After Club Signs Nathan, Moves Neffy to Rotation, Rangers Offer Wilson Arbitration

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My bad. Been meaning to get back in here and post something, anything, of note, and there's been plenty in recent days. And as Josh's Broken Groin notes, it's been way too long. So then, to today's Breaking, or Broken, Rangers News: The club has offered salary arbitration for next season to C.J. Wilson, already considered long-gone after the signing of closer Joe Nathan earlier this week, which heralds Neftali Feliz's move into the starting rotation. John Blake's full note follows, but keep in mind what this means:
With today's offer, the Rangers would be rewarded with the compensation of two additional draft picks in the 2012 MLB First Year Player Draft if Wilson were to decline the offer and sign with another major league club.
Who didn't get arbitration? Well, for that you'll have to jump.
RANGERS OFFER SALARY ARBITRATION TO LHP C.J. WILSON

Arlington, Texas - The Texas Rangers announced today that the club has offered salary arbitration for the 2012 season to left-handed pitcher C.J. Wilson, a Type A ranked free agent.

With today's offer, the Rangers would be rewarded with the compensation of two additional draft picks in the 2012 MLB First Year Player Draft if Wilson were to decline the offer and sign with another major league club.

As a result of the collective bargaining process completed on Tuesday, Texas did not have to offer arbitration to left-handed pitcher Darren Oliver, a Type A player who will be treated as a Type B player. If Oliver should sign with another team, the Rangers will automatically receive compensation.

Texas also did not offer salary arbitration to four other unranked free agents where no compensation applies: LHP Michael Gonzalez, RHP Brandon Webb, catcher Matt Treanor, and outfielder Endy Chavez. Treanor has signed a 2012 contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers.

The deadline for clubs to offer arbitration to ranked free agents in order to be eligible for compensation is 11:00 p.m. CST tonight. Wilson has until 11:00 p.m. CST on Wednesday, December 7 to decide whether to accept or decline the Rangers' offer.

IAN KINSLER TO BE OFFICIAL STARTER AT THURSDAY'S DALLAS TURKEY TROT: Rangers second baseman Ian Kinsler is scheduled to be the official starter for Thursday's Capital One Bank Dallas YMCA Turkey Trot. The annual event, which begins at 9:00 a.m. on Thanksgiving morning at Dallas City Hall, features 5K and 8 mile races and attracts thousands of participants each year.

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Other deals that make sense to me:

1. Perez for Matt Garza (under club control for two more seasons)

2. Perez and Profar for Andrew Bailey (three seasons) and Gio Gonzalez (four seasons)

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Josh's broken records
Josh's broken records

Welp imagine my surprise this morn, waking up to some serious hot stove talk in the Sportatorium. I think Merten is good, turkey day feast is great..hope y'all all have a good good..we're about to load the baby monkees up and hit the road..next stop McKinney! Hope my little longhorns send them Aggs on down the road with a loss, hope that the turkey is moist and the Beera is cold..the pecan and pumpkin pies are plentiful!

cactusflinthead
cactusflinthead

I really don't like the idea of trading the farm for a pitcher or even a pair of pitchers. Number crunching has never been my strong suit. Like the OSB I tend to take a look at the numbers and then go with my gut. JD on the other hand I think pours over a spreadsheet while he is drinking coffee in the morning. I have some confidence that the brain trust over there in Arlington will make some decent decisions about the team. I have not been able to say that in the past. One day I really really want to read a story about the trade that was made at the urinal by Chuckles the Clown. I am ambivalent about Shields, but not about what they are asking. Thanks, but I will pass. Oswalt maybe, but not going to look at him like he is going to ride in here to be like he was a few years ago. Joe Nathan wasn't even on the radar last week. That is the thing about this bunch, they keep finding new ways to surprise us and not in a bad way. Did anybody here think they were going to get Uehara AND Adams or either of them? Not quite ready to give up on Uehara and btw is there a way to translate a tweet? It is sort of neat to see those ideographs on the page, but I would kind of like to understand them in my own language. Well, there is some musing on the early part of TurkeyDay. Time to get in the vehicle and head on to the big feed, well as soon as the women get themselves together and repair the damage of night. 

Storm_71
Storm_71

In response to Sam and hot stove guy I like Shields as well but I hate to give up Profar. Do we think he may be better at short than Andrus do the line. Also how much is Andrus gonna cost once his contract expires? Would he be worth it? I still think he going to get a little better Andrus that is but I think his ceiling is getting close quick. Profar would be great for the Rangers to have in there back pocket.

Sam_Merten
Sam_Merten

As I've maintained since the discussion of Neffy moving into the rotation gained steam last offseason, I don't agree with moving him into the rotation. Simply put, he's established himself as a top closer at just 23 years old, and it's hard to find a club that has recently won it all without a dominant closer.

Feliz has already proven himself as an All-Star reliever. Why mess with that? And who really thinks 37-year-old Joe Nathan would be better than Feliz has been?

With that said, I'm not disappointed with the Nathan signing per se. It's more dough than I would have expected him to nab, but at least it's only a two-year gamble. (It's hard to envision Texas picking up his third-year option for $9 million when he's 39.)

The one thing I do disagree with emphatically is engaging Josh Hamilton in extension talks. It seems like the absolute minimum he'd ask for is five years and $100 million, and while few love Hambone as much as me, that's way too much for a guy who hasn't proven he can stay healthy throughout the season.

Instead, we should be hearing about how close JD is to locking up Mike Napoli beyond this year or how Texas is discussing inking Prince Fielder and letting Hamilton go at the end of the year.

But it's still early in the offseason, and there's plenty of time for JD to pull off the mega-deal I proposed after the World Series: Martin Perez and Jurickson Profar for James Shields and B.J. Upton. Sure, it would be tough to deal the organization's top two prospects, but nobody knows if Perez will become Johan Santana or Bruce Chen, and nobody knows if Profar will be Hanley Ramirez or Ronny Cedeno. 

Imagine what the Rangers could look like next year.

Lineup:

1. Ian Kinser, 2B2. Michael Young, DH3. Josh Hamilton, LF4. Adrian Beltre, 3B5. Prince Fielder, 1B6. Mike Napoli, C7. Nelson Cruz, RF8. B.J. Upton, CF9. Elvis Andrus, SS

Rotation:

1. James Shields2. Derek Holland3. Colby Lewis4. Neftali Feliz5. Alexi Ogando/Matt Harrison

Now that's a championship club if I've ever seen one.

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Kergo 1 Spaceship

Feliz better hope he makes good in the rotation!  He may be renting bikes in a couple of years, if his big gamble doesn't work out.  Pap understands this; and he's cashed in with the Phils. 

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

I think Ceej is long gone. All signs (okay, my personal opinion) point to the Rangers not feeling like he's worth dealing with his annoying ass in the clubhouse for the money and years he thinks he's due. 5 for $80 would be my highest offer. Let someone else regret signing him for more when 2014 rolls around. I really do think it will come out that he's a beating to be around day in, day out.

Will Ian fire the starting pistol straight into the air, toss it angrily, and slump his shoulders tomorrow?

Josh's broken records
Josh's broken records

Thanks Bob, greatly appreciate a new post.

Procedural move on Ceej, he ain't taking arbitration unless he hurts his shoulder high fiving his broskis..and we get two picks..that's JD doing what he do.

Methinks that Nathan is a wonderful thing..Neffy is going to be a starter, writing has been on the wall since Nolan got chere.

We need another bullpenis arm and this thing has been reloaded. Would love to sign Buerle, but figure he'll cost damn near what Ceej is gonna reap (75 for Buerle, 90+ for Ceej).

JD has gone deep undercover in an effort to sign my namesake..the former MVP..if that fails look for Fielder to start getting sniffed.

I think Bob W, Turkeyday and the Hot Freaking stove are good!

Storm_71
Storm_71

I worry about Feliz in the rotation. He is going to have to find a decent change and he needs some drastic work on his cruve. I do like the Nathan move. The money is a little high but the deal is short and he has some upside and from what I hear is a good club house type guy.

So the arbitration to CJ is a smart no brainer move for the Rangers. Once he comes down to earth from what he is asking maybe he signs with the Rangers. JD is not stupid and he is not gonna give CJ near the money he is currently asking. I think if the Angles offer him a sweet new pair of nunchucks and a life time supply of Red Bull he'll jump on that.

Ed D.
Ed D.

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Davy Crockett
Davy Crockett

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ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin

good teagarden trade no?  I like getting a young righty with his k/bb ratio. and lets keep and I on the ptbnl. some of those turn out well

MoronDog
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Sam_Merten
Sam_Merten

Profar is just 18 years old has hasn't played above Class-A. Let that sink in. Now, when exactly do you think he'll be better than Andrus? Three years? Maybe four, when he'll be only 22? Sure, it would be great to have Profar ready when Andrus becomes a free agent at the end of 2014, but the Rangers window to win it all is right now if you hadn't noticed. Barring injuries, Shields and Upton will outperform Profar and Perez for the next three years, not to mention that their talent is proven. Now is not the time to worry about four years down the road.

Profar's a great prospect, but only based on what other people say about him and the hype about his skill set. I'm guessing you haven't seen him play (neither have I, by the way), so wanting to keep him at the risk of improving the team after back-to-back World Series appearances doesn't make a lot of sense. Remember Ruben Mateo? Remember DVD? Chris Davis? The list goes on and on. If you examine the ability of prospects to live up to the hype, I'd guess at least 95 percent of players fail to meet expectations. 

Is Profar part of the coveted 5 percent? Nobody knows. Not you. Not me. Not JD. The odds say he won't be, but even if he is, it's worth it to improve the club over the next few seasons. You wouldn't argue that Texas will be better with 18-year-old Profar and 20-year-old Perez than Upton and Shields next season, would you?

hot stove baseball talker
hot stove baseball talker

I don't think Neffy was all that amazing this past year - he walked about 1 guy per 2 innings, his xFIP was 4.27, and his K/9  rate fell about 1.5 points.   If anything, Feliz's regression from 2010 probably encouraged the front office to go ahead with this move.  I remember a lot of fan grumbling about CJ transitioning to the rotation and that seemed to work out well.  This front office is amongst the best in the game and deserves some benefit of the doubt. 

I'm of the Keith Law opinion that closers can be found and are nowhere near the value of a high quality, innings eating, top of the rotation starter.  Jason Motte wasn't even the Cardinals closer until deep in the 2nd half of the season.  Nathan is a bit of a gutsy signing, but if he stumbles I feel fine with Mike Adams or another option stepping in.

As for trade targets, I think Profar and Perez are way too much to giveup for Shields and Upton.  BJ has never lived up to his billing and is a low OBP hacker.  And Leonys Martin is clearly the future at centerfield after the money he signed for, even if it means some more Borbon/Gentry until he's ready/if he's not ready by spring training.  Shields is coming off a career 2011 season at age 31 that came out of nowhere.  TB will probably ask for a blue chip package, but if there's a starter to go after I'd rather have Matt Cain and think he'd be cheaper anyway.

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

I love you Sam.

My concern with Feliz in the rotation is him only having one pitch. He's got to get his breaking ball down pat and add a third, and I'm not sure he can in a single spring training.

And you're right about Hamilton. Why, exactly, would they be thinking about signing him for longer right now? Have they been talking to Jerry about extending guys too early and want to be like him?

Lee
Lee

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Red Bull is not part of the straightedge lifestyle.

Sam_Merten
Sam_Merten

Not a bad trade necessarily, but I would have preferred dealing Torrealba instead for a greater return. With that said, it's nice to have the best catching combo in baseball.

Sam_Merten
Sam_Merten

First of all, I agree with you (and Law) about the value of top-of-the rotation starters compared to closers. However, I differ when it comes down to proven versus unproven situations.

In other words, if Feliz was coming out of the minors right now with his minor-league track record as a starter, I’d agree that he should be given a shot in the rotation. (Unproven as both.) But because we already know he’s an effective closer (although you disagree), there’s no reason to take a gamble on what he might be as a starter. (Proven as one, not the other.)

Regarding Martin, he obviously isn’t ready yet, as evidenced by the Rangers’ attempt to sign Grady Sizemore to play center field, and there's no reason (at this point) to assume he will be next year.

Yes, Upton’s OBP is low, but he’s an above-average defender, and there are only seven center fielders I’d want ahead of him (Matt Kemp, Jacoby Ellsbury, Curtis Granderson, Andrew McCutchen, Shane Victorino, Peter Bourjos and Adam Jones), and none of those fine gents are available.

As for Shields, given his awful 2010 season, his Cy Young-caliber year was certainly a surprise. However, he had been a very productive and consistent hurler from 2007 to 2009, posting a 37-28 record, 3.85 ERA and 511 strikeouts while tossing nearly 650 innings, and I believe his 2011 season was legit.

He’s no Verlander or Halladay, but Shields is an ace, one of few around. And he’s also signed to a team-friendly contract, as he’ll earn just $7 million next year and has options for ’13 and ’14 for $9 million and $12 million, respectively.

Bottom line: He immediately becomes the Rangers best pitcher, and Texas doesn’t have to break the bank to land him. I hate the idea of dealing the organization's best prospects, but as the saying goes, you gotta give something to get something.

Sam_Merten
Sam_Merten

Love you too, and like you, I'm concerned about Feliz's lack of secondary pitches, not to mention command of his fastball during the course of six or seven innings. 

As for Hambone, it's not a question about signing him long-term too early. It's about entertaining the idea at all.

Even if Hamilton bounces back to win another MVP award next year, his history is just too riddled with assorted injuries, and his past drug abuse could have done significant damage to his body. It's just not worth the risk, especially with Cole Hamels, Matt Cain, Zack Greinke and others set to become free agents as well at the end of next season.

Jason Howard
Jason Howard

 Yes, red bulls is not part of the straightedge lifestyle.

Storm_71
Storm_71

Oh said when he "partys" that his drink of choice. It's cool as long as he gets the Red Bull "lite".

Sam_Merten
Sam_Merten

I'm with you on Cain. In fact, I suggested a Cain-for-Hamilton swap at the end of the World Series. However, the Giants seem motivated to work out an extension for Cain, so I view him as less available than Shields. Either way, I think we both can agree that the best route to improving the rotation is via trade. Much like he was last offseason, Matt Garza would be another intriguing acquisition, and Chicago appears motivated to deal him for the right offer. It will be fascinating to see what move Texas makes next.

hot stove baseball talker
hot stove baseball talker

Fair point on the remaining years of the aces deals.  If Shields can repeat his 2011 next season I will believe, but there's far too much uncertainty in his career to think this is what is expected I feel.  And King Felix will be traded if the Ms get knocked out with an offer, just maybe not this soon.  Profar and Martin are about as great an offer a team will get for any player though. 

I'd much rather go after Matt Cain, a very consistent #2 close to a #1 who would only cost maybe Nelson Cruz, a guy I doubt stays here past 2013 and is due to regress after a hot postseason and good but not great regular season.       

Sam_Merten
Sam_Merten

Lee was a half-season rental, and Halladay and Santana only had one year left on their deals. Shields has three more years left on his contract, and they're quite affordable. Plus, the proposed deal would include Upton as well, so your examples are just not comparable.

And good luck landing King Felix or Kershaw for Profar or Perez. Or anything. Again, simply not good comparisons. 

hot stove baseball talker
hot stove baseball talker

I never said Feliz wasn't an effective closer.  I said he was far from amazing this past season and not near his 2010 level.  I think Mike Adams could fill in similarly or better than Neffy's 2011 if given the chance.  Are the Rangers gambling moving him?  Sure, but they clearly feel it's worth the risk and signing Nathan made them more comfortable (and having Adams around as extra insurance).  And while this is probably an unpopular opinion after his postseason meltdown, I don't think Koji Uehara is worth giving up on either.  I bet he'd get pretty good money on the open market if he was a free agent after the past 2 seasons in Baltimore against some of the toughest competition in the AL East.

A lot of teams were interested in Grady, not just the Rangers.  And it took $5 million and a potential $4 million in incentives for Cleveland to resign him.  Martin may not be ready but it's far from "obvious" that he's nowhere ready, as his .295/.362/.421 line through 3 levels of the minors is far from bad for a guy getting his first taste of pro ball.  He'll comfortably be on top 100 prospect lists leading up to this season.

I like Shields too, just not to giveup the farm for.  Yes, he was a very stable option in the late aughts which made his couple years slide before this elite breakout year all the more puzzling.  I wouldn't trust in this season to the point of giving up 2 potential studs though.  Sure they could be busts, but you can say that about any prospect.  That package is more Kershaw or King Felix worthy than a 31 year old destroying anything previous in his career and with nowhere the pedigree of a true ace  That's the type of value I think a package of Profar and Perez is worth.  It's certainly more than what the Rangers gaveup for Cliff Lee, Philadelphia for Roy Halladay, or the Mets for Johan Santana (at that time the best pitcher in baseball).  

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