A&M to the SEC! Texas as an Independent?! The Big 12 and Texas-OU is Kaput?

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As we speak I'm told University of Texas president Bill Powers and athletic director DeLoss Dodds are planning an informal lunch with state power brokers at Barton Creek Country Club in Austin to discuss the feasibility of the Longhorns becoming a football independent.

Hello, Notre Dame of the South?

The plan goes thusly: With A&M going to the SEC and OU strongly hinting that it's headed for the Pac 12, Texas can either head west or truly secede. Texas will not give up its cherished Longhorn Network, and won't even dowsize to a regional network in order to join a new Pac 16. Since the Pac 12 signed a $3 billion TV contract recently, it only provides for regional, partnered networks such as Arizona-Arizona State, Washington-Washington State and Oregon-Oregon State. A Pac 16 Conference would reduce Texas' Longhorn Network into a regional deal involving Texas and Texas Tech. Also blocking Texas to a Pac 16 is the fact that the Pac 12 is an equally shared revenue outfit. Since Texas is the No. 1 revenue-generator in college sports and none of the current Pac 12 schools are among the Top 15, the Longhorns are balking at the arrangement.

In other words, no deal.

Being put on the table to dissect as feasible: Texas becoming an Independent in football and competing the Big East, or perhaps the ACC, in all other sports.

Of course Baylor, being Baptist and all, might attempt to cock-block this divorce/orgy.

While the Southeastern Conference is ready to accept Texas A&M, it won't do it without baggage. And Baylor has so far been slow to consent to allow the Aggies to leave the Big 12 without litigation, in the form of a breach of contract stemming from the Big 12 magna carte that was just signed to keep the conference alive and viable in June 2010.

With the Aggies going east and OU west, the Bears would be left in the middle to play ... Sul Ross?

Apparently A&M planned a press conference and a big party in College Station this afternoon before Baylor intervened with a -- channeling Lee Corso -- not so fast, my friend!

Couple things from this shake-up:

*The Big 12 is all but dead.

*The annual Texas-Texas A&M Thanksgiving game is kaput as well.

*Texas-OU at the Cotton Bowl -- or at all -- is in serious peril. Said Sooners coach Bob Stoops on Tuesday:

"I don't think it's necessary (to keep playing Texas). No one wants to hear that. But life changes. If it changes, you have to change with it, to whatever degree."

You can't spell ouch without OU.

To be continued ...

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minimark
minimark

This will be settled, or not - but if you read between the lines, like I have as a concerned Tech Alum, this is what I take from it after today:

UT and OU have nothing to worry about (duh!). OSU too, probably, but:

I think the Big 12 schools that feel the most threatened (Baylor, ISU, and KSU) might be after compensation – read Beebe's (the so-called commissioner's) comments from yesterday – he implies that teams have made commitments to facility improvements due to the new TV contract, and will be financially impaired by the lack of funds due to the loss of the TV contract should the conference implode. Those are financial concerns. Read: settlement. Tech, OSU (probably tied to OU regardless, but better to be safe than sorry), Kansas, and Mizzou just want to make sure they have a place to land. Both the compensation for the have-nots and landing issues for the others will have to be settled at the same time before any school signs a waiver – i.e. when A&M gets their acceptance into the SEC, Baylor and the "have nots" will get their money and the "worried" schools will have a place to land in an AQ conference. MARK IT!

cactusflinthead
cactusflinthead

I don't blame the Baptists one bit. Let's not forget that they are not alone in not signing the waivers the SEC so eagerly desires. As of the last reckoning, everybody but UT and OU has said, "FU, we ain't signing shit." If that spoils the aggies party, tough. Take it to court and see what happens. The aggs thought they were just gonna waltz on over to the SEC with no strings attached. Good luck with all that. Petulant or bitchy or whiny, doesn't matter. They and KState and the Jayhawkers and all the rest of the schools have every right to exercise whatever recourse that they have available. I don't think Dodds is scrambling around, but rather waiting to see where it all settles at the end of each day. Seems like it changes every damn day. I expect that 300 mill is not spent and if they had to cough it up and give it back to the damnyankee network and re-form some regional network with the sand aggies or whoever else wants in on the action, perhaps with the same damnyankee network, perhaps some other network,...well DeLoss is no dummy. As far as recruiting is concerned Aggie has always had the same starting money for facilities that Texas has had. It all comes out of the same fund. Aggie didn't want in on the network deal. Then they did. Typical. If you are a big time recruit, do you want to spend your time in Austin or College Station? Only three things to do in Malfunction Junction: drink, fuck and fight. And that my friends is a quote from a graduate of that fine institution. If I am used to Big D or Htown, going to College Station is not unlike being sentenced to move to Odessa. It really is an East Texas farm town with a great big uni. Austin speaks for itself. It needs no explanation. There is always the risk of ending up naked and incoherent in the backyard of some chick,*see Edwin Simmons, but most of them don't end up that way. Well, there is the occasional backpack fulla weed or the random pistol found at the wrong time, but that has happened elsewhere as well. I really don't care where Texas goes or if they manage to cobble together this dysfunctional conference for a few more years. I would like to think that Texas/OU will still exist in the far-off future, but I have to agree with at least the concept that Stoops presented. Shit happens and life goes on. There are no guarantees in this life. 

Mike6216
Mike6216

The other nine schools are starting to act on their own because they know that the Big 12 is a dead man walking. 

This is not going to be pretty, but it is the inevitable result of a series of bad choices:  the choice that the SWC was unsalvageable (a notion that was largely fomented by the Dallas press), the belief that the Big 12 could be better without addressing the noncompetitive biases in the Big 12 set-up, ignoring the wake-up call issued by Colorado and Nebraska when they departed a year ago, and finally, the notion that Texas A&M or Baylor or UT are now solely to blame.  A conference that cannot thrive with a stable that included Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State and the others is a conference whose basic structure was fatally flawed from the start. 

Good luck to everybody.  The teams and coaches will do a great job on the field this year, as always.  But the administrators and regents of all of the Big 12 schools should be very ashamed.

As Bad As Baylor
As Bad As Baylor

Whitt's writing skills = Baylor's football skills.

And don't you dare point to that win over TCU -- take a look at the Bear Big 12 record.

Sturms_Bloody_Rectum
Sturms_Bloody_Rectum

Who's Yoko in the big scheme of things?

Damn you, you're braking up the band Yoko.

Sturms_Bloody_Rectum
Sturms_Bloody_Rectum

I see the Commish Bebee has been busy trying to save his job........

Bebee, "Hey Baylor, file a injucntion on A&M leaving the Big12. Remember without the Big12, you'll be playing in the Mountain West, Conf.USA, etc"Baylor, "OK, but I need assurance of other schools, with weaker programs, to add their names to the list, just to cover the stink"Bebee, "Done" 

Sybils_Beaver
Sybils_Beaver

What good is a 300 million dollar TV contract if no one sees it, its about as good as me to a gay guy.  ESPN, will have that thing voided b4 christmas at this rate.

linefourguy
linefourguy

I'm sure Mack is all for going the independent route, since he has amassed a whopping 2 Big 12 championships in 13 years.  How do you win the mythical recruiting championsip every year and only have 2 conference championships to show for it?  How many conference championships did he have at UNC, Tulane & Appalachian State?  If you guessed zero you'd be right. Good guy, great recruiter, lousy coach.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin

And this is why I hate college football, GAG ME, a few big teams ruin it for everyone else.  UT is at the root of this stemming all the way back to last year.  my team will land in a decent conference bc of it s basketball program but It will suck losing all my rivalry games that have been had over the years.  NU was gone this year, KState Mizzou may be gone next , it really is a shame, college is no longer about an edumacation, its all about the dollar!  and the dollar will ruin this sport, this country and this world

Sturms_Bloody_Rectum
Sturms_Bloody_Rectum

More leeway needed:

A recruit is given the option of A&M(SEC) versus going to Texas(Pac?/Independent). Texas is a big bad boy playing all over, or playing for A&M, in the best conference, and giving his family a chance to travel to any out of town games. From a family stand point, the recruit would pick A&M. A&M would grow in picking off some 4-5star recruits that Texas would otherwise have signed.

752xx
752xx

don't have a dog in this fight but loved the Sul Ross reference. go Lobos!

DaveU
DaveU

Texas always over playing their hand. They can't play well with others, will be great to watch them fail as an independent. Good luck with that schedule and finding a landing spot for your other sports UT.

Sturms_Bloody_Rectum
Sturms_Bloody_Rectum

With some leeway:

SEC West: OU, OSU, Missouri, A&M, Arkansas, LSU

SEC East: Fla, Georgia, Tenn, South Carl., Kentucky, Vandy

and split up the remaining, without pulling out a map, Ole Miss, Miss St., Auburn, Alabama

Please sweet baby jeebus make this happen. NFL light on Saturday's.

mightcan
mightcan

"Why does Baylor always play the part of bitter little bitch?"

Baylor is headed by Ken Starr.

Josh's broken records
Josh's broken records

Broken take on all things Longhorn:

I don't care if we go with OU, OSU, and Tech to the Pac 12 or go independant...just do something and be done with it.  BTW, Pac 12's commish has puffed his chest out about the TLN..but they'll take it like RW does, to get U of T out there to the west coast.

Now a little blurb about real things, this season:

Far from a dominating effort against the night birds from Houston last Saturday.

Frosh phenom Malcom Brown led the Horns with 86 yd on 16 carries, all in the 2nd half.

Gilbert completed just over 50% of his attempts (13/23) with 1 td and no int's.

Don't look now but there's another Shipley on the 40 acres, his name is Jaxon and he is awesome.

Gilbert, Case McCoy, Jaxon, Ash and Fozzy all lined up under center atleast once Saturday night..and that kind of razzle dazzle gets a Hell Yeah for new OC Bryan Harsin..and good riddance to Greg Davis.

Although the final score (34-9) wasn't close, it was a very close game til about half way through the 3rd quarter..all in all it was a much needed home win for a squad that only won 2 home games last year.  This week, the football playing Mormons come to DKR, and it will be a chance to see the Horns against a very solid running attack.

This weeks game will be broadcasted to all of the Longhorn nation and Scott's merkin.

Stholeary
Stholeary

Why is the Texas/Texas A&M game dead? A lot of SEC schools play non-conference games over Thanksgiving (Florida, Georgia, South Carolina) 

Torrey
Torrey

For most of the history of the Texas-OU game, the two schools were in different conferences...let's not pretend the Big 12 has any kind of tradition or substantive, ancestral, historical significance. Remember that it grew out of the former Bight Eight (which was really OU, Nebraska, and six step-sisters) and the former Southwest Conference minus anyone Baylor thought might bully them on the playground (see: TCU, SMU, Rice, Houston). In any case, there's no reason the Texas-OU games should be in jeopardy...especially if Texas goes Indy. 

The real story here is Baylor being a petulant bitch yet again. They are as insignificant as the toilet paper I flushed this morning.

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

Why does Baylor always play the part of bitter little bitch?

You're a smallish, private school that's been tagging along with the big dogs for years. But sorry, you're not a power when it comes to football. Get over yourselves and accept that Conference USA may be your fate.

Davy Crockett
Davy Crockett

Does anybody really and truly think Texas and OU won't play every year?

D1P1
D1P1

The Longhorn network has shown its one (1) football game for the year.  Now what?  Sounds like a lot of tennis, swimming, volleyball, gymnastics, and basketball games with a division II school are to come.

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

ESPN won't admit failure on a project that quickly. ESPN 3D draws worse than Rage, which is very difficult to do that poorly, and they insist they'll keep it rolling.

DeeGee
DeeGee

Mack may not be the best X and O's coach but he has hired good coordinators, given them the reigns and runs a clean program, and is a great recruiter.  As a head coach that really is the most important role.  If you had a 5* football player son and looking to trust a coach with your most precious asset, you could do a whole lot worse than Mack!

Deegee
Deegee

Correction,A recruit is given the option of playing for A&M and the prospect of having to watch closeted milkmen jumping up and down on the sideline during the games, while traveling through the arm pit of America versus going to the state's flagship university and witnessing pretty ladies "romancing each other" and multiple trips to Cali... go west young man!

TheRealDirtyP1
TheRealDirtyP1

Stop wasting your time on OU to the SEC and instead create your Pac-10 divisions.

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

Going geography alone would put Bama and Auburn in the East and the Miss teams in the West. That's one hell of a strong conference no matter how you slice it.

TheRealDirtyP1
TheRealDirtyP1

I'd rather see Fozzin' it up 75% from the wildcat than Gilbert throwing picks or completing 50% of his passes. His chain is short this year, and for good reason. Methinks Mack looks to his left at Major Applewhite and the regret of playing a Blue chipper over a winner and the hell he took for that.Gilbert has had two years to get acclimated and I don't see his arrow pointing up right now. With the weapons Texas has, no reason this thing shouldnt go 8-4 at worst, 10-2 at best. I don't see them beating OU, and can forsee losses to Ok St., A&M, and possibly Baylor if they don't shore up stopping the run up the middle.

Rooster
Rooster

Things are different now. 

Unless AD's make Texas/OU do it for the money, it's tough to talk schools into scheduling a non-conference game that isn't a patsy.  Yes, it happens, but it's definitely not preferable to schools looking to protect their national ranking.

Kevin Hough
Kevin Hough

Can you say Christian Elitism ? That's all I can see that comes out of Baylor.

D1P1
D1P1

Baylor never belonged in with the other Big 12 schools in the fist place.  The only reason was that Anne Richards, a Baylor alum, was governor of Texas when the Big 12 was formed and politics forced them to take Baylor.  Like taking your hot girlfriend's fat friend along on a date.  Baylor couldn't cut it if they had to stand on its own merits.  Baylor alums won't like hearing this but the truth hurts.

Rooster
Rooster

Baylor should have been in C-USA anyway, along with the other other small alumni private schools (SMU, TCU).  The only reason they were in the Big 12 to begin with , is Ann Richards (Governor of Texas/Baylor alum) looked at Texas/A&M/Tech and said, "You can't go outside and play unless you take your little brother with you."

Bill Lumbergh
Bill Lumbergh

Depends on how desperate OU gets when it comes to hosting non-conference home games. They may not have many open slots for beating up on Tulsa for easy cash and they may not want to squander what opportunities they do have.

Bastion of truth
Bastion of truth

they may have shown their one (1) game, but how many people saw it?  when less than 1/100th of the available TV's in TX can even get the network youve got problems.

linefourguy
linefourguy

I tuned into a college football recruitment show on ESPNU last Friday evening.  First 15 minutes was an in depth review of UT recruiting, including the high school footage the NCAA prohibited them from showing on the TLN.  The next 45 minutes were spent on the rest of the country with no more than a couple minutes coverage per institution.  Just a ridiculous run around of the rules by ESPN.

linefourguy
linefourguy

DeeGee, Great point. I mis-stated when I said Mack is a good guy, I agree with you, I think he is a great guy.  I guess the next step is to question his ability to pick coordinators?  All I know is he keeps getting the cream of the crop in recruits and has very little to show for it.  His fault, not his fault, I don't know.  He has been a D1 head coach for 28 years and has 2 conference championships to show for it.  If I had a son who was a 5 star recruit would I let him play for Mack, absolutely!  Could I convince my 5 star son that he will win conference championships under Mack?  He can look up the facts as easily as I can.

PoorTSips
PoorTSips

Correction,A recruit is given the option of A&M(SEC) versus going to Texas(Pac?/Independent). Texas is a school that gets top-rated recruits but is now for some reason underachieving in the bottom tier of their conference and now must desparately try to gain an edge with the Longhorn Network being broadcast to maybe 2% of the country, or playing for A&M, in the best conference with a coach that gets the best out of his players, and gives his family a chance to travel to any out of town games. From a family stand point, the recruit would pick A&M. A&M would grow in picking off some 4-5star recruits that Texas would otherwise have signed.

Sturms_Bloody_Rectum
Sturms_Bloody_Rectum

I don't have a dog in this hunt, just dreaming.

Pac South: Texas, Tech, OU, OSU, Ariz, ASU, USC and UCLA.Pac North: Stanford, Cal, Colorado, Utah, Org. St., Oregon, Wash, and The powerhouse of Wash St.

Or east/west combo of USC, UCLA, Colorado, and Utah being interchageable.

Sturms_Bloody_Rectum
Sturms_Bloody_Rectum

But where are the schools located as far as north to south. That's what I didn't look at, would Kentucky, Tenn, Vandy be closer as options?

Josh's broken records
Josh's broken records

If'n we're gonna go all wild-horn all the time, look out for Ash from Belton...He good. 

Although Gilbert hasn't been the least bit impressive, he did have the longest run for the Horns against Rice.

I would expect to see alot of Case and Ash, atleast til we get to conference play.

Already have a man crush on Harsin.

I can't see how they can do better than 8-4 as well, probably more like 6-6 again..BYU and @UCLA will determine what the what.

TheRealDirtyP1
TheRealDirtyP1

Gagreed. That's why what Stoops said, is ominous. Notre Dame keeps that game, because well, it's their marquee game of the year. Methinks OU and Texas would rather play Rice or Tulsa on that non conference than each other.

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

Very true. Baylor always wants to threaten to take their ball and go home, except it's not their ball and it's not their home either.

TheRealDirtyP1
TheRealDirtyP1

Agreed. I see it more as a money play, and partially to get back at A&M for stealing their precious Bear.

I don't know why Baylor is being called a little bitch, A&M is the one breaking the contract, the one that pays them millions per year to be part of the conference. With A&M leaving, that hampers Baylor's yearly take as the Big 12 will fold eventually. I'm no lawyer, but A&M leaving will cost Baylor what, 10+ million a year?

DeeGee
DeeGee

Correction,A recruit is given the option of playing for A&M, which annual (or anally) gets stomped by LSU, Alabama, Auburn, etc and has a record of 6+ losses year in year out, thus never noticed by NFL scouts or up for any major awards (but hey you can chant SEC at the end of every game and eat at a waffle house!) or go to Texas (Pac?/Independent) in one of the best cities in America, win 10+ every year, play and win multiple BCS bowls and a good shot at a National Championship, play for a team that has more active  NFL players than any other team in the USA, and coached by one of the most respected, non-cheating coaches in CF..... again go west young man!

D1P1
D1P1

Too much power would be in the south - the north would be the lessor half like in the Big 12.  East/west would be more likely.

Josh's broken records
Josh's broken records

Everything I've seen is that the Pac16 would be east/west..which I would be all for.  Doing good collegiate football work today sir, keep it up.

cactusflinthead
cactusflinthead

Only one problem with the SEC being split North and South; nobody wants to be the North. Seems that word is somewhat stigmatized after 1865 over in that part of the country. 

TheRealDirtyP1
TheRealDirtyP1

Wait, I was told that Garrett Gilbert was going to be everything VY and Colt weren't, pocket passers. And he's running, what the what? You know what, I WANT him to run. That way if he gets knocked out, we'll get a chance to see what's behind him and maybe him getting knocked around will toughen him up. If'n he didn't run against Nebraska last year, they don't win.Well, Mack probably sees them going 10-2. If he thought the way we do, Gilbert would probably be sent packing. He could be the next Jevan Snead, and still has his redshirt to burn, soooooooo.... 

TheRealDirtyP1
TheRealDirtyP1

so let me get this straight. When there were talks about Texas leaving, it was a given that A&M would go with them. Perry would invoke some BS about keeping them together or somesuch. So now that A&M leaves on its own, no big deal. Texas offered A&M a stake in TLN, A&M turns it down, but it's Texas' fault..what the what??? A&M gets pissed about TLN showing high school games when they would have had just as much exposure. There will be a book written about this someday, hopefully by someone unbiased from either side.

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

"Don't Mess with Texas Football" is why. Their stunt last year trying to get the state legislature involved is also why. They're kinda like Richie: passive-aggressively overstating their value and worth when they're really lucky to be along for the ride.

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