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The Mystery of Sexual Orientation

Thu Sep 21, 2006 at 01:09:49 PM

Her name was Stephanie. This much I've figured out: She had everything I didn't. She was cute, with long, dark hair and store-bought clothes. She was athletic—at least more so than a skinny, awkward kid like me. Most of all she was popular. I was not.

We were only 7. But I vividly remember my first crush on a girl.

It is possible that my attraction was born of loneliness. My family had just moved, for the eighth or ninth time. My parents married at 19, then moved here and there while my father went to college, medical school, internship, residency, a stint in Vietnam.

My older sister took it all in stride. I did not.

By 7, I had become extremely shy. I had no friends. I still see, feel and smell what it was like to stand outside the back door of my school during recess, shivering in the cold. I had no one to play with, and I'd wait there for someone to open the door so a blast of air could momentarily warm me. You'd see me hunched, hands shoved in pockets, right beside the other outcast: an Indian girl named Abha Sangal. We never spoke. Funny how I remember her name.

When the invitations for Stephanie's birthday party were handed out, all but two girls were invited, if I remember correctly: Abha Sangal. And me.

I'm sure a lot of girls went through something similar. But as I grew older, some things changed with my peers but not with me. They were boy-crazy. I was not.

They obsessed over their hair, their dresses, their dolls. I could not have cared less.

Girly girls, in fact, bored me to death. Still do. My parents gave me dolls—the reciprocity thing, since my sister already had them. My mother laughs about it now: My Barbies were always naked. Since all they could do was change their clothes—so dull—I made plastic parachutes for them and hurled them up into the trees. My mother bought me black Barbie dolls, hoping they'd spark some interest. They ended up flying through the trees as well.

In adolescence, this mildly unusual lack of interest in "girl" things took a sharp turn. I began feeling a strong, almost overwhelming attraction for other girls. It had nothing to do with sex; it was affection and comfort that I craved from a girl. I was interested in boys too, but the interest was purely sexual, though not acted upon. This dichotomy of desire was inward, powerful and so frightening to me that I didn't dare put words to it, much less confide in anyone. At the same time I began to experience depression, a darkness that seemed to rest on me, envelop me, for days at a time.

Now you can draw your own conclusions here, and I'm sure you will. Gay? Bisexual? Confused? Just plain weird?


Today I will say that sexual orientation is a mystery. It does frustrate me greatly when evangelicals talk about "sexual preference." In gay activist Mel White's book, Religion Gone Bad, which I wrote about last week (unflatteringly), he tells how Pat Robertson pointedly refers to homosexuality as a "preference."


Hmm...let's see. Today I'll have a Wild Cherry Pepsi. Tomorrow I'll have a can of Squirt.


I don't entirely blame Robertson; he just doesn't know what he's talking about. The truth is we are all born broken--so often in the area of sexual identity, something that touches the core of who we are and what we were created to be.


That, I believe, is the authentic biblical view: born broken, children of original sin. Desperately in need of a savior--who then tells us we must be "born again." Sexual brokenness takes so many forms: homosexuality, children who've been violated, the middle-aged man who frantically pursues younger women.


Most evangelicals and gays have this in common: They fixate on the question of whether homosexuality is a genetically ordained condition. The majority of evangelicals, of course, say it is not; most gays believe it is. There is intriguing but maddeningly inconclusive scientific evidence for each side of the argument. How you read it reveals mostly your preconceptions.


Let me say a thing or two about my extended family: On one side is a seemingly inherited predisposition for depression. Two suicides—brothers—in one family, plus a serious attempt (which that individual wrote about in a well-reviewed, semi-autobiographical book). I suffered from depression for years. So did other relatives.


On the other side of the family are several gays and lesbians spanning multiple generations, including those of an era in which such a lifestyle was dangerously taboo. There are also instances of what I would call sexual sin: adultery, a man who molested children.


So, did I inherit depression? Did I inherit homosexuality?


Maybe, maybe not. As a follower of Jesus Christ, I say it doesn't matter. That's right—it doesn't matter.


What? What? you say.


Let me continue my story. I remember a time as a teenager when I wrote a letter to my mom, telling her I was attracted to girls. (I don't remember the words, but I somehow got across the point that I was sexually conflicted.) I wrote it in tears, in smudgy blue ink. I pleaded for her help, because I respected her Christian faith. I tucked it in an envelope, ran across the street and stuck it in our mailbox. It wasn't long before I ran across the street again and plucked it back. I tore it up in tiny pieces.


I was so ashamed. Never told a soul until just a few years ago, because I was raised in evangelical and fundamentalist churches. Saved in a Baptist church at 4. Wore white tights and patent leather shoes to church, with a zipper-enclosed King James Bible clutched in my sweaty paw. Deeply interested in spiritual matters from an early age, something my parents recognized and encouraged. I understood the fear of God, and I understood sin. All sex outside of marriage was sin to me; homosexuality, out of the question.


I can't remember what triggered my almost-confession. I'm sure depression was wrapped up in it somehow. I'd had a vision--in a semi-conscious state--of spinning in a vortex, being pulled up (yes, up) to hell. Never saw it, but I knew it was hell.


I was sexually conflicted in my early 20s but also abstinent. (Sex does complicate things, and I did not have to deal with those complications.) I had boyfriends. I never had a sexual relationship with a woman, however. That fear of God was ever before me, even though I wasn't particularly devout at the time.


I know some will read this and say I never was or still am. We're so wedded to preconceptions. Since you don't know me, all I can say is this: My experience is no more than it is, no less than it is.


At 23, I was despondent, too indifferent about life to contemplate suicide. That's when I began looking for an authentic faith in Jesus Christ, something different from all the phoniness and superficiality I encountered as a kid.


I won't get into too much detail here, but I had a supernatural experience when I was finally water-baptized at the age of 25. At 26, three dear friends from Northern Ireland prayed for me to be healed of depression. Hereditary depression, I believe, were the words they used. There were no fireworks that evening, just quiet faith.


I am free of that depression today.


Obviously, I experience sorrow and sadness, which are reactions to circumstances. I still have a generally introverted disposition. (Jesus isn't in the lobotomy business.) But the depression I used to suffer, independent of circumstance, triggered at times by something as inexplicable as an old song, is no longer a part of my life. (In all honesty, I have experienced something that felt similar to the old depression on two occasions: a few days after I gave birth to my son, which I suspect was a purely chemical matter, and earlier this year. The pastor of my church prayed for me, and the depression departed again.)


You might have guessed where I'm going now. The same thing happened concerning my sexual identity. Shortly before I got married, a Christian counselor prayed to break a "curse of sexual perversion" on my life. Oooh, I know that's a rough word, perversion. But that's what she said. My head didn't spin around; I didn't hurl pea soup. Yet something spiritual broke loose.


Today I've been happily married for 16 years. (OK. Gotta be totally honest again. I'd say about 14 of those 16 years have been very happy. The other two, less so.) Now you're never gonna make a girly girl out of me, but then why would you want to?


The Apostle Paul said, "For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ." This is how I've come to understand his words: You don't know who you really are, who you were really meant to be until you have a relationship with Jesus Christ. Until you've surrendered your all to him—including your broken sexuality, in whatever form that has taken. That's the death Paul is talking about. You must allow Jesus to remake your life as he sees fit.


I am leaving out many pieces of the story. Four final points:


1. My "deliverance" from depression and a broken sexual identity did involve choices. I ultimately wanted to obey God more than I wanted to sin. And, as I wrote last week, I do believe homosexuality is a sin. I needed supernatural help making a clean break, and I got that through faith, the prayers of others and believing God is who he says he is in Scripture. I also made a decision to put away the trappings of my broken past, such as sexual fantasizing. I still make that decision, and I still call upon God to help me.


2. I had issues with the ideal of womanhood offered to me in the evangelical church. To me, evangelicals are terribly guilty of pushing noxious stereotypes of men and women—there's an entire corner of the Christian publishing industry devoted to that stuff. Like the women's books with the soft-focus covers, the curly writing and the pictures of flowers. No wonder I had identity issues.


3. I married a great man who has always loved me as I am.


4. I ended up in a church of misfits, of people who once led busted lives. Former drunks and crack addicts and people who once suffered from documented mental illnesses. All manner of bad boys and girls. We were people who desperately needed intervention from above—go-for-broke kind of folks. General admonitions to be good and to be kind and to study our Bibles daily just weren't gonna cut it. We needed God's supernatural power. In that kind of atmosphere, people who want it bad enough get healed.


Paul understood this fully. He wrote to the bad-boy church in Corinth: "Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders...will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were."


Thank God for the past tense.


I believe Jesus Christ has the power to totally transform a person's life. That used to be what evangelicals believed. Now they're so cowed by issues like gay marriage, so desperate to fit in, that they've grown faint of heart and faith. --Julie Lyons

Next week: Bible Girl decodes Jesus Camp.

72 Comments:

Gerald says:

Beautiful!! I can totally relate. It was like hearing myself.
Thanks

Jojo says:

Thanks for sharing, Biblegirl. Enjoy your life in the closet.

Isaac says:

When did Unfair Park become such a bible-thumping blog? So uncool. And girrrrrrrl... your problem was not being a lesbian, you were, and possibly still are, big time psychologically imbalanced. Don't confuse the two of them. Take another holy shower and pray the LORD ( who by the way is not male, but female and also a LESBIAN ) saves you.

S Boralis says:

Bible girl, I read what you wrote to one of my friends who writes eloquent prose for a living, and all she could come up with in response was, "Dang!" Not "dang" as in "crum." But "dang" as in "that girl has my R-E-S-P-E-C-T."

Jennie B. says:

Did it truly never occur to you that your depression was linked to your near pathological need to deny your sexual orientation?

Maybe if you hadn't been brought up with such extreme repression and judgmentalism -- as in the "sin" of homosexuality -- you would have had an easier time coming to terms with issues you clearly haven't fully dealt with to this day.

Mitchell says:

Bible girl, you've got guts! Thanks for being the salt and light you were called to be, despite the inevitable opposition you'll face. Love the writing style, too. Just beautiful.

bill says:

Julie, thank you for your brutally honest self disclosure. It was not just well written, but very honoring to the G-d you seek to serve. I am certain there are those who do not want to read about a writer's evangelical faith. It is frankly terribly refreshing to read a person of faith talk with honesty about their own spiritual journey of faith. It is a voice not often expressed. I was moved by your words Julie, thank you.

Disappointed and Embarrassed For You says:

When did the Observer become a religion rag? I'm supposed to read this rhetoric while at the same time read about freaky preachers? I don't mind you reporting stuff like that but keep these prejudices to yourself. What is the goal of the Observer? If it's to spread some sort of religious spatterings as opposed to reporting news and enlightening us on the inner workings of Dallas, then count me out. Don't be an alternative weekly if you're going to tell us what is right, as opposed to what is wrong. Much less what is right according to personal views rather than journalistic research and reporting. If that's the future of the DO, I'll just go back to the DMN. At least they are upfront about what kind of newspaper they are.

JD says:

Woah--is this a LiveJournal post?

John says:

Come on Jennie B., can't you take her at her word instead of holding onto the idea that she is and always will be gay. Is it really so hard to believe that people can change? Is it so hard to believe in a supernatural , powerful being that loves you and will help you be who you want to be in Him?
Even if Julie is the absolute only person to be changed in this way, it is still a beautiful description of the way God always loves us.

Dawn P. says:

Bible Girl, It's breathtaking to read someone so passionate and vulerable. Cool has nothing to do with it. I can't think of a word to describe it. "Dang", above, might just be eloquent after all.

I don't have reference for the particular kind of brokenness that you were born with. Each of us has our own kind and it is very real to the broken. Until you know different, until you are brought to the point of realization that God has infinitely better plans for you, it feels right and normal, impossible and illogical to change. It's just who you are. I applaud your transparency about your search for a better thing for you, rather than the cool or temporary fix. I am amazed to read above notes that would suggest that your insight and selfawareness lasted only as long as you were inclined to believe you might be a lesbian, implying that you lost the ability to know what made you happy and gave you peace when you found something different.

I feel the need to add one more thing. If you scratch the surface, talk to the girls who aren't interviewed or out protesting (likely because they acutely remember being broken too), you'll find lots of UNgirly-girls in evangelical churches. We're released from abortion, addictions, abuse and abusing, pornography, sexual confusion etc. In fact the girls who write many of those curly printed books have wretched stories of brokenness themselves. I've seen many women serve selflessly in heels, skirt and a french manicure, although that's not my style. I was put off by them too until I heard their stories and watched them live out their lives. Let's give all God's girls a little room to be who God made them to be, assuming that's what they are earnestly striving for themselves.

Riis Christensen says:

Way to go Bible Girl! How courageous and open to share your witness and story about your transformation, and kudos to DO for publishing!

embarrassed for your readers says:

As I read above, seems like DO or it's readers aren't as liberal as they would have us think. I thought supporters of acceptance and diversity would applaud a rag that would print your piece (which you clearly stated was a personal experience, not a news story or persuasive dialog) and something on 'freaky preachers', along with various personals in the same offering. A cross-section of Dallas' inner workings, your readers and apparently DO staff would include at least a few believers. Are we not welcome to participate? Who, then, is prejudiced? Apparently only certain kinds of 'coming out' are laudable.

J says:

Whoa!!!
Great story thanks for sharing
Finding peace and happiness is the key to a successful life.
Whatever the positive action(s) that took place for you to reach that happiness.
EXCELLENT

Kudos! Very well written and very brave of you to express your faith and your failings so openly. Indeed, we are all broken in our own way. It is the nature of the fallen man. For all the inevitable criticism you'll endure, if God can reach even one person thru your testimony, then it will all be worthwhile. Blessings!

dan m says:

it seems to me that the moralistic "gay is a choice" crowd is simply trying to tell us something ... they KNOW it is a choice because they CHOOSE not to act on their strong desires to roll around homo-erotically.

Claire says:

Thank you for your honesty. The Bible is extremely clear on homosexuality and I applaud you for not listening to the world, but instead listening to God. You are truely light in this dark world.

Lydia says:

It really boggles my mind that the people that pride themselves on being open minded REFUSE to believe that perhaps you truly are content and authentically living as yourself. I applaud you for sharing and speaking Truth.
Thank you.

carl says:

I love how honest and open this is. Thanks for writing it.

Megan Cossey says:

Hmm at first I was angry when I read this -- I am a lesbian who has been out and happy for a long time, and the ex-gay movement obviously raises my shackles. But I have never suffered from severe depression or terrible feelings of shame because of who I am and who I am attracted to and I wouldn't wish those feelings on anyone. I have also enjoyed acceptance and support from my friends and family from day one. So in the end, if you are now truly happy and feel fixed, then that can't be a bad thing, can it? I just hope you, and other people who read this, understand that this is an intensely personal narrative ... it tells us a lot about Julie but not necessarily much about other gays and lesbians and their own experiences of life, love, health and the pursuit of happiness.

Lakewooder says:

I hope you and other Dallas women are not broken and depressed over wearing pearls, gold and costly array -- a sin next to the verse about homosexuality in Timothy...

David says:

Even if a literal translation of scripture is your base, you have to admit that there is not a heirarchy of sin with homosexuality at the top of some "10-worse sins" list. In the Bible being gay is no more of a sin than divorce, "fornication" (such a pretty word) or having lustful thoughts. What did Jesus say? To stop judging other people and to worry about yourself.

Fundamentalists need to stop using (abusing, really) the Bible to assualt people because of their sexual orientation. If you have a moral or spiritual problem with homosexuality, then don't have gay sex. But mind your own business. Gay folks have it hard enough as it is...gay teens commit suicide at a rate 3 times higher than straight teens. As far as I'm concerned, people in the ex-gay movement are accessories to murder because of their constant gay bashing.

If you're gay you're sexuality is no different a trait than your eye or hair color: it's part of that fabric of your humanity, it's part of who you are as a creation of the divine. IT'S HOW GOD MADE YOU.

Give it up already and STOP THROWING STONES!!

I feel the comment "you go girl" expresses how I feel after reading your piece best.

The important thing in all this is you're a believer. In your case it happens to be Jesus Christ and the next survivor of life's curves might believe in Allah or a lucky shoe. We all have to believe in something, you've got yours, accept it as yours, and keep it for yourself.

I personally believe in believing.

Keep the faith.

Although I agree with absolutely nothing you said, I do appreciate your point-of-view. This is what is great about our nation. You can have your opinion and I can have mine. However, when the government begins legislating Judeo-Christian values, then I have a problem.

The right wing media own and operate most publications in Dallas. The biggest homophobe of all local mags is D Magazine. Check out the blog and see what the owner says about the above subject matter. Of course this will increase the sales of said publication because, people, like Julie who can't deal with their sexuality, hide behind the bible. However, history proves this never ever works. Read the story, she knew she was gay when she was a child. You don't stop being gay.

Again, as I stated in some comments made earlier this summer, Dallas deserves a publication that is not geared towards people who have their heads up George Bush's ass.
The Dallas Observer should STOP accepting ads from those sinners at the strip clubs, the vicoden stores, the sex ads and replace it with ads for Pat Robertson's Muscle Shakes.

Bring back THE READER!

jack e. jett

napkins says:

do you honestly think that in this abusive, bigoted world, that any person actually CHOOSES that they want to be discriminated against?

Stefano says:

While I seriously disagree with some of your viewpoints and attitudes, I need to also say that I appreciate your determination and conviction. You do what you think is right! (Without trying to push it onto others in the process.) Well done.

Remember, you define sin, not books.

Randy says:

Great article. I identified as "gay" till I was 24. I too had a spiritual experince and 14 years later my identity is rooted in my faith and my sexual orientation is heterosexual. Your article is of great encouragement to many of us on a similar path.

Lisa says:

All I can say is this is the kind of junk out there that perpetrates horrendous acts and thoughts against homosexuals. You are in essence saying homosexuals are evil and going to hell because they choose to admit their feelings and live a life true to themselves.

I applaude you for sharing your story, but you should have stopped there.

Are gay people somehow less human and doing evil because they ADMIT who they are and find peace with who the REALLY ARE, instead of what others have TOLD them to be, or how others have BRAINWASHED them to act or think? Are they all going to hell, if you believe that exists, because they embrace their feelings? If they aren't supposed to have feelings like these, why is it found in nature all around us?

Chimpanzees, the closest genetically-related animal to man, have tons of examples of homosexuality tendencies. From vultures, dogs, rabbits and cats, all of these animals and more have documented scientific studies showing homosexual tendencies. Should we pray for the animals' sins too? Should they be "saved" through prayer?

Suppression of one's self is no way to live and certainly NOT healthy. God saved you from being Gay? Are you flippin' kidding me? Is this for real? Have you any thoughts that this depression (as stated above) could entirely be related to the fact that you are repressing who you really are?

NOTE TO ALL THE BIBLE READERS-- the Bible was written by MEN, there was a council, BY MEN, to decide what to put in the bible and what to leave out...hello Judas' gospel and all the other 6 gospels that didn't make it in. How all of a sudden did this turn into God delivering a book down from the open sky to deem all gay people sinning, hell-going, evil doers who aren't praying hard enough for their redemption. If you believe that Jesus exists than you know he loves all the "sinners" and that would include gay people, and that DEFINITELY includes you Ms.Bible-lesbian.

Finding peace with yourself is the only way you will ever truly be happy. And no, that doesn't mean finding peace with God, that means, find peace by yourself, for yourself, not thinking about anything else. You can't truly love ANYONE until you love yourself, that includes your God, and your husband.

Maybe you need to see a shrink? Just a thought.

Gays should start asking the homophobic christofascists the same kind of "compassioante" questions they ask gays.

For instance, a lesbian should ask a perky, cross-wielding straight girl, "We're you born straight, or did you just choose to like guys?" and "Why can't you just stop dating guys and go out with women?" and "Why don't you pray that God will heal you of your heterosexuality?"

Confused says:

You seek sexual truth, but you put yourself on a path to eliminate your lesbian attraction, whether that was your true path or not...how odd. I support your sharing of opinions, but I disagree with trying to change your sexuality, whether you end up "successful" or not. All the major psychiatric institutions agree that attempts to convert homosexuals into heterosexuals are dangerous to their mental health and can lead to many psychological problems. This also boils down to faith vs. life. Faith is exactly what it sounds like: believing in something that is not certain or even plausible because that's just what you believe. Life is our experience; life is truth, realization, and living. Faith can be an amazing force to some people, but there is too much "evil" done in the name of faith, examples include the Crusades, the Jihad, the conflicts in Ireland, the Tibetan Monk conflicts, and more. Faith should be what you believe, not what others tell you to believe. Don't confine yourself to a specific organized religion. True religion doesn't come form a book. If you want to truly speak to God, set aside the book and form your own personal connection. Otherwise you just become someone controlled by the superiors. Who should you trust more: a book of disputed origins written about 2000 years ago and probably altered hundreds of times throughout the years by people of various motives, or your Lord himself? Personally, I don't believe in God, but I see no problems with people believing as long as it doesn't hurt themselves and especially doesn't hurt other people. I hope that you will not explicitly support people in trying to convert themselves, as those who go to the Exodus conversion camp. I hope that you rather encourage people to seek their own truth whether it be through the word of whatever gods they worship or through themselves. I have always thought with myself about things. If you believe that homosexuality is a sin, then fine, but think of it this way: should we give control of our lives to an old book? You have absolutely no true idea where it came from. Religious leaders could have written it or it could have been written by a mental patient, none of us have a true idea of who wrote it and where it came from. I'd personally rather live my life by my own decisions, not what some old dead men tell me is God's word and what is right or wrong. I have many times wished that I were not gay, that I were straight and loved females, but I have had to accept it. It's something people need to accept. It's just as hard for people to change their personality, as it is to change sexuality. Some may succeed, but in most of us it's only minor shifts. As much as you try, its practically impossible to change who you are, and why should you change when there is nothing wrong. As I always say: don't try to fix what's not broken. Would being straight make me a better person? No. Would it get me more friends? It might, but who wants friends that don't like you for your regular self. If I become straight later in life, fine, it'll be confusing, but I'll deal. For now, I'm gay, and that's all there is to say. I'm not going to change because books or preachers tell me too. It's my decision and it's my life. My friends like me for who I am. I have not had one friend stop being friends with em because i came out to them. If anything it allowed us to be closer than ever and talk openly to each other. Remaining closeted is a constant struggle, and it only hurts me emotionally and psychologically. I feel sad that there are people who tell others that you need to live by an old book or face eternal damnation. Yeah, it's what you believe, but you can preach that to me when you die and take pictures of heaven and post them on Photobucket or Flickr. For now, if you haven't seen heaven yourself, then be quiet and don't tell me who will go there or not. You have absolutely no idea, so be quiet and let people live their lives the way they want. Don't let a book that mommy slaps in your face dictate what you should believe. I love my parents because they never forced me to worship under any religion, even though my dad's catholic and my mom's protestant. I grew up to be an atheist because of my own conclusions. It's not like I'm glad there's no true evidence for the existence of God (the "complicatedness" of the universe is not even passable evidence), but I prefer to live my life on what I have figured out and what's developed in my mind. I would love to have someone larger than myself that can protect me and have a nice place to go after I die, but I don't want my life dictated by something that's fantasized about and only a simple hope. I like to hope, but I have to look for reality, and let truth dictate my life. Hence, I come to end my thoughts. Find your truth by yourself; I don't care if it takes you five years meditating in a cardboard box. Find your personal truths, get in touch with yourself, and find out who you really are. Don't live by what you're supposed to be. Thanks for listening. Sorry for the long post.

wow..it does work.
i read the entire bible last night and this morning i woke up and i am on my way to one of the titty clubs that you guys advertise to the point of annoyance.

can't wait to get me some poon and join the fred phelps group.

maybe THE JESUS OBSERVER will do a story on me.

now, i just have to find a way to get rid of my male spousal unit of 15 years and find my a hot broad to marry and then screw around on. maybe we will have some children and then my wife will harm them in the name of jesus.

i am so sad that this story has reached the national press and it just confirms this red neck agenda that dallas can't seem to get rid of.

jack jett
heterosexual extraordinare.
jesus loves me, but hates everyone else

Peter says:

Thank you for openly telling your story and experience.
I am impressed by your compassion and honesty.

In a world where liberals say we should live and let live and not judge others based on how they live their lives, I am amazed at some of the hateful comments concerning your article.

If the world congratulates homosexuals for living open lives, unashamed of their beliefs, why shouldn't Bible Girl be commended for honestly living according to her beliefs. How are we suppose to live in a loving accepting society if we can not all share out beliefs without being attacked for them.

CS says:

Since you said yourself that you were attracted to men and women as a teen, it's pretty clear to me that you're bisexual. We bisexual people DO have a choice - I can choose to ignore my gay side, like you did. This doesn't mean you were "cured" of it, just that you're ignoring it. As for me, I'm taking the healthier side and not ignoring it. People who are homosexual cannot be "cured", because they do not have a choice.

scout says:

ya, it's obviously you are bisexual, and if you're happy with your choice, then that's great. please remember that bi's chemistry often changes or is concurrent at the same time. so while a bi can go along merrily for years attracted to only one gender it can change after a while.....i'm saying this just so you don't set yourself up for when your hormones swing back....don't want you to go into depression again.

please accept that indigenous societies had a special place for LGBT's, called 'two spirits',meaning they walk with one foot here and one foot in the spiritual world. most often they were the healers. all races were indigenous before christianity came along to oppress homosexuality and other things.

thanks for your candid story, but don't set yourself up. having a support group that can bring you into the light is an at least once a week high and that's powerful stuff. it may not hold once your hormones switch, and you won't have any control over that. just be careful, please. choice is not always available.

Simone D. B. says:

This is sad. And such a sign of Dallas and it's promotion of hypocrisy and caving to hypocrytical judgementalism.

It reminds me of the story recently of the woman who was a poster child for moderate drinking, who went out campaigning that she could moderately drink. And all the while she was boozing it heavily behind closed doors.

I don't buy that someone is instantly cured of depression.
And it's a dangerous notion to promote. Very irresponsible.

People should not have bought that the woman who was a poster child for moderate drinking (when she was an alcoholic) could effectively abstain, and I don't buy that this bi-curiousity or depression is really gone. Because behind closed doors, save for the reputation, that moderate drinker was tanking it. She finally admitted that on national TV.


Just because someone preaches a miracle saving from a past haunt, just because someone preaches a perogative or reputation save does not mean they are really living the life they say they are.

The lady doth protesteth too much.

And this is sooooo insulting to people who have the guts to just admit that they are gay, and to live the life. This is a cop out, and it comes across as fundamentalist brain washing finding it's end result.

Congratualtions, on caving to dogma and fear and politically motivated interpretations.

The bible gives detailed instructions on how to properly own slaves.

So bible girl, are you going to show us all how you were "saved" and figured out how to follow that scripture next time too.....?

Please enlighten us, since you are so concerned with following the word. How should we all properly own slaves?

Or did you maybe not consider that there are some truly
mental things in the bible that were written in by people
who wanted to get away with cruel things while blaming it on G-d? Surely, you are not that naive?

Thanks for absolutely nothing but blind hypocrisy.

Lana B says:

My first comment is..."This is a BLOG"

Secondly, Julie says this is her experience, nothing more nothing less. It doesn't seem like an agenda hidden or otherwise to me.

Finally, Julie, thank you for your courage, honesty and vulnerablity. My you be blessed as a result.

scout says:

p.s., there are many alternatives to natural highs, it does not have to come from religion....prayer and meditation are ancient practises and we can 'go into the light' in many ways.

so when you're preference swings back (i'm friends with a fellow who had a gay partner for many years but he just went back to women and knows it will change again) just know there's alternatives that 'just let you be yourself'.

When I read this the other day I sent Julie an email defining my position on this issue. After reading the replies here I feel I might be wise to inject a little bit of that into this public discussion.

I have a different perspective. Mine is from the view of a father and grandfather.

We have a gay son. I say "we" because my wife brought two kids into the marriage and I did too. The boy she brought into the family is gay.

One of the things about a second marriage is you usually get more benefits than you do disadvantages. At least this is true in my case. We all agree the best thing I did for my daughter is bringing my wife into our life.

Not only did I get a great wife this time. I got three wonderful grandkids. Funny thing, not sure how it happened but through a step daughter I got three grandkids. Not step grandkids, no such thing, grandkids, the real deal

A couple of months ago the twenty three year old granddaughter gave me a big hug and thanked me for being me in their lives. It was very humbling from my perspective. I thought I was the big winner with them being part of my life.

We also have three grandkids from my kids. They range in age from six weeks to five years, two girls and a boy.

Like all parents of a homosexual we knew what we didn't want to know long before it was confirmed. Still when he came out to us it hurt. Not because of what he was necessarily. But what our world is these days. It's better than it was just twenty years ago. But it isn't as good as it could be for homosexuals.

One of the benefits of being a grandparent is you know not only what's happening now. But you're much more aware of what can happen in the future. That's why the grandkids are so special. We understand life is fragile and there isn't a guarantee on anyone's life, especially our kids and grandkids. So we embrace the moment for what it brings because tomorrow might bring a tragedy of some kind or another.

When I read Julie's piece I had a real problem with her demanding space and acceptance for her faith-rights just like she felt she gave space and acceptance to the homosexual commnunity and their supporters.

If we gave her the same acceptance she's given homosexuals we wouldn't allow christianity to be taught. We wouldn't allow christians to marry. We wouldn't allow christians to adopt. And we sure as heck wouldn't want them living in our neighborhoods where they might evangelize or morally corrupt our children.

I'm a big fan of marriage. The reason I'm a big fan of marriage is it's a tried and true mechanism to encourage monogamy. Monogamy is a wonderful thing in my book. You see I believe that as human beings we fall in and out of love our whole lives. It's what we do. The fortunate of us do it with the same person.

The biggest advantage to falling in and out of love with the same person is we fall out less each time. And everytime we fall back in we fall deeper. Monogamy has many benefits that we don't realize until we get older. One of them is all of us at one time or another looks at ourselves and feels disappointment. Then we look over at that person who knows us better than we know ourselves and they love us. At that moment in time there's nothing better.

Julie wants to deny our son one of the most important avenues to happiness that I personally can recommend. I want it for our other son and both of our daughters. If there was only one gift that I could give them before I die it would be a relationship like I have with my wife. When I see my grandkids invariably I wish the same for them.

What's terrible about Julie's position is she wants it based upon pure speculation on her part. Her apostle Paul in Hebrews describes faith better than anyone has before or since, "evidence of things hoped for." She believes without any statistical or scientific support, purely on faith (things hoped for) that our son doesn't deserve the opportunity to participate in the most universal tool mankind has ever found to promote harmony amongst human beings.

Now if she could show where homosexuals make bad spouses then I would have to maybe reassess my position. If she could show where homosexuals being married has a negative influence upon society then we could examine that too.

She can't. All she has is her faith (things hoped for).

However, I would encourage her and those who want to rule the world based solely upon their expectations to consider the downside of not offering marriage to homosexuals.

By discouraging marriage we encourage promiscuity. It doesn't matter if it's kids in college or soldiers in the service of our country. Every situation where we discourage marriage for whatever reason we see the ramifications of promiscuity. We see sexual violence, STD's, and all the emotional traumas that are part and parcel of promiscuity.

One of the hardest things on the parents of a homosexual male is the knowledge that our society with it's prejudices forces our young men into a social ghetto where they're susceptible to become prey of gay and straight predators. We can lay this phenomenon directly at the feet of people like Julie who insist that marriage is only for those who share their faith (things hoped for).

Today the son and daughter I brought into the marriage were over for some of my hamburgers with the three smallest grandkids. One of my greatest pleasures is observing the peace and harmony that is exhibited on these occasions. I see it as the ultimate testimony to the validity of mine and my wife's marriage.

I understand and accept that we won't be here forever. I also know that the kids and grandkids will remember these moments and treasure them the rest of their lives.

We have one son who's thirty nine that will probably never be able replicate the harmony. Not because of what he is or has done in life. Only because others refuse to accept their faith-beliefs (things hoped for) shouldn't be the law of the land.

One of the responsibilities of being a grandfather is doing whatever needs to be done to insure a better life for the kids and grandkids. It would be a personal catastrophe if one of those grandkids turns out to be a homosexual. And the world they face is the same one we're facing now.

Just because Julie puts speculation above reason and compassion.

john says:

My miracle was growing up in a family that accepted me when I told them that I was gay.

Your life sounds like it is two-dimensional, a lie. The bible says a lot of things, and I don't think God ever wanted this for you. I can't even say I'm glad you wrote this soul-searching article. I think the message you are sending is untrue, not representative of the real opinions held by gays, lesbians, and bisexuals of faith.

I will pray for you in the hope that you can work this out and find success without exploiting a hurtful and damaging stance towards GLBs.

To all those that would support you... if you don't ask questions, then you aren't thinking.

Kimmy says:

I always find it amazing that the people who proclaim themselves to be the most open minded tend to be tremendously closed minded about everyone else's choice. All views are right ... as long as it's their view. In my mind -- sex and gender and the whole choice thing aside -- some of the GLB community who have posted here sound alarmingly like the fundamentalist next door.

(I feel the same about the "pro choice" types, too. Tell them you chose to wait until marriage to have sex and they look at you like you're a two-headed Martian. Hey, what happened to the CHOICE part?)

Julie, I am a Christian. I nodded at some points in your story and shook my head at other points... but, guess what? That's okay. Like others who have posted before me, I am inspired by your fearless expression of your experience. I hope you don't let the personal attacks take away from that. Such honesty is awesome.

julie
wick over at d magazine loves you.

the current right wing rag that you spew propaganda for currently has over 2500 sex ads in it. so you must ask yourself.....what would jesus do.....

me thinks he wouldn't want you to be part of such blatant sinning anymore than he wants you to move in and out of your lesbian state in order to promote your pathetic career.

jack jett
jesus loves me but hates you

Monkey Man says:

Thank you, Julie, for doing so much to help me understand God's Law. I don't know about some of the secular liberals who are posting here, but I have learned a tremendous amount from my Bible. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do, however, need some advice from you, Julie, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev 1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev 15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev 25:44 states that I may indeed posses slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev 11:10 it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20 or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blends). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them - Lev 24:10-16? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws - Lev 20:14?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted and adoring fan.

Julie Lyons says:

Monkey Man,
Thanks for the survey of Leviticus. If I really thought you wanted to know how the demands of Old Testament law were resolved by Jesus Christ--Theology 101--I'd explain that. But you really don't want to know that, do you?

Isaac says:

Now that the Observer offices are located just a couple of blocks from the strip ( gayborhood ) in Cedar Springs. I am curious, do you ever feel tempted to stop by and check out Sue Ellens?

Poor Monkey Man, He got theology confused with scripture. LOL

Next you'll be telling Monkey Man that Jesus is the Prince of Peace (Theology 101). Of course scripture Matthew 10:34 through 37 in the words of Jesus says that ain't so.

Theology 101 is for those who are still on the figuring side of the equasion, right?

BTW Monkey Man, your approach is tried and true I'll agree. But I like to point out how God always prioritized his messages. You know, like in the Ten Commandments the first four are about Him getting His due. Then He gets down to us and honoring our parents being the key to a long life.

So when you go to Leviticus check out the things that ticked Him off more than those abomidable homosexuals. Well, we wouldn't have any sassy kids to kick around anymore. And all those preachers? They'd all died right after their first infidelity. Actually abominating was really far down on his list when it came to the don'ts.

No, I like Theology 101. It's like that coat of many colors Joseph wore, no whole cloth that one, which in it's own way could explain all the jealousy and pettiness in churches today.

Yup, Theology 101, it works when nothing else will when you're trying to explain why your actions are Christlike.

i do julie...i do.

let's her it sister.

preach away! isn't that what you are here for?

jack jett

christy says:

THANK YOU for crafting a picture of how complex sexuality really is.

Do you know how many evangelical Christians would even voice those kinds of inner struggles in a public forum like this, much less to a (mostly) hostile audience? Very few. You're not speaking at a church function - you're facing the firing brigade, and for that, I greatly respect you.

While I'm sure you highly regard your paper's readers, they are not as open minded as they'd like to think they are, if the responses on this page are an accurate cross-section. I'd like to hope that most gave your artcicle a fair shake, considered its content, then respected the words as your own before moving on, whether they agreed with you or not. However, if the egg-throwers would re-read their own posts and the million others just them, they'd see that it's not the evangelical "fundamentalist" Pentecostal writer who's being status quo and small-minded.

What happened to newspapers being forums that stimulate the intellect, that introduce alternative ideas to their readership? Write an opinion piece/essay - in the blog, not even in the Observer itself - and watch readers go ballistic about how now the Observer is a "religion rag." Yeah - as if.

You live your life honestly and are brave enough to share it. You're a unique woman and I appreciate your life experiences and the perspective you've gained from them.

Keep it up. I love the irony of alternative-weekly readers being aghast at life walks and opinions other than their own.

Richard von Busack says:

Here's the reason why supposedly tolerant liberal readers are outraged: we get this anti-gay rhetoric, wrapped up in what's supposed to be concern for lost souls, everywhere else but the alternative press. That's why the alternative press is called "alternative." Julie here has aligned herself with the forces of oppression who run this country and she still wants to consider herself an outsider who is taking a risk. When you're voicing common prejudices--I mean, real common, look how school children throw around the word "gay" as a slur--why are you supposed to get some kind of props for being cutting edge?
I loved Monkey Man's post and feel like any handful of quotes from St. Paul justifying J.'s self-hatred (and her exemption from Jehovah's clearly-written commandments) are just a larger can of worms. The problem is Monkey Man doesn't realize that the law goes farther--everything a menstruating woman touches is unclean, and also has to be purified. It's probably a good idea for readers to boil everything in their house, just to be on the safe side.

Julie Lyons says:

Wait a second...I made clear that I felt attraction for both sexes in my youth. Why is it that so many of y'all have decided for me that my "authentic" sexuality is gay?

Concerning repression: This morning I repressed my desire to sleep in and be lazy all day. I'm thankful that someone else repressed their desire to murder me, if anyone had that desire.

Repression is overrated.

julie

why do you have my legitmate post deleted?

oh, that's right, censorship is a form of christianity.

no one has thoughts of marrying a self entity no matter how starved they are for attention. type bold baby bold.

now, again, please share with us the parts of the bible that is says to promote titty bars, underground vicoden connections, sex ads, and vaginal rejuvination?

as yourself, what would jesus do?
i am asking my self, what would julie do?

emotional s&m is underrated.

btw.....can you pray for me a tank full of gas?

jack jett

Harris says:

Bravo Julie. Good writing, good work. Lifelong lesbian here, and I am 100% fine with this essay. Moved, even. It reminded me of how nuns used to make me cry when I was a kid because they were so much better than I was. Not even tempted to jump on the Julie-Lyons-Is-A-Big-Fat-Closet-Case bandwagon. You had me-- RIGHT UP TO THE LAST LINE.

Come ON. Leave marriage out of it. Please. Gay people's faith and relationships and kids aren't your business, just like your faith and your marriage and your kids aren't my business.

Gay marriage isn't a religious issue-- or at least, it doesn't have to be. It's a civil one. The government is not going to require evangelical Pentecostals or any other stripe of God-fearers to perform gay marriages-- not in Massachusetts, not anywhere. And if they did, I'd be the first to cry foul.

Happy for you, happy for your husband, happy for Jesus, wish you'd all agree that the U.S. government shouldn't have the power to take my (future) kids and interfere with my (someday) family.

Margo C says:

Wonderful. Courageous. Thank you for sharing. I once saw a wedding at a Jesus Festival. The groom was formerly gay, and delivered by the Lord. I wonder if you have ever seen the testimonies and articles at http://www.narth.com. God bless~

yep,
i checked out your site margo/julie.
wow, narth can cure me of my homosexuality.

now ask your self........why would an organization get together just for the sake of changing other people's sexuality? WHY WOULD THEY CARE?
in most cases, it is because they can't deal with their own sexuality. i.e CLOSET CASES.

it does not work. it will never work. people are born gay or straight and the rest is bullshit.

jack jett

S Boralis says:

Uh, Jack, maybe I'm reading you wrong but does "Margo/Julie" suggest you think Margo is Julie in disguise? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. But if not, FYI, Margo is a friend of mine who read a blog entry I wrote about this and who later emailed me to tell me she had left info here about narth. I'd never heard of narth, so I checked it out. Then I showed up here to see what her message said, and I saw your speculation. Margo is not Julie nor has she had any interaction with her. Margo's actual name is, well, Margo.

George says:

Jack,
it's amazing how how angry you are that people have an organization for anything. If you don't feel the need to join, why are you so worried about their existence? If they claim that they had an experience that changed their lives, do you feel that the claims of Muhammad or Buddha should not be believed? Why are you so upset? Sometimes we're upset when we do have a problem.. and never say never. I guess the people who think they are straight and then start a same-sex relationship, or people who think they are gay and then start dating the opposite gender are just full of b******t all along. Don't show your ignorance by cursing to prove a point.

Randy Crawford says:

Someone sent this blog to me. We ae a watchdog group that is search of the most hypocritical sites on the internet today.

I was told that the Managing Editor of this alternative paper is a believer in Pentecostal and frequently brings her views and presents thems as fact.

This is harmfull to childre. It is my understanding that a lady prayed her gay and away and we would like to speak for us at one of our conventions.

Please if you know the girl that hates the gays and is glad she is not one, ask her to email me and I will be back in touch with her. Hypocrites are in huge demand now and you might even be able to become a member of congress.

Randy Crawford.

I read Julies piece again this morning, it's Sunday after all.

Sexual orientation is a complicated issue. I realized just how complicated about fifteen years ago. Our son had came out to us.

He was working with me on a project when we got on the subject of his homosexuality. I thought I had a pretty good argument. I pointed out that he could get just about everything he could get from a man from a woman with a little creative thinking. And he wouldn't have the social implications and ramifications homosexual behavior incurs.

He turned and looked at me.

It was an "Aah Hah!" moment. One of those spaces in time where clarity strikes with well, real clarity.

His look told me something that I've tried to share ever since. I instantly understood that it would be as uncomfortable for him to embrace a woman sexually as it would be for me to embrace a man sexually.

That isn't something you learn. That's something you are.

If it was a choice then everyone would see it as an either or. And I know there are people out there that for them it is true, either or. But for most of us gay or straight, it's not either or, but yes or no. And there's a big difference between the two positions.

Evidently Julie is of the either or group.

I wonder if she'd be less judgemental if she was in the yes or no bunch.

jackejett says:

george/julie

your bullsh*t post speaks for itself. hypocrites get under my skin. what can i say.

jack jett

Chris says:

Julie,

Stunning blog entry. As a Christian who loves reading the Observer both in print and online (cue: opportunity to criticize a Christian for reading a publication with "those ads in back") it was one of the most honest and brave things I've read in the DO, especially considering the context of your alterna-readers. Everything in the DO just stands out more to me than a DMN-type paper. The movie, restaurant, and music reviews are more descriptive and funnier. The feature stories are more captivating and insightful. The entertainment options are more varied. And unfortunately, I guess the blog comments are more acidic. A personal account begets personal attacks. Sarcastically cited verses from Leviticus (the old law, btw), lots of tired "what would Jesus do?" comments (flip-flop: WWJD is a great question...please read the Gospels and Acts and find out what He would do, and did) and focusing on only bits and pieces of your message (good thing poeple don't do that with the Bible...oh, wait) is mostly what I see amongst the comments. But of course, one personal experience can't begin to reveal the depth and breadth of a relationship with Jesus (the easy and the tough) and the expansion--not repression--of real life that follows. That relationship is the key. On His terms, not ours. The lack thereof will hinder anyone from truly understanding what you are trying to relate. But I pray that all will seek it out. Thank you for something so refreshing. So very Dallas Observer.

Chris (Christian, sinner, DO reader)

Double doggone darn! Everywhere else on the web has gone away from HTML in discussions and I've forgotten all I ever knew about it.

Chris said, "please read the Gospels and Acts and find out what He would do, and did) and focusing on only bits and pieces of your message (good thing poeple don't do that with the Bible...oh, wait) is mostly what I see amongst the comments. But of course, one personal experience can't begin to reveal the depth and breadth of a relationship with Jesus (the easy and the tough) and the expansion—not repression—of real life that follows. That relationship is the key. On His terms, not ours. The lack thereof will hinder anyone from truly understanding what you are trying to relate. But I pray that all will seek it out. "

I could repy to this scripturally and point out all the hate in Christ's message. But that's unnecessary because it's so obvious.

I would like to point out that all religions rely upon the same criteria for their faith. It's all about feelings. The faithfull feel and therefore it must be real.

What is interesting about this is the depth of commitment to feelings over reality. Consider the pagans in the Americas, north, central, and south, that sacrificed their children because they had faith that their sacrifice would please a deity.

Compare your own commitment to your faith to that. Could you offer up your child as a sacrifice?

Yeah, I know they also have examples of the same thing in the Bible. But that's different, right?

Elizabeth says:

I've called myself a liberal all my life. And in the last few years, I've realized that the people who call themselves "liberal" are the most intolerant, narrowminded, inflexible, quick to judge and closed-minded, fingerpointing people in the world. That is not what liberalism is. Liberalism is about being opened to possibilities and to people's opinio