Why It Sucks to Be a Woman Who Raves

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Thanks for nothing.

As a self-respecting female with professional aspirations and a desire to be taken seriously as an individual, it's become increasingly difficult to identify with American electronic dance music culture without feeling kind of irresponsible.

By Kat Bein

Six or seven years ago, the playing field was pretty even. We went out to parties, we dressed as if David Bowie and Karen O had a baby, we got drunk on whiskey, we danced and we were never embarrassed by our surroundings.

But things have changed. What started out as fun, rowdy party tricks have been fully incorporated into the scene as sexist expectations. That which was once ironic parody has become a parody of itself. We no longer look around the dance floor and see a utopia of acceptance.

Yes, this party is sexist. Here's why.

Bodies as Billboards
Sticker wars are one of the most enjoyable parts of the EDM game. It's exciting to be out in the world and find a sticker of a DJ/producer you enjoy, or a blog you read regularly, or even the sticker of a personal friend stuck onto a garbage can or a light pole or the side of a bar. It's like walking into an inside joke. But somewhere along the way, someone put a sticker on a woman's bare ass and had a million-dollar idea. Suddenly, stickers as pasties became the latest thing every DJ needed on their FB profile. Now it's sadly more an expectation than a shocking sign of good times. We shouldn't have to remind every asshole we meet with a sticker not to put it on our tits without asking, but we do.

Face Down, Ass Up
Listen, Diplo. I'm glad you helped introduce the world to NOLA bounce, twerking, daggering and the like. You and Eric Wareheim definitely killed it with that "Pon De Floor" video. Shit is classic. But now that Miley has completely murdered the neo-swing art form and turned it into modern, misunderstood exploitative garbage, we need to make it stop. News flash: Strippers aren't role models. The idea that a woman has nothing but her sexuality to rely on as a moneymaker is disgusting, outdated and depressing. When executed properly, twerking and daggering are impressive, but when you're submitting pictures of yourself half-naked upside down on things just because everyone else is doing it, you're officially an attention-deprived moron.



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heath.john.ward
heath.john.ward

raves are so much different nowadays. they were a lot more fun and much more true to the music back in the good old days...the late 1990's. very few people were intoxicated from alcohol. actually, most of the parties were dry. alcohol turns most men into shitheads and most girls into floozies...which is why it was frowned upon. the raves used to be an engagement of music and peace. many people would roll or take acid or do both, which was called candy-flipping. lots of people took oxy, lots of people ripped coke. but whatever was our poison of choice, we all got along with each other and were kind to one another. there was no dooshbaggery and there weren't half-naked women. it is really sad how these fantastic parties have evolved into what they are now. the women are starving for attention, and the men are total geeks. half of the people at the parties now don't even like the music. they are there because it is the cool thing to do. and the music...that is an entirely separate topic. the music is so different now, but i guess that is just because music styles evolve rather quickly. but i was convinced that trance and jungle and acid house would never evolve.

i wish they wouldn't have.

pantytwist
pantytwist

Oh, glad to see rape culture is still alive and well...

HipsterDumpster
HipsterDumpster

So if you dress and act like a whore and hang out with douche bags who like shitty music you get treated bad?  Get me to a punk rock show now, where women know how to behave and get respect and scum get dealed with properly.

theeabbster
theeabbster

I can respect different views because I’ve always believed in “different strokes for different folks” but this article is very contradicting. The writer claims “Feminism is about being able to be yourself. If your true self is being half-naked, drunk and proud of it, by all means, do you, boo.” That quote alone killed the whole point of the argument that EDM culture is just a bunch of sexists and trashy girls. They’re just doing them, right? I think this article is not seeing the bigger picture. This stuff never really bothered me and yes I am a girl who raves. And no, I don’t wear pasties or any of what the author claims to be “slutty and trashy”.I actually go to festivals in warm onesies FULLY clothed. I go for the music, the performances, the people, and yes to look at some creative outfits. This article points at the girls who just don’t care and that’s completely fine..but that’s maybe a SMALL portion of what EDM and the scene is all about.The author is completely missing the point of the scene. We go to rave and have a good time. Not to “get ratchet”. As far as I’m concerned, these kinds of disrespectful videos towards women have been around for ages, not just now. It’s 2013 almost 2014 and sex sales. @lightsallnight #followthelights

get2dakitchen
get2dakitchen

how did you make this article? you have a laptop in your kitchen?

discjockeynappy
discjockeynappy

Hi.  I'm from Do Androids Dance.  We have women on staff, and included no women in our list.  We also have minorities on staff (including EIC and myself) and included no minorities on that list.  You can look at our list and call us sexist (or racist), or you can look at it as an eye-opener as to how one-sided success stories are in this industry.  We're quite cool with a thirsty slam, though.  Appreciate the read.  

jessie
jessie

I have no affinity nor respect for wasted females any more than I have an affinity or respect for wasted males. Sober up and act like a decent human being instead of screaming/grunting/whatever and gyrating with painfully repetitive 2 chord songs and perhaps I'll think of you as worth my time. It's not sexist to think that half-naked idiots drowning themselves in liquor are not people I want to be around. 

fr0st972
fr0st972

I'll keep this short and sweet. I'm pro-choice and all for women's rights but I detest this brand of misguided feminism; the kind that insists on equality, freedom of expression, and women's right to choose but that comes in with a kind of condescending paternalism, as if women don't know what's good for them. 

That being said, the culture at these shows is about aforementioned freedom of choice, expression. For both sexes. It's non-discriminatory (unlike the author, apparently).

Sidebar: Of COURSE women never objectify men. Magic Mike was about the story, not Channing Tatum and Matthew McConaughey.
"What happened to modesty, humility and leaving something to the imagination?"

Obviously this author doesn't #FollowTheLights but maybe she should. Perhaps an experience at @LightsAllNight would do her some good.

drgomez
drgomez

The author stated repeatedly that the problem is NOT that these things are done but that they are expected. I did not see one person who "disagreed" who even addressed that. It's a beautiful thing to feel free enough to walk around naked, and its not fear of judgement that infringes upon it, but rather, having to deal with douchebags who treat it as if it has more to do with their freedom than yours. It disturbs me when people read something like this and COMPLETELY miss the point. Furthermore, when did we start blindly accusing people of being judgemental everytime someone criticizes the status quo? That shit is seriously stunting our evolution.

thejoshnutter
thejoshnutter

This was not a well written article. It sounds like it was written by a power hungry feminist.  It takes rare themes that are pervasive throughout American culture, not just the electronic movement.  My opinion is that we never force people to act like this.  Females dress up for raves on their own accord.  No one makes them do it.  The electronic movement is about freedom and evoking positive euphoric feelings.  Don't judge the culture when people are not forced to conform.  @LightsAllNight #FollowtheLights

slimit09
slimit09

You are no one better then anyone here. You are classified as a human. And its people like you who exploit Music festivals to be some drug overdosing sex party. Because all you see is wrong in YOUR eyes. Let the girl who wants to dress provactive dress provactive. Let the person next to you dance the way they want to, they are not you you are not them. Don't worry about their image. Worry about yours. These festivals change people's lives. Music is what brings people together. It's the key to peace. And you judging someones behaviors does not make you better nor does it promote peace. Ot promotes hate. In fact it be littles your character. Music is music. Theres no right or wrong its an art. And you don't know why people do what they do and thats ok. It's not for you to understand. This article was complete crap. And Dallas does not deserve this. One person critizing others... means nothing to the world. And to judge an artist choice in production of sound, homegirl they're more well known then you. Then me so kt wouldnt matter to them what you think. If we all learned to worry about ourselves this earth would be so much happier.

slimit09
slimit09

You are no one better then anyone here. You are classified as a human. And its people like you who exploit nusic festivals to be some drug overdosing sex party. Because all you see is wrong in YOUR eyes. Let the girl who wants to dress provactive dress provactive. Let the person next to you dance the way they want to, they are not you you are not them. Don't worry about their image. Worry about yours. These festivals change people lifes. Music a what brings people together. It's the key to peace. And you judging someones behaviors does not make you better. In fact it be littles your character. Music is music. Theres no right or wrong its an art. And you don't know why people do what they do and thats ok. It's not for you to understand. This article was complete crap. And Dallas does not deserve this. One person critizing others... means nothing to the world.

abbysdabomb
abbysdabomb

I'm happy that this article was posted.

mitchmauldin
mitchmauldin

As many others below have mentioned, this is a TERRIBLE article. Our #EDM lifestyle is by choice and by no means intends to demoralize women in any way, shape or form. I encourage the writer of this article to do some more research and engage himself better in the lifestyle if he wants to truly understand what it means. @lightsallnight #followthelights

mnsetra
mnsetra

Wow this has got to be the stupidest article I have ever read.  I can sum it up in four words: Your Argument Is Invalid.  At every turn of the page there seems to be one contradiction after another.  If feminism is about being able to express yourself then what is it to you.  Seems like all you are trying to do is shove your shoddy ideals down peoples throats that have no direct implication in your life.  If someone wants to go out on the weekends and express themselves then it should be none of your business.  If you keep treating yourself and women as inferior to men then thats what we all shall become and remain.  Stop making excuses for why you have troubles in your professional life in being taken seriously.   Seems to me like you have some sort of underlying issues with not being taken seriously in your professional life because of things you may have done in your personal life and now regret. @followthelights @lightsallnight #followthelights

kayblackwood1
kayblackwood1

I can see the points you are trying to make, but I feel like you're lumping everyone in the rave scene into one category. Not everyone dresses up "slutty", not everyone twerks, yeah there's some girls that will put up scandalous pictures, but whats it matter to you? No one's forcing you to look or do it yourself? Its the MEDIA who makes raves look bad, they highlight the provocative outfits, the loud banging music and the drug use. But hardly anyone gets to see the close knit families that are made, how much everyone cares about helping a random stranger and for those who have never gone to a rave or a festival, they haven't felt what it's like to feel like everyone that surrounds you is just a friend you haven't met yet. As for the Miley Cyrus comment yeah she took something that came from EDM music and pretty much ruined it, but that didn't happen in the EDM scene. She's hip-hop or whatever u want to call her style of music and that shouldn't be turned around on raves. That's her own fault and raves shouldn't be in any part of that blame. Personally before I got into raving I was really down about life and came to a point where I didn't feel like life was worth it, but then I met my best friend who took me to a rave and showed me a whole new group of friends who slowly became like a family and put the life back into me. No matter how cheesy it sounds, EDM saved my life. No matter the down sides to the scene, I will forever love it because it saved my life. @LightsAllNight #followthelights

CandyQueen
CandyQueen

I love and appreciate this article.  I starting raving when I was 18, and I am now 35.  When I first started, it was all about bright colors and big pants.  Sure they had skimpy outfits then too, but nothing like today.  Raving used to be all about friendship and love.  Now it seems it's turned into more of a sex game.  I have heard guys say they go just to see the half naked women.  Thanks, ladies!  Frankly, I still go for the music and the amazing energy and love of the people.  Believe it or not, you can still find that these days.  I say, good for those women who want to strut their hot bodies.  It's personally not my preference.  I would prefer to be in comfortable clothing.  But that's just me.  Sex sells, and it's been that way for a long time.  But we don't have to allow the awesome rave scene to sell out to sex.  It needs to remain what is has always been about -  Peace, Love, Unity and Respect.  I say we take it back to the old school, where it was so cool, and start loving each other for who we are, not for the least amount of clothes we wear. 

kimipooluvsu23
kimipooluvsu23

I disagree with this article and here is why. The festivals I have been to I have seen more interesting and creative costumes than just small spandex shorts and glitter tits. I think that this article is being too critical and that is not what a festival or EDM is about. It is about the exact opposite of that. Enjoying each other, accepting each other, and for a few hours while we dance we forget about everything negative. It is a cleansing for us to say the least. The women who dress up with little clothing and love to dance they know what they are doing when they go out and I would hope they would know how to protect themselves should a man decide to be grabby and those women have had more fun in one night than most of the people who agree with this article will in their whole life. These people have great confidence and love what they do. Once in awhile we get to dress up in amazing clothes and pretend we are animals or cartoon characters. The boundaries are endless for us. Our society as a whole needs to stop judging and just accept people for the way they are. @lightsallnight #followthelights

gosiakuras
gosiakuras

I can understand why certain points are brought up throughout this article but overall I disagree. It's the way people over analyze everything about this scene that has started to deteriorate every aspect of it.. the fact that the dallas observer focuses more on sexism than the organization of most of these events disgusts me. Most of the girls that go to these events are old enough [not necessarily smart enough unfortunately] to do what they want. Sure, it seems to have purely fallen into a trend, but if a girl wants to wear pasties, dance in the sunlight, and get hit on by meatheads, that's her decision obviously. I think something that needs to be addressed more properly is the fact that these events highly increase the prices of water, as high as 10$, when these event producers SHOULD be smart enough to know most of these kids are going to be doped up on drugs, waiting to be fed water, but cant manage to pull that kind of money out. 

WHO CARES ABOUT WHO'S WEARING WHAT THIS ISN'T A FASHION SHOW, IT'S ABOUT THE MUSIC!!

@lightsallnight #followthelights

Sirgrots12
Sirgrots12

I disagree with this article. @lightsallnight #followthelights

peggybruner
peggybruner

I think there are important ideas to be discussed brought up in the article; particularly that there is some pressure to have a certain look and the potential lack of originality and expression that being virtually naked facilitates.  However, being a woman who raves is awesome.  Whether or not you dress modestly, can twerk, are there for attention or for the experience, the EDM culture will respect and accept you for whoever you are.  Girls aren't the only forces of the culture pushing the boundaries of what we find attractive, either; events use their performers and theme to open their audiences' minds to what we think is beautiful, or sexy.  To say that EDM is another genre selling sex and designer drugs is a superficial interpretation of what the culture is truly trying to achieve.  @lightsallnight  #followthelights

caitlinaamodt
caitlinaamodt

I think anyone who has been in the scene for a significant amount of time will know what the author is talking about.  This article is really similar to the one that quoted the highly esteemed Reid Speed on how things have changed and how it feels like people are trying too hard now that EDM is more mainstream.  http://www.buzzfeed.com/amyodell/how-did-people-at-music-festivals-get-so-naked PLUR has always meant respecting the concerns of the community, so props for speaking up.  @lightsallnight  #followthelights

littledustyone
littledustyone

For a commentary writer to tell me, a complete lady-stranger, that I can never be a role model because of my occupation or because of how I want to make statements with my body and at the same time say that they are trying to stop sexism in EDM culture.... Really? That makes you a douche.

drewkrn
drewkrn

when it all boils down to it... THE MUSIC IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS. and if that music takes you to a higher level of self confidence, it should be embraced. not frowned upon. @lightsallnight  #followthelights

drewkrn
drewkrn

 While i respect the editors opinion of the "scene", I can't say i honestly know even one person who agree's with it. The main thing you seem to be against is the exploitation of women. Nobody is forcing these girls to have "sticker tits"... nobody is forcing them to "twerk" and dance seductively. I'd like to say that dance music isn't about doing traditional dance moves. Dance music, is a way to express your individualism. as an outsider who is ignorant to the true aspirations and appeals of Dance music, i can understand how you can feel this way... but if you were to really do some research and interview true dance music enthusiasts, i think you may get a small glimpse of reality. Women in this "scene" love to feel and dress sexy. they love to dance and they use their bodies as a canvas for art. whether it's a pastie on their breasts, or paint on their face, a mask, high heels, or their physical dance moves, they are there to express themselves. you also need to do some research on the genres of dance music. while most dub step/ trap/ and dub hop tracks do encourage a seductive style of dance, not all genre's are so straitforward. Take trance or minimal for example... they are mush more melodic tunes with a very very different style of people and dance moves. not all are seductuve or even sexy. they are about moving however the music makes them feel. You are trying to compare apples to oranges when you show a video from dillon francis or diplo as opposed to an above & beyond track's music video. sure some of it is a little grimy and maybe even inappropriate.... but so are movies. and nobody is pointing the finger at the film industry. You mentioned that there are only 5 female DJ's listen in the polls... i think they are being too generous. The DJ and dance music production industry is extremely cutthroat. Now more so then ever... and there simply hasn't been that many female DJ's to break through as extreme talents. Gina turner and sydney blu have emerged as heavyweights in the DJ game recently, but the amount of quality work they have released does not compare to the years and YEARS of quality production that armin van buuren or markus schulz has put out.... The DJ mag polls have been around for years and the dance music culture has only recently (past 3 years) exploded to include quality mainstream tracks from women. Nobody has ever claimed that there aren't quality female producers out there... they are just still waiting to be discovered... along with millions of other aspiring musicians. It seems to me that the editor is offended by the dance music culture in general, and has published this article as a way to lash out at it... but i would venture to say that more women disagree with it than they do agree. The world may not be 100% on board with equality just yet... (look at the racism, sexist remarks, and discrimination in the world) ... but in OUR world of dance... there are no inferior souls. overall we are one and strong. The fact that we are all coming together to fight you on this article shows the power we have. @lightsallnight #followthelights 

rpjoaquin
rpjoaquin

@lightsallnight I'll have to disagree with the article. In the words of a WOMAN: "if it makes you happy, it can't be that bad."

I think the negative is when someone tries to shame another's happiness. Re: twerking, I think twerking is a gift for everyone. At one point, larger women were idealized (i.e., Venus de Villendorf). Recent trends have shifted focus on today's fashion models. Twerking has made a "negative" view on larger people, sexualized, and brings us back to the notion that "big girls need lovin too".

In the end, it's about recognizing happiness is different for each person, and raining on someone's parade isn't peace, love, unity, nor respect: PLUR. #followthelights

huynh770
huynh770

i disagree, dressing a certain way has nothing to do with success or respect. both qualities are earned through hard work and results of your actions.  Bottom line is don't judge others by their appearance. Judge them by their character and contribution to the world.  EDM festivals celebrate a different genre of music.  Its nice to have something new and different.  Its the creativity of different sounds and technology that makes this special.    #followthelights @lightsallnight

cutiexchris
cutiexchris

I disagree. we choose what we want to wear and we dont care and shouldnt care what other people think! If you feel comfortable in that outfit then go for it! This scene has shown us that we can be accepted for being who we are and that includes the way we dress! EDM is always seen negatively when it really isnt. PLUR all the way. #followthelights @lightsallnight

john.phillippi
john.phillippi

First things first i respect your opinon alas i dispise the disrespectfull nature of your comments as someone whom attends these events i would expect you to have a more open mind to your surroundings and the women to whom you speak about.   Your one sided depiction of the edm world witch is so quick to judge and condeem pepole YOU DONT KNOW!!  make's me sick.  The thought you might even belive what you have said however truely breaks my heart.  these broken pieces are so  small they could be passed threw the eye of a sowing needle. While from your maliced perspective some truth peeks out Who are you to judge these girls Just because you can doesnt mean you should   Just cause you have the power of literature at your disposal you some how feel empowerd or obligated to bash the world i love so, The world you Love so that we all love.  This community of pepole, to me Are some of the most beautifull, Respectfull, open minded, Kind hearted, tollerable pepole on the face of this planet i can only end this with HOPE,   HOPE that One day everyone can experince an 1/4 of the Love that i have received from edm.  Hope that you will open your mind a little more an a little more so that on day we can all give in to the urge to transcend our selfconciousness Threw the art of P.L.U.R.R,  E.D.M,  and Dance.

golph48
golph48

Author

While I agree with your argument and the point that I know you're trying to get across, the fact is you are an example of a typical girl in "the scene." You do realize every girl in the rave community talks like this. The difference is in how you deal with it. I can tell that you come from a family of very empowered women who were taught to respect yourselves and present yourself in a way that you'd like to be viewed by others.

But the basic perspective which you're not hitting on is that you are viewing it as a negative thing, even though some artists, figures, and other catalysts are branding it as that because it's the "hip" thing to do, it's a place for young generations to go and explore a different side of the world that one doesn't normally get to see, for good reason. Simply because it will never be a generally accepted staple in a society like ours today. 

Therefore, people view this as a place to escape their everyday routine's and explore what else is out there. Unfortunately, there are people who have noticed this and exploited it for profit and it has gotten a bit out of hand.

Again, I agree with the point you're trying to get across, just not how you're going about doing it. The one thing I disagree with you on is the "Where Mah Girls At?" section. You're coming off as sexist yourself and a bit pretentious with what you're saying, and that is really what put this article over the edge for me. There may only be only 5 females on the DJ Mag Top 100, but the fact is, if you say that ravers are 50/50, male/female, then that means your "raver girls" are voting on them as well. Unless you can present results from the poll that say that more women voted for female djs than males, you can't even begin proving anything. Also, the only other "big" DJs that would have been voted on who are females would have been probably DJ Bambi and Rebecca and Fiona. So before you go knocking the electronic music listeners of the world with your opinions, it might help if you could present a few examples of who some of the most influential people in electronic music would be. Your argument has no credibility with out at least a few examples of who even YOU think are influential females are.

Overall, it was a bit of an annoying read. I'm a guy, in a fraternity, love going to raves, and probably know more about electronic music than a decent number of people. Yet, I don't happen to be a beefed-up, frat douche, I don't wear "where's molly" shit, and I respect everyone I meet at events. And you know what? It does piss me off sometimes, but does that mean I'm going to go write an article titled, "Why it Sucks to be a Man Who Raves"? You're fighting a losing battle.

kurohoshi
kurohoshi

INB4 all of the "ravers" come out complaining about PLUR... let's be honest - I'm all for the PLUR but this article is for the most part true. There are simply a bunch of women whoring themselves out and then getting upset when they get "negative" attention (some may think it's positive). It's pretty hypocritical. 

In any case.. my point in this comment is that I DO NOT agree with the "Where Mah Girls At" section. The DJ Mag Top 100 is already bogus enough - anyone who has any sort of brain knows this. First of all, the only reason that people are on this list is that they are either extremely good at what they do and have made a huge reputation for themselves after many many years of hard work and dedication and who have a huge fan base (e.g. Armin), and then there are others on this list who simply spend tons of money to promote themselves while the polls are open to try to get votes. Regardless, it's really stupid that the author would state that the voters are 'douches' for not voting for females. Have you even looked at the statistics or done ANY research? There are CLEARLY less female DJs (most of the ones who actually matter are just now coming into the view) than male DJs - hence why there are less females on the list!

To make matters worse, you are complaining that women DJs have to sell sex just to get any attention? Well, that clearly explains why NERVO is on the list - considering one of them pushes buttons and the other one does nothing but dance around like an idiot while doing exactly what you are complaining about (champagne facials). I'm speaking from experience of seeing them live out of boredom of no one else playing at the time. Regardless, this is also completely bogus and goes back to my point of THERE SIMPLY ARE NOT AS MANY FEMALE DJS. This is why they are so sparse on that list!

Please name a female DJ that "should be on the list" (in your opinion) that isn't who has either a) built a huge fan base  and deserves to be voted for or b) spent craploads of money to try to get on the bogus list to begin with. If you had done this in your article, I would have respected your opinion much more.

Due to the fact that there is absolutely no research done on any of this, I find this whole article completely ridiculous.

#followthelights @lightsallnight 


analytics10101
analytics10101

Where is the real P.L.U.R.? This has been taken out of context to spark people's attention. Pay no attention.

courtsyboo
courtsyboo

As I read through all this.. I feel you have missed a very big point of the EDM//Rave world. One of the most wonderful things I have found out about this unique little world is that you are totally and completely free to express yourself. Just because someone has chose to wear little clothing, I will never judge them for that I actually applaud them for doing so. Now I may admit you get a few of the people that don't understand the world completely and come for all the wrong reasons, but for a girl they know the risk of what they are doing when they go out. With that being said though is what we wear to raves vs. what we wear going out to bars, guys will look at what they want. I feel our world is a free judgment zone and that anyone should be able to do what they want in it, free of judgement of others from our plur/edm/rave world. We get enough of that from the real world. I feel like you may not totally understand and embrace what this music is supposed to stand for. And as for saying that we don't have enough famous girl DJs out there and the ones that we do have are only there because they sold sex appeal... I would like you to point out one point where krewella or nervo have ever sold their sex appeal, I'm huge fans of both. They mostly do their shows or videos in tank tops and leggings they barely even show any skin.. As I respect your opinion, I do believe you are totally wrong.. #followthelights @lightsallnight  

medinasmedia
medinasmedia

While I respect your opinion and absolutely adore your writing style, I hate that this piece is titled "Why It Sucks to Be a Woman Who Raves" because, quite frankly, I feel the complete opposite. 

I think it so awesome to be a female raver. Yes, there are times when girls are hardly wearing clothes, but if you look around, a majority of the guys are half naked as well. There are times when I wear skimpy outfits. I go to the festivals and shows to release myself from the real world. Sometimes its nice to hang up my preppy J.Crew outfit and let loose in a frilly bikini. 

Hell yeah, I'm proud of my hard earned body so what's wrong with showing it off? And if you're not as tight as the next Victoria Secret model but are still wearing a loin cloth, props to you for being comfortable enough in your own skin and wearing the outfit you feel best in! Plus, to be honest, the attention and look I get are nice when I'm so busy with school and work that I don't waste my free time on guys or dates. Its a little reminder that I'm not a heinous troll but rather an ambitious, hardworking cute girl trying to make a name and empire for herself. 

How many times has being a raving woman allowed you to weasel through the crowd and get to the front? How many times has a boy noticed you're too small to see and offered to put you on his shoulders? I don't have the facts or figures but I'm sure it happens a lottttt more to girls than dudes. 

Haven't you been able to skip someone in the port-o-potty line cause some guy sees you struggling to hold it in and realizes he can just take a tree? Or when you're really thirsty, even the d00shiest dude will give a random girl as much water as she wants while denying the next guy who asks. 

Being a girl at a rave allows you to get super creative with your costumes, if you really want to. It allows you to douse yourself in flowers and sparkles and rhinestones, embracing your inner fairy. Even without the glitter, a fully clothed girl at a rave can get VIP access and meet artists backstage much easier than most guys can.

While women in the raving world certainly face downsides--as they do in any environment--the perks of being a pretty plurmaid definitely outweigh the negatives. Girls can get away with so much more than guys can. Women actually have the power in this male dominated atmosphere if they know how to work it, and I don't mean in the way you're putting down.

If a girl can look good while shaking her a$$, enjoying herself, knowing her music and exploring new stuff all while getting the best views, deals, and experiences she possibly can, then dagnabbit, I want to be that girl

Shoutout @LightsAllNight // @lightsallnight // #lightsallnight

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jedkeller
jedkeller

LOL. This is such bias garbage. My girlfriend as well as many of my other friends who are women go to these "rave" events. They all dress modestly, none of them are objectified, and we all respect each other. We don't typically listen to the obviously sexist artists like borgore but they are few and far between. a song like face down ass up isn't sexist, it's just following sex culture like every other music genre. not sure why you single out EDM, when objectifying women is without a doubt more prevalent in pop culture surrounding fashion and rap music.

joeyrustenhaven
joeyrustenhaven

Along with all of the other comments listed below, I also agree that the FEMALE who wrote this article is a little over the top. Yes I do agree with respecting women as women and that they aren't just pieces of meat; but on the other hand as someone who has been in the EDM scene for over 7 years and have gone to many festivals, individual artist's shows, and after hours clubs I feel like this lady only got her conclusive evidence for this article from going to a raunchy club or just decided to look up "YOUTUBE" videos! The EDM scene is WAY more than just a bunch of "hoochies half naked with stickers on their tits!" Its about PEACE, LOVE, UNITY, RESPECT, AND RESPONSIBILITY (P.L.U.R.R)! As and "American Citizen" every male and FEMALE has the right to SELF expression, and thats what the scene is about, SELF EXPRESSION! So for her to use the word "peer pressure" is ridiculous! Every single human being has a brain and self consciousness; therefore able to make their own decisions, like what they want to wear, what "designer drugs" they want to take, OR EVEN IF THEY WANT TO BE APART OF THE EDM SCENE! No one puts a gun to these girls head and tells them to be "slutty", its all apart of self choice. You meet so many more unique, loving, and talented people at festivals and shows, there is so much SELF expression its unreal, and simply it's an eye/mind opening, life changing experience! Now on the other hand, people such as the lady who wrote this article and many others who have a NEGATIVE OUTSIDERS point of view only look at the NEGATIVES such as: dehydration, drug use, "slutty dancing" ext.. But as someone who sincerely has a love and passion not only for the scene but for the MUSIC! Thats what it's all about, the music; and the rest just comes with it. I do blame the fact that the scene has now become so mainstream and a lot of younger "kids" are now getting involved which draws more public attention; therefore more CRITICISM from outsiders. In conclusion and on behalf of everyone who truly has love and passion for the scene, this article comes from one persons bi-est opinion thats all, but unfortunately it puts a bad name on the scene on which I just so happen to love. 

thank you…..@lightsallnight, #followthelights

jaquelinesantoyo
jaquelinesantoyo

☮ ☮ ☮ First off, I want to start off by saying I hope this is taken as a constructive opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect the fact that you are sharing yours, but I am honestly appalled that such negativity is being associated with EDM and the wonderful people who are a part of it. A lot of what you said is proven to be true, but the hostility and judgement you have displayed is awfully "un-PLUR" coming from someone who has attended raves before. Either you've been around the wrong people, or you don't comprehend what raves are about. It is about MUSIC. It is about being COMFORTABLE with who you are and what you BELIEVE in without being judged. It is about leaving all the bullshit outside, and entering a magical, PEACEFUL, LOVING, and ACCEPTING atmosphere. What's it to you if a girl decides to walk around naked? Is it in any way, shape, or form affecting you? Have you thought about the fact that the majority of EDM artists are MEN. Maybe that's why the amount of women on these lists is so short. Or maybe the artist with a bigger fan base, a great social media presence, and better sounding music just SO happens to be a dude. As a female, I believe we should empower each other because I do agree that we are degraded at times. Raves are a place where all this should be left behind. If you can't leave your negativity, judgement, and hostility before going to a rave, maybe it's not your scene. I hope you make peace with whatever made you have such a negative opinion towards the EDM community and the choices they make. ☮ ☮ ☮ @LightsAllNight #FollowTheLights

evoh
evoh

Honestly In my opinion the raver scene is always seen in the worst view. Reading this article I am not surprised with another misconception of the "woman raver scene". I can only say that from my point of view I never feel degraded of my own sex when I attend. I wear what I want and what is comfortable for me to dance in, I don't feel judged by anyone we are all just having a great time together! Half naked men and women everywhere, everyday wear, costumes even people in furry ones too! No one judges we are there for a great time. It's up to you on how you want to make your experience It is your own issue to feel to judge on the outer view of things.

@LightsAllnight #FollowTheLights

Dynamitejack
Dynamitejack

1.) No body forces anyone to do what they don't want to do. If you get peer pressured into doing something against your will, then I'm sorry to say... you're kinda dumb.

2.)  "What happened to modesty, humility and leaving something to the imagination?" Umm... I don't know why don't you ask our puritan forefathers (and mothers) why they led us astray. Seriously though, I'm with you, I miss the days when women were targeted by swimsuit police, and weren't allowed to vote... :-/

3.) Where the hell do you get the notion that people in the EDM scene can't think for themselves? Your over simplifications are nauseating. You are just as bad as the people you are attempting to write about. Have you ever heard the saying: "IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE"???

Shouts to @Lightsallnight for bringing this waste of internet space to my attention. #FollowtheLights, Find me on Twitter @ItsDynamiteJack #TexasEDMFamily


casielane
casielane

@heath.john.ward nail on the head dude. "half of the people at the parties now don't even like the music" 


To me, the article doesn't refer to the fact that these are commercialized frat parties these days and that it's not a matter of the underlying sociological and psychological implications of sexism but just glorified trash. 


I think those are the key issues that need to be addressed in an open format like the dallas observer instead of a bitch sess about how men make women act this way. 

RaySun
RaySun

@drgomez I think that's a cop out - that the problem is that the behavior is expected.  She is blaming the fact that this behavior is expected on the women who behave this way.  I know what she's talking about....an environment where women are objectified and women choose to be objectified is one in which I am very uncomfortable.  But I find that people's standards for what is acceptable behavior for a woman vary greatly, many would call my own dress and behavior unacceptable, which is absurd for I am a free woman.  It is best to do what is right for us and not impose our own idea of acceptable sexual behavior on other people.

HipsterDumpster
HipsterDumpster

@drewkrn @lightsallnight  this is the only sub culture where the drugs are more important than the music, that should tell you something.

terminologybreakdown
terminologybreakdown

@drewkrn @lightsallnight 


Drew, I have to say here the dubstep/drum and bass crowd mostly just wears hoodies and jeans (it is Seattle after all, so hoodies make sense weather wise).  It's only at the more house or trance type music with younger folks that I typically see the unusual behavior of girls dressing provocatively. 

derekbarbee2011
derekbarbee2011

@drewkrn @lightsallnight YES, I have been to many festivals over my time in college and have seen the gambit of costumes worn my females AND MALES in various states of nudity. Festivals like this allow people to express themselves without the fear that their reputation will be injured by what they feel is their freedom of expression. Compared to festivals in Seattle that allow you to walk around naked as long as your painted, dance festivals are entirely about the ability to choose what you feel is acceptable for yourself (barring illegal activity). Furthermore, I take great offense to your suggestion that the female artists listed in this article reached where they are today because they are outwardly suggestive and promiscuous. I have been following Krewella's discography since Play Hard in 2011 when no one knew about them, not because the dynamic sister duo and Rainman (let us please not forget Rainman) had an inherently sexual appeal (they do), but because I felt after hearing their music, their style had the greatest chance of progressing the genre of dubstep as a whole. They have EARNED the distinction of being one of the most contributing groups in the genre through hard work and effort, something that should be respected no matter what career field you are in. I have never disrespected an individual at a dance festival in my life, nor have I been disrespected by one. Though I have seen people disregard the golden rules before, the crowd has always been the correcting entity. At dance festivals, their is rarely ever a bystander effect. Peace Love Unity AND Respect. Keep dancing everyone.

P.S. women aren't the only ones that get hit with champagne, using you tube as an example of rave culture is like using a tour agent brochure as an view into a foreign nation's style of life, its offers an incomplete and often ethnocentric view of the culture. #LAN2012 #3LAU #followthelights

terminologybreakdown
terminologybreakdown

@kurohoshi @lightsallnight 


M.I.A. and Peaches for two.  M.I.A. typically sings about politically charged world views and Peaches is actually a former music teacher and purposefully uses gender-bending as a point. against misogyny on both sides of the aisle. 

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