordan via CD on things "the local church is afraid to teach." Other products are available too, like "Prophetic Awareness Soap" and "Prosperity Soap," only $7 each.


Is Bernard Jordan selling prophecies? Darn right he is, and you won't get any apologies from this calm, well-spoken man.


Jordan knows he's a pariah, and he's chosen to unleash his gift on the hip-hoppers and the unchurched instead. "My problem," he said, "is that the charismatic church has virtually chosen to ignore our prophetic work."


He says he knows exactly why.


"I believe that it is because of race. They hate to see a Negro get a dollar."


Oracles of the Prophet


"Have you seen Bernard Jordan's Web site?" a friend in ministry asked me. This man used to have an extraordinary prophetic gift, she said -- he'd prophesy to people he'd never known and come up with specific names, dates, facts -- but he'd gone bad. I checked out his Web site, and at the time it opened with an image of Jordan coming straight at you in a hooded black robe, like a spookier version of a monk's cassock.


Now I'm no stranger to the gift of prophecy. It is practiced in the Pentecostal circles I travel. The Apostle Paul wrote quite a bit about it, and clearly it was controversial even in his time. He tells his hearers to seek prophecy above all the other gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues, but at the same time counsels them to "despise not" prophecy. So evidently there was something despise-worthy about it.


And I can see that from my own experience. A good chunk of the prophecy in charismatic circles revolves around new cars and new houses. Yeah, they're words of "edification, exhortation and comfort," as Paul described prophecy post-Jesus Christ, but Paul seems to have a more expansive definition of those terms. His definition appears to encompass words of reproof and correction, which you seldom hear these days. Prophecy, in fact, is widely "despised" because so much of it seems me-focused instead of God-focused. Wide swaths of the church, of course, believe it's invalid altogether, that it passed away with the original apostles.


I did come to Jordan's seminar last week at the Hyatt Regency with a skeptical mind. I needed an answer: Is Bishop E. Bernard Jordan a prophet or a heretic?


The 125 or so people present at the Hyatt, the majority of whom I would identify as middle-aged black church ladies, had paid $35 to attend this seminar in the hopes, I'm fairly sure, of getting a personal prophecy. There was a well-dressed woman in a gigantic black hat with feathers that bobbed and fluttered as she walked in high heels. Jordan spoke to her several times, and it was clear she was a regular Zoe customer. There were preachers in synthetic-fiber zoot suits and a woman in a brown wig of preposterous height. The audience was sprinkled with younger women in hipper dress and a handful of whites and Latinos.


Jordan sat at the front on a stool in a Pentecostal bishop's garb -- a black suit and clerical robe and vest, with a gold-chained cross stowed in his front pocket. His fake dreads hung halfway down his back. He had a laptop queued up to the Scriptures and a copy of his new book, and most of the lecture consisted of him reading and expounding on passages from The Laws of Thinking. Jordan seemed almost bored, like he'd done this a zillion times.


Fairly often, doctrinal warning bells would start bonging in my brain. You are divine, Jordan told us. Too often people look for God in the heavenlies, he said, when actually he's right inside us. He spoke as though every person has the Holy Spirit. Evangelical Christians, however, believe that the Holy Spirit indwells a believer at the moment he surrenders his life to Jesus Christ and becomes "born again."


What church folks lack, he said, is an understanding of God as "I Am." (When Moses asked God to identify himself, God said, "Tell them that I Am sent you.") When we internalize the concept of God as I Am, he is whatever we want him to be. "I Am" could be the house or car that I desire. Prosperity or a husband. When I truly believe "I Am" that house or luxury car, it will materialize in my life.


It sounded like standard New Age mumbo-jumbo to me, with the focus not-so-subtly shifted from The Almighty God to The Almighty Me.


After about an hour of lecturing, punctuated by whispered cries of "Jesus" from the elderly women beside me, the seminar evolved into a hard sell for The Laws of Thinking. Jordan encouraged his audience to buy a dozen copies to distribute to friends -- no, make that disciples. If Jordan could get a million copies of his book into the hands of disciples, he said, "There's going to be a shift in consciousness" nationwide.


It took me a while to figure out what he was talking about. His book is intended to reverse generations of erroneous thinking in black America -- thought patterns that hold men and women in the shackles of poverty, self-hatred and hopelessness.


To the pastors in the audience, he offered this: "You'll never grow a successful ministry with poor people by your side -- I tried it," he said. "It didn't work. Poor people are not discipleship material. You preach the gospel to the poor and disciple the rich. You can't do anything with minds that are struggling."


We took a break so people could go in the back and buy boxes of a dozen books. More than 30 people responded, and only to these would Jordan prophesy.


One Latino woman got in line for her "word" from God.


"Where's your receipt?" Jordan asked quietly.


She mumbled some kind of explanation.


"Go back and get your receipt."


To those with proper proof of purchase Jordan offered words of comfort. A black couple walked up to him. "Are there three people in the house?" Jordan asked. The couple looked at each other and smiled knowingly. Sure enough, they lived in a household of three.


Most of the words he dispensed, however, were nonspecific and broadly upbeat -- not unlike the material you'd read in a horoscope column.


"I heard the word of the Lord saying, the thing you struggle with is going to become easy for you in the days to come," Jordan told one well-dressed pastor.


To another he said, "You have creativity in your hands -- when you work at this book, you're gonna dig into your talents...what's happening with marriage?"


This was not Swaziland, the tsunami or the Sharpeville Six. This was vague stuff, often preceded by questions. Jordan, in fact, admitted he dictates "1,000 prophecies" a day for distribution to paid customers via CD, and that his 16-year-old son Manesseh, who goes to boarding school, gets up each morning at 5:30 and rattles off prophecies for the first hour and a half of his day.


Jordan says he prophesies so much, it's easy for him.


But things got a little dicey when Jordan prophesied to an older white couple.


"Who's under a doctor's care?" he asked.


Both of them shook their heads. Neither one of them.


"Why am I seeing you on the road for long hours? Are y'all on the road a lot?"


They shook their heads again.


If these were prophecies, they were 25-watt prophecies. I left while Jordan was nearing the end of the line, and I took with me the impression of a once-gifted prophet for whom the light had slowly dimmed.


I didn't doubt that Jordan prophesied Katrina. I didn't doubt that he possessed a legitimate gift from God, or that he had a real Christian conversion experience at the age of 15. But something had gone awry since those heady days of early ministry, and I needed to find out why.


An Offended Brother


I admitted to the prophet that I struggled with his message. We sat in ornate chairs in the lobby of the Adolphus Hotel, with a piano tinkling somewhere in the distance. I had a problem with the "you are God" business. I had a problem with merchandising the gift of prophecy, when Jesus commanded his disciples, "freely you have received, freely give." I was disturbed that, according to the New York Press, he'd contemplated holding a "psychic summit" with the likes of -- are you ready for this? -- Dionne Warwick and Miss Cleo.


I questioned what seemed to be his universalist stance on salvation, a giant doctrinal leap from Jordan's roots in the holiness church.


I noted that Jesus Christ was seldom mentioned during the seminar. Was Jordan an evolved holiness preacher or a New Age shaman? Could he even accurately be termed "Christian" anymore?


"Do you see yourself as a holiness preacher?" I asked.


"No, I see myself more as a liberation preacher," he said. "For all people who are oppressed. To me, holiness is wholeness."


"Was that your purpose from the beginning?"


"It evolved to that," he said.


"Why? How?"


"Because I saw that the 11 o'clock hour was the most segregated hour in America on Sunday morning," he said. "And then our churches that are mixed, the pulpit does not reflect the congregation.


"When blacks are in leadership," he continued, "they look for us to preach in the pulpit and be entertaining. They look for us to be singing. But they never look to us for direction."


True enough, I thought. African-American church leadership and teaching are maligned in seminaries, dismissed as shallow -- "a mile wide and an inch deep." Mixed churches with white leadership always seem to take on a predominantly white flavor in worship and preaching. Black Pentecostals are held in suspicion by their white brethren, presumed not be doctrinally pure enough. I could go on.


Everything the prophet said about race was shamefully accurate.


I was starting to understand. Every time he talked about race, his entire countenance changed. His face hardened. His tempo of speech shifted.


Master Prophet Bernard Jordan is an offended brother. He is angry, because the white-led charismatic community has utterly rejected his gift.


"Do you feel like you've been demonized?" I asked.


"You're the one that told me I'm charging for prophecy."


"Well, you are, right?"


"The same way your preacher charges for services," he said. (In reality, my pastor started out by preaching on the street for nothing.) "But they write up that Bishop Jordan charges you a dollar a day and demonize what I do -- oh, my God! That's racism in America."


God had endowed him with this prodigious giftedness at an early age, and he'd proved its validity through a series of unbelievable prognostications. It should have taken him to the highest reaches of church and government, but instead people pick around for faults. They damn him for his Rolls-Royce -- a gift from the Reverend Run -- but won't say a word about the white televangelist's private jet.


If I have observed one thing that destroys ministry, it is the spirit of offense. Resentment, bitterness and unforgiveness will smother the light of the Holy Spirit each and every time. Bernard Jordan had correctly diagnosed the racial sickness of the American evangelical church, but he held his anger too close to his heart. Now the light of the Spirit had ebbed.


In the days following our meeting, I mulled the matter of heresy. No, I don't have a lick of formal theological training. I'm not one of those heresy hunters who can quote every chapter and verse. But I know that the "living creatures" who surround the throne in heaven cry out "Holy! Holy! Holy!", not "Whole! Whole! Whole!"


One word connotes a God who is immeasurably greater than us, who commands our reverence, our obedience, our very lives.


Wholeness -- prosperity, a good marriage, spiritual health -- that's about me.


So is Bishop E. Bernard Jordan a prophet or a heretic?


Chew on this: He's actually both. --Julie Lyons

Dallas Observer Editorial Assistant Kaitlin Ingram contributed to the reporting for this story.

57 Comments:

Justin says:

I hate prosperity preachers, this vulture seems to be more blatant than most though. Asking for a receipt before sharing his so called "gift" imparted by God. It will take a while but I hope eventually prosperity preaching will be as regarded as obtuse as the Catholic church selling indulgences in middle ages and Rennassaince. WWJD used to mean "What would Jesus do" but in the mind of prosperity preachers they probably think it means "What would Jesus drive".

Joe says:

Let's see, he predicted "a wind that would come up through the Gulf Coast, and it would cause devastation".

Out of the past hundred and fifty years of recorded weather history, in how many years was there NOT a hurricane or tropical storm that affected the Gulf Coast? Even last year, that year of surprisingly little activity, TS Alberto made landfall on the Florida Gulf coast.

It's not really a prophecy when everyone already knows that it's going to happen now, is it?

Libby says:

Another insightful interview Julie. This is why you are so blessed and we appreciate your bravery in bringing the message to us.

My sister would always get upset with me when I would order prayer clothes from Rev. Tilton. The money belongs to Jesus, so we can give back to him now, or later.

Jesus is at your side. Hold his hand.

Libby O

brint says:

Libby said: The money belongs to Jesus, so we can give back to him now, or later.
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Didn't think Jesus was much into money. Kinda figured him for the bohemian socialist type all these years. You know, the kind of guy who give to Caesar what is Caesar's, give to god what is god's?

I'm not a Christian, but I plan on living up to the first half of that verse at the Caesar's roulette table tomorrow night.

A very insightful interview Julie. Bishop E. Bernard Jordan may have a little trouble getting through the eye of a needle just now. Those with great gifts have great flaws; that's what I've heard anyway. I think you are right about him. With any luck Bishop Jordan will find the inspiration to grasp the power of his gift and use it in the way it was intended.

Libby says:

Brint:

To tithe, is to give the Lord what it his. I feel this would be the case to for any funds that Jesus might bless you with at a casino.

Libby O

Septoginatos says:

Another case of fleecing the flock, albeit from a black man who has some legitimate criticisms along old racial stereotypes.

As for the "prophesies", that is snake-oil, pure and simple. And whether it is him or Pat Robertson or Benny Hinn, it is a scam to obtain wealth and power. These types better hope that the Abrahamic God does not exist, since false prophets were not well regarded in the Old Testament.

brint says:

Libby, are you suggesting Jesus issues financial blessings (and punishments) through casinos?

If that's the case, Jesus owes me $200.

I guess I need to put on my Dr Phil coat just for Julie. You know the Dr Phil routine, "this is going to hurt you girl a lot more than it's going to hurt me."

Jordan is typical of a black predator preying upon black women. He's nothing more and little different from the pimp on the street or the artist on the screen.

The only difference is the medium he's using to give black women what black women want evidently.

Before I go into the black woman thing I'd like to point out that Jordan is no different from other gifted con men of other faiths and other times. He's an observer. Just like Julie can look at a page of print and the grammatical errors will instantly be highlighted with bold letters in italics he picks up on traits and associates them with information he uses to impress his audience.

His gift of prophecy is about as much about God as Julie's talent for editing is about laying train track in a tunnel. As proof I offer Julie's mentioning of his failing to identify with the white couple. If it was a God thing then it wouldn't be a race limited thing, right? But since it seems to fail him when it comes to a white couple I'd say my observation about observation is dead on. He's used to preying upon gullible blacks and gullible whites present a puzzle.

This is first and foremost a black woman thing. For some silly reason that I'm sure is perfectly understandable they insist upon a man having a divine aura about him to get their attention. If you think I'm silly look at the men who seem to reflect success in the black community. Pimp, preacher, professional, or athelete they have to be a showboat for the black women to embrace them. If you look at the successful black men who don't showboat you find a common denominator, a good woman that supports their man as he is.

The divine aura showboating black male reflects a mating dance. It's evidently what the black woman wants in her man or he wouldn't be doing it. Men of all races are only going to do what they have to do do get a woman. If they have them with a smile or if it takes a dowry, whatever it takes. That's what a man will do.

Read Julie on Jordan again. This time read it looking for what she's really saying about him and what she admires and what she doesn't. Look at her words, what they say, and what she really believes.

It's a treatise on female racism. Julie exemplifies what I see as the black woman's racism. She defines the black woman need for a black man to not only stand up but stand out if he wants her respect. If he's an angry black man then he gets her admiration.

How about it Julie? Wanna talk about it?

Libby says:

Brint

It states in the Bible that when on giveth to the Lord, the Lord will giveth back ten fold.

The Lord will bless you with the $200, if, in your heart you plan on giving 10 percent (tithe) back to him.

It is a minor down payment to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Libby O

jack jett says:

hey julie

check this out sweetheart. it looks like there is more sex going on at rev. ted's new life church that goes on at any gay bath house. no wonder this church grew so fast.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5361569,00.html

i understand they had poppers in every pew. sadly, i don't think rev ted was a user of the condom. that can present health issues at some point.

anyway, i am off to denver to get me some preacher butt.

jack jett
so close to jesus, he lets me borrow his sandals.

bill h says:

"To the pastors in the audience, he offered this: "You'll never grow a successful ministry with poor people by your side — I tried it," he said. "It didn't work. Poor people are not discipleship material. You preach the gospel to the poor and disciple the rich. You can't do anything with minds that are struggling."

that's all I need to hear. Yeshua said:
Mark 9:34-36 (New International Version)
Copyright � 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society 34But they kept quiet because on the way they had argued about who was the greatest. 35Sitting down, Jesus called the Twelve and said, "If anyone wants to be first, he must be the very last, and the servant of all."

or

Matthew 4:17-19 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)

Copyright � 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society 17From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."
The Calling of the First Disciples 18As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. 19"Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."

Look at the men He picked as disciples. Fishermen, a tax collector. Not rich or educated men.

He told them:
Matthew 8:19-21 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)

Copyright � 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society19Then a teacher of the law came to him and said, "Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go."
20Jesus replied, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."

There are many many good men and women working in soup kitchens, hospitals, huts all over the world because they understand the call of Yeshua to serve the poor and immigrant.

I don't know anything about this 'prophet', but it does not seem to me his actions stack up against these words of the one he says he serves. The rest is between him and G-d

Lafe Tolliver says:

Regarding comment #10:

No such scripture. Also, there is no down payment
to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.....especially not
mammon. Brint...either you are being droll in your
humor or you do not know the Word of God.
Note: by the way, God does not command a tithe for
N.T. belivers.. We are to give...we are not mandated to tithe.
As for Jordan's bitterness, he needs to give it up
and move on, repent and God can still use him.

Libby says:

Lafe;

The Bible does ask us to give up ourselves. To give of our gold and silver. Just as the tree wise men did in bringing gifts for the baby Jesus.

While we may not have frankensense and mihr to give our Lord, we are required by the Bible to give him ten percent of what he blesses us with. I have been taught the importance of the tithe since I was a mere little girl. My sister jokes that she gives 15 percent of her salary because she wants her own restroom in Heaven.

While the word of the Lord is free, the message is not.

Libby O

Joe says:

As long as we're quoting chapter and verse, and thereby using out-of-context scripture to reinforce our lack of compassion and true "Christian" behavior: I submit Matthew 21:12-13.

"12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the seats of them that sold doves,"
"13 and said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

julie

is this yo daddy?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/16/miami.preacher/index.html

just sayin!!!!!

jack jett

brint says:

Libby: "The Lord will bless you with the $200, if, in your heart you plan on giving 10 percent (tithe) back to him. It is a minor down payment to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

I'll cut him a check.

Pay to the Order Of: god
notes: for heavenly admittance

Libby, your church is not a box office to heaven. When you're giving money to a church -- you're giving it to a bureaucratic, politically entrenched human organization. That's fine, if you agree with what the organization is doing.

It's your money, spend it as you wish. But don't for a minute pretend you're being charitable. Well, I guess you don't have this problem, seeing as how you view your tithes as investments. You expect to be compensated. That's not charity. That's capitalism.

Which brings me to my next point. The tax-exempt status of churches should be rebuked. They're not charitable organizations. They're country clubs.

Country clubs whose members have somehow convinced themselves that clapping, signing, and affirming eachother's rhetorical jibberish between sips of an espresso on a sunday morning is a meaningful, and even philanthropic activity.

The Church is the worst organization in the world. Not because it starts wars, promotes prejudices, fights intellectual growth and retards meaningful social progress in general. Not because it produces nauseatingly uninspired contemporary art, wastes billions on luxurious overhead, entertainment and infrastructure, or props-up and protects predatory charlatans and pedophiles.

The Church is the worst organization in the world because it holds the greatest potential to do good, yet does so very little.

bill h says:

"The Church is the worst organization in the world because it holds the greatest potential to do good, yet does so very little."

I fear there is much truth in your charge Brint. You state your point very broadly, and I don't think I can agree that the Church is the worst organization in the world. I mean there's the Politboro in North Korea and the Texas Legislature for goodness sake. Still, the charitable nature of many churches is pretty hidden behind all fo the things you mentioned. Still, the church is the Body of Christ we believe and it is much much bigger than the American institutions, we are familiar with. Pastors and priest the world over, provide shelter, food, medicine and comfort to the neediest people on earth. I think in fairness, that should be mentioned. Still, rather than attacking your conclusion, I am sad to say that I think there's truth there. If the followers of Jesus spent less time on politics and more time learning what Jesus said and tried to follow those words, well, I think we'd be in a much better place as a planet.

Thanks for the kick in the ...shins. Food for thought.

brint,

to say that the church is the worst organization in the world is a vast generalization. there are mega churches centered on personal wealth, politics, and propaganda, but there are also brilliant churches centered on finding the true meaning of the scriptures, and fighting for social justice.

unfortunately, it seems that the former are far greater than the latter. christ calls us to love our neighbors as ourselves. he calls us to feed the hungry, comfort the widows, the orphans, the prisoners, and the foreigners.

it shames me to say that you are correct. we don't even come close to our potential to do good.

in matt. 10:39 (nlt) christ says, "if you cling to your life you will lose it; but if you give it up for me you will find it." it's to bad that so many of us (myself included) are too busy hanging onto the things we don't need to give to the people who do need.

Quoting Julie's blog:

"Because I saw that the 11 o'clock hour was the most segregated hour in America on Sunday morning," he said. "And then our churches that are mixed, the pulpit does not reflect the congregation.

"When blacks are in leadership," he continued, "they look for us to preach in the pulpit and be entertaining. They look for us to be singing. But they never look to us for direction."

True enough, I thought. African-American church leadership and teaching are maligned in seminaries, dismissed as shallow — "a mile wide and an inch deep." Mixed churches with white leadership always seem to take on a predominantly white flavor in worship and preaching. Black Pentecostals are held in suspicion by their white brethren, presumed not be doctrinally pure enough. I could go on.

Everything the prophet said about race was shamefully accurate.

I was starting to understand. Every time he talked about race, his entire countenance changed. His face hardened. His tempo of speech shifted.

Master Prophet Bernard Jordan is an offended brother. He is angry, because the white-led charismatic community has utterly rejected his gift.

Consider who is supporting Jordan in his challenge of the status quo white dominated charismatic church community. Ponder why as Julie called them, middle-aged black church ladies, support his ministry. Wonder to yourself if Jordan's supporters are about his gift of prophecy or if it's a statement of racial bias, a reflection of the world as they see it. Strip away the pentecostal posturing and tell me you don't see racism, a black woman's racism.

bill h says:

Harvey,
Now, my friend. I read this from you:

"This is first and foremost a black woman thing. For some silly reason that I'm sure is perfectly understandable they insist upon a man having a divine aura about him to get their attention. If you think I'm silly look at the men who seem to reflect success in the black community. Pimp, preacher,
professional, or athelete they have to be a showboat for the black women to embrace them. If you look at the successful black men who don't showboat you
find a common denominator, a good woman that supports their man as he is."

This really strikes me as racial stereotyping Harvey. I really think you generalize too much. Are you really saying that's what passes for success in
the 'Black Community?"

Come on Harvey, I know you don't really think that.
The days of holding forth in broad generalizations about the Black community really should be long gone. To be frank, that's pretty insulting to the black men and women whose idea of success is just as rich and deep as I know yours is.


Beautiful mornings this week. I'm starting each day with my journal. This weekend it was chilly enough to have a pinon fire in the chiminea. I took a long walk on sunday, so a huge flock of cedar waxwings, a downy woodpecker, robins, and a pond full of wood ducks. Listening to U2, Peace on Earth, all was right with the world.

Joe says:

I have to agree with bill h. The attraction to showboating isn't isolated within a single racial group. How many time have you seen white women in Addison or Plano or West End bars snuggling up to Chris-Chris from sales as he brags about his new Mercedes and Rolex?

Libby says:

Brint

I will pray for you today. I will tithe for you today. I want you to be able to enter the gates to Heaven and there we can sing a joyful noise unto to Lord.

The Church is doing so great philanthropic work. They have even helped those that have gone out and got the AIDS virus. The Pope is helping create peace throughout the world.

Do you know the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal saviour?

Libby

Bill, thanks for the Word perspective. I've heard statements very similar to the ones Jordan made about poor folks from other ministers recently. Must be something going around. None of it is remotely Scriptural.

Harvey, not sure if I'm following you. Jordan didn't mention the racial stuff much during the seminar at the Hyatt Regency. It came up in our interview. I think his main attraction to people has little to do with race. Folks come to him to have their fortune told, plain and simple. They know that God condemns sorcerors, so they figure it's OK if the fortune-teller is a preacher.

Libby says:

Julie

If Bishop Gordon is a man of God, then he has the right to ask for money for his work. This is because we know that the Lord has asked him to ask for money. Money makes the world go round and as long as the Bishop is tithing to the Lord, he is doing right and as the Bible request. He, as we all do, have a mansion, just over the hilltop

Libby

brint says:

Libby Said: "I will pray for you today. I will tithe for you today. I want you to be able to enter the gates to Heaven and there we can sing a joyful noise unto to Lord...

Do you know the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal saviour?"
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Gee, now that you put it like that, I think I'll convert to Christianity. It's all so clear to me now! I can't believe I'd never considered Christianity before.

You'd think playing with felt Bible characters at Sunday School would have put me on the right track early on. Failing a thorough pre-teen brainwashing, at the very least I should have found Christ while attending a Christian high school. After all, playing the prodigal son was a trendy, popular thing to do and scored you a day out of class for "Spiritual Renewal."

But I've never been one of popular pursuits. I'm a thinker. Considering this, two years at a Christian university should have opened my eyes to the thoughtfully compelling nuance of the Christian perspective.

But most of it is just cliche, nonsensical rhetoric repeated without a second-thought to substance and meaning. It didn't stick, because it lacked intelligent appeal. It wasn't until moments ago, upon reading your heart-felt and beautifully original testimony that I decided to give my life to Jesus.

You've really outdone yourself, Libby. Score another one up for Christ! Be back later. I must go baptize myself in the office-park fountain.

Libby says:

Brint;

I am not sure if you are being upfront with me. I pray to the Lord that you are as that would make this a most blessed day for all us. Some people are Baptised in swimming pools, some in a church tank, some if a catfish pond. As long as you know that Jesus is in your heart, and you have given yourself to him totally and completely, then the Lord will begin to prepare a mansion for you on the streets of gold in Heaven.

Praise to the Father,

Libby

bill h says:

"I'm a thinker. Considering this, two years at a Christian university should have opened my eyes to the thoughtfully compelling nuance of the Christian perspective.

But most of it is just cliche, nonsensical rhetoric repeated without a second-thought to substance and meaning. It didn't stick, because it lacked intelligent appeal."

Again, Brint you make a good point. I believe that this is true of much of what passes for Christian 'teaching'. Often it has more in common with Deep Thoughts with Stuart Smiley.

I find there are good intellectually stimulating Christian writers.
Dallas Willard, Professor in the School of Philosophy at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles comes to mind. The failure of contemporary Christianity to approach things in an intellectually stimulating way, was best illustrated by The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind (Paperback)
by Mark A. Noll (Author. J.P. Moreland, also has chided Christians on this score.

Jesus once said,

Matthew 22:36-38 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)

Copyright � 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

I don't quote scripute because I think that you will find it authoritative, only to illustrate that an intellectual approach is an essential component of a balanced Christian life.

I appreciate you taking the time to discuss these matters. I'm sorry that you haven't found Christianity to be intellectually appealing. It is to me and to others I respect.

Personally, I think that G-d is big

brint says:

Libby,

What would make you think I'm not sincere? Look, I realize I wasn't an easy convert. You know that. But that doesn't mean I'm a joker.

You shouldn't second guess yourself, Libby. With my conversion you probably scored yourself a beach-front plot on the Crystal Sea.

brint

Libby says:

Well then praise be to the holy ghost.

I hope that Julie is happy that thanks to her, another sheppard has been added to the flock.

I am a happy woman. Praise be. Praise be.

Keep us posted as to how you are doing and let us know if you need some spiritual uplifting. That is what we are here for.

Libby

Harvey, not sure if I'm following you. Jordan didn't mention the racial stuff much during the seminar at the Hyatt Regency. It came up in our interview. I think his main attraction to people has little to do with race. Folks come to him to have their fortune told, plain and simple. They know that God condemns sorcerors, so they figure it's OK if the fortune-teller is a preacher.

Comment by Julie Lyons

Julie, how many people of color were in the audience of a hundred and twenty five? If the percentage that was African American was a majority then we have to draw one of two conclusions. Either his race was a major factor. Or African Americans are more likely to believe in fortune telling gospelly speaking.

I would like you to go back over your interview with Jordan in your own mind Julie. As you're replaying the interaction between Jordan and yourself recall his interactions with the lucky few with the substance and good taste to make the purchase of his books.

Consider for a minute that his gift for fortune telling isn't Biblical. Assume that it's a talent or gift not unlike Muhammed Ali's ability to know his opponent's next blow before they did. No magic involved at all, just an ability to read another person on a level most of us probably will never experience.

If you're with me so far consider this scenario. When he told of better health, happier kids, a new husband, nicer car or home, etc and so on would you agree he could have been reading the individuals he was prophesying to? That he was reading them and telling them what they wanted to hear?

Do you believe that he treated you any different? That he was reading you and telling you what you wanted to hear? He mentioned racism because that's what you expected to hear?

Morning Bill,

Yesterday was a great day. I like those. Even though when I got home last night I realized I had a flat on the passenger side outside dual. Even this was a good thing. If it had been an inside driver's side flat I probably wouldn't have noticed it until the the tire was ruined or I'd blown out the other tire and wrecked the truck. We have to count our blessings where we find them.

So instead of hitting the road early I'll have to head for the truck tire store and hope that the tire can be repaired versus replaced. Repair will be about twenty bucks. Replace will be about fifteen hundred because I'll have to replace all four on the back. They're within six months of replacement and I hate having one new tire on a set. Gets things out of cycle, complicates life, etc and so on.

You're right of course. About me picking on Julie and using a big brush to color people of color, especially women of the color. My personal justification for my attacking her isn't personal of course. It's about a fine tuning I see due in our discussion on racism these days.

I'm having to deal with that in a personal and in my face manner that's causing me some discomfort. What has happened is I'm interacting with some good people with a perspective that's racist from my point of view. They don't see it as racist and they're the kind of people that when they realize their view could be construed as racist will alter it. The bind comes with how to introduce such a concept to them.

I've always thought the hardest lesson to accept in life was good things can happen to bad people. The next hardest lesson to learn to swallow is that bad things can happen to good people. I'm starting to believe those two lessons were kindergarten stuff compared to juggling good people having a racist position that they can't see as racist. It's a difficult situation, kinda sorta like hugging a cactus because it is a tree in it's own kind of way.

As I'm wrestling with this aspect of white racism and how to deal with it Julie throws this weeks pot of stuff to stew over into my life. Voila! I'm not the only one dealing with racism's fine points. She is dealing with it too even if she doesn't realize it. I'm here to help Julie and maybe she can help me.

We're lucky to be alive today. Our relationships with each other as far as race is concerned is not unlike that of a house that's framed and ready for siding and interior finish out. The cuts and fit up tolerances are now more critical than ever before. The fit ups that worked when framing when close enough was close enough doesn't work when doing the millwork in the dining room. A quarter of an inch gap in a fit up of paneling on the wall destroys the appearance of the wall.

When doing the framing that quarter of an inch difference wasn't critical because the important thing was the stuctural integrity. But we're beyond that now, it's not only about the structural integrity, it's also about fit and finish, quality of the relationship.

I'm running late. My internet time will become very limited for awhile. I'm helping build a great home for a wonderful family. I'm truly blessed. Even when I have flats.

brint says:

Libby Said: "Well then praise be to the holy ghost. I hope that Julie is happy that thanks to her, another sheppard has been added to the flock.

I am a happy woman. Praise be. Praise be.

Keep us posted as to how you are doing and let us know if you need some spiritual uplifting. That is what we are here for."

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Easy does it, Libby. Don't wear yourself out. On the drive home I started having second thoughts.

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally into this "god as a real estate mogul" thing -- it's the most compelling form of Christian I've found to date. Because it has imagination.

It sparks dreams of the material rewards which await. Any religion where mere 10% tithes transform into crown molding, stainless steel appliances and hardwood floors is my kind of religion. But I have a very important question. Is Heaven modeled after suburbia? I ask because you could say my eternal-living space requirements are fairly... specific.

I need a townhome, not a traditional house. And it simply must be in San Francisco (or the heavenly equivalent). Actually, let's make it just like the townhome from the late-80s television show Full House. It must be furnished with a baby grand piano, a musically talented boyfriend, two adopted black children and a cheesy comedian brother-in-law.

I'd be willing to settle for a loft or condo with 1300 square feet MINIMUM. But an urban after-lifestyle is definitely a must. If Real Estate Heaven is anything like Plano, I'm afraid I'll have no choice but to return to my pagan ways.

Libby says:

Brint;

Now, I am very suspect that you are making fun of the religion that I and Julie Lyons hold so close to our hearts.

I think perhaps you owe us an apology.

Libby O

brint says:

Oh Libby, my gullible Christian internet friend. I'm sorry if I embarassed you. But you deserved it. For a couple reasons, actually:

1) You saw me as target for conversion, and you know it.
2) You were painfully cliche about it--especially with that dreadful opening platitude.

Besides, it was funny. Being saved via a three-sentence message board post. Baptism in an office-park fountain. Living an urban After-lifestyles. C'mon! That's funny whether you're Christian or not.

Brint;

I think every aspect of the posting on this board are fairly funny. Office park fountain baptism is pretty f*cking funny and sounds like it it could be part of the film "sordid lives".

it doesn't matter if i feel like libby oblivia or
jack e. jett, i love you and don't think you need to apologize to anyone for your opinions.

it some really good funny azz sh*t dude....
fuzzy azz!!!!!!!!

jack jett

Jack, your bad spelling gives you away.

julie

just like your obsession with anal sex gives you away. just like your censorship of those that differ gives you away. just like your overt hypocrisy gives you away. just like your stories that lead to nowhere, that now require assistance.
just like your over the top judgemental attitude of everyone and everything that is out of line with the holy roller line of thinking.

just like your censorhship of gay and lesbian artist from your publication. just like your denouncement of a celebration of halloween as you think it is a satanic ritual. just like you find it necessary to try and make you gay people feel guilty for not praying their gay way like you?

honey, i don' write for a weekly newspaper. i just comment. perhaps you should be far more concerned with your lack of journalistic skills than mine.

i would like to see you attack some of your supporters as you attack me.

you better put a call out to your holy rollers to email me with insane biblical bullshit.

jack jett

huh?

here is a positive video of gay reparation therapy that ms. lyons loves to promote.

http://www.queerty.com/queer/exgay/the-trials-and-tribulations-of-exgayers-video-edition-20070222.php

jack jett

just another story of a homophobic preacher busted for sex in a toilet.

this story is great because the gay bashing preacher is now saying that he has the right to
ask for a blow job.

just another homo preaching that being a homo can be prayed away........

http://www.queerty.com/queer/news/antigay-pastor-has-right-to-ask-to-suck-dick-says-lawyer-20070223.php

julie...everytime i read one of these stories, i think of you.

i am sure that you can write a glowing article about this pastor with the help of your assistant.

spell check this baby.

jack jett

Sean says:

For the truth on money from according to the scriptures read:

Through the Needles Eye (It's free):
http://www.shepherdserve.org/stewardship.htm

It's written by a prosperity preacher turned Christian.

You can read his own story in chapter 10 called "My Journey".

Sean

Now you are bringing the truth to the table.

Thank you......thank you.

Shine on!

Jack Jett

Sean says:

Here is a short audio 9.5 min on "God's Man".

Listen to this FIRST:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2833923807228387128&hl=en


Here is a longer "comp" called "The Love Of Money" - LISTEN TO THE ABOVE FIRST:

http://www.thesearchforbiblicaltruth.org/love_of_money.mp3

May God be Glorified,

Sean

brightone says:

Ok, I listened to all your comments and it is obvious that hell is yet getting larger. You are certainly allowing the messanger to cause you to loose sight on the MESSAGE!!. Dont judge the mail man if he is carrying something you dont like, you need to contact headquarters for sending the mail.
Oh yeah, you must be crazy if you think Bishop Jordan is not a man of God. IF you cant respect the man in authority, respect the authority in the man. We respect the President not b/c of his Person but b/c of his Position.

Sean says:

"Preachers who have homes and cottages by the lake, a boat on the lake, and a big bank balance, still beg for more. With such extortioners and unjust men, can God entrust Holy Ghost revival? These dear, doll-like preacher-boys no longer change their suits once a day, but two or three times a day. They preach the Jesus of the stable, but themselves live in swank hotels. For their own lusts they bleed the audience financially in the name of the One who had to borrow a penny to illustrate His sermon. They wear expensive Hollywood suits in honor of the One who wore a peasant's robe. They feast on thirty dollar steaks in remembrance of the One who fasted alone in the desert. Today an evangeslist is not only worthy of his hire (so he thinks), but of compound interest. How fearful will all this be in the judgement morning!"

~L. Ravenhill (Why Revival Tarries)

Floyd says:

That sad thing about the majority of comments is the underlying belief that anybody and everybody on planet earth is allowed to enjoy the finer things of life except for the clergy. How do you square that with common sense or equity? I can prove from the Word of God, the Bible, i.e., that I can give book, chapter, and verse that Jesus Christ was materialistic. And I can exegete each of these passages of Scripture in their proper contextual setting. Many people are learned in what the Bible has to say about the subjects of salvation, marriage, parenting, morality, ethics, etc., but are woefully ignorant to what it has to say about money and prosperity. Consequently, they end up inadvertently fulfilling the prophecy of Jesus: "And it shall come to pass that whosoever killeth you thinketh he doeth God a service." Prophet Jordan may be unorthodox in doctrine on many an issue, but as far as his understanding and teachings about the money, I have yet to find him contradict the Scriptures.

I am on the earth fulfilling my destiny and that is open the eyes of the blind. If the only thing that Julie has gotten out of the interview was that racism was alive and well in the church then my work has been complete with Julie and perhaps she will use her skills to bring change to her own world and community. But as God begins to move in the earth we need to prepare for the shift that is coming in the minds of men. My prayer is that Jesus will be seen in this day through those that you least likely expect. The difference between success and failure is information. Lately I have been discovering some truths about laws and spiritual truths concerning finances. I am more of a spiritual giant than I have ever been. I have no plans of going back.
As we come into new level of consciousness for the new century. It is up to you to be what you want to be. It is up to you to have what you want to have. It is up to you to do what you want to do. If you do not do what you want to do, be what you want to be, have what you want to have, it is only your fault.
Principles of success are given to those that are at a level of consciousness to rise above the tide that is before their eyes; it is up to you to live your life. We give you the truth of spiritual economics; it is up to you to become that truth which is available to all of mankind. We teach you the principles of these eternal truth that have been around since time began.
True economics can show up when we can become a child in our mind once again. If you are not having fun in your unction you are in the wrong function. Most individuals miss out on success because they lose the child like faith that puts fun back into life. Your imagination is creation. Being rich is a science, and it disturbs me that my people are poor. It disturbs me that my people are broke. It disturbs me that my people are busted and disgusted. So, therefore, we must give you the principles of empowerment.
When I visited Guyana South America and preached to thousands of people in the land I noticed that the people were poor but the land was rich. How could this be in a country so rich in resources? They have gold mines. Those gold mines are all in the interior. There is gold all around you in your world as well but usually we don't see it because we are blinded to where the real gold is.
The problem with Guyana is that the people have not mixed their minds with the soil. The soil they have is rich, but they have not mixed their mind with the soil of their land.
We are in an age of technology. You are in New York City, one of the leading cities of the world. You can go down to the flower district and open up a flower business; you can go down to the garment district and pick up ties and open up a tie business. You have major record label is in this city. You have all of Madison Avenue, which is advertisement. And what is the problem that we are not rich? You have not mixed your mind with your soil.

Everything began with God.
I began with God.
God and I began together.
I have no fear.
I have no doubt.
Greatness is a part of me.
No-thing or no one can keep me from my assignment.
I am destined for greatness.

As Maya Angelou would say, "yet still I rise"

Floyd says:

GOD ON EARTH
Without money, the entire world itself---from its center to its circumference----would eventually implode. That is why, as the Yiddish proverb correctly states, "The world stands on three things: money, money, and money."
Money is an extraordinarily beautiful concept born long ago in the mind of the Father. In fact, money is a divine idea which God dropped into the imagination of man in order to bring about a sense of justice and equity within the affairs of man. That is why those who criticize and disdain money are divinely disqualified from ever having money in abundance, for to reject money is to reject God because money literally is God on earth manifest in the form of paper and ink, (even morphing, at times, into the form of metal coinage)! That is also why the individual who had the presence of mind to coin the term, "Almighty Dollar", deserves our highest accolades.
Yes, when and wherever you see money in circulation, know of a surety that you are witnessing a stark demonstration of the wisdom and power of God!

Excerpt from the book, "When The Angel of Prosperity Comes To Your House" by Prophet Floyd Anthony Barber, Jr. All rights reserved.

God speed, Bishop Jordan, in your endeavor to raise the prosperity consciousness of the world in general, and of our people---the African diaspora---in particular.

Floyd says:

Sean, in your quote above, Leonard Ravenhill claims that Jesus "wore a peasant's robe." But is Ravenhill correct, or is he just ranting? Let's be studious and, like the people of the city of Berea (Acts 17:10,11), let us critique his claim in the light of the Scriptures by taking a moment to talk about Jesus' clothing.
At Calvary, when and where Jesus was crucified, the Bible says, "Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be" (John 19:23,24). If Jesus Christ lived in poverty while He walked the earth (as Ravenhill and others insist), what value, then, would these Roman soldiers have found in His clothing that made them take His clothing and divide it into four parts, a piece for each of the four of them to keep for themselves? They couldn't have done this because they wanted Jesus' clothes as some kind of souvenir or religious relic because they (being hedonistic pagans so-called) did not believe in a Jewish Messiah, neither did they care anything about Jesus and the things He preached. The obvious answer is that Jesus' clothing was creme de la creme in quality, so much so that the Roman soldiers immediately recognized the value of His clothing and wanted to keep the material for themselves. No doubt they planned on pawning the material for money. But the real clincher is Jesus' coat. His coat was of such fine quality that the soldiers did not want to tear it in any way whatsoever, but decided to cast lots for it (the ancient equivalent of rolling dice) in order to determine who would get to keep it. Notice the Scripture says that Jesus' coat was woven without seam. This clearly reveals that Jesus, like any normal person, shopped for clothing. Moreover, when He went shopping for a coat, He did not buy His coat off the rack, so to speak, but went to a professional tailor and was privately fitted for His coat in order to have it specifically made to fit the contour of His body. The man had class! Today, we would call a coat of that quality no less than a Gucci or Louis Vuitton. Jesus, being the only begotten Son of the "King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God", was and is royalty. Therefore, He was and is an individual of exquisite taste, expecting nothing less than the best for Himself. And what Jesus expected for Himself, He desires for