Bluesmen Smokin' Joe Kubek and Bnois King Are Soulmates
Courtesy of Delta Groove Face off: Smokin' Joe Kubek (left) and Bnois King
It's a strange commentary on the state of the music business that Dallas blues artists Smokin' Joe Kubek and Bnois King will play more gigs in Turkey this year than Texas.That's the blues for you. Musical partners for more than 20 years, they have played in all 50 states, dozens of countries and released 15 fine albums on multiple labels.
They are best known as a two-guitar band that somehow manages to meld blues, rock, jazz and even a little soul into their unique sound. However, nothing they've done before compares with their new acoustic album, Close to the Bone, which will be released on Delta Groove Records on Tuesday. We asked them a bit about their long careers and unplugging their amps.
How do you feel about the state of the blues world?
Smokin' Joe Kubek: To me, the blues is the most important music there is. Everything else sprung from that. Through the last 23 years on the road, I've watched a lot of things fizzle. In the summer of '96, our royalty checks went from about $70 to over $4,000. One day I woke up and it was different. I don't know what happened, but it started going down before 9/11. Radio on the right end of the dial used to take a chance on spinning your stuff. Now it's impossible, except for stations like KNON or little one-hour specialty shows. That goes back to Clear Channel and other big companies buying up stations. Now everything is programmed by computers with music they think will attract the listeners to help them sell ads. When I drive around town, if I listen to commercial radio, I usually get where I'm going and never hear anything but commercials. Radio took a turn, then the record labels got on board with it. They all want a formula with a cookie-cutter sound. There will never be another Sgt. Pepper's, or another White Album, or another Jimi Hendrix Experience. If the great blues artists from the '50s were coming up today, people like Howlin' Wolf or Muddy Waters wouldn't have a chance.
Bnois King: Seems like the further away we go from here, the more chances we have of working. We can't play here and that's sad. Texas is a huge state, but we have to get completely out of state to find work. There is no Dallas blues festival. We go to a little town called Fort Dodge, Iowa. They have a blues festival and a blues society. Omaha, Nebraska, has a huge blues society. They are crazy about us in Lincoln, Nebraska. Here, if it ain't Saturday night or New Year's Eve, no one is going to show up. We play in Nebraska on a Wednesday evening and the place is packed. Once we get out of the country, even more people come out. It ain't right. This is American music. We're Texas musicians.
Why do you think that is?
Kubek: There's a lot of changes in the law and that might be a part of it. It's hard to have a nightclub or music venue. Back in the day you didn't have to pay to park or get your blood tested after every drink.
King: Still, you can go other places and people show up, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday night. You can't do that in Dallas, and never could! It's not something new here.
Kubek: People ask us all the time about the music scene in Texas. I don't know what to tell them. They think it must really be slammin'. To me it's all about playin' for burgers and beer. You can't really make a living here. Austin is the same. It has this great rep, but you play for pocket change. A lot of the scene here is about open jams. If that's the way it is, that's the way it is. We'll just hit the road.
How did you first start doing the acoustic duo?
Kubek: The first time we did the acoustic duo was on one of Wanda King's shows at Deep Ellum Blues. She asked us to do a 20-minute segment. We decided to do it acoustic and it was really weird. We had no idea how it would go over. It was nerve-wracking. That 20 minutes seemed like about three hours.
King: What really made us realize we had something was later at a KNON blues benefit. All the other musicians were hollering. Then last year we did a blues cruise and everybody went nuts. The word got out and all the other musicians came down to sit in. Elvin Bishop, Eddy Clearwater, John Nemeth, Jimmy Thackery, Mike Morgan and a bunch of others stopped what they were doing on the boat, and came down to sit in with us. The room was so packed people were sitting on the floor. That's when we knew this was real. People really did like this stuff. We started taking it serious after that.