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Last Night: Black Rebel Motorcycle Club at Club Dada

Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 03:29:29 PM

Black Rebel Motorcycle Club Acoustic Show
Club Dada
August 1, 2008

Better Than: One show for the price of two.

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Black Rebel Motorcycle Club goes acoustic. (Daniel Rodrigue)

We warned you that the Black Rebel Motorcycle Club show at Club Dada would be a big deal. When BRMC played House of Blues a year ago, 1,300 fans showed up. And, last May, despite heavy competition from that Thom Yorke fellow, the band’s performance at the Granada drew a packed house.

So, Dada, with its max-capacity of maybe 400, had to know that some disappointed BRMC fans were gonna, literally, be left out in the street. And by 6 p.m. the line outside the club had started forming.

It was around this time that Jimmy Huckle and four friends drove past the ever-growing line.

“Just from looking at the line I knew there was no way the club could hold that many people,” Huckle said. “I got tickets the day they went on sale, and I was like there’s no way that’s the line for BRMC.”

Huckle parked his car, and they walked to the club. “I asked this guy, ‘Is this seriously the line for BRMC?’ and he said, ‘Yeah, don’t you want to shoot yourself in the face?’ We got in line and it just kept filling in behind us. And then the fire marshal showed up.”

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The line to get in. (Daniel Rodrigue)

The first rumor--which spread like a fever--was that the fire marshals were going to close the club down. That went on for about an hour.

Then, word came down that BRMC would play two sets--one for as many people in line as could fit into the club, and another for the others forced to wait outside.

After waiting in line for an hour and a half, Huckle’s group of friends was the last to get in the door for the first set. But, once inside, he said, “There was nowhere to go, because it was so packed.”

As doorman, John "Beard" Brewer started to shut the door, a guy was holding out his ticket and his ID.

“Sorry, that’s it!” Beard said, blinking at the kid through his Ray-Ban Wayfarers.

“Are you serious?” the kid asked.

Beard was. And more than a hundred fans were stuck outside in the heat. Some even resorted to fanning themselves with copies of the Observer, pulled from a nearby stand/rack. The crowd outside quickly grew restless and irritable.

BRMC's Peter Hayes opened the all-acoustic set with “Grind My Bones” and played a handful of songs--and, outside, to appease the people stuck in line, BRMC's Robert Levon Been performed a sidewalk set. After three songs, Been played Bob Dylan’s “Visions of Johanna.” And though he admittedly flubbed one part of the nearly eight minute song, it was the best performance of the night.

Been apologized to the crowd, snuck back inside and joined Hayes onstage for “Sympathetic Noose” another of the standout performances of the night. The fans were onboard from the first song, but when the two of them played “Rifles” and “Ain’t No Easy Way” the crowd lit up.

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Been busks for the crowd. (Daniel Rodrigue)

Stuck outside, Amy Fagan said she drove 300 miles from Houston for the show.

Understandably hot, thirsty and miffed, she quickly voiced her complaints: “We bought tickets the second they went on sale. We love BRMC. They’re awesome. Robert came out and played for us, and it was awesome. Black Rebel Motorcycle Club is awesome, but this sucks.”

“They did a good job of getting a good band in here,” Collin Dougherty said while also awaiting the second set. Dougherty moved to Deep Ellum three years ago, and he said he’d never seen a crowd like this turn out for a show. “Obviously, some things happen and didn’t work out right, and it could’ve been handled in a better way. But, it’s great to see this many people coming down here.”

Back inside, Hayes sang, “Never thought I'd see her go away…” and, as he reached the chorus of “Love Burns,” the crowd pressed in closer to the stage. “...Now she's gone love burns inside me.”

Been thanked the crowd, and then the house lights lit up, and Dada staff and security tried to herd 400 people out the back of the club. The transition to the second set wasn’t exactly well-rganized. People were still coming in-and-out, but most complied.

After BRMC took the stage again, Been said, “Everyone here that waited to see us, thank you so much, for putting up with the -- with the standing in line. We’re gonna try to make it up as best we can. But, um…” He stops. Pauses, and grinning slyly, said, “This one’s ‘Screaming Gun’.”

What he doesn’t tell the crowd is how tired he is. “I’d like to curl up into a ball and go to sleep,” he had just told the Dada staff, gathered by the cigarette vending machine.

For the most part the two sets were the same, but for those who stayed until 2:12 a.m., the second set was undeniably a different, more intimate affair. And when the two of them played “Long Black Veil” they made The Band’s and Nick Cave’s version pale in comparison. They were both visibly tired, and Been played many of the songs slumped over his Gibson with his eyes closed-- embracing the guitar like a lover.

At about 2 a.m., Been said, “We were supposed to play one show, and now we’ve played two and a half.”

But, even as some of the house lights were coming up, BRMC started singing, “Spread you love like a fever…”

Critic's Notebook
Personal Bias:
Um, BRMC is one of the best American folk/blues/garage rock bands out there.

Random Note: Explaining the band’s reason for playing the all-acoustic show, Grant Gelt, the band’s tour manager, said, “The idea came up because we knew it would be the third time to play Dallas in a year, so the band thought let’s go in and give them something different -- something we haven’t given them before. And that’s where the idea of the acoustic show came up.” Been, meanwhile, told the crowd that BRMC had been doing playing the same shows for a year-and-a-half, and that “We wanted to give you something different. But, really, the reason we wanted to do this is because we were bored.”

By The Way: All the fans who declared the band dead with the departure of Nick Jago were horribly mistaken. And, though it was burnin’ hot inside Dada, Been never took off his black leather jacket. --Daniel Rodrigue

Category: Show Reviews

49 Comments:

hammertimez says:

warmed over jesus and mary chain

the last letter of the alphabet says:

why did you leave me off of Rodriguez?

Daniel Rodrigue says:

Look here Mr. Last Letter of the Alphabet, Mr. Z, I'm sick and tired of you trying to tack your crooked little self onto my last name uninvited.

You show up on my bills. And my doctor always scribbles you on my prescriptions.

Ever since that nurse filled out my name correctly on my birth certificate, you've been nosing around. Always trying to start something, well, get lost....And, while we're at it, tell your buddy Mr. S to stay the hell away too!

Chris says:

Club DaDa will never get another big name to come play there after last night's debacle. What a joke! Fortunately for us, and the club, the band decided to bail them out with an impressive two sets.
My friends and I spent more than five hours in line last night finally entering the club at 12:20 for a supposed 12:30 start. The only good thing from last night, besides getting to see Robert struggle through a three song set which was drowned out by some lame cover band from the Bone's upstairs patio, was that we got to see BMRC up and personal sitting on the stage. It was cerainly worth the wait, although I'll never go back to Club DaDa again. What a pathetic venue, certainly unsuited to handle such a task as hosting BMRC. The management was only concerned with making as much money as they possibly could last night at the cost of losing patrons who have spent their time and money in building up their "legendary" local status. Unfortunately, DaDa was a survivor of Deep Ellum's change of guard. The staff bellowed out "if you don't want to wait anymore, then you'll have to try and get your money back from FrontGate Tickets"..."we're not giving refunds here." This after they waited until 9:45 to tell us that "only 190 more people are getting in, the rest of you will have to wait until 12:30 to see a second show." Mind you, that most of us standing in line were fans who had purchase their tickets long in advance, not the walk ups who had gotten in line to buy tickets that DaDa had no right to sell in the first place...staff members kept telling disgruntled patrons "it's not our fault, blame the Fire Marshall." No, we blame DaDa's staff and inept management who made the decision to lose longtime customers for one night's windfall. I would hope they receive some kind of penalty from FrontGate Tickets, the city, something...as whoever was making the decisions last night should be given their walking papers. Thanks Club Dada for failing us once again.

john says:

Dada Rocks! Thanks for a great show last night.

anon says:

Last time I saw BRMC was @ House of Blues. Even though it was way too crowded, last nights show blew the HOB show away. Dada is much better suited for the band.

BRMC fan/recent Dada skeptic says:

OK Club Dada, so now you know how many people the Fire Marshall will allow in... so this won't happen again, RIGHT? Hasn't this club been around for like 20 years? Are they just now getting this stuff figured out? Was this done just for reputation, as in, "Extra, extra! Read all about it: Dada gets sold out twice in one night!" If so, shame on you. I know Deep Ellum is desperate for revitalization, but let's all keep our heads. I guess we'd all just like to know if FrontGate came up with that number of tickets to sell, or if Club Dada gave them that number.

Frankly, seeing Been play on the sidewalk to 25 people was a once-in-a-lifetime event, and watching BRMC play on stage in front of 250 people was incredible. That praise goes to the band alone, and not the club or ticketing agent. I agree with the above commenter, you guys dropped the ball and BRMC took up the slack, and did it with grace.

Oh, but Dada, I'll give you this... this sound was absolutely amazing Friday night. And the atmosphere was perfect for this event.

By the way, Daniel Rodrigue, thanks for becoming just one of a thousand kids stepping in front of me to take picture while I'm enjoying myself. The impromptu sidewalk show was a deluge of camera flashes and iPhone scrolling. Don't people WATCH a show anymore, or do they just record it to watch later? I guess you're excused, since you're a journalist. Um... right?

Politics and Ineptitude says:

First of all, I'm very curious why the fire marshall showed up at Club Dada at eight o'clock on a Saturday night. It's pretty safe to assume that they aren't BRMC fans. Clearly, somebody "tipped them off" that a large show was happening there that night. They didn't just randomly happen by. Club Dada never has capacity issues. Now, all of the sudden, the fire marshall shows up well before peak hours on a Saturday night? Please. That was no accident.

Now who would have the motivation to disrupt the proceedings? Answer: another local booker or promoter who felt jilted that the band chose to play Club Dada instead of their own venue. Trust me, the fire marshall was clued in by somebody else - and it wasn't because they were worried about overcrowding at Club Dada. Whoever it was clearly doesn't have the overall health or well being of our music community at heart. My gut tells me it was somebody from AEG, the Granada or House of Blues. I hope I'm wrong.

Next, Club Dada obviously dropped the ball in the execution of this show. If they were going to sell general admission tickets that they couldn't honor at the door, then they didn't need to have Front Gate Tickets in the equation.

If you know that the venue holds 400 people, you advertise the fact that the show is first come, first serve. As people gather in line, you walk down the sidewalk and issue numbered wristbands. When you get to 400, you say, "Sorry, the show is sold out.' Then the people who couldn't get in can leave and go do something else with their evening.

What purpose does Front Gate Tickets serve anyway? Buying a ticket is supposed to be a guarantee that you get to see the show. For the doorman to stand at the door and say, "Sorry, blame Front Gate Tickets!" is bullshit. You're supposed to know the capacity of the building. By allowing a third party to administrate tickets, you're just adding four or five bucks to the price of ticket for no reason at all.

Unless there is assigned seating, you don't need a broker to sell tickets. All you're doing by pre-selling tickets is allowing scalpers to buy blocks of tickets and allowing them to gouge the fans. Pointless. Tickets brokers serve no good purpose at all.

Finally, here's where Dada really shot itself in the foot: as most bookers and promoters know, the money at the door usually goes to pay the band and cover production expenses. The venue rarely sees a profit for itself by admission proceedings, it makes its money on alcohol and merch.

By fucking up the proceedings on Friday night, the peak hour of potential alcohol sales (between 11:30 and 12:30) was spent ushering customers out the back door so a much smaller batch of people could come in the front.

Midnight on a Saturday night for a sold out show and the room is empty. A lot of these people arrived at Dada around 8 o'clock, couldn't get in, and then went and drank at other clubs. During that peak hour of potential sales, Dada had five hundred people within 50 feet of their bar and they weren't selling drinks to any of them.

There were very simple solutions for the issues at hand. The way these issues were dealt with was nothing less than embarrassing. They were very lucky that the band was so accommodating. A lot of other bands would have said, "You know what? These people have no idea how to put on a show," and then bailed.

This show was supposed to put Dada back on the map. Instead, it was a giant clusterfuck. If that happened because a rival booker or promoter instigated a visit by the fire marshall, then the problems are a lot deeper than just the production ineptitude at the club.


Mikey says:

I think everyone at Dada did a great job handling the situation with the fire marshall. Yeah, it sucked alot of people had to wait outside, and luckily I was smart enough to get there early enough where I got in when they opened the doors. Think about what would happened if the fire marshall shut down the club and everyone of the 400+ people....some of whom cam as far as Nashville to see the show...would of been forced to leave and fight with front gate tickets to get there refund.

It wasn't perfect, but it was the biggest and best show Club Dada ever had, and one of the best performances I have ever seen. BRMC may have bailed out Dada on this one by agreeing to do two sets but any band who cares about there fans would have done the same.

Thanks to Ben, Valerie, and the rest of the Dada staff who took what could have been and complete disaster and possible riot and made what turned out to be two great sets. Besides, the people outside got the see Robert Been play on the fricking sidewalk. That alone will be one of the most historic moments in Deep Ellum.

Chris says:

Ya, thanks to Ben, Valerie, and the rest of the DaDa staff...give me a break. Granted...Been playing outside on the sidewalk was a great moment, particularly for the Deep Ellum scene which is trying to pull through on life support, but to praise DaDa for a situation they created themselves is ignorant. It was a poor decision by management and let's leave us at that. They only hurt their chances of booking a big name in the future by their actions on Friday night. Very disappointing!

jeff says:

The show was GREAT until Peter decided to stand up and kick the crap out of a small girl in the audience who was taking pictures. Great band or not, he lost all respect from me at that point.

Ben Tapia says:

As great as this show was I also felt there were bad decisions made on my part. According to BRMC management the band has had 3 or 4 shows that were "shut down" for the same reason. I know for a fact that we've had at least 3 nights w/ 500 people there since I've been involved and never have we had an issue like on Friday. I to find it odd that DFD shows up on this date of all dates and threatens to stop the show. The capacity of the venue is actually 300 and we sold 400 period. Also no one came to the door and paid to get inside until the 2nd show and after all ticket holders were let in first. Every venue in town can and does exceed their capacity with in reason. From what I understand, back in "the day" there would be 700 plus at Dada all the time.

It was funny because the band showed up at 3pm and through out the day they'd mention the decline of Deep Ellum and mentioned that they were happy to be playing in Ellum. When we all decided to do 2 shows it was so we wouldn't run the risk of being shut down. Yes we were ticketed and yes our sales numbers were no where we had hoped and believe it or not I could care less about the sales number. What we at Dada cared about most was bring this kick ass band to "Deep Ellum" and that's the bottom line. I do apologize for any problems, but this will not slow us down. There was more good than bad that came out of this show and in spite of what anyone thinks or says we're busting our ass' over there to try and bring some good quality acts back to the area. Other than Rob playing songs in the street, the best thing about the show to me was the fact that it directed people around other Deep Ellum venues!

I do want to thank everyone from the bottom of my heart for working with us and supporting the venue. The understanding shown by 90% of the crowd is what will keep it going!

penney says:

I have been hanging out in Deep Ellum and at Dada since the late 1980's. I am a die hard music fan, but live shows are so expensive now that I really have to pick and choose what shows I can afford to go to. It would have been nice to know up front that I was only paying for half an evening's worth of music. When Peter Hayes announced this at the start of the first set, I was shocked, and quite frankly really disappointed in Dada. Myself and friends were enjoying the music and drinks, but being forced to leave even though I bought a ticket the day they went on sale put on damper on things. I hope Dada has learned something from this experience and will show a little respect for their loyal customers by avoiding debacles like this in the future.

Sure Jeff, go ahead and feel sorry for the girl who got her camera kicked and not the people who were forced to continue waiting outside for the 12:30 set.
Go ahead and ignore the fact that once inside the venue, this person was pissing off people left and right who paid to see the show and did not expect the price of admission to include someone's darting arm obstructing their view.
Attendees of the 2nd set waited for this longer than anyone else and I personally sweat gallons to see BRMC. So to have someone bobbing, weaving and pushing past me after what I endured to claim a spot at the foot of the stage was ridiculous.
Bottom line: Peter stood up for me and everyone else in the front row when he kicked that camera. There were other photographers there who obviously knew more about being courteous to other showgoers than she did.
She'd do well to consider this a lesson learned.

Terribly Sympathetic says:

He also broke her wrist, but I'm sure that's a price that the pitiful one would be happy to have her pay if it saves them a few moments inconvenience.

Sweated In The Streets says:

I was literally ten people from the door when the doorman announced they were not letting anyone else in. Among people that were diehard fans, even some who'd driven from Austin, Oklahoma, Tenessee, we were all stuck with tickets that were not going to be honored or refunded. It literally felt like we were robbed, lied to, and forced to stand for hours in the heat completely uninformed on the situation. Had it been any other band, half the people would have been gone hours ago. Club Dada has nothing to be proud about in this. Had the BRMC decided to perform at the local Starbucks it still would have drawn a crowd of hundreds.

When Robert came out and played for us it was worth the $20 tickets right there. Trying to play over the cover band on the Bone's roof next door with leather jacket sweating in the hot night... for a prominant musician this must have been a humbling experience... did he ask for it? Hell no. I luckily got to see the second show which I hear was much more intimate than the first. They were so tired and not amused but did an amazing job. I've seen many performances already of theirs and acoustically they are something else!

I'm embarassed on behalf of Deep Ellum. Having frequented so many shows at Trees, Gypsy, Dada, the Darkside Lounge... I've never seen a venue shoot itself in the foot with the fans / band like they did last night. I had a great time but only because of the circumstances and, like the poster above said, the band bailed out the bar.
As for the fire marshal, I wouldn't be surprised if Dada's staff tipped them off just to use an excuse of some sort of law and order. Of course it's not like anyone was getting too rowdy, we were all stone sober!

Anyways, just my two cents.

Sweating in the streets says:

I was literally ten people from the door when the doorman announced they were not letting anyone else in. Among people that were diehard fans, even some who'd driven from Austin, Oklahoma, Tenessee, we were all stuck with tickets that were not going to be honored or refunded. It literally felt like we were robbed, lied to, and forced to stand for hours in the heat completely uninformed on the situation. Had it been any other band, half the people would have been gone hours ago. Club Dada has nothing to be proud about in this. Had the BRMC decided to perform at the local Starbucks it still would have drawn a crowd of hundreds.

When Robert came out and played for us it was worth the $20 tickets right there. Trying to play over the cover band on the Bone's roof next door with leather jacket sweating in the hot night... for a prominant musician this must have been a humbling experience... did he ask for it? Hell no. I luckily got to see the second show which I hear was much more intimate than the first. They were so tired and not amused but did an amazing job. I've seen many performances already of theirs and acoustically they are something else!

I'm embarassed on behalf of Deep Ellum. Having frequented so many shows at Trees, Gypsy, Dada, the Darkside Lounge... I've never seen a venue shoot itself in the foot with the fans / band like they did last night. I had a great time but only because of the circumstances and, like the poster above said, the band bailed out the bar.
As for the fire marshal, I wouldn't be surprised if Dada's staff tipped them off just to use an excuse of some sort of law and order. Of course it's not like anyone was getting too rowdy, we were all stone sober!

Anyways, just my two cents.

Patron says:

I'm a big fan of Dada and have always enjoyed myself there. It's a great place to take in the breadth and width of North Texas' local music. But it is a terrible, terrible venue for a band like BRMC, one that can draw a large crowd. It's a good sized place, but really only half of the floorspace is any good for watching the stage. The entrance on a crowded night is a bottle neck. And bar access quickly closes off. Bringing in a band like BRMC is exciting for Deep Ellum and Club Dada, but Ben overreached Friday night. Saturday night, on the other hand, was great and really played to Dada's strengths. The previous weekend's Deep Culture was fun, and next weekend's fundraiser looks promising — even if Ben has inserted his pablum band, The Escort Service, into yet another line up. Hopefully, Friday was a lesson for Dada and Ben, not only on the mechanics of running a music venue, but one what Club Dada is and isn't.

ts says:

Concerning the kicking of said camera from hand: Was it me, or did there seem to be a massive level of douches at this show? I was able to catch both sets, and had to continually endure cameras being held up in front of me, and chatty kathys who were more interested in comparing their clothing than watching the show. I'll include a couple of the security guys chatting up at high volume back by the PA mixer as well. Didn't these people read the note at the front door concerning taking it out back if you want to talk at an acoustic show? Jesus, douchebags will be the end of us all....and that includes those who oversold this gig. I was glad to see BRMC suck it up and attempt to save the night, although you could tell they were running on fumes in the second set.

Jeff says:

From what I saw, there were about eight or nine people taking pictures the whole time, including the ones who shot the photos for this article. There was a big burly guy who kept pushing everyone out of the way to get his shot and kept holding his camera up in the air blocking everyone's view behind him. The girl was not pushing, blocking or doing anything rude or disrespectful, and he singled HER out to kick? Obviously, kicking a petite girl in a dress is an easier target than the big guy who was being rude. Regardless, bottom line, a man should NEVER, EVER hit a woman under any circumstances, whether you're a rock star or not. That's called Assault and Battery.

EP says:

Agreeing with Jeff on this one. I was very upset to hear this. Makes me lose a little respect for Peter Hayes if this really happened. I love this band but like they always say, never meet the people you adore, they turn out to be assholes.

concerned citizens for the elimination of douchebaggery says:

ts, if you have the same aversion to douches as I do, I would advise you to never attend a BRMC show again. Douche bag bands attract douches in droves. And if you don't think BRMC are douches, this woman kicking incident should give you pause to reflect on what exactly constitutes a douche bag.

I'm curious. Was there any apology, or offer to pay her medical bill? Because douche code specifically prohibits outwardly expressed remorse or regret.

Syd says:

They are great musicians, it was a great show regardless of the wait and the debacle on behalf of Club Dada. Yes, it was hot, but this is August in Texas. You want to feel cool? Go to the mall. Yes, a girl got her wrist broken, but what do you expect? The guys in the band are a bunch of rock star herion addicts. Just look at what happened to their drummer - He was too strung out to do this tour so they had to tour without him. So I say, you have to take the good with the bad, and it was overall a great show, and an experience none of us will ever have again.

Tyler says:

I can't say for sure, b/c I didn't see the girl who got kicked by Peter, but it may have been the one who came over by me and took the tambourine off the stage, after shoving a pregant friend of mine out of the way to take some pictures, and started playing it through a song and a half of their 12:45 set; very annoying.

Peter kept looking over at her and you could tell he was pissed, but like I said, it could have been another girl he kicked. Doesn't give him the right to do that, but you can certainly see how the frustration from all the night's annoyances with the Club, people talking, flash photography, and the impromptu tambourine player/photograhper mounted up. It was also nice of the club to throw on the house lights while they were still in the middle of their final song.

On another note, Ben mentioned in an earlier post that they didn't sell any tickets at the door...that's funny, because I saw Beard taking money and letting people in who didn't have tickets already.

Didn't seem like anything was very organized that evening and I'm sure this is just an oversight by our beloved Ben and not a lie to cover his own butt. Bottom line is the club dropped the ball and I doubt they'll ever have another chance like this. As you know it's a small community and the artists do talk.

Tambourine Girl says:

I've been to many of their older shows where there have been tambourines in the audience and thought with such an intimate setting it would be fine. I did not shove your friend, I believe I asked politely to reach past (However this blog is all about drama, so make it more dramatic shall we?). Peter gave me the 'look' and I realized it was a mistake and put it back after the song.
I guess that's a hard adjustment for a fan like me. It's like seeing a band at a coffee shop then when they're in a similar setting but have received so much fame, the rules are different. Sorry to anyone in the audience offended, seriously.

I was not the one kicked by Peter. However I very well could have been and it would have torn me up. I agree with EP above, sometimes you just shouldn't have close encounters with the bands you look up to. Circumstances beside (the late hour, the heat, the disrespectful audience), what he did (if it's true, I did not see it) was unlawful as well as... just wrong.

I realize concert courtesy, I've been to hundreds, but everyone seems to be making it like this was a funeral. This was still technically a rock show, acoustic or not. We're not mourning someone's death. It was a great show none the less. The end.

ts says:

CCFTEOD,
Maybe BRMC does attract douches, who knows, because they were there in droves with their camera phones and mouths working overtime. Peter is merely working from the playbook of his longtime mentor Anton Newcombe. Kicking people from onstage adds panache to the show, and are much more entertaining than some lame light-show. Wrists beware, because cameras are legitmate targets, and collateral damage may occur.

Tambourine Girl says:

TS,

I'll go along and throw out obscure references too, maybe you'll remember a show where Anton kicked a guy in the audience for insulting a female band member in which he said 'Do not ever talk to a lady like that'. Regardless that it seemed honorable in a way, he was taken to jail that night and stayed for a few days. Peter did not go to jail... and he kicked a girl merely for taking photos.
Hmm, panache is one word for it.

Anarchist says:

This shit was ridiculous. I have never seen the kind of incompetent mis-management at any club/venue. We stood outside for hours only to find out that we would not be allowed in. Had to work the next day so the late show was out of the question. Thanks shitty-ass club dada! Would have loved to have seen the show.

Oh, and had it been Brian Jonestown Massacre that was playing an acoutic set, I would have waited there until hell froze over. Saw them in Amsterdam (with Joel on tambo!) and it was easily the best show I've ever been to. Nice point too TGirl about what happenned to Anton. You'd think Pete (former BJM member himself) would have been arrested, but I guess he's "big-time" now so he can get away with shit like that.

whiner says:

You guys are such a bunch of whiney little bitches. You don't deserve deep ellum. You are all horribly misinformed on the workings of a club in relation to touring acts (they ...the band...picked the venue idiots..you can look online and get plenty of info not to mention pics and equipment lists and capacities being forwarded to the bands management and even more to the point, their guitar tech is a well known musician FROM Dallas and knows full well what they were coming in for. They wanted an "intimate" show. They could have easily done that show at Granada. Nobody had the wool pulled over their eyes here, band or owners).

All parties involved knew this was a big show in a small place. BRMC added the second show because some
"obviously disgruntled venue or person" (or you know...the COPS..who drive around deep ellum to keep the peace on the weekend and probably were a bit surprised to see several hundred people in front of Dada....duh) called the fire marshalls out and the band had no choice if they wanted the show to happen. You could easily get 500 people in Dada with the patio, but the City always makes capacity almost a third of reality. Look at the sign sometime, it will say Capacity is 85-110 or something ridiculously low. So maybe they allowed 200 max..maybe. The City doesn't mess around with this folks, it's serious business and ridiculously high fines, like more than most of you make in an entire year. Bunch of whiney sissy people. One word..SPOILED. Whiney whiners the lot of you. Do us all a favor, stay in Addison and kvetch over a cosmopolitan. Ohh sorry..mojitos..

I mean reaalllly..you seriously thought the show wouldn't be a madhouse at Club Dada? Really? I suppose some of you are too young to make it past "the Door" but seriously, you couldn't extrapolate in your pea brains that there were going to be ALOT of people at the show? It was going to be packed to the rafters?

Just blows me away the worthless discontent out there. You have no idea the amount of time and money and all around BS it takes to run a club. You just don't. You think it's all party and glamour all the time and everyone is magically rolling in the dough. Bet not one of you whiners on here tipped more than a quarter did ya? In all likelihood, Dada did not make a dime off that show when everything is tallied up. But you just keep on whining and complaining online..everything will be gone eventually with this wonderfully enlightened Dallas "fanthic". Then you can complain about how lame your town is "for real" and how shows at Dada used to be so cool..like the time we had to wait in line for 2 hours to see BRMC in the middle of July. phhhh..Get some punk ethic whiners..get over it. It was a cool experience for the band, the venue, and I would say 90 percent of the people who attended will have fond memories.

Mikey says:

Obviously no body remembers what really happened at the "legendary" Nirvana show at Trees in '91. The place was hot and packed. Kurt had drank a bottle of cough syrup prior to the show, the band went on late, Kurt got pissed at the sound from the monitors and smashed one to fucking hell. He then did a stage dive and busted open the security guys head with his guitar. The sdecurity guy then punched him and the show immediatly halted for over an hour. The band finally got on stage and finished what ended up being a "legendary" show.


I think the BRMC show could have been worse. And if by all means I think it will be remembered for years to come.

Mikey says:

Obviously no body remembers what really happened at the "legendary" Nirvana show at Trees in '91. The place was hot and packed. Kurt had drank a bottle of cough syrup prior to the show, the band went on late, Kurt got pissed at the sound from the monitors and smashed one to fucking hell. He then did a stage dive and busted open the security guys head with his guitar. The sdecurity guy then punched him and the show immediatly halted for over an hour. The band finally got on stage and finished what ended up being a "legendary" show.


I think the BRMC show could have been worse. And if by all means I think it will be remembered for years to come.

JustStopWhining says:

Good God, what a bunch of total assholes and babies. For those of you that were there you witnessed an event, something you will talk about for much longer than you would have if you would have just stood there at an acoustic (Yawn) show. Bands aren't forced to play a certain place, they had options, they wanted small, the got small. The old adage is play to standing room only. Trust me, they are happy with the outcome. All of you idiots bitching about, it was hot, blah, blah, blah. Was anyone at The Trees/Nirvana madhouse? 1000 people OUTSIDE after the inside was full of 1000+ people, with a 800 capacity? It was a disaster, for the most part. Anyone who was there wears it now like a badge of honor. So, if you're a fan of that band, BMRC(and I don't know why you would be)and you got to see them, in a different setting,than say "granada" or "McVenue-HOB" with weird stuff going on, take it for what it was, a memory. Now shut up about "who's" to blame. In fact, just shut up, and realize you are all talking about Deep Ellum as a place to see a band, and not as a place to avoid.

whiner says:

also should mention the Radiohead show at Trees, the AC was out and that was in late July early August. It was so hot and OVERSOLD inside that the bartenders were spraying people down with water from their drink dispensers. You couldn't move, because the fire marshalls never really came down there back then, so the place was completely oversold and would be considered "dangerous" these days. Trees were so GREEDY, grabbing all that money from people wanting access to the show. There was ONE bathroom for guys, one for the ladies and there were only 3 holes in either bathroom. Yeah..you had to stand in line for a LONG time to go piss. People were passing out from the heat, nobody who came down at their convenience (i.e. showing up at 10:30) got in, but hung around outside to listen instead. It was a miserable physical experience. Another badge of honor show for those that made it thru. The band was awesome. Legendary show. Thankfully, these shows live in our memories fondly instead of circulated on YouTube 30 min after the show via crappy cellphone coverage and critiqued to death in online forums. People walked away from that show (as the Nirvana show) bitching about the heat and the overcrowding, but the next day they just talked about how great the band was.

kudos to Dada for some visionary booking!

Helmet is coming too I believe..oh yeah..none of you were born to know who that is. Oh well.

walt says:

oh my God, one of the Dallas highschool clique just invoked the term 'punk ethic'.
Joey Ramone just called and said shut the f up.

whiner'sadumbass says:

Whiner, you are a fucking raving idiot, sir.

Wondering says:

There are different things circulating, including that there was no girl who was kicked and that it's a publicity stunt on behalf of club Dada to generate even more buzz. If this is the case that is truly shitty. I attended the early show and it was so mellow that I can't imagine someone like Pete doing that. The show was awesome and I wish people would stop bitching. If you had better things to do than stand in the heat, then you should have TYA out of there.

whiner says:

whiner'sadumbass...

"Whiner, you are a fucking raving idiot, sir."

ahh maybe so. But I bet my life is a hell of a lot more interesting than yours. :-) Really, that is all you had as a rebuttal? Thanks for making my point about how lame some of you are.

I feel bad for the fine folks at Dada, they truly care and all they get in feedback is a giant backstab. So.. Back to the bitching kiddos, it seems to be what you do best.

Stopthetrain Alice says:

Exactly, Radiohead at Trees. Here is a heads up so those of you disgusted by last weekends groovy show can go ahead and decide not to go to this, you know, too many people, not enough room for you. A certain singer songwriter who used to be in a band with Whiskey in it's name will be in town recording in Oct, at a certain local musicians studio, a very "pleasent" place, anyway he will be doing multiple nights...Or so it's been said. Maybe not though, you know how clubs are these days, this could be just made up like the "broken arm"...The Hold Steady was greatness last night. They should have played Dada.

Preston says:

Just got back with the fam from our amazing annual worldwide tour. Sorry I haven't had the chance to call or text you, but I had some huge deals that I needed to close. Be at the Ghost Bar all week to unwind from all of the drama. Well I figured I'd use this opportunity to tell you how Annabella, Preston III, and little Mackenzie faired on our four week tour of the globe. We, of course, started out in Paris, as we always do. We love it so. Had some great wine and met some special people. From Paris we hopped over to Dublin, as we decided that this year we'd do the "Capital Cities Tour". What amazing history, but I lost my blue tooth, so it put a damper on that leg of the trip. Had some Guiness and listened to the bagpipes. We probably stayed up til almost midnight all three days we were there man. Boy was I tired :). Been to London so many times, I can't even count, so we bypassed and went straight onto Oslo. Isn't that band Arcade Fire, you're always raving about, from there. I asked a few of the locals, but noone really seemed to know who I was speaking about. Good times there. Great weather. Took some cool pics with my new iPhone, that's right, I got the first one, before they even went on sale. Got a good deal with some extra features since I'm in the biz. We drove down to Copenhagen after that; what a breathtaking drive. It was a hop, skip, jump onto Amsterdam. Not very fun though. Did you know they have legal drug use and prostition there? Will we ever learn. How disgusting. We were appalled and cancelled our reservation at the Ritz Amsterdam. We continued onto Luxenbourg which was very nice. So much history, although I'm sure you know how disturbing it is. After a few days in Lux as we like to call it we drove down to Monaco; they have the best cheese! You've got to go, it's to die for. Of course we spent a night in Madrid before flying to the Vatican City! That's right! I said the VC. We chilled with the Pope and shared a glass of wine with his holiness. Made our first trip into Moscow after seeing the Pope. Good times. It was extremely interesting.

Hold on a second...phone's ringing...

Oh man, that was Trenton. We're so on for tonight at the Ghost Bar. Says it's going to be a big night. Figured we head over the West End for some grub, maybe uptown, and then get over their early. He's got a new loft he just bought that we have to check out. Text me later and I'll tell you about the rest of the trip. Should have some pictures for you to. Off to make some sales. Getting the new Mercedes today. Trading in the Beemer; it's so last month. Talk...

P

armbreaker says:

whiner,
I'm the guy who broke your arm at the Radiohead show at Trees when you wouldn't stop spewing that hard-edged punk ethic of yours. I thought you had learned your lesson, but some lessons require extra study. I'm sending Pete Hayes over to straighten you out post-haste.

JEFF says:

Armbreaker: You may have to subcontract the lesson to someone else. Pete Hayes only hits chicks.

armbreaker says:

Jeff,
Which is why I'm sending Pete. You obviously haven't seen whiner's Myspace page.

Richard says:

Deep Ellum is so much more interesting when chaos reigns supreme.

Would people still remember the Nirvana show at Trees in 1991 if it wasn't such a clusterfuck?

People will be talking about this show for years to come. That is a good thing.

Jen says:

If he would have done that to me, forget about calling the cops - my boyfriend and about eight other guys in the crowd would have jumped onstage and ripped his throat out, and he would have had more waiting for him outside the club. THAT'S what I would call a great show.

A-Ron says:

I was at the second show and yes Pete did kick that girl's camera, but I felt she deserved it because of her big ass camera she kept sticking in his face. I saw the whole thing and his roadies and crew kept having to hold up a sign that said "Please no flash photography" and people were still acting like dildos. . Great show, however Dada sucked. They shouldn't have done that to the band or the fans. Greedy bitches.

whiner says:

armbreaker

dude/chick..you have to admit I am HOT! Especially since I am 104 years old!

Yes I can also confirm a certain annoying girl had her camera kicked out of her hand after repeated pleas to STOP what she was doing. Not the smartest move on Petes part, but hey..everyone knows that rock stars aren't whiners. Ohh..right..nevermind. :-) I am sure she will be enhancing her financial well being soon enough. As far as I can tell, she received a bruised wrist and maybe a couple of jammed fingers. Like I said..there will be some money involved I am sure.

How everybody thinks that Dada were a bunch of greedy bitches is beyond me. Seriously I don't know why anybody tries to service a music community in this town. It's damn near hopeless. So there you go Dada, you suck because you tried to have a cool show. Suckers. Quit while you are ahead. Move to Ft. Worth. Dallas doesn't want you..at least until the next cool show.

Fair Warning says:

I can't tell you how many times I heard one of the security guards say, "No flash photography!" She just kept right on taking pictures with a flash. How hard can it be to change the setting?

I actually wish that that burly hulk of a bouncer would have got to her first.

C'mon A-Ron says:

A-Ron, what did Club Dada do to "the fans...Maaaan"? Let's see, they offered a place for this band to play an acoustic show in a better environment than say...The Granada for an acoustic show, and too many people showed up. If anyone is to blame it's the band for having more fans than you and your friends who probably have said numerous times about numerous bands "we got into those guys, before the poseurs did maaaan" So what? It was crowded, big deal. It will be crowded again and again, and that's better than it sitting almost empty on a Friday night as it would have been a year ago when some indier-than-thou band from Chicago would roll through, that maybe 12 people could care less about, oh i get it...that's when Dada wasn't being "greedy" when they would allow bands that couldn't fill a Strabucks to play Dada. Is that it? Those were probably the bands that you and your friends have said numerous times "let's go catch these guys, before the poseurs do maaaan".......YFR

B.R.M.C. Fan says:

Having seen all of the band's Dallas shows but 1, in my opinion the DaDa concert blew the other ones away.

The guys (and that tamborine lady on stage) were amazing. I don't understand what everyones so mad about. It looks like DaDa did the best they could all things considered, if the show was about to be canceled.

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