Gun Advocates Have Started Descending on Starbucks En Masse for Some Reason

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There's an interesting showdown that involves a volatile combination: gun advocates, upset moms and caffeine.

This past weekend the Sioux Falls Business Journal reported on a South Dakota Open Carry march that meandered along some quiet city streets before taking a break at a Starbucks, which was the pre-selected rendezvous point for the 60 or so gun-toting civilians.

Unlike in Texas, where we have a concealed handgun law, other states allow citizens to openly carry guns. To demonstrate that right, open-carry advocates have recently taken to the streets, guns out, to show they are responsible, peaceful gun owners.

Jesse Rierson with the South Dakota group told Peter Harriman of the Sioux Falls Business Journal that the march to Starbucks was "purposeful, since the corporation permits armed individuals in its stores in states where carrying firearms openly is legal."

Reirson went on to say that he checked with both Starbucks' national headquarters and the local manager before promoting the event, a claim the company refutes. Danny Cowan with Starbucks' global communication says they "never granted approval."

Asked if they would grant approval for future open carry events, Cowan punted: "I can't speak to that."

It's been a long-standing policy of the company to allow customers to carry guns where local laws permit them to do so. But having entire groups of up to 60 people meeting at the coffee shop could incite a new level of anxiety for bleary-eyed and hopped-up patrons alike.

Among the advocates sipping lattes was State Rep. Manny Steele (R-Sioux Falls), who had, according to the article, a "Glock 9 mm handgun in a holster over his right hip." Steele told the paper his participation was based on a gradual erosion of personal rights at the national level.

Other marchers at Starbucks carried semi-automatic rifles on slings. Some pushed strollers with babies.

The group Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America released a statement: "It is time for Starbucks to walk the talk as a company that claims to be committed to corporate responsibility, and to take the safety of our children and families as seriously as mothers do."

The moms group also reported that they are aware of another event at a Starbucks at 1st and Pike in Seattle today, July 31.

We asked Cowan if he knew of the meeting in Seattle. He again declined to comment and said as a company they follow state laws regarding guns.

We asked Cowan that if he did hypothetically know of an open carry advocate march or meeting taking place inside one of their stores, if Starbucks would be inclined to let other customers know about the cache of weapons that would soon arrive. Cowan said: "I can't speak to that."

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brian1127
brian1127

I live in Newtown CT and know two of the families who lost kids. It's a tragedy to see what can come from fear.

ElderAmbassador
ElderAmbassador

I had been given to understand that many Starbucks are NOT friendly to concealed carry patrons.  And now to find out that open carry patrons are welcome, at least in some jurisdictions, comes as a real surprise to me.  Maybe I will use my Starbucks gift card after all.

BTW, all "gun free" zones are considered "free fire" zones by the mentally deranged, almost always those on certain prescription drugs.  Removing the "gun free" designation on the Sandy Hook School would most likely have saved over 20 lives, children in particular.

msglaigaie
msglaigaie

I think quite a few of you are missing the point about Starbucks. Starbucks, when confronted by two distinct groups made the logical choice. Starbucks chose to follow the Law. This was an easy choice because it was and is the right choice. Follow the Law, what I concept.

I never went to Starbucks before all this noise. I admire the choice to follow the Law, not yield to a small group of vocal people. I will continue to shop there.

I am also a Legally Armed Citizen who Openly Carries a pistol, well holstered, on my hip at all times. There are a great deal of open carriers here in Washington State, and they tend to be very polite people. See Texas, Open Carry works here, you can do it too.


m1gunr
m1gunr

8 Open Carriers were in downtown Seattle today for over 2 hours. We visited 3 Starbucks and walked thru Pike Place Market and hung out for almost an hour, no one was hurt or arrested. We Open Carriers were standing as a group at the SW corner of 3rd & Pike when the "Mom's Group" showed up on the other corner. We must have made them afraid even though I waved at the and invited them over to us. They hustled across the street and down the block away from us.

DenverKitty
DenverKitty

Cowan should change his name to COWARD.  Don't you people know Starbucks supports TheButcherOfBenghaziObama?? 

DenverKitty
DenverKitty

Cowan should change his name to COWARD.  Don't you people know Starbucks supports TheButcherOfBenghaziObama?? 

heyrakes
heyrakes

"MOMS DEMAND" is a leftist cult society, if they weren't they they would allow for honest debate with facts. a cult will not debate and they think everybody , but them is wrong. they only go on their hopolophobia and their eleutherphobia (fear of freedom). there is standing for their argument , that is why they don't debate

Chubsy.Ubsy
Chubsy.Ubsy

Why don't the haters join up with that kook who wants a boycott on Starbucks because they support gay rights?  Haters and that anti LGBT kook have alot in common, both are whack jobs.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

Everyone take a break and go look at that slice of pizza on the Zoli's post.  Holy fuck, I think we can agree that looks delicious

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Hey, Lauren!

Did you think you'd kick off such a brouhaha with this article?

doofUSA
doofUSA

yes guns make me uncomfortable, but statistics show this is really a non issue with gun violence steadily decreasing since the 90s (despite all the high profile shootings).  really this is all just a diversionary tactic to distract from the real issues at hand.  unfortunately both sides, "gun nuts" and "bleeding heart liberals" are just playing into it 

bossmanham
bossmanham

Gun guys are big customers for starbucks. We love coffee and we love guns. Any idiotic move to start banning guns in their stores would be a mistake.

coolmcjazz
coolmcjazz

@heyrakes I'm happy to debate anyone on this issue. And the "facts" say that there are far more gun deaths in states that allow the sort of "open carry" that you are advocating. I'm thankful I live in a state where armed thugs are not allowed to roam the streets intimidating their neighbors and making babies cry. FInally, the irony of someone whose soul has clearly been claimed by the NRA claiming that other people are involved in "cults" is rich indeed.

bossmanham
bossmanham

@doofUSA I agree it's diversionary, but the libs have shown they will do whatever they can, use whatever event happens, use any lie that they can, to incrementally push their gun control agenda. So when they do it is up to us to speak out.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@bossmanham Yup.  Starbucks likes to dress up like a hippie because it makes the left feel good about them, but when it comes down to it, all they really love is money, and gun people spend more of it than the leftists do.

TheRevRob
TheRevRob

@coolmcjazz- You're on!  I accept that challenge!  But, before you stand up to "debate" your obvious and blatant fictions, you might want to "arm" yourself with the real facts found at http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.1/gun_facts_6_1_screen.pdf which prove that your assertion that "the 'facts' say that there are far more gun deaths in states that allow the sort of 'open carry' that you are advocating" is a pure fabrication on your part.

rshackleford1911
rshackleford1911

"And the "facts" say that there are far more gun deaths in states that allow the sort of "open carry" that you are advocating"

So fewer people die in Chicago per capita than in Montpelier Vermont where you can carry concealed or openly without a permit?

'Facts' are not dependent on your convoluted imagination, Facts are based in reality and reality says that word does not mean what you think it means.

heyrakes
heyrakes

@coolmcjazz @heyrakes sorry your made up stats do not fly. you are actually trying to say that states like VA, NC, KY, Oh. has more of a murder rate as NY , IL or CA.. Chicago alone has 10 to 25 murders evry week end. total  nonsense. not even if you throw out the unjustified homicides. you probably do live in a state where armed thugs are roaming the streets. you wouldn't know. crimanals do not respect the law. someone who is going to rob rape or murder don't care what the laws are

as for the cults. a cult is some one who will not debate nor will they allow any discussions of counter opinion. that is why the "MOMS" are a cult. as for the NRA they work for me, on a national level. i actually prefer local groups that work for freedom like GRNC, or VCDL. if i was in a cult, i would not be able to read any thing opposite like MOMs 

why are you afraid of freedom, how long have you been a eleutherophobe

2.4 million lives are saved every year. which one of these do want to kill

tara1721
tara1721

@bossmanham @doofUSA "I agree it's diversionary, but the cons have shown they will do whatever they can, use whatever event happens, use any lie that they can, to incrementally push their gun nut agenda. So when they do it is up to us to speak out." 

Now... see how ridiculous and divisive that sounds when only 2 words are changed?  

rshackleford1911
rshackleford1911

Non-Sequitir.  Nobody is using the gun to buy coffee.  I could just as ingorantly ask, why didn't Blacks in 1960 Mississippi just eat lunch at the Black diner but the point would be lost on you.

primi_timpano
primi_timpano topcommenter

So when I go to get coffee and one of these guns is pointed at me, can I shoot the owner?

coolmcjazz
coolmcjazz

@rshackleford1911 Comparing Chicago, a major metropolitan city with enormous poverty, with a town in Vermont? You can't be serious. Wait, are you actually serious? Sometimes I can't tell with you folks.

And if you want to talk about "facts," I'm happy to do that. Let's start with the "fact" that there are over 32,000 gun deaths in America every year. Which of the following is your reaction to that fact: A) Let's try to reduce that number or B) Shrug.

I'm guessing you're opting for B.

heyrakes
heyrakes

@rshackleford1911 you have to be kidding me. there were 203 gun deaths in VT last year. a lot of these were by LEO and justifiable homicides by citizens. there were 35 deaths and 110 wounded last weekend in Chicago, that was just the city.

asylumet
asylumet

@rshackleford1911 Up until the other day, the only shooting there has been in the 2nd largest city in VT in the past few years was when cops shot a black man for holding a cell phone. The shooting the other day was not really a shooting at all but a discharged firearm in city limits.

heyrakes
heyrakes

@coolmcjazz @heyrakes first there is no such thing as "assault weapons". please do not comment on things you know nothing about. second there has not been any 6 year old shot in the face or any where else. now that like a progressive you have ran out of logic but trying to insult me will not work since i know you don't know what you are talking about. be safe

squeezepla
squeezepla

@coolmcjazz

"I can say "why do six-year olds getting shot in the face with assault weapons make you so happy?" 

This come right out of the Gun Control Handbook use emotion when agenda not supported by facts.

coolmcjazz
coolmcjazz

@heyrakes If you say ridiculous things like "why are you afraid of freedom," I can say "why do six-year olds getting shot in the face with assault weapons make you so happy?" But I wouldn't say that.

heyrakes
heyrakes

@doofUSA @heyrakes  Thats fine AdoofUS. i don't care to win any awards and my assistant did not proof read it. but i stand by what i say. "MOMS" is a cult that only care about how much money they make and leave no way to debate them.

tara1721
tara1721

@bossmanham @tara1721 @doofUSA Just pointing out that your post is an example of the problem. We could all agree this is diversionary, but then you went and added a divisive sentence that is a prime example of whats wrong with this country. Rather than focus on what we have in common and work from there we focus on how we are different. 

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@tara1721 @bossmanham @doofUSA The problem is that the first one is demonstrably true.  At best the various gun control groups are so incompetent on arms technology and statistics that nothing they say can be trusted, or that they are willfully deceptive.

coolmcjazz
coolmcjazz

@rshackleford1911 You could ask that, and it would only further reinforce the perception that gun nutters are also the racist offspring of the rednecks who were blocking desegregation in the South throughout the 1950s and 60s. So, well done.

wodaji
wodaji

@primi_timpano exactly. a woman shot her friend while in starbucks because she forgot her gun was in her purse while she was digging around for change. 

primi_timpano
primi_timpano topcommenter

Pretty good with a rifle, piss poor with a pistol. I do not like the idea of strangers walking around crowded places with firearms. I do not like guns pointed at me, inadvertently or especially otherwise. Based on my small sample of people I know who own guns, very many of them have only rudimentary knowledge of gun safety. Based on hunting accidents, e.g. crossing fences, etc. this seems to be a fair assumption of the population in general.

The right to own hunting rifles does not seem to be in any jeopardy so these sad sack marches appear to be the ignorant trying to garner attention.

asylumet
asylumet

@primi_timpano If you go to get coffee and someone points a gun at you then yes you do have the right to shoot them.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

If they point the gun at you, yes. That's brandishing and assault with a deadly weapon.

If you point and shoot first, you are teh assaulter.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@primi_timpano 

As my mother used to say to me: You may, but I don't know if you can.

I guess it really depends on how good your aim is.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz @everlastingphelps There's plenty of reasonable people lurking.  I'll let them figure out who is using logic and who happens to have stumbled across a page listing logical fallacies this morning and decided that she would look oh so clever if she cut and pasted a few.

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